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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996 Design Review Com Mintues MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE JANUARY 3, 1996 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 3, 1996, WAS CALLED FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. ~C~fUIIY Submitt~d. crc/~ ~~ Ll.nda Grindstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COKKITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 17, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:40 p.m. by Chairman Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COKKITTEE MEMBERS: ALLENBACH, SANDS, SCHIFFNER, WILSEY AND MATTHIES ABSENT: COKKITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: Associate Planner De Gange. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Committee Member Wilsey, Seconded by Committee Member Sands and carried by vote 4-0 with Schiffner abstaining to approve the Minutes of December 6, 1995, and receive and file the Minutes of December 20, 1995 and January 3, 1996. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS Associate Planner De Gange stated that on Monday he received a business license application which was a relocation of an existing business known as The Hall of Fame Sports Cards. He explained that they are moving to another location on Main Street and asked that the DRC add this item to the Agenda. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT TO ADD "THE BALL 01' FAKE SPORTS CARDS" TO THB BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS AGENDA KNOWN AS ITEM NO.3. 1. Antiaues and Thinqs - 130 North Main Street - Dannv Barrett. Associate Planner De Gange stated that this is a request for a business license to operate an Antique and Collectibles shop. He explained that the previous use of the store was for the same purpose and is a consistent use with the zoning. He further explained that staff would recommend approval of the request with two conditions as listed in the staff report. Committee Member Allenbach stated that the applicant should be sure to read Condition No.2. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY ALLEN BACH AND APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATION FOR ANTIQUES AND THINGS LOCATED AT 130 NORTH MAIN STREET WITH TWO CONDITIONS AS FOLLOWS: 1. No used clothing and appliances (large or small), or nay other items normally found in a "thrift" store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold. Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. 2. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRe), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Desiqn Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. 2. Soccer SUDplies Store - 112 South Main Street - Carlos Godina. Associate Planner De Gange stated that this is a request for a business license for a Soccer Supply Store located at 112 South Main Street. He explained that the building was occupied by Manee Planning and Engineering Consulting, but has PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - JANUARY 17, 1996 been vacant since 1992. He further explained that this use is consistent with the allowed zoning and staff recommends approval with one condition. Committee Member wilsey asked if any of the applicants submitted applications for signs. Associate Planner De Gange stated that the applicants like to have the business license in hand before they pursue having a sign designed and submitted. Committee Member Wilsey asked the applicants were aware that they do not need a business license to pursue the design of a sign. He pointed out that a recent applicant had designed his own sign and submitted it with the application. Associate Planner De Gange stated that the Committee has stressed that in the past that only professional designs exhibits be submitted for consideration. MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY SANDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATION FOR SOCCER SUPPLIES LOCATED AT 112 SOUTH MAIN STREET WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION: 1. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Desian Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. 3. Hall of Fame Sports Cards - 137 North Main - Sports Cards and Memorabilia. Associate Planner De Gange stated that this is a location of the business from 112 North Main Street to 137 North Main Street. He explained that the previous business in that building was an auto parts store and has been vacant for the last year and one hal f . He further explained that at the time of approval of the business at the previous location, a condition was set and he would recommend that this condition become part of the new business license. He noted that the condition required that prior to any deviation from what the applicant has stated for uses in the application, it would have to be brought back before Design Review Commi ttee. Associate Planner De Gange explained that the applicant has asked to expand his shop merchandise to include sports oriented T-Shirts, Pictures, Caps and emblems which would all be new merchandise. He further explained that this application is to include not only approval for a business license relocation but also an expansion in the type of merchandise offered. He asked that the condition be included as well as the condition for signage. Committee Member Allenbach asked if the sales of T-shirts is an approved use for this shop. Associate Planner De Gange stated that there is nothing in the Design Standards or the zoning Ordinance which would prohibit that use, however there is a requirement within the Design Standards which prohibit the sale of used clothes or army surplus. Committee Member Allenbach asked if staff had a problem with the word merchandise. Associate Planner De Gange stated that the applicant could be more specific in the type of merchandise and a condition could be included to require the applicant to be more specific in identifying the specific type of merchandise. Committee Member Allenbach stated that it could be subject to staff's approval as to the type of merchandise to be sold. Associate Planner De Gange agreed. Committee Member Sands asked if the applicant has applied for a sign permit. Associate Planner De Gange stated that he has not, but has indicated that he will be once the relocation has occurred. Committee Member Sands asked about the cost of the license. Associate Planner De Gange stated that the applicant - - - PAGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - JANUARY 17,1996 would have to pay the balance of the business license fee and then renew at the time of expiration. Committee Member Schiffner stated that the current license prohibi ts the sale of used clothes. Associate Planner De Gange stated that there is, but it does not include of the sale of used furniture or other thrift store items. Committee Member Schiffner stated that he felt that a condition should be added to that effect to prevent the sale of undesirable items at some later time. MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY WILSEY AHD CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATION BY BALL OF FAME SPORTS CARDS LOCATED AT 137 NORTH MAIN STREET WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: 1. No used clothing and appliances (large or small), or any other items normally found in a "thrift" store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold. Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. 2. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. 3. A list of all items which on the business license application is being referred to as general merchandise and which is intended for sale, must be provided to the Planning Department for approval prior to final approval of and the issuance of the business license. 4. Prior to any deviation from what has explicitly been stated in the application and what has been approved by staff in compliance with Condition #3 listed above, with respect to what is being sold at this establishment must be resubmitted to the DRC for their review and approval. ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WAS ADJOURNED AT 7:54 P.M. ;;; Jl~ ~~ / ERICKA MATTHIE I, CHAIRMAN ~~es ~~fU~IY,. ubmit:ed, td~ . ?p-~Yr/') L nda Gri staff ~l/ Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 1996 ................................................................. The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 8:37 p.m. by Chairman Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: ALLEN BACH , SANDS, WILSEY AND MATTHIES SCHIFFNER, ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: Associate Planners O'Donnell. Community Development Director De Gange and Villa, Engineering Leslie, Manager MINUTE ACTION Moved by Wilsey, Seconded by Allenbach and carried by unanimous vote to approve the Minutes of January 17, 1996, as submitted. DESIGN APPLICATIONS NONE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS NONE STAFF COMMENTS None COMMITTEE COMMENTS Committee Member Allenbach commented on Guadalajara's signage and stated the red is very prominent and wishes another color had been used. ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WAS ADJOURNED AT 8:38 P.M. '~\~ck ~8 ERICKA MATTHIES, CHAIRMAN Respectfully SUbmitted, ~4~ 7'-~d~ L nda Grindlitaff 01 ' Recording Secretary MINOTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 21, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 8:01 p.m. by Chairman Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: ALLEN BACH , SANDS, WILSEY AND MATTHIES SCHIFFNER, ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: Associate Planners O'Donnell. De Community Gange and Development Director Villa, Engineering LeSlie, Manager MINOTE ACTION Moved by Wilsey, Seconded by Sands and carried by unanimous vote to approve the Minutes of February 7, 1996, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. At this time, Associate Planner De Gange requested the Committee consider adding a business license application for Pavilion Photo Graphics at 128 North Main Street to the agenda. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY ALLEN BACH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADD BUSINESS LICENSE FOR PAVILION PHOTO GRAPHICS AT 128 NORTH MAIN STREET TO THE AGENDA. DESIGN APPLICATIONS NONE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 1. Pavilion Photo GraDhics at 128 North Main Street - Ronald Scotton Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is to review and approve a business license to operate a computer photographic business at 128 North Main Street. The business entails computerized photo restoration, modification of photographs, computerized portraits, buttons, banners, mugs and plates. As an accessory to the main business, the applicant is also proposing to provide small scale computer classes. These classes would be held periodically based on demand and would be limited to a maximum of six students. The building in which this business is proposed previously housed Lake Elsinore Blueprint. The uses being proposed are consistent with the uses allowed in the C-1 and c-o Zoning Districts are not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. Chairwoman Matthies asked if the applicant would like to address the Committee. Associate Planner De Gange stated staff was unable to get in touch with the applicant to have them present at the meeting. Committee Member Wilsey inquired about signage and asked if staff wanted to add the standard condition pertaining to signage. Associate Planner De Gange responded in the affirmative. PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - FEBRUARY 21, 1996 Committee Member Schiffner stated for the record, he is happy to see one of those buildings occupied and happy to see the applicant moving into the City. Chairwoman Matthies asked if the computer classes would be equal to college credits. Associate Planner De Gange stated he thought they were general classes and not affiliated with any college program. Chairwoman Matthies then inquired about the number of students. Associate Planner De Gange stated that a maximum of six students is being proposed at anyone time. - Commi ttee Member Allenbach asked whether computer equipment or software would be sold, and if this would be a problem if the applicant decided to do so. Associate Planner De Gange stated this was not included on the application, and there would be no problem with the sale of computer equipment/software. MOVED BY ALLENBACH, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTB TO APPROVE BUSINESS LICENSB APPLICATION FOR PAVILION PHOTO GRAPHIC AT 128 NORTH HAIN STREET WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION PLACED ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE: Condition No.1: All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC) , prior to installation. In addi tion the signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. STAFF COMMENTS - None COMMITTEB COMMENTS None ADJOURHKENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THB DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE W S ADJOURNED AT 8:08 P.M. Respectfully Submitted, '1 ~n~ Recording Secretary - MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, KARCH 6, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting_was called to order at 7:05 p.m. by Chairwoman Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: ALLENBACH, .,' SANDS, WILSEY AND MATTHIES SCHIFFNER, ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: Associate Planners O'Donnell. De Community Gange and Development Director villa, Engineering Leslie, Manager MINUTE ACTION Moved by Wilsey, Seconded by Schiffner and carried by unanimous vote to approve the Minutes of February 21, 1996, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS section was closed. At this time, Associate Planner De Gange requested the Committee consider adding an application for signage for Fantastic Signs at 161 South Main Street to the agenda. MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY SANDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADD SIGNAGE FOR FANTASTIC SIGNS AT 161 SOUTH MAIN STREET TO THE AGENDA. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Auto-oriented Facade Sian - Hall of Fame SDorts Cards - 137 North Main Street - Doualas J. Barendregt Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is for installation of a 36" x 16' (48 square feet) painted wooden auto-oriented facade sign with a 6" ceramic tile trim on the upper facade of the building. This business has approximately 26 feet of linear frontage an4~based on the Design Standards is entitled to 39 square feet of signage. This sign meets the Design Standards with respect to architecture, style of lettering and color; however, the sign as proposed exceeds the limit for signage by 9 square feet. Chairwoman Matthies asked if the applicant was present, and noted for the record that he was not. She then asked staff if the applicant was willing to reduce the sign. Associate Planner De Gange stated there has been no contact with the applicant and unsure if he would reduce the sign; however, the sign violates the standards. Committee Member Wilsey stated the sign could be approved to meet the standards rather than as proposed. Committee Member Allenbach inquired about approving the sign as submitted with the dimensions to be reduced to meet the standards. Committee Member Sands stated the sign has already been installed. There was general discussion on signage being installed prior to receiving approval and obtaining a permit, and whether a stipulation was placed on the business license requiring approval of signage prior to installation. :. PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - MARCH 6, 1996 ~... ,.~" ': ... Committee Member Schiffner asked what ,this reduction will do to the overall dimensions of tnasign. Associate Planner De Gange stated the height of the sign~ould remain but it would need to be reduced 1.5 feet on each side. ' MOVED BY SCHIPPBER, SECONDED BY SDDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE '1'0 APPROVE THE SIGNAGE POR 'HALL 01' PAMB SPORTS CARDS AT 137 NORTH MAIN STREET SUBJECT THE At"PLICANT REDUCING THE SIGN BY , SQUARE PEET TO MEET THE SIZE REQUIREMEH'l'S POR SIGNAGE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE HISTORIC ELSINORE DESIGN STANDARDS. 2. sianaae - Fantastic Sians (John" Del ~egno) - 161 South Main Street - Associate Planner De Gange explaIned "the request is to paint and place prefabricated vinyl lettering on three existing sign faces. Two signs 2'x 20' (40 square feet) are proposed to be placed on a freestand~ng canopy str~~ture and one sign 2'x 12.7'(25 square feet) ~s proposed to be placed on a projecting canopy over the main entryway. The background is soft pink wi th forest green vinyl letters and teal accenting. This business has 86 feet of lineal frontage and based on the Design Standards is entitled to 129.square feet of signage and a total of 105 square feet is proposed. Mr. De Gange high- lighted staff's concern relatin~ to the freestanding canopy structure and stated the Design Standards do not specifically address signage on an existing detached canopy structure. Staff would recommend the DRC approve the sign proposed over the main entryway, and deny th~ two signs proposed to be placed on the freestanding canopy structure. Committee Member Wilsey asked for clarification, is staff recommending approval of Sign #1, Sign #2 or Sign #3? Associate Planner De Gange stat~d Sign '3 is recommended for approval. Committee Member Wilsey commented on the location of the building and inquired about visibility. He asked about the type maintenance program and stated that visual impacts would be eliminated if signage is allowed. - . Community Development Director Leslie explained that the freestanding canopy is used for parking and concerned that allowing signage on this canopy perpetrates the structure and it should be removed. Committee Member Wilsey asked by what authority the property owner could be required to remove this structure. Community Development Director Leslie responded none, and explained that it would have to go into nuisance abatement; however, not suggesting it is anywhere near that point. Associate Planner De Gange stated the applicant is in the audience and if there are questions he might be consulted. Chairwoman Matthies called the applicant to the podium. e. Mr. John Del Regno, 161 South Main, stated he does use the canopy for parking. He explained the canopy is 400 square feet in area and considers it part of the property if being utilized for the business, could be used in the summer time. He asked the Committee to grant approval of the signage proposed not only to beautify the property, but also give the best coverage. Committee Member Wilsey asked Mr. Del Regno if he would be willing to do upgrades. Mr. Del Regno stated he could paint and will make it look nice. He stated his store is the "eyesore" of downtown and if these three signs are put up it will beautify the whole area. Committee Member Schiffner asked whether it would be proper to require the applicant to beautify the entire building, painting it. Mr. Del Regno stated the building has been painted. ~ - PAGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - MARCH 6, 1996 Committee Member wilsey stated he would be inclined to allow Sign #1 and #2 if the applicant is willing to upgrade the freestanding canopy and provide landscaping, such as potted plants, and asked staff for verbiage. Community Development Director Leslie suggested approval of Sign #3 and approval of sign #1 and sign #2 on the condition that the applicant repaint the structure, replace any broken roof tiles on the mansard and work with staff in placing some potted plants, landscaping, around the structure. Mr. Del Regno explained his past experiences with the existing fencing and that he is constantly repairing this fence, and that flowers will be pulled out of potted plants. Committee Member Wilsey asked Mr. Del Regno whether he wanted to do the upgrades. Mr. Del Regno stated that he would be glad to do this, but concern is vandalism. MOVED BY ALLEN BACH , SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE SIGN iI, SIGN #2 AND SIGN #3 FOR FANTASTIC SIGNS AT 161 SOUTH MAIN STREET WITH THE STIPUIATION THAT ANY BROKEN ROOF TILES ON THE MANSARD BE REPIACED, THE CANOPY AREA SHALL BE REPAINTED AND THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THE IANDSCAPING TO BE PROVIDED, SUCH AS THE USE OF POTTED PIANTS, SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OR DESIGNEE PRIOR TO INSTALIATION OF SIGNAGE. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS NONE STAFF COMMENTS None COMMITTEE COMMENTS None ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR IIBETINa 01' THE DESIGN REVIEW COMKITTEE WAS ADJOURNED AT 7:25 P.X. ~.~ w1cJfk~ ERICKA MATTHIES, CHAIRMAN Respectfully SUbmitted, ,I MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, MARCH 20, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:08 p.m. by Chairwoman Matthies. - ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: SANDS, SCHIFFNER, MATTHIES WILSEY AND ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: ALLEN BACH Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie, Associate Planners De Gange and villa. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Wilsey, Seconded by Schiffner and carried by a vote of 4-0 to approve the Minutes of March 6, 1996, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS section was closed. At this time, Associate Planner De Gange requested the Committee consider adding a Business License application for Alice's Antiques at 123 North Main Street to the agenda. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY SANDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADD BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATION FOR ALICE'S ANTIQUES AT 123 NORTH MAIN STREET TO THE AGENDA. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Auto-oriented Facade Siqn and a Pro; ectinq Pedestrian Oriented Sign for the Soccer Supplies store - 112 S. Main street - Carlos Godina Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is for installation of a 2' x 10' (20 square feet) painted wooden auto-oriented facade sign, to be placed on the upper facade of the building, and to repaint the sign face of an existing 2' x 3' projecting pedestrian oriented sign. The unit in which this business is located has approximately 17 feet of linear frontage and based on the Design Standard is entitled to 26 square feet of signage. These signs meet the Design Standards with respect to architecture, style of lettering, and color. Chairwoman Matthies noted for the record that the applicant was not present. A brief discussion was held on the proposed colors. MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY SANDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE SIGNAGE FOR THE SOCCER SUPPLIES STORE AT 112 SOUTH MAIN STREET. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 2. Alice's Attic - 123 North Main street - Marie Titus and Linda Clark Associate Planner De Gange explained the requests is for a business license to operate an antique and collectible shop at 123 North Main Street, previously this building housed Main Street Furniture and Antiques. Staff would recommend that PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - MARCH 20, 1996 the standard conditions pertaining to the sale of merchandise and signage be added should the DRC desire to approve this application. Also, the applicant has indicated that an application for signage will soon be submitted for review and approval by the DRC. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY SCHIFFNER AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATION FOR ALICE'S ANTIQUES AT 123 NORTH MAIN STREET WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS PLACED ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE: - Condition No.1: No used clothing and appliances (large or small), or any other items normally found in a "thrift" store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold. Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC) , prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. Condition No.2: STAFF COMMENTS Associate Planner De Gange reported that the signage for Hall of Frame Sports Cards is now in compliance with the Design standards. The sign was reduced in size to meet the requirements for signage. - COMMITTEE COMMENTS Committee Member Wilsey commented that the Historic Elsinore District Standards and some of the difficulties were discussed at the Joint study Session held on March 19, 1996. Asked staff if specific concerns could be provided. Community Development Director Leslie stated that staff does not have any specific concerns. He stated this topic was included in a list of possible topics for the Joint study Session and submitted to the Commission, and it was felt all the topics listed were worth discussing. ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WAS ADJOURNED AT 7:17 P.M. ~J[~ VV L/I ~ ERICKA MATTHIES, CHAIRMAN Respectfully Submitted, ~~n~O Recording Secretary - MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMIITEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, APRIL 3, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:53 p.m. by Chairwoman Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: SANDS, ALLENBACH, SCHIFFNER, MATTHIES AND WILSEY ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie, Associate Planners De Gange and Villa, and Engineering Manager O'Donnell. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Sands, Seconded by Wilsey and carried by a vote of 4-0 with Commissioners Allenbach abstaining to approve the Minutes of March 20, 1996, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. DESIGN APPLICATIONS NONE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS NONE STAFF COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMITI'EE COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITI'EE WAS ADJOURNED AT 7:55 P.M. ~_ V1 iJib_ ERICKA MATTHIES, CHAIRMAN Respectfully Submitted, ~-~ a'cu . inda GrindBlaff . Recording Secretary PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - APRIL 17, 1996 Committee Member Sands asked Ms. Jones if she owns the building. Ms. Jones responded in the negative. Committee Member Sands asked if a paralegal license was required by the State. Mr. Divita responded in the negative, and explained there are no provisions in the law requiring a paralegal to be licensed. Mr. Divita further explained that about three years ago a Bill, written by Senator Presely, was pending but it never passed the Assembly or Senate. Committee Member Sands asked Mr. Divita if he was to be the manager, and asked for this expertise. Mr. Divita stated he would be the manager and that he has about seventeen (17) years of experience in this field. Committee Member Sands asked about the iron bars on the windows. Mr. Divita stated these bars were in place when the building was leased. Committee Member Sands commented that they have the appearance of being open. Mr. Divita explained that he has been working inside the building preparing for the opening, and that he has turned down business over the last two weeks because he has not gone thought this process. Committee Member Allenbach asked Mr. Divita for his previous business background and location. Mr. Divita stated he has worked as a paralegal for the past seventeen years, and that previously he had a business in Moreno Valley. Committee Member Allenbach commented on newspaper articles concerning Mr. Divita's previous business which did not put the business in a very good light. Committee Member Allenbach asked staff if the DRC can look at a business and how it impacts the community or if it is strictly in terms of the code. Community Development Director Leslie stated the standards do not include anything about analyzing a business based on its impact on the community from a philosophical standpoint. The DRC is empowered to review all business license applications and decide if that business is appropriate for the downtown area. Committee Member Allenbach stated he feels the impacts from the previous business carries over to the new business, although Mr. Divita is an employee now, and asked if the business in Moreno Valley is operating. Mr. Divita stated the business in Moreno Valley was closed in September 1994. Community Development Director Leslie reminded the members that any action by the DRC can be appealed to the City Council. Chairwoman Matthies informed Commissioner Sands that the property owner had the iron bars installed for security purposes. Mr. Divita asked to address the Committee as it is follow-up to Mr. Allenbach's question. Committee Member Wilsey yielded the floor. Mr. Divita stated that besides being a paralegal he has created a ministry, New Creation Ministries out of Moreno Valley. The articles in the newspaper from 3-5 years ago mayor may not be true. Mr. Divita stated he has signed up as a volunteer for Kids Sake at the Central Street office, joined the Downtown Business Association and has an application pending at the Chamber of Commerce. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY SCHIFFNER AND CARRIED BY A VOTE OF 4-1 WITH COMMITTEE MEMBER SANDS CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE AT 112 NORTH MAIN STREET SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: Condition No.1: The business license for The Justice Connection shall be subject to review after a six-month period (October 17, 1996). Condition No.2: All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. PAGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - APRIL 17, 1996 3. Los Comoadres - 161 South Main Street - Marleny Merino Associate Planner De Gange explained the proposal is for a business license to operate a meat/produce market and delicatessen at 161 South Main Street. This use is consistent with those allowed in the C-l and C-O zoning districts. This use will require modification to the building to comply with Health Department and Building Department standards, and the applicant has been informed of these requireme~ts and wishes to proceed. Associate Planner De Gange stated staff has a concern With the sale of alcoholic beverages, and explained that the Police Department does have the authority to deny ABC licenses in certain areas. Again, the applicant has been informed of this and has taken it into consideration. - Committee Member ScbitTner asked whether the applicant would proceed should an ABC License not be granted. Associate Planner De Gange stated the applicant is not present, but this question was put to the applicant and she stated the sale of alcohol was secondary to the business. Committee Member Wilsey commented on the crime levels within the downtown area and stated he would be more comfortable if the alcoholic beverage portion was deleted from the application. Committee Member Sands stated a Conditional Use Permit is in order to get the building up to standards. Also, would need to see the reports from the Health Department and the Police Department and would recommend continuance. Committee Member Wilsey stated that he believes the applicant is looking for a favorable application in order to decide whether to expend the funds for the remodel. Community Development Director Leslie explained that the Building Department will not sign ofT on a business license until the building has met all requirements including Health Code requirements. Also, a Conditional Use Permit is not appropriate in this instance as it is geared toward a use as opposed to the condition of a building. Committee Member Allenbach commented on the proposed use and whether the neighborhood can support this use. Committee Member Wilsey reiterated that he would like to see the business license stipulate that the sale of alcoholic beverages will be prohibited. Committee Member Schiffner asked whether the DRC can do this. Community Development Director Leslie explained that the DRC does not have this authority, but the DRC is free to make a recommendation/suggestion that staff could forward to the Police Department who does have the authority to approve or deny a liquor license in this area. MOVED BY SCBIFFNER, SECONDED BY SANDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS UCENSE AT 161 SOUTH MAIN STREET WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE POLICE DEPART- MENT THAT SHOULD AN APPLICATION BE FILED FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES THAT IT BE REJECTED, AND SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDmONS: Condition No.1: All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. Condition No.2: The applicant or building owner shall make certain repairs and/or upgrades to the exterior of the building upon installation of signage in order to improve the aesthetic appearance of the building. · f PAGE FOUR - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - APRIL 17, 1996 BUSINESS ITEM 4. Weekly Sidewalk Sales within Plannin~ Area 1 (Main and Graham) of the Historic Elsinore Overlav District Associate Planner De Gange explained that staff has been approached by Victor Ramano on behalf of various downtown merchants with a request to hold weekly sidewalk sales. The merchants are asking for approval to place merchandise on tables directly in front of their stores every Sunday. The merchants feel that this would increase business opportunities and stimulate interest in the downtown. Associate Planner De Gange suggested the following conditions, which were distributed this evening, should the DRC consider approving the request: Condition 1. Condition 2. Condition 3. Condition 4. Condition S. Condition 6. Condition 7. Condition 8. Condition 9. Condition 10. Condition 11. Condition 12. - Display areas shall be commed to the area immediately in front of the business, and will not extend more than three feet (31) from the building. Displays must not impede pedestrian traffic or present a hazard of any kind. Mirrors or reflective surfaces shall be covered to prevent reflective glare. Placement of displays is limited to the area directly in front of the business and shall be displayed only by the business which has set up the display. Displays may not be permanent and must be removed daily at the close of business. Displayed merchandise must pertain directly to the nature of the business and shall be of a type which is permitted to be sold within this zoning district and which is not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. - No used clothing and appliances (large or small), or any other items normally found in a "thrift" store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold. Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. Only businesses with business licenses from an address within the area where the sidewalk sale is approved for shall be allowed to display items. No displays will be allowed in the street, in parking places, in planters or on the City's sidewalk furniture. Nothing can be hung from trees or street fIXtures. Small items must be displayed on tables or other types of display cases and not on the ground. Display tables and cases must be presentable in appearance and in an aesthetically pleasing condition. Participants in these events shall be commed for those businesses along Main Street between Sulphur Street and Heald Avenue and along Graham A venue between Main Street and Spring Street. - These sidewalk sale events shall be permitted only on Sundays. Any modifications in the boundary for the area where businesses are participating in the sidewalk sale shall receive DRC or City approval. PAGE FIVE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - APRIL 17,1996 Condition 13. Any modification to the date or the frequency in which the events are to be held shall receive DRC or City approval. Condition 14. Each business shall be allowed one table or delineated display area (with a maximum dimension of 3' x 8') per 15 feet of building frontage with a maximum of 3 tables for anyone business. - Committee Member Schiffner asked if the applicant has reviewed and agrees with the conditions. Asked if other merchants in the downtown area were included. Mr. Victor Ramano stated he agrees with the conditions, and explained the merchants would not be doing anything different other than displaying a little more merchandise on Sunday from approximately 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.. Mr. Ramano stated this was discussed with many of the merchants and they are all for it. Committee Member Schiffner stated there is concern about security for these displays and if the merchants are going to add this additional risk does not feel the City's law enforcement should have the responsibility for protection or security. Asked Mr. Ramano if thought had been given to security and protection for these displays. Mr. Ramano stated security was discussed amongst the merchants and they do not foresee any danger and sees no reason for security other than themselves. Committee Member Allenbach stated that with more people coming into the downtown area there is the potential for more panhandlers. Mr. Ramano stated that panhandlers seem to disappear on the weekend. Committee Member Allenbach asked whether they would be opposed to twice a month, every other Sunday. Mr. Ramano stated they would not be opposed to twice a month but does not see what difference this would make. Chairwoman Matthies stated a condition can be added addressing security, and suggested the following language: if the merchants on Main Street feel that additional security is needed they will take the responsibility to provide security. It will not be the City's responsibility to provide security for the sidewalk sales. Committee Member Schiffner suggested this be approved for a period of six months and this added as a condition. Associate Planner De Gange asked for clarification. He asked whether this is to come back before the DRC for review in six months or only bring it back if there is a problem. It was the consensus of the Committee that this item be flagged for staff review after six months. Community Development Director Leslie asked Mr. Ramano, as the spokesperson for the merchants, whether he accepts the conditions of approval. Mr. Ramano stated that he accepts the conditions as presented. MOVED BY ALLENBACH, SECONDED BY SCHIFFNER AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE WEEKLY SIDEWALK SALES WITHIN PLANNING AREA 1 (MAIN AND GRAHAM) OF THE HISTORIC ELSINORE OVERLAY DISTRICT SUBJECT TO THE 14 CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL DISTRIBUTED AND WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS: CONDITION 15: H the merchants on Main Street feel that additional security is needed they will take the responsibility to provide security. It will not be the City's responsibility to provide security for the Sunday sidewalk sales. CONDITION 16: The request for Sunday sidewalk sales within the downtown area is granted for a period of six months. At the end of this time frame staff shall review the request and report any problems back to the DRC. PAGE SIX - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - APRIL 17, 1996 PUBLIC COMMENTS Ben Hankins, 584 Parkview Drive, commented on the business license application for the Justice Connection and Mr. Divita1s criminal background and stated a representative from the Police Department was supposed to come down this evening to speak on their behalf, but could not make it. Mr. Hankins asked whether the item could be brought up on the floor again so that their party can speak against the proposal. Mr. Hankins then submitted newspaper articles and paperwork to the DRC for their review. Community Development Director Leslie stated 'that any action of the DRC can be appealed to the City Council, and this can be done by any interested party. Committee Member Allenbach informed Mr. Hankins that should he desire to appeal the DRC decision then he has ten days in which to me an appeal with City Council. - STAFF COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMI'ITEE COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. ADJOI1BNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMI'ITEE WAS ADJOURNED AT 7:39 P.M. ~~~~ ERICKA MA HIES, CHAIRMAN - Respectfully Submitted, ~m~ Recording Secretary - MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITfEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, MAY 1, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 9:28 p.m. by Chairwoman Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: SANDS, ALLENBACH, SCHIFFNER, MATTHIES AND WILSEY ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie and Associate Planners De Gange and Villa and Engineering Department Manager O'Donnell. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Allenbach, Seconded by Wilsey and carried by unanimous vote approve the Minutes of April 17, 1996, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. AT THIS TIME, ASSOCIATE PLANNER DE GANGE REQUESTED THE COMMITTEE CONSIDER ADDING A BUSINESS LICENSE AND WINDOW SIGNAGE FOR 117B NORTH MAIN STREET ('fOOTSIE'S STUFF) TO THE AGENDA. MOVED BY SCHD'J.4'NER, SECONDED BY SANDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADD A BUSINESS LICENSE AND WINDOW SIGNAGE FOR 117B NORTH MAIN STREET TO THE AGENDA. DESIGN APPLICATIONS NONE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 1. 158 North Main Street - Antico (Antiaues and Collectibles) - Valadimiro Carminati Associate Planner De Gange explained the proposal is for a business license to operate an antique and collectible shop at 158 North Main Street Previously Quality Collectibles antiques and collectibles was located at this address. This use is consistent with the those uses allowed in the C-l and C-O zoning districts and is not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. Chairwoman Matthies asked if the applicant or representative was present. Mr. Carminati stated agreement with staff recommendation and that he would answer any questions. Committee Member Allenbach asked about signage being processed concurrently with business license applications. Committee Member Wilsey stated this has been discussed in the past and that applicants do not want to expend funds for signage until their business license has been approved. But staff does encourage concurrent processing of these applications. PAGE TWO- DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - MAY 1, 1996 MOVED BY SANDS, SECONDED ALLENBACH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS UCENSE AT 158 NORTH MAIN STREET SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: 1. No used clothing and appliances Oarge or small), or any other items normally found in a "thrift" store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. 2. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. - 2. 117B South Main Street - Tootsie's Stuff - Janis Marie Kni~ht Committee Member Wilsey asked whether the business license and window signage application could be combined Community Development Director Leslie responded in the atTmnative. It was the consensus of the Design Review Committee that the business license and window signage for 117B be combined Associate Planner De Gange explained the proposal is for a business license to operate an antique, collectible and craft store at 117B South Main Street. Previously this unit was occupied by Inland Valley Pregnancy Counseling Center which moved to 113 South Main Street. This unit has been vacant for about two years; however a business license for a gift shop was approved in 1994, but never went into business. Staff would request the standard condition prohibiting the sale of used clothing and appliances be added. The window signage as proposed measures 10 square feet and will occupy approximately 20 % of the window face. The sign consists of white letters with black trim to be painted on the inside of the window face. The sign meets the Design Standards with respect to size, color and style of lettering; therefore staff would recommend approval. - Chairwoman Matthies asked if the applicant or representative was present. Ms. Janis Knight stated that she would like to open her business in Lake Elsinore. There was a brief discussion on the Tootsie mascot and its location. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED SANDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS UCENSE AND WINDOW SlGNAGE AT 117B SOUTH MAIN STREET SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITION: 1. No used clothing and appliances Oarge or small), or any other items normally found in a "thrift" store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold. Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. STAFF COMMENTS - NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMITTEE COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. PAGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - MAY 1,1996 ADJOURNMENr THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMlTl'.KJ.t.; WAS ADJOURNED AT 9:36 P.M. ~L~ ERICKA MATTHIES, CHAIRWOMAN Respectfully Submitted, ~~~ Linda Grindstaff W Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMJ'ITEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, MAY 15, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 9:19 p.m. by Chairwoman Matthies. - ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: SANDS, ALLENBACH, SCHIFFNER, MATTHIES AND WILSEY ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie and Associate Planners De Gange and Villa and Engineering Department Manager O'Donnell. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Wilsey, Seconded by Schiffner and carried by unanimous vote approve the Minutes of May 1, 1996, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. AT THIS TIME, ASSOCIATE PLANNER DE GANGE REQUESTED THE COMMrITEE CONSIDER ADDING A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR 120 WEST GRAHAM STREET (RUTH DUGAN'S ANTIQUES) TO THE AGENDA. