HomeMy WebLinkAbout12-18-1962 NAHMINUTE RECORD of City of Elsinore Planning Commission
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N_mEETimo. HELD_ on! THE 18th PAY oF._. December I962
WILMER i 'SEmlcc UNE STANDARD MINUTE RECORD ORM 99-SL
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A Regular meeting of the Elsinore Planning Commission was held on
the apoue date. The meeting was called to order at the hour of
7:30 pm with chairman Merrifield presiding.
Commissioners Ivlerrifield, Lucas, Mayhall, and Schulman ans wer
roll call.
Thereupon the Secretary read the minutes of the meeting held Dec.
4th and there being no errors or omissions were approved as read.
Report by Comm. Lucas on the Southern California Planning Congrees
meeting held at Disneyland Dec. 13th. The main subject being
zoned, Los Angeles County working on a uniform zoning code for
Los Angeles County and. all cities therein. Other counties would
probably follow the same action.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Lucus seconded by Comm. Mayhall
that as New Years Day fell on the first Tuesday the Commission
meeting be held on Jan. 7th, second meeting Jan. 15th, and a
study meeting be held Jan. 29th, which motion upon vote was carried.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Lucas seconded by Comm. Mayhall
that secretary Oxper_se in the amount of $12.50 be allowed, 3 meetings
0 $2.50 and 5 hours research on Commission minutes t $1100 per hour
which motion upon vote was carried.
General discussion on Trailer Park ordinance, sewers for East part
of City also on further annexation.
Commissioner Lucus having canvased the section northwest of the
present City limits had outlined a section for the next annexation,
it taking in most of sections 32 and 33.
Whereupon it was moved by Commissioner Lucas, seconded by Commissione
Mayhall that thermteting be adjourned, which motion upon vote was
carried.
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MINUTE RECORD OF City of Elsinore Planning Commission
HELD OIL THE 4th
December
WILMER * "$EaVICCI . STANDARD MINUTE RECORD FORM 99-SL
A regular meeting of the Elsinore Planning Commission was held on
the above date. The meeting called to orde r at the hour of 7:30
p.m, with chairman Merrifield presiding.
Commissioner: Merrifield, Lucas, and Schulman answer roll call,
Commissioner Mayhall absent.
Thereupon the Secretary read the minutes of the meeting held Nov.
20th and there b$ing no errors or omissions were approved as read.
Lettereread from Jay V. Guler, City Administrator, regarding
Commission action on request of H. C. Hensley for variance for
building house on under size lot in Plain View tract.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Schulman seonded by Comm. Lucas that
j after reading Administrators letter the Commission recommend to gh e
C rman City Council that Ordinance # 349 be complied with on request of
Mr. Hensley, which motion upon vote was carried.
Letter read from Connelly Realty Co. asking if a Trailer Park could
be located at Northwest corner of Lakeshore and Spring Street.
Lakeview Hotel property. No action on this. Secretary instructed
to answer.
Secretary Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Lucus seconded by Comm. Schulman
that after due consideration of other applications who do not have
the time or qualifications that the Commission recomend that Mayor
Bartlett reconsider the appointment of "ir. Ray Loback, which motion
j upon vote was carried.
Secretary Kuenzli reported that by making a research of Commission
minutes back as far as Nov. 1953 when ordinance #349 was adopted
he found that seven rezoning had been approved by Commission and
City Council.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Lucus seconded by Comm. Schulman
that Commission recommend to the City Council that these rezoning
be brought up toodate. The commission having been informed that
no amendments had been made to original ordinance #349 covering
these rezonings, a copy of descriptions of said rezoning attached,
which motion upon vote was carried.
The commission wishes to thank the City Council for there co-
operation on there action on poles at corner of Alain & Ghaham.
The Commission upon consideration feel that in view of expense
that the poles for decoration and future banner use be placed
on East G raham and poles be tied on top with metal arch.
The Commission again would like to request of a copy of the Webb
report, also copies of the building, plumbing and electric codes
for there use.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Schulman seconded by Comm. Lucus
that the meeting be adjourned, which motion upon vote was carried.
MINUTE RECORD OF City of Elsinore Planning Commission
MEETING HELD ON THE
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WILMER + 5.Mv'ce V. STANDARD MINUTE .rcor.o I.R. 99-SL
A regular meeting ofethe Elsinore Planning Commission was held on
the above (late. The meeting was called to order at the hour of
7:30 pm. wit h chairman Merrifield presiding.
Commissioners Merrifield, Lucas, Mayhall and Schulman answer roll
call.
Commisioner Ed Neff absent.
Thereupon the Secretary read the minutes of the meeting held Nov.
6th and were approved as corrected. Correction being Gregory Reality
Co. to tray D. R. CraAe for survey for street near City dump and not
the City.
Lettereread from H. C. Hensley acting for Brock Construction Co.
asking for a variance to build a 2 bedroom house, 888 isq. e ft, on
i~ undersize lot 45 x 110 ft, in Elsinore Valley, Plain View Tract.
chairman
j Whereupon it was moved by Commision Lucas seconded by Commission
Schulman that the Commission recomend to the City Council that the
ii request of Mr. H. C. Hensley be granted, which motion upon vote
was carried.
Secretary Letter read from Ivirs. S. Miller asking for variance to build a
multiple dwelling on East Peck St. No lot or block number given,
so no action by Commission. Secretary instructed to write for
legal discription.
Discussion on the rezoning of all property south of Railroad Ave.
A suggestion being made to have a C-1 zone on both sides of Railroad
Avenue and Mission Trail. No action to be taken by Commission until
a statement was received from City Attorney as to disposition of
Railroad by Santa Fe Railway Co.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Lucas seconded by Comm. Mayhall
that the Commission recommend to the City Council the appointment
of Ray Loback to replace Ed Neff said office vacand by default,
which motion upon vot e was carried.
)[hereupon it was moved by Comm. Mayhall seconded by Comm. Lucnas
that in view of existing hazardous condition regarding dangling
wires, weak poles, insufficient support for Christmas decorations,
banners etc, at the four corners of Main and Craham the Commission
recommends to the City Council that new poles be installed of proper
size and wires inclosed in condusts, which motion upon vote was
carrbd.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Mayhall seconded by Comm. Schulman
that the Commission employ secretary Paul Kuenzli to made a researchi
of all rezonings since adoption of Ordinance # 349 according to
sections 65360-65362 State Planning Code. Finding of said research
to be yresented to City Council for bringing Ordinance 349 up to date
which motion upon vote was carried.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Lucas that the meeting be adjourned
which motion upon vote was carried.
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A regular meeting of the Elsinore Manning Commission was held on
the above date.The meeting was called to order at the hour of 7:30 P.M.9
with chairman Merrifield.
' Commissioners; Merrifield,Mayhall and Schulman answer roll call,
Commissioners hucus and Neff absent.'
Thereupon chairman Merrifield read the minutes of the meeting held
October 16th, ( Seely Kuenzli 46bsent ) and there being no errors or
omissions were approved as read.!
Survey of roadway near City dump as requested by Gregory Realty Co.
brough up and after hearing from a representative from the Gregory Realty ,
Co.and Mayor Bartlett the following motion was made'
Whereupon it was moiled by Comm.Mayhall second by Comm. Merrifield
that the Commission recomend to the City Council that the request og the
Gregory Realty Co.be granted also that bill of D.R.Crane for survey be
allowed,which motion upon vote was carried:°7-en.t-11.11_, P L~
Whereupon it was moved bg Co=iMayhall second by Comm. Schulman
that Seely expense for four meetings in the amount of $1040 be
allowed,which motion upon vote was carried.'
Whereupon it was moved by Camm.Mayhall second by Comm.Schulman
that the Commission recomend to the City Council that Chaney and Matieh'
{ streets be taken care of in accordance with sub-division Ordinance
# 366,which motion upon vote was carried:'
Discussion was held regarding lend-lease type of arrangement of
using back yards of stores for parking with city doing the cleaning,
no action taken on this matter,'
The Commission reeomended that the alley in rear of Telephone offic
be graded so as water would not out ruts in center of alley,`
Whereupon it was moved by Comm:. Schulman second by Comm.Mayhall
that_the meeting be adjourned,which motion upon vote was carried:
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MINUTE RECORD OF Elsinore Planning Commission -
MEETING HELD ON THE 16th. DAY OF October 19 62
YALE FORM 1 972 ~ _ wSTANDARD MINUTE RECORD
A reular meeting of the Elsinore Planning Commission was held on
' the above date.The meeting was called to order at the hour of 7:30
with chairman Merrifield presiding'
Commissioners; Merrifield.lucus and Schulman answer roll call,
Commissioners Mayhall and Neff abseht:'
Thereupon the secly read the minutes of the meeting held Oet.2nd.
and were approved as corrected
Thereupon the Secly read a letter from a Mr Kriwanch he asking for
map and information regarding trailer courts near the Lake.This turned
over to Chamber of Commerce for reply.
Survey by D.Crane of a proposed road to property north of city dump
requested by Gregory Realty Co, presented to Commission by DAiiCrane,
no action taken on this. -
The Commission request a copy of the 1959 Webb report for there
files if available
Whereupon it was movdtd by Comm. huous second by Comm.Sehulman
that the Commission reeomend to the City Council that the parking law
on Graham Ave?east of main street be inforced,which motion upon vote
was carried.?
~Z Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Schulman second by Comm. Lueus
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to have Chany Street out through to Cr311ier 6veoswhieh motion upon
vote was carried.
whereupon it was moved by Comm. Luaus second by Comm.Schulman that
the Commission reeomend to,the City Council that legal proceedings for
second annexation to the COty of Elsinore be started,legal discription
attached.which motion upon vote was carried;
General discussion on zoneing ordinanee,-41ey in block 52 Smiths
addition regarding the closeing of same and Elsinore Lake View Estates
subdivisions
whereupon it was moved by Comm.Lucus second by Comm.Schulman.
that the meeting be adjourned,which motion upon vote was carried:
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MINUTE RECORD OF
MEETING HELD ON THE
Elsinore Planning Commission
2nd. DAY OF October 19 62
A regular meeting of the Elsinore Planning Commission was held on the;
above date.The meeting was called to order at the hour of 7:30 P.Y.with
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chairman Merrifield presiding*
Commissioners;Nerrifield,Lueus,Mayhall and Schulman answer roll call,'
Commissioner Neff absent.