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY SANDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADD A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR 120 WEST GRAHAM STREET (RUTH DUGAN'S ANTIQUES) TO THE AGENDA. DESIGN APPLICATIONS NONE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 1. 120 West Graham Street - Ruth Duean's AntiQues Associate Planner De Gange explained the proposal is for a business license to operate an antique and collectible store at 120 West Graham Street. Previously this unit was occupied by Thompson's Variety Shop, and the unit has been vacant for approximately two years. This use is consistent with the those uses allowed in the C-l and c-o zoning districts and is not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. Staff would recommend approval with the standard conditions of approval. A brief discussion was held on signage. MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED SANDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE AT 120 WEST GRAHAM PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - MAY 15, 1996 STREET SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDmONS: 1. No used clothing and appliances Oarge or small), or any other items normally found in a II thrift II store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold. Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. 2. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. - STAFF COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMITTEE COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMl'rl'EE WAS ADJOURNED AT 9:21 P.M. - ~.Ju- vV~ ERICKA MATTHIES, 'CHAIRWOMAN Respectfully Submitted, ~~ inda GrindStaff ~ Recording Secretary - MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMI'ITEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, JUNE 5, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:22 p.m. by Chairwoman Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: SANDS, ALLENBACH, SCHIFFNER, MATTHIES AND WILSEY ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie and Associate Planner De Gange. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Sands, Seconded by Schiffner and carried by unanimous vote to approve the Minutes of May 15, 1996, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Window Awnin~s at 102 S. Main - Consienments Etc.- Jackie Burch Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is for the installation of two awnings over the main display windows at 102 South Main Street. As proposed both awnings will measure seven feet three inches long by three feet nine inches high and are to be made of forest green material; however, a color sample has not been submitted nor has it been indicated if the fabric will be made of a fIre retardant material, and this has been included as conditions of approval. The proposal is consistent with the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. Committee Member Allenbach asked about printing on the awnings and inquired about including a condition to address this issue. Associate Planner DeGange stated that printing on the awnings would be considered signage and would require separate approval. Committee Member Wilsey commented on the existing green canopies on Main Street and suggested the proposed color blend or match these existing awnings. Community Development Director Leslie suggested the colors compliment each other, unless an exact match is the intent. The consensus from the table was that the color compliment each other. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY ALLENBACH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED AWNINGS AT 102 SOUTH MAIN SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL: 1. Awnings are to be made of a fIre retardant fabric. 2. A color sample of the fabric to be used is to be submitted and shall be reviewed by the staff liaison for approval PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - JUNE 5, 1996 BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 2. 117 South Main Street - Memory Lane Antiaues - Donna Lucas & Wanda Moore Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is for a business license to operate an antique, collectible and gift shop at 117 South Main Street. Previously Express Blueprint occupied a portion of the building, and this portion of the building has been vacant since 1993. This use is consistent with the those uses allowed in the C-l and C-O zoning districts and is not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. Staff recommends the standard conditions addressing signage and the sale of antiques be included. - There being no discussion, Chairwoman Matthies called for a motion. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY SCHIFFNER AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE AT 117 SOUTH MAIN STREET SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDmONS: 1. No used clothing and appliances (large or small), or any other items normally found in a II thrift II store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. 2. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. STAFF COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. - COMMlTI"jt;E COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMl"rl'jt;E WAS ADJOURNED AT 7:28 P.M. ~J~'yY1.~~ ERICKA MATTHIES, CHAIRWOMAN - Respectfully Submitted, ~~ Recording Secretary MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE JUNE 19, 1996 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 19, 1996, WAS CALLED FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. Respectfully submitted, ~ W~-j~Mr Linda Grin&-- 'UK> VC/ Recording Secretary MINUTES SPECIAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, JUNE 26, 1996 ****************************************************************************** CALL TO ORDER - The Special Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 10:08 a.m. by Vice Chairman Sands. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Vice Chairman Sands. ROLL CALL ABSENT: COMMl'rI'EE MEMBERS: SANDS, SCHIFFNER AND WILSEY. ALLENBACH AND MATI"HIES. PRESENT: COMMITfEE MEMBERS: Also Present were: Associate Planner De Gange and Deputy City Clerk Bryning. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the Public Comments Section was closed DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Desip Aooroval for Chance of Face for Two Si~ - 217 N. Main Street - Food Smarts SaIvaIe Groceries. Associate Planner De Gange explained that the proposal is a Design Application for two signs; one is a free standing pole sign; and the other is a wall sign located at 217 N. Main Street, known as Food Smarts Salvage Groceries, formerly known as Alamo Market. He noted that this application is for approval of a change of face for a free standing pole sign. He further noted that this will entail the change of sign panels which measure 32 square foot each. He further explained that the existing sign is legally non-conforming on the basis of itls size. He pointed out the criteria of the Historic Downtown requirements and noted that this sign does not conform. Associate Planner De Gange pointed out that the signs were approved and in existence prior to the Historic Downtown Design Standards and the current Zoning Code. He stated that the second application is for a change of face on the building and is a single paneL He noted that both signs are proposed to have a white background with blue lettering. He stated that the business has changed itls name and this is an attempt to improve the general aesthetes of the business. He further noted that the Code states that all nonconforming signs must be brought into conformance or removed at such time as the sign is changed in any way, including a change of face, however the sign can be replaced if damaged under provisions of Section 17.72 of the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code. He explained that this would be done at the decision of the Design Review Committee. He stated that the signs, other than size, do meet the criteria established by Design Standards. He explained that the building sign is a sign can and this would also have to fall into the criteria that the sign bas been damaged, then the sign can be addressed Associate Planner De Gange stated that it is stafrs recommendation that the DRC consider the applicant IS request based on the opinion that the proposal represents a significant improvement in the signage which currently exists. Vice Chairman Sands then opened the discussion and asked the applicant to address the Committee. Charlene Proctor, 217 N. Main St., stated that she made this application because they wish to change the name on the sign, but the most important reason is to PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMl\U'ITEK MINUTES - JUNE 26, 1996 upgrade and repair the signs. She explained that they are in disrepair and they are trying to improve and upgrade the business and the property. She made note of the fact that they have tried to improve the parking lot and have even done the maintenance and upkeep on the old bank, at their own expense, in order to keep the corner looking nice. She asked that the Committee consider her request. Committee Member SchifTner clarified the Code regarding replacement. Associate Planner De Gange clarified the fact that the sign could remain as long as the proposal was to repair existing damage. Committee Member SchitTner clarified the fact that if the signs were not damaged then they would not be able to replace the existing signs, but would have to tear them down. Associate Planner De Gange confmned Committee Member Schiffner stated that after looking at the exhibits, he felt that since the signs were damaged that the replacement would be an improvement in the area and he would be in favor of this action. - Committee Member Wilsey stated that the photographs show that damage is evident. He asked if the box sign underneath the pole sign would be removed Ms. Proctor stated that if it is possible to remove that box sign, then it will be removed. Committee Member Wilsey stated that possibly the sign company could remove that portion of it for them when they are doing the pole sign. He stated that visually the sign lacks something and looks too plain. He asked how thick the border of the sign would be. Ms. Proctor stated that the border is part of the sign box. Committee Member Wilsey asked if the applicant would consider some type of scrolling to add visual interest. He suggested that the applicant might want to use red to give the sign a little more color variation as long as it meets the Standards. Associate Planner De Gange stated that statT would be glad to work with the applicant to design a sign that would meet the Standards. Vice Chairman Sands questioned the can sign. Associate Planner De Gange stated that the code requires channel letters and that this sign does not conform to the current Design Standards, however due to damage the sign can be replaced because of that damage. Vice Chairman Sands stated that he does not like the word salvage which he personally feels is downgrading. - Committee Member Wilsey stated that there should be a more appropriate word than salvage. Ms. Proctor stated that the store sells below cost groceries, however there is another business which uses the name Below Cost Groceries, so they were prevented from using that name. She stated that they donlt have to put Salvage Groceries on the sign, but it is dented cans and box tops that have been cut but the inside merchandise is not damaged, so they call it salvage. Vice Chairman Sands stated that he is aware of the idea behind it. Ms. Proctor stated that she would have no problem in changing the word salvage. Committee Member Wilsey asked if her store sold in case lots. Ms. Proctor stated that some is and some isnlt, and depends on what they get from their supplier. Committee Member Schiffner stated that the word "Discount" would convey the idea that it is something ditTerent, but would not give the attitude that salvage merchandise would convey. Committee Member Wilsey stated that salvage tends to mean something like salvage vehicles and can imply trashy. Ms. Proctor again stated that she would have no problem changing the word. - MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY waSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE BOTH SIGNS LOCATED AT 217 N. MAIN STREET, WI"'H STAFF TO REVIEW FINAL SlGNAGE INCLUDING ADDmON OF SCROLLING OR O....H.KK ADDmONAL DECORATIVE BORDER WITH THE POSSIBLE USE OF A DARK RED AS FOUND ON THE COLOR CHART FOR THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DESIGN STANDARDS; AS WELL AS THE USE OF THE WORD DISCOUNT INSTEAD OF THE WORD SALVAGE. Vice Chairman Sands thanked Ms. Proctor for attending. - PAGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMrrl'.K,K MINUTES - JUNE 26, 1996 HA~n, Auto-OrientedlFacade Sip - 117 S. Main Street - Memory Lane Antiaues. 