Thereupon the Seely read the minutes of the meeting held Sept.l8th.
and there being no errors or omissions were approved as read1
Letters read;Chamber of Commerce asking members of the Coma. to
attend Division of Highways meeting in San Bernardino Oct.4tho° to listen:
to discussion on proposed Scenic Highways in Riverside & San Bernardinn
CountiessAlso to make recommendations Letter from Comm.Neff saying he
was in Los Angeles and could not attend the Oct.32nci.meeiing,was in favor
of Resolution #1 as he had read said Resolution and asked that his
letter be considered as a yes voteAsked for a thirty day leave of
absence.+
Whereupon it was moved by Comm Xayhall second by Comm., Lucus that the
Commission recommend to the city Council that the request of Comm.Neff
be granted,which motion upon vote was carried.?
A Mr Wiselman was present and showed uncompleted plans of his
proposed Senior Citizens home to be located at the NW.'corner of Riley
and Sumner streets,and asked for a varaince on setback.His request
tabled for study by Commission.
J.,i.;W.;Joosteen and Engineer D:!R.`Crane were present and showed map
plan of the proposed Elsinore Lake View Estates Subdivision,loeated
east of Highway 71 in new annexation
Whereupon it was moved by Comm.Lucus second by Comm.Schulman that
Resolution No-2 be drawn up,a Resolution approveing the master plan
submittednby Elsinore Lake View Estates,said plan drawn by D.R.'Crane,
Co-Owner J:M .W.Joosteen., Dated 5-3-62 and legal discription as follows
S.W.4 Sec.10 T.6 S R 4 W.S.B.° B&M-158 acres,which motion was carried by
the following vote;-
Commissioner.. ........Lucus. ....Yes
rt rr .......mayhall..........Yes
rr rr ...........Schulman...... ..Yes
r, iT ........Merrifield '.Yes
r~ rr Neff .............Absent
Noes..:..None
Whereupon it was moved by Comm,,Mayhall second by Comm. Schulman that
the Commission recommend to the City Council that Subdibvider of
Elsinore Lake View Estates be permitted to develop the S.~W4 of the
S.WW-.4 of B & M."as per planssubmitted, City
Ordinance No.366 and the following provisions;-A.11 roads shall not be
less than 60 feet in width:'. All curvesshall have a minimun center line
radius of 180 feet; Street jogs of less than 200 feet shall not be
permitted; The minimun depth of all lots shall be 100 feet; Side
lines of lots shall be at approximately right angles of street lines
except where terrian makes such design impossible;
SHEET TWO
MINUTE RECORD OF Elsinore Planning Commission
MEETING HELD ON THE 2ndi DAY OF October 1962
STANDARD MINUTE RECOR Ei'
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Set back lines shall be not less than 20 feet.except for garage,but
setback of at least five feet must be maintained in all cases; Adequate
flood control measures shall be taken in accordance with and under the
supervision of the City Engineer; Sanitary facilities as set forth by
the City Engineer shall be as follows: Three compartment septic tank w'
with not less than 150 feet of drainage; Drainage line shall shall not ;
be less then three feet deep and packed in gravejj inch per foot slope
i. unless otherwise advised by engineer; Streets shall be surfaced with .
a layer of compacted decomposed granite Which motion upon vote was Carrie
L.E B rnham 119 North Lowell Strmequested a variance so as to build
a storage room in rear of his house.Yill build said storage room so as
to conform with house and garagei
Thereupon it was moved by Comm.Xayhall second by Comm.Schulman that
the Commission recommend to the City Council that the request of Mr.i
L;E-`Burnham be granted which motion upon vote was carried:
Letter read from Becky Yarass.she asking for a re-zoneing of the
lotsouth of he business known as Becky's Health Resort located at
115 North Lowell Stier property being for sale new owners might want
to build more bungalows on vacant lot.'Was advised if and when sold
have new owners request the changer
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Thereupon it was moved by Commlucus second by Comm.Mayhall that
due to the existing confusion prior to this date regarding the pr6pposed' :
changes of the Commissions Resolution No1,a Resolution of the Planning;
Commission of the City of Elsinore recommending to the City Council
of the City of Elsinore certain` proposals for the rehabilitation of
water mains,rehabilitation of sewer syetem and installation of
mineral water system that a revote on said resolution be taken said
revote was carried as follows;-
,:LCommissioner.......... Lucusr..°.......Yes
,r TM . .......i~M+ayhall......a.Yes
n TM ;......`.'.Merrifield.... Yes
s...i..Absent, Does none
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Commissioner Neff Stateing,in his letter that he having read
resolution No~;kl would vote yeah
Commissioner Merrifield appointed as a committee of one to meet
with the City Administrater and or the City Council to explain the
reason for a revote on resolution No
Whereupon it was moved by Comm!Schulman second by Comm.gayhall
that the meeting be adjourned,which motion upon vote was carried:
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MINUTE RECORD OF
Elsinore Planning Commission
18th. DAY OF September 19 62
MEETING HELD ON THE
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i A regular meeting of the Elsinore Planning Commission was held on thel
above date.The meeting was called to order at the hour of 7:30 P..3,
with chairman Merrifield presiding:
f Commissioners;Merrifield,yueus and Schulman answered roll call,
Commissioners,Neff and Mayhall absent.
Thereupon the Seely read the minutes of Sept.4th.which were approved
as added to.The following date being added. Oat wl,23rd.119 61
Thereupon the Seely read the CitybCoun.cil minutes of Septe17th.And
Resolution No.-1. Resolution of the Planning Commission of the City of
s' Elsinore Recommending to the City Council of the City of Elsinore
certain proposals for the Rehabilitation of water mains,ehabilitation
of sewer system and-installation of mineral water system
Whereupon it was moved by Comm chulman second by Comm.,Merrifield
that the Commission adopt the above said resolution and authorize the
chainman and sec'y to sign same and present to City Council for
adoption,which motion was carried by the following vote:
Commissioner L,ucus.?....... .NO
ti r+ ..............Schulman .......Yes
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.Vjyrrifield.. Yes
Neff and Mayhall Absent:,
Whereupon it was moved by Commhucus second by Comm.Schulman that
'I the Planning Commission would recommend that the City of Elsinore seek
other scources of sweet water,whieh motion upon vote was carried:
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Whereupon. it was moved by Comm; Zueus second by Comm:ehulman that
the Commission would recommend change of proposed mineral water line
route from Sulphur Ste -,to Limited St:which motion was carried by
following vote°i
Commissioner Zucus...`.......'Yes
r+ tf ,,.,..,.....Schulman .Yes
n " ..,?.Merrifi-eld.....o
rr ..........,.Neff and bxayhall Absent.b
Mr Karl Huber was present and asked for a permit to open a second
hand store in the 1100 block on West Graham Ave'+This refered to Bldg:2nspI
City Engineer D.,I rane explained the proposed sewer system renewals
i. and additions to said system:
Mr Nickli was present and asked regarding curbs and sirewalks on
Chany St:where he had a home Was informed the Commission was working on
this:
Whereupon it was moved by Comm Schulman second by Comm.Lucus that
the meeting be adjourn.ed,which motion upon vote was carried;;
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MINUTE RECORD OF Elsinore Planning Commission
MEETING HELD ON THE 4•' DAY OF September 1962
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A regular meeting of the Elsinore Planning Commission was heldEREC~R
On
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he meeting was called to order at the hour of 7•30 P OM, with
chairman Merrifield presiding:?
Commissioners; Merrifield,Lucus and Schulman answered roll call,
Commissioners Neff and Mayhall absent:`
Thereupon the seely read the minutes of the meetings of August 7th,;
and August 21st.iThe meeting of August 21st being _a public hearing,
there being no errors or omissions were approved as read:
Thereupon the Seely read parts of the City Council minutes which
was of interest to the Commission.'
The request of Mr Gregory for a road aeeross City property near
City dump discussed, whereupon it was moved by Comm.+ Luous second by
Comm.Schulman that this be tabled for further study and taken up with
City Engineer D:R Crane for advise which motion upon vote was carried.`
Letter from Riverside County Flood control and water conservation
District read.They suggesting the City enter into an agreement with
them to utilize the services of District personal in reviewing flood
hazard problems on proposed subdivisions in the City:
Whereupon it was moved by Comm.: Lueus second by Comm.Schulman that
the Commission recomend to the City Council that this proposal be
rejected,which motion upon vote was carried-
The Commission suggests to the City Council that the x'7000.00
transfered from Capital fund to the water fund for new pipe lines be
replaced when new water line bond issue is adopted and passed,''.
Letter read from Riverside County Planning Commission with a map
attached showing the proposed master plane of County roads near the
City of Elsinore. Seely instructed to write the Commission advising
them, that the Elinore Planning Commission approve 4he County Master
P lan;
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Schulman second by Comm.hucus that
the Commission reeomend to the City Council that an Ordinance be
adopted by the City so that when the building Ilepartment comdem a
building it can be removed by the City after sixty days if not done
by the owner,whieh motion upon vote was carriefll
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Lucus second by Comm Sehulman
that seety expense for three meetings ,Aug.1th.Avg:21st and Sept 4th:
at $2.50-and typewriter repair in the amount of 8'iW total$16.140
be allowed,whieh motion ypon vote was carried:;
MINUTE RECORD OF Sheet two September 4,1962
MEETING HELD ON THE DAY OF 19
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Whereupon it was moved by Comma Luc-as second by Comma Schulman
that the Commission authorize the City Attorney to draw up a
resolution recomending to the City Council that the following proposed,
parts of the master plan,proposals numbers one,'two and three be
approvedAll being separate items (individual projects) not bearing on!
each other. Individually set up,if-approved by voters and financed by
individual revenue bonds:5et date of election for vote approval of
project and method of fin.aneing.+
No.1- Rehabilitation of water mains.!
A-To be done in accordance to Webb report dated February,
1959.Report on file in City Hall:!
B-All Major repairs to be done in accordance with Webb report.!
dated February,1959
C-Total project to be financed by Rovenue Bonds
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No.12- Rehabilitation of Sewer system:!
A- To be done in accordance with the Curry engineering company's
report on the Sewer plant rehabilitation: Dated
B- Useing reports and maps of City Engineer,D;IUACrane on City
sewer system:,
a- Financed by R venue Bonds and Federal assistance`:
No.3- Install mineral water system as outlined by map proposal A
adopted by the Commission. July 3rd.1962.1
A- Pipe line size 6" transits or larger as recomended by
installing engineer:
B_ to be financed by Revenue Bonds:?
Which motion was carried by the following vote,-
Commissioner....'............. Lucus........... Yes
it Tr .Schulman..,..... .Yes
rr n Merrifield Yes
No's ..........'..None
Commissioners Neff and Mayhall.............. Absent
Whereupon it was moved by Comm:,Lueus second by Comiri: chulman that
the meeting be adjourned,which motion upon vote was carried:?
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Seely.,:
The second public hearing on proposals 1-Domestic water: 2 Sewer
Sewer project: 3,Mineral Water: 4-Recreational. Development and regular
,meeting were held on the above date. The meeting was called to order at'
the hour. of 7:c30 PM..with chairman. Merrifield presiding..
Commis sioner;,Merrifield,LucusIKayhall,Neff and Schulman. answer
roll. call;,
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Whereupon it was moved by Comm.Mayhall second by Comm.Neff that
reading of the minutes be tabled till the next regular meeting,which
motion upon vote was carried.,
Commissioner Merrifield explained the rules and proceedure of the
public hearing and those present were given the opportunIty to speak.
for or against the proposals as advertized.
Domestic water,) new pipe lines, All present that.spoke were in favor
of, this proposal,,as no one spoke against,
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Sewer project,,New and larger lines where needed and a booster pump for
West end of City..All present in favor of this project„as no one spoke
against.._
Mineral water;:( loop line,.users paying cost of lines: and hookup
from.loop line to there property, On this project a good many present
spoke both for and against.. Most of those present. were against this as
they thought. the cost would be to much..Seemed that many were not
very well-informed on this and it was explained again to them by
chairman Merrifield and some of the other Commissioners..
Reereational.Development: (Swimming Pool Etc.) This project was
not. approved by those present -as most thought It_ should take i' more #
territory,such as State Park dishrict as it would be to costly for the
City tself.The ideaof a-sulphur wab.er pool seemed to be approved by
most,:
Mr: Bullot; was present and explained the three methods of financeing
these projects:,, General obligation bonds, 2,/3 vote to carry,.
Revenue•bonds,,pay off by income from users;, Assement bonds„District,
most costly
New Business;.Letter from, Alfred A.Gregory asking for easement for
road purposes accross east 20 ft.of,City owned property now used as
City dumpo.This matter tabled till next. meeting.
Letter from R.-3.Crews requesting permission to grade upper portion
of Mt.view Ave.enti:rely at his own expense
;Whereupon it ewas moved by Comn.Mayhall second by Comm.Lucus that
the Commission recomend to the City Council that the request of
Mr Crews be granted,which motion upon vote was carried..
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Whereupon it was moved by CommoMayhall second by Comm.. Schulman that
the, Commission recomend to the City Council. That an ordinance be
adopt.ed.,Said- ordinance to cause a. 650.00 bond to be put.up by people
or groups of. people who put. up tempa:ray signs, within the City,,such as
c.ampaign:signs,.notices etc.. If removed within,thiry days money to be
refunded other wise used to pay City employees to remove them.INow they
stay up till blown:dowrL and litter up the streets and vacant lots,
which motion. upon, vote was carried`.,
Whereupon-it was moved by Comm.Schulman.second by Comm.NIayhall that
the meeting be adj:ournedmwhich motion. upon: vote was carried:.
chairman `
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MINUTE RECORD OF Elsinore Planning Commission
MEETING HELD ON THE 7th. DAY OF August 19 62
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A regtftr meeting of the Elsino~~~ .
~ re Planning Commission was held fop the
above date, The meeting called. to order at the hour of 7:30 1:1
with chairman Merrifield. presiding.;
Commissioners;I'?errifield,Lucus and Schulman answer roll call,
Commissioners ;:ayhall and Leff absent:":
Thereupon the Seely read the minutes of the meeting held July 17th.''.
and there being no errors or omissions were approved. as read.~=thereupon
It was moved by Comm. Lucus second by Comm.Schulman that as all had
heard the tape record of the public hearing them minutes not be read,
which motion upon vote was carried.?
Letters read; from David Feiler he asking to extend his buildings
4 feet to the rear on lots 8 6 9 Blk.'17' This matter refered to Isir
Anderson B1dg.lnsp.1etter from J.^l. ,il.lard he granting sulphur t,aater.
Card from State Printing office giveing price of liobilpark_Aet,and
Auto Courts act:;
Thereupon it was moved by Cor2m. Lucus second by Com;n.Schulman that
these be purchased also a. copy of Amendments to Gov.`Code,.^rhich motion up
vote was carried.
Statement read from Lake Elsinore Valley Sun for publication of
public hearing notice,Kotion by Comm.Lucus second by Comm. Schulman that
the Commission recomend. said bill be paid,which motion was carriede
Councilman Yarbrough stated that he had met with the Park Board and
i that they had adopted a, resolution to pay part of the Expense for
cleaning Temescal ditch.Ditch to be at 1260 level and 1265 at the high
point -near'Citj yard.. This work would. start some time soon.,
WI-jereupon it was moved by Comm.` Lucus second by Comm.Schulmell that
R.A. Crzu'ie, City engineer be authorized to :provide the Commission with
figures as to size of Temescal ditch so as to take care of any overflow
from the lake,Also that iir Crane be asked to meet with the Commission at
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there next regular business meeting,which motion upon vote i,,as carried".
Whereupon it t;ras moved by Comm.lucus second by Comm.Schu-Iman that D.R.
Crane be authorized to draw up legal bounderies fun the proposed
annexation of parcels 1-2-4 & 6 lying North of the Santa Fee railroad
and parcells 5 & 3 on the south of railroad-This being located North
and West of the present City Limits:t-vhich motion upon vote was carried.;
General discussion on the proposed ^rater system by the Commission
and property owners present.
no action
Whereupon it was move by Comm Schulman second by Comm.-Ducus that
Sec'y expense for meetings of June,26,July 3rd--17th and 31st be allowed !
in the amount of $10.00 also for three publications from State printing
office~Eobilpark act,Auto Court act and Amendment to Gov.!.Code,$208.
total $12.08,which motion upon vote was carried.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Schulman second by Comm., ucus that
the meeting be adjourned,which motion upon vote was carried.;
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f 972 9TAN6ARO MINUTE RECORD 'A public hearing before the Planning Commission on four parts of the
proposed master plan was held on the above date; The hearing was called
to order at the hour of 7:30 P.M. with chairman terrifield presidingi
Chairman lierrifield. explained to those present the proceedings and
rules governering this type of a public hearing.?Each speaker to have
two minutes on the floor,no questions to be answered.`, The speaker to
speak for or against each proposal.
Proposal ~A 1.- Domestic Water System.. Laying of new water lines in
accordance with the Webb report.;, All preantt were in faver of this part
and no one spoke against.
Proposal # 2 Sewer improvements; Councilman Yarbourgh spoke on this
and was in favor of a new 12" trunk line for the west end of the City
so as to take some of the load off the present lines which were only 8f,
lines. Others that spoke on this ware for the improvement and no one
spoke against..
Proposal # 3 Mineral water as it come from the wells with a main line
south on Kellog,to Limited,accross to Chestnut to Heald down Heald to Ellis
to Pottery then back to Kellog,also a line on Spring St Users to hook
on said line at there expense. With the exception of about two present
all spoke against this proposal, stateing it would be very expensive to
the users and was the same proposal that was brought up four years ago
and no one was in favor of it at that time, L-11 that spoke against were
in favor of the Goldman plane.
Proposal 7+ 4 Swimin.g pool and rescreation. With the exception of one
those present were against this proposal,Some thinking that if this was
to be put in it should be valley wide so as to take in more tax payers
to pay for the costal
Meeting adjourned at 9:15 P.M.:and another public hearing to be held
August 21st.The one called for August 7th, posponed till the 21st so as
to give the Commission time to study the diff erant veiws of this hearing.;
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All four.of these proposals were to be paid for with revenue bonds
and this did not seem to go over with those present.-,vir Philip s,Water
engineer was present and explained two of the proposals.
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Commissioner mayhall absent.
Thereupon the see'y read the minutes of the meeting held July 3rd.-
and were approved as corrected.-
Chairman Merrifield read a letter from the City Attorney,also parts
of the attached proposed ordinance,this haveing to do ecith the Temascal
t, ditch.Letter stateing that the Commission should study same and
make recomendations to City Comlcilr.
Seely read parts of Council minutes that was of interest to,them..
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Neff second by Comm. Lucus that the
Planning Commission recomend to the City Council that the proposed
ordinance,entitled proposed ordinance of the City Of Elsinore,California
temporarly regulate the construction and moving of buildings within a
defined area of the City and declaring this ordinance to be an
emergency measure be approved and adopted, which motion was carried by
the following vote.
Commissioner... .Lucus.. .yes No's.. none
fi ............Neff yes. Absent...... one
............Schulman ;yes
IT . n .N[errifield..... yes
WhIereupon it was moved by Comm.hucus second by Comm.Neff that the
Planning Commission recomend to the City'Council that all future
replacements and or repairs of excisting water mains put in according to
the Webb report with transite pipe,in lieu of the adoption of the
master pl,an,which motion upon vote was carried.
It was brought to the attention of the Commission that there was an
old undersize house on lot 113 south Lindsay advertized for sale.'This
being misleading to a purchaser as house was not standard for that locat
and could probly not get a permit to remodel.no action till more study:
Mr Lyle Hodges was present representing the Park Board and spoke on t.
Temecal ditch, ne stateing that the ditch would have to be cleaned out
so lake would drain out when reaching the 1260 level before any water
would be put in said lake.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Neff second by Comm. Lucus that the
meeting be adjourned,which motion upon vote was carried..
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and minutes of special meeting held June 26th.; June 19th.approved as
read.+June 26th.approved. as corrected.I
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Lucus seconcl by Comm.-Schulman that the
Planning Commission recomend to the City Council that as there is a
serious sewer problem its solution be carried out concurrently with
the water plan.The Commission will report to the City. Council on a
proposed program as soon as it is ready,which motion upon vote was
carried.'
Thereupon the Seely read parts of the Council minutes,Letter from the,
City Attorney regarding the Annexation.
Letter read from Mrs Velma Smith,she requesting a variance to build
a house on lot 27,B1k.3 Unit 4 Country Club Estates,this lot under
size,401 by 1271-
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i! A regular meeting of the Elsinore Planning Commission was held on the`
above date ,The meeting was called to order at the hour of 7:30 P.11.1
with chairman Merrifield. presiding.;
Commissioner;-Yerrifield,Lucus and Schulman answer roll call,
Commissioners Neff and Mayhall absent., Councilman Yarbrough present.
Thereupon the Seely read. the minutes of the meeting held June 18th.
Whereupon it was moved by Comm.,ucus second by Comm.Schulman that the
Planning Commission recomend to the City Council that the request of
airs Smith be granted,which motion upon vote was carried.;
if built to City coder
Chairman Merrifield turned the chair over to Comm. Schulman for the
following motion'.{
Whereupon it was moved by Comm.1lerrifield. second by Comm.Lueus that
map dated July 3rd,1962 showing water lines,proposal "A" be officialy
adopted as the mineral water plan,which was carried by the following
vote.'(This map on file in the office of the Commission secretary)
Commissioner Merrifield yes
;r t1 Lucus.............. yes
n if Schulman .`..........no
No's one
Absent Commissioners, Hayhall and Neff.
General discussion on water,and bond election,lir Philips being presen
explained some of the proceedings.
~phereupon it was moved by Comm. Lucus second by Comm.Schulman that
the meeting be adjourned,which motion upon vote was carried.`
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Commissioner Mayhall read a report he had typed on the water question,,
after which short discussion were held,which were followed by the two
following motions.'
Whereupon it was moved by Comm. Neff second by Comm.-Mayhall that the
Planning Commission request the City Council to call a public hearing
before the Planning Commission and set the time and place for said hearing
on the water system,part of the master plann as amended
l.That the general public be served with domestic fresh cater su 1
2Replacement of existing system in a
3.:That the City will establish a loop
untreated mineral water)which would
as an additional supply.'The cost of
line to be borne by consumer.
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system to be served with
be available to any consumer
extension of service from loop
4.1hat the method of financing, be developed as revenue bonds wherein
those who benifit would pay the costs of the project.?Which motion
was carried by the following vote
Commissioner Lucus........ yes
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Special
Elsinore Planning Commission
26 DAY OF June
i k special meeting of the Elsinore Planning Commission was., held on
the above date.The meeting was called to order at the hour of 7:30
P`v:.` with chairman Merrifield presiding.
Commissioners;-Merrifield,Lucus,1.xayhall,Neff and Schulman answer
roil Calla
This meeting haveing been called for the purpose of.framing a
tentative plan for the City water system so as to request the City
Council to call a public hearing thereon.
Five proposal haveing been presented marked as proposals 'rAr'- "Br' -
"C" -rrD'r -and "Ell a copy of which is attached to these minutes.
Commissioner Lucus;- Proposal "A" using untreated mineral water in
a limited area.A pipeline would be extended from source south on Kellogg
St to Limited,east on limited to Spring, to Sulphur,then east on
Sulpher and Prospect to Chestnut North on Chestnut tp Heald 'Jest on
Heald to Ellis,North on Ellis to~Pottery,then West to beginning.This
loop line would be offered to any and all consumers desiring it.
connections would be made at there own expense.All comsumers would have
a fresh water supply.No swiming pool planed in this proposal.';
Commissioner Neff:-Proposal "BIT This to provide a single main down
Spring St.to the ball park.Existing defluoridation plant would be used
to maintain pressure.Connection expense on this single line would be
charged to consumer.Included would be a swiming pool
Commissioner Schulman: Proposal TIC" This the so called Goldman plan. i
Two seperate crater systems through the City,one for defluoridated
sulpher water,the other for fresh water.;
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No's ...................one
Absent.. .none
Whereupon it was moved by Comm, Lucus second by Comm. Neff that the
meeting be adjourned,which motion upon vote was carried.;
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Commissioner Schulman no
rr it Mayhall............ yes
'r It Merrifield......... yes
No's.. ..one
Absent ..none
Whereupon it was moved-by Comm:Mayhall second by Comm.Neff that the
motion to call a public hearing be amended to include in the master
plan a municipal plunge together with compatible faeflities,and. served
by mineral water and financed by revenue bonds,which motion was carried
by the following vote:-
Commissioner Lucus..... .....no
rr if Neff .........yes
n it Schulman ........yes
n if Mayhall......... yes
n it Merrifield yes
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June 26, 1962
Planning. CsssmoAas?on
City of Elsinore
C-Ity Hall
Elsinore, California
Gentl emag;
Purauant to the 3'vquest of you Honorable Body w- i have prspaxed engineer-
Ing estimates and costs of the various proposals for utilitati.on of E191»
noreOs mineral water preeentlgr before the Commission, Thane proposals
have been arbitrarily titled In alphabaticsl ❑rclure
DESCRIPTIONS OF THE PROPOSALS:
°EVoo al 'AR .L 6his proposal envisions the uss of mineral water in a
limited aria„ A pipeline could be sx. csnded from the cold city resesrvair
south an Kellogg to Liraitad Avenue, thence easterly to Chestnut and north-
erly to Pottery and tie-in at this Intersection of Pottery and Kelloggo
Service from this loop sysetom would be offered to any and all conszpexe
desiring it and connections would be made at their expense. The existing
domestic system would be replaced and it would be supplied with "Fresh
water", Said saupply, would roe initially Colorado River water„ hawevUr„
every srff ort would be roads to develop local frr sh water walls to reduce
production costs. This proposal would follow the Webb Report recommenda-
tions an rapla ceiaaant oaf the existing systaw, The defluaridauion plant
would not be used and the mineral water would come to the consumers in
its natural state. All consumers would have the fresh water supply. Those
desiring the mineral water would be required to modify their plumbing to
the extent that the mineral water would only be available in the bathroom.
piggsaeal "iym -'phis proposal provides for the extension of a single main
down Spring Street to uha ballpark. instead of using the reservoir, the
existing dafluaaridation plant would be aaodified and wade Into a hydro-
pneumatic system for the purpose of maintaining pressure. Connection ax-
pense to this singla line would be changed to any consumer desiring min-
eral water.
Pro e l nC0 -'this is they a-called "Goldman Plan", It envisiona two sup-
arate water systems throughout the City, One system would be supplied
with fresh water, is; Metropolitan Water and/or fresh water wells. On
this system would be placed fire hydrants, it would serve all cransumearaq
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parks and schools, as well as the commercial development in the downtown
area. The other system would be supplied by water from the mineral wells
and domestic service would be available in all areas of the City to any
properties desiring it. The defluoriidation plant would be used and enlarged
to meet the demands for mineral water.
Proposal 00" This proposal is for a plunge to be constructed on City
property next to the ballpark. It would consist of an clympic size pool
together with auxiliary pools, dressing rooms and snack bar. Tha area
around this development would be leased by the City for constrbction of
professional offices, stores, restaurants, etc. which would be compatible
with this central spa development.
Pro.sa_l"E" This proposal would abandon or sell the mineral wells to
private interests and would consist only of the rehabilitation of the exist-
ing distribution system and said distribution system would be supplied by
fresh water from the Elsinore Valley Municipal plater District or from wells
which the City might acquirs.
In developing the engineering estimates of costs of these proposals
currant bid prices were used and 20% was added to the estimate for engineer-
ing, administrative, inspection and contingency expenses.
The estimates are as follows%
Proposal "A" Domestic water system Sa 420®000
Loop System 77.000 497.000
Proposal "H" Domestic water system $ 4100000
Spring Street Line 36A000 L A46.
Proposal "CO Commercial and fire
protection system 83 4109000
Mineral water system 1.140 ,000 S 2 510.000
Proposal 00" «a. Municipal plunge,
dress, rms., etc. IHO 000
Proposal "E" -v Single fresh water
system 4I0 000
I have discussed the matter of bonds with the legal firm of O'Melvsny and
Myers, They recommend that the band issue election should be devised
into propositions which will delineate each purpose. In order words" they
recommend that the domestic system be on one proposition, the mineral water
system an a second proposition and the plunip on a third proposition.
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As soon as the Planning Commission has held a public hearing and haS Evade
Ito recommendation to the City Council - % will confer with the City°s
Attorney, Mrs Dougherty, and financial consultants to study the problems
in detail,
CAP.1
E V E R E T T A. P H I L I P S
CONSULTING ENGINEER
United California Bank Bldg.
315 West Socond Street
Pomona, California
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July 2, 1962
Planning Commission
City of Elsinore
City Nall
Elsinore, California
Re: Engineering cost estimates of various
proposals for Water Master Plan
Gentlemen;
Pursuant to your instructions I have prepared an addendu+q to my report sub-
mitted to the Planning Commission on June 26th revising the so-called Goldman
Plan both in description and engineering cost estimate.
The Goldman Plan, as now understoode envisions the use of mineral water do-
fluoridated for all purposes other than commercial eetablishmenta, parkep
schools, etc. It would necessitate the doubling of the capacity of the
defluaridation plant. The anieting high level reservoir would be used for
storage of the mineral water. The existing distribution system would be re-
habilitated in accordance with the Webb Report and fire hydrants would be
connected to this system. A second system would be established utilizing
the lower reservoir to be supplied from a fresh water supply; i.e. Colorado
River water and wells. A limited distribution system would be installed
which would serve commercial establishments an Main Street and Graham. The
schools and industrial plants would be connected to this system. A booster
plant would be constructed to supply such areas as could not be served by
gravity flow. This particularly would affect the high school..
The engineering cost estimate of this proposal would be as follows;
EAP:1
Rehabilitation of the existing system $ 4209000.00
Roofing of the lower reservoir 40e000.00
Construction of the second system 128s000.II0
Booster Plant 50,000.00
Additions to the 0efluoridation Plant 40,000.00
Total Construction Cost: 678,000.00
Plus 20% for engineering, inspection, ad-
ministration and contingencies: 135.600.00
TOTAL COST OF PROPOSAL: $ 8130600.00
SOP WVV
Consulting Enginaer