2. Associate Planner De Gange stated that this is a request to review and approve a proposal for a banging auto-oriented facade sign for Memory Lane Antiques located at 117 South Main Street. He explained that the sign is mounted on the building at this time, but he did not feel that it was the applicants fault that action was taken prior to this application. He noted that they were given the impression that the sign company would follow through with the application and permit. Associate Planner De Gange stated that the Design Standards for the Historic Elsinore Overlay District with resect to size and style of lettering and architecture; however, the Standards do not specifically address hanging signs as a primary wall sign. He noted that the applicant choose this type of signage to prevent the public from thinking that they were the only business in the building. He explained that because this sign does not project any significant distance from the wall it almost appears as though it is attached flush to the building, however it does bang approximately 6 inches below the building face into the entryway and is free banging. He further explained that it would be up to DRC to interpret this type of signage. Committee Member Wilsey asked about the portable free standing sign on the sidewalk. Associate Planner De Gange explained that the Design Standards allow the statY liaison to approve free standing sidewalk signage as long as the sign meets all the standards. Vice Chairman Sands asked if the banging sign is bolted to the wall. Associate Planner De Gange stated that it was not and explained how it was hung. Committee Member Wilsey stated that in case of a strong wind that the hook aspect should be addressed to prevent the sign from coming loose and injuring a pedestrian. Associate Planner De Gange suggested that the Building Inspector make inspection of the sign for safety to prevent any liability. Committee Member SchitTner commented that the sign is hung in that manner to indicate that it is that pedicular business and stated that it seems that if the other businesses wish to put up signs in the future, then it should conform to signage that is on the building and hung the same way. Committee Member Wilsey asked what the advantage of hanging the sign in its present location instead of going back against the wall of the building in the same location and mounting it with a stationary bolt. Associate Planner De Gange stated that he does not know. Committee Member Wilsey stated that he felt that instead of hanging it from hooks they could have gone against the building and still had plenty of wall space. Committee Member Schiffner suggested that the sign be fll'm1y attached to the building. He stated that even if they did not change the location of the sign it could be attached to the wall and be safer then it is at present time. Vice Chairman Sands stated that if the other tenants wish to do signage it should conform in size to the existing sign. Committee Member Schiffner stated that any other sign that might be placed should be the same in size, color and lettering. Associate Planner De Gange stated that the signage is figured on the square foot of frontage and the other stores could not place a sign as large as the existing. He explained that the size of the sign depends on the amount of frontage that each store has. Committee Member Schiffner stated that he meant the height of the sign and not the width. He explained that if be was going to see three signs that he would like to see them with the same design; the same color; and the same lettering. Committee Member Wilsey stated that from his perspective he felt that the applicant did a great job with both the sign and the sidewalk sign projecting the 1920's image PAGE FOUR - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES _ JUNE 26, 1996 that the City is trying to create in the Downtown area. He pointed out that the building projects that period as well and overall it is a good look. Committee Member SchitTner stated that he would not object to the sign hanging provided that it is structurally sound, but he would prefer to see it bolted to the wall even in its current location. Vice Chairman Sands pointed out that the sandwich board signs do not look nearly as good as the upright sidewalk sign at this location. Associate Planner De Gange explained that sidewalk signs are reviewed and approved by staff. - Committee Member SchitTner stated that all of the sings for that building should be the same. Committee Member Wilsey pointed out that the type of framework and metal that they have used on the antique sign and noted that is more indicative of the look that the City is trying to achieve rather than the sandwich board that have been used. He suggested that staff' talk to the applicant to find out where they acquired the framework and possibly pass that information on to some of the other merchants that would like to do portable signs. He noted that in the future staff' might considered making that part of the criteria for sidewalk signage. Vice Chairman Sands stated that the Committee should try to control the sidewalk signage before it gets out of hand. Committee Member SchitTner stated that he likes the style of sign, but he would not like to see every sign up and down the sidewalk exactly alike. Associate Planner De Gange stated that perhaps what he could do is develop some type of handout that he can provide to applicants to help guide their choices. - MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY SCHIFFNER AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A HANGING AUTO/FACADE SIGN, WCATED AT 117 S. MAIN STREET, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE SIGN BE MOUNTED ONTO THE FACE OF THE BUILDING DIRECTLY BEHIND WHERE IT IS FREE HANGING AT THIS TIME. 3. A Request for a TemDOrary Banner - 132 W. Graham Avenue - Lake Elsinore Historical Society. Associate Planner De Gange noted that this is a request for a banner which would be mounted on the weekends. He explained that according to the Code a banner is allowed to be placed on the building for a period of 30 days, four times a year. He further explained that this does not address their needs since they are only open on the weekends. The wish to post the banner from 1:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.rn. each weekend. Committee Member Wilsey asked if they would be removing it when they are not there. Associate Planner De Gange stated that they would. He noted that the banner would be used to draw attention to the fact that they are there and would be taken down every evening. Committee Member Wilsey asked if there was a way that they could do a wooden sign that would be on a scale and mass that would be appropriate for the building _ they are in. He suggested that it could be hung on hooks and removed with ease. Associate Planner De Gange stated that he would propose this idea to the group since they want to do this on a semi-permanent basis. He explained that they do have a sandwich board that they are using that has been tastefully done, but they are looking for another way to draw attention to the facility. Committee Member Schiffner asked where they were going to hang this banner. Associate Planner De Gange stated that they would be on the building. PAGE FIVE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMI'ITEE MINUTES - JUNE 26, 1996 Committee Member Wilsey asked if they had the banner made up at this time. Associate Planner De Gange stated that they did not. Committee Member Wilsey stated that it would depend upon where they wished to hang it and the size of the sign. Associate Planner De Gange stated that he would take the suggestions of the Committee back to the applicant and they can bring this item back at a later time. Committee Member SchifTner stated that a banner does get attention, but he did feel that on a semi-permanent basis he would like to see something a little more appropriate to the building. He stated that if they had a nice sign, then the Committee might allow flags to be used to gain attention. THE APPLICATION FOR SIGNAGE FOR THE BISTORICAL MUSEUM IS TABLED BY CONSENSUS BY THE COMMl'rrK~ FOR FURTHEK CONSIDERATION, WITH STAFF TO WORK wrI'H THE APPLICANT FOR AN ALTERNATE TYPE OF SIGNAGE. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 4. 117 S. Main Street - Southern California Vehicle Wholesalers - Haif Stepanian. Associate Planner De Gange explained that the applicant is asking for a license to establish an office in the upper unit of the building. He noted that this is a business that takes orders for cars and trucks, then he places the order and the vehicles are then moved from different locations. Committee Member Wilsey stated that this is the type of business where the person works a computer network business. Committee Member SchifTner and Vice Chairman Sands questioned signage. Associate Planner De Gange stated that at this time the applicant had no desire to address signage. This is for office space only. He explained that this is an interior office space and there are no exterior windows. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY SCHIFFNER AND CAlUUED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATION FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA VEmCLE WHOLESALE LOCATED AT 117 SOUTH MAIN STREET, WITH THE STANDARD NOTIFICATION FOR SIGNAGE. s. 141 N. Main Street - Chuckles Java Junction. Associate Planner De Gange explained that the Jacksons are in process of purchasing 141 N. Main Street and wish to relocate their business from 123 B N. Main Street to the new address. The previous business located at 141 N. Main Street was the Main Street Trading Post. He noted that this is a relocation of the existing business and has already been approved. - Committee Member Wilsey asked if their signage was removable and relocatable. Associate Planner De Gange stated that the upper facade sign is relocatable, but he was not sure if the window signage could be relocated. Committee Member Wilsey asked if the applicant had requested sign approval or if it is necessary. Associate Planner De Gange stated that he has not made application for sign approval and it is necessary. He explained that in the staff report it asks that the Committee required sign approval as one of the conditions should the applicant be approved. Committee Member SchifTner stated that he would want to be sure that when the building is vacated at 123 B N. Main that all of the signage be removed. He explained that he would like to see that condition included with Conditions of Approval, that when the business leaves that all of the signage is removed as well. PAGE SIX - DESIGN REVIEW COMMl'ITEE MINUTES - JUNE 26, 1996 Associate Planner De Gange explained that one of the application forms includes a requirement that the owner of the building sign an agreement that if that business leaves and they leave their signage up, the owner of the building is responsible to remove it. Vice Chairman Sands stated that this should be a nice move for this business since they will have a lot more room. Associate Planner De Gange stated that there is a possibility that they might reside there as well, since there are living quarters in the building. - MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATION FOR CHUCKLES JAVA JUNCTION LOCATED AT 141 N. MAIN STREET, WITH THE CONDmONS THAT AT THE TIME OF RELOCATION THAT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SIGN AGE AND ANY NEW SlGNAGE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMkn-l'EK AND MUST BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE msrORIC LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN STANDARDS; AND ALL SlGNAGE FROM THE SITE LOCATED AT 123 B NORTH MAIN STREET MUST BE REMOVED. STAFF COMMENTS Associate Planner De Gange thanked the Committee Members for attending today's Special Meeting. COMMlTl'EK COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY SCHIFFNER AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE SPECIAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMlTI'EK MEETING AT 10:55 A.M. - ~~ SANDS, VICE CHAIRMAN DESIGN REVIEW COMMrrI'EK Respectfully Submitted: - MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE JULY 03, 1996 - THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR JULY 03, 1996, WAS CALLED FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. Respectfully submitted, ~~~ Linda Grindstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVJEW COMMITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY , JULY 17, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:20 p.m. by Chairwoman Ma_tthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBER: SANDS, ALLENBACH, SCHll'.lfNER, MATTHIES ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBER: WILSEY Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie and Associate Planners De \. Gange and Villa. " MINUTE ACTION Moved by Allenbach, Seconded by Schiffner and carried by unanimous vote of those present to approve the Minutes of June 5, 1996 and June 26, 1996, as submitted. The Minutes of June 19, 1996 and July 3, 1996 were ordered received and nIed. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. AT THIS TIME, ASSOCIATE PLANNER DE GANGE REQUESTED THE COMMITTEE CONSIDER ADDING A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR TOOTSIE'S STUFF TO THE AGENDA. BE STATED THE REPORT LISTS THE ADDRESS AS 117B SOUTH MAIN STREET, THIS IS A TYPOGRAPmCAL ERROR. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO RELOCATE THE CURRENT BUSINESS FROM 117B SOUTH MAIN STREET TO 112 NORTH MAIN STREET. . MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY ALLENBACH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADD A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR 112 NORTH MAIN STREET ('fOOTSIE'S STUFF) TO THE AGENDA. DESIGN APPLICATIONS NONE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 1. 148 South Main Street - NP Ener~y - Larry Re~is Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is for a business license to operate administrative offices for an oil, gas and mining company at 148 South Main Street. Previously this building housed a medical supply business (pacific Medical Supply) and in 1994 the DRC approved a chiropractors office (Chiropractic Rehab Center) at this address; however, the building was never occupied and has been vacant for approximately 3 years. This use is consistent with those uses allowed in the C-l and C-O zoning districts and is not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. Committee Member Allenbach asked about the type of operation. Associate Planner De Gange explained the business license application lists the type of business as administrative offices for an oil, gas and mining company. Committee Member Schiffner asked about signage. Associate Planner De Gange explained that an application for window signage was submitted on July 15th and this signage application will come before the DRC in the near future. PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - JULY 17, 1996 MOVED BY SCHllff4'NER, SECONDED BY SANDS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE AT 148 SOUTH MAIN STREET SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITION: 1. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. - 2. 112 North Main Street - Tootsie's Stuff Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is for a business license to relocate the current antique, collectible and craft store from 117-B South Main to a new location at 112 North Main. Previously the proposed building housed The Justice Connection. This use is consistent with the uses allowed in the C-l and C-O zoning districts and is not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. He explained that an application for window signage has been submitted and will come before the DRC in the near future. Staff recommends the standard conditions addressing signage and the sale of antiques be included. Committee Member Schiffner asked about signage at the existing location. Associate Planner De Gange explained that the DRC granted approval for window sign age in May; however, this signage was never painted. The applicant utilized temporary window signage which has been removed. MOVED BY SANDS, SECONDED BY SCH.IJ4'f4'NER AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS UCENSE AT 112 NORTH MAIN STREET SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: - 1. No used clothing and appliances (large or small), or any other items normally found in a II thrift II store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold. Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. 2. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. STAFF COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMlTfEE COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMlTfEE WAS ADJOURNED AT 7:25 PM.. - ~~~ ERICKA MATTHIES, CHAIRWOMAN MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMI'ITEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 7, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 8:19 p.m. by Chairman Sands. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: SANDS, BARNES, SCHIFFNER, MATTHIES, WILSEY ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie and Associate Planners De Gange and Villa. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Committee Member Matthies, Seconded by Committee Member Schiffner and carried by a vote of 3-0 with Committee Members Wilsey and Barnes abstaining to approve the Minutes of July 17, 1996, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Window Si~n for Tootsie's StutT - 112 North Main Street - Janis Marie Kni~ht Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is to place a window sign on the main display window that entails painting black letters on the inside of the window face that encompasses approximately 7.2 square feet which is 19 % of the window face. The Design Standards only regulate the amount of window face which can be covered and stipulates that a maximum of 50 % of the window face can be covered. The signage proposed meets the requirements of the Design Standards in terms of lettering, coloring and size. Committee Member Wilsey referred to Mel's Radio & TV illustrated on the design and asked whether this business was still in operation. Associate Planner De Gange stated that he owns both units and believes this business is still in operation. Committee Member Barnes asked about the black lettering and whether this would be visible. Associate Planner De Gange explained that this is a relocation and at the previous location white lace curtains were hung in the window as a backdrop. There being no further discussion Chairman Sands called for a motion. MOVED BY MATl'HJES, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE WINDOW SIGN AT 112 NORTH MAIN STREET (TOOTSIE'S STUFF). 2. Window Si~n for N.P. Enert:v ComDany - 148 South Main Street - Larry Reeis Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is for a window sign to be painted on the front entryway door and encompasses 3 square feet which is 13 % of the window face. The Design Standards only regulate the amount of window face which can be covered and stipulates that a maximum of 50 % of the window face can be covered. The sign entails white lettering with a black outline and accenting with PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - AUGUST 7, 1996 gold and silver, and secondary lettering will be silver. The signage proposed meets the requirements of the Design Standards in terms of lettering, coloring and size. There being no discussion Chairman Sands called for a motion. MOVED BY MArl'HlES, SECONDED BY SCHIFFNER AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE WINDOW SIGN AT 148 SOUTH MAIN STREET (N.P. ENERGY COMPANY). BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS - NONE STAFF COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMI'ITEE COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMI'ITEE WAS ADJOURNED AT 8:25 P.M. ~An'1.L- 0\. ~~ ~:SSANDS,CHAIRMAN - Respectfully Submitted, - MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITfEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 21, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:24 p.m. by Chairman Sands. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: SANDS, BARNES, SCHIFFNER, WILSEY ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: MATTHIES Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie and Associate Planner Villa. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Committee Member Wilsey, Seconded by Committee Member Schiffner and carried by a vote of 4-0 to approve the Minutes of August 7, 1996, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. DESIGN APPLICATIONS NONE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS NONE STAFF COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMl"lTKE COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY COMMITfEE MEMBER SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY COMMITfEE MEMBER WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMl"lTEE AT 7:25 P.M. (1 !,~/~ tJ, sL{O./lv-..4=::> o JAMESSANDS,CHA~AN Respectfully Submitted, ~- ~. iDda~~aIJ ~ Recording Secretary MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SEPTEMBER 04, 1996 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 04, 1996, WAS CALLED FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. Respectfully submitted, ~~ Linda Grindstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SEPTEMBER 18, 1996 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 18, 1996, WAS CALLED FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. Respectfully submitted, ~~ Linda Grindstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE OCTOBER 2, 1996 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 2, 1996, WAS CALLED. Respectfully submitted, ~~~ Linda Grindstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES SPECIAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 2, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 10:18 a.m. by Chainnan Sands. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Sands. - ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: BARNES, SCHIFFNER, WILSEY, SANDS ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: MA1"I'HIES Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie and Associate Planner Villa. AT THIS TIME, COMMUNITY DEVEWPMENT DIRECfOR LESLIE REQUESTED THE COMMrrl'.EE CONSIDER ADDING A REQUEST FROM ELSINORE CHRISTIAN CENTER. TO UTILIZE 112 NORTH MAIN FOR THE OPERATION OF WEEKLY SUNDAY SCHOOL CLASSES ON A TEMPORARY BASIS. MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CAllRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADD 112 NORTH MAIN STREET TO THE AGENDA. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Sipa~e - 132 West Graham - The Lake Elsinore Historical Society Associate Planner Villa explained the request is for the installation of a wall sign. The proposed sign measures two-feet by eight-feet and is to be painted with a beige background and dark brown lettering and border. Also, the sign is to have a twelve-inch by eighteen- inch attachment that will hang from the lower right hand corner of the main sign indicating whether the museum is open or closed. This sign meets the Design Standards for the Historic Elsinore Overlay District with respect to size, lettering, color and statT recommends approval. Community Development Director Leslie requested statrs recommendation be amended to reflect the rmallocation of the sign will be subject to administrative approval, and noted that discussions are ongoing with regard to location. He then asked if a representative from the Historical Society was present. Mariana Mohylyn stated she was a member of the Board, and this item was not brought up at the meeting yesterday. Ms. Mohylyn stated she would report the Design Review Committee's decision to the Board MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CAllRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE DESIGN OF THE SIGN FOR THE LAKE ELSINORE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AT 132 WEST GRAHAM AVENUE; HOWEVER, FINAL DETERMINATION ON THE LOCATION OF THE SIGNAGE SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 2. 120 West Graham - Pure Essence - Steve Cox Associate Planner Villa explained the request is for a business license to operate a retail collectible store at 120 West Graham. This use is consistent with those uses allowed in the C-l and C-O zoning districts and is not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards, and staff recommends approval with the standard conditions. Committee Member Wilsey asked Mr. Cox if he was aware of the conditions. Mr. Cox responded in the atl1rmative and stated he agrees with the conditions proposed. Mr. Cox PAGE TWO - SPECIAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING - OCTOBER 2, 1996 stated that they would like to repaint the outside of the building white with hunter green trim and asked that this approval be given concurrently. A brief discussion ensued on whether paint schemes require Design Review Committee approval or administrative approval. Committee Member Wilsey then inquired about signage. Mr. Cox stated an application for signage will be submitted next week. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY SCHIFFNER AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS UCENSE AT 120 WEST GRAHAM AVENUE SUBJECT TO THE FOLWWlNG CONDIDONS: 1. No used clothing and appliances (large or small), or any other items normally found _ in a II thrift II store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold. Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. 2. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. 3. Temoorary Use of the Buildin~ at 112 North Main Street for Weekly Sunday School _ Elsinore Christian Center Associate Planner Villa explained that Elsinore Christian Center is requesting approval to utilize a vacant store front at 112 North Main on a temporary basis for the operation of Sunday school classes in conjunction with their Church facility at 119 East Graham. The request is based on a need for additional space for the Sunday school classrooms. The building would be utilized on Sundays from 9:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. with a maximum of 30 children occupying the building. Church uses within Commercial and Residential districts require a Conditional Use Permit (CUP). However, statT feels the operation of a Sunday school in a remote location in conjunction with an established church facility on a temporary basis is not an outright church use and should not necessarily require a CUP. _ This opinion is based on the fact that the use is temporary and a secondary use associated with and existing church operation. It is recommended the Design Review Committee consider this request. Chairman Sands asked whether adequate restroom facilities were available. Pastor Hillbrandt responded in the atTmnative. Committee Member Barnes asked Pastor Hillbrandt if he noted the conditions to maintain the two exits at all times while the building is occupied and that a fire extinguisher be installed on site. Pastor Hillbrandt responded in the affirmative. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY BARNES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE APPUCANTS REQUEST TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF A SUNDAY SCHOOL IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN EXISTING CHURCH FACILITY IN A STOREFRONT AT 112 NORTH MAIN ON A TEMPORARY BASIS. ADJOURNMENT THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMl\U"lTKK ADJOURNED AT 10:31 A.M. - Approved ~.~ ::r;: sz:: (/ ~ GrindStaff ~ Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 16, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:50 p.m. by Chairman Sands. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: SANDS, BARNES, SCHIFFNER, MATTHIES AND WILSEY ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie and Associate Planners De Gange and Villa. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Committee Member Wilsey, Seconded by Committee Member Schiffner to approve the Minutes of August 21, 1996, September 4, 1996, September 18, 1996, October 2, 1996 Regular Meeting and October 2, 1996, Special Meeting as submitted. Motion carried by a vote of 4-0 with Committee Member Matthies abstaining on the Minutes of August 21 and October 2, 1996, Special Meeting. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. DESIGN APPLICATIONS NONE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS NONE STAFF COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMITTEE COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE ADJOURNED AT 7:52 P.M. ~~~~,~- Respectfully Submitted, MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE NOVEMBER 6, 1996 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 6, 1996, WAS CALLED FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. Respectfully submitted, ~~~. Linda Grindstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITfEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:17 p.m. by Chairman Sands. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: SANDS, BARNES, SCIDFFNER, MATTIDES AND WILSEY ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie, Associate Planners De Gange and Villa, and Engineering Manager O'Donnell. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Committee Member Schiffner, Seconded by Committee Member Barnes and carried by unanimous vote to approve the Minutes of October 16, and November 6, 1996 as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Window Signage 117-B South Main Street - Marilyn Hougan - Marilyn's Memories Associate Planner De Gange explained the proposal is to place a 7.5 square foot sign consisting of white vinyl lettering on the main display window. The sign will occupy approximately 18% of the window face. The signage proposed meets the requirements of the Design Standards in terms of lettering, coloring and size; therefore, staff recommends approval. Chairman Sands noted for the record that the applicant was not present. He then asked for discussion. There being no discussion he called for a motion. MOVED BY COMMI'ITEE MEMBER MATI'lIlliS, SECONDED BY COMMI'ITEE MEMBER SCIIUfJfNER AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE WINDOW SIGNAGE AT 117-B SOUTH MAIN STREET. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 2. 117-B South Main Street - Marilyn Houean - Marilyn's Memories Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is for a business license to operate an antique, collectible and gift store. Previously, this unit was occupied by Tootsie's Stuff Antiques and Collectibles. This unit has been vacant since August of this year. This use is consistent with the uses allowed in the C-l and C-O zoning districts and is not prohibited by the ffistoric Elsinore Design Standards; therefore, staff recommends approval with the standard condition prohibiting the sale of thrift store type items. Chairman Sands noted for the record that the applicant was not present. He then asked for discussion. There being no discussion he called for a motion. MOVED BY COMMI'ITEE MEMBER WILSEY, SECONDED BY COMMI'ITEE MEMBER BARNES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR MARILYN'S MEMORIES AT 117-B SOUTH MAIN PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - NOVEMBER 20, 1996 STREET WITH THE FOLWWING CONDmON PLACED ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE: Condition No.1. No used clothing and appliances (large or small), or any other items normally found in a "thrift" store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold. Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. 3. 106 North Main Street - Intimamente Ardvss Internacional Inc. - Laticia Jimenez - Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is for a business license to operate a retail catalog business and distribution center for independent sales representatives who will be selling intimate apparel (lingerie). This use involves retail catalog sales and a distribution center that would provide independent sales persons a location to place and fill orders, and it is this aspect of the business that is of concern to staff. This aspect would be inclined to be more consistent with uses allowed in the C-M zone; therefore, it may not be considered consistent with the C-l and C-O district. However, the distribution portion is of small scale and not considered the type of business anticipated in a standard distribution type of business that would involve warehousing and the retail catalog portion of the business does appear to meet the C-l and c-o zoning standards. Staff recommends the DRC consider this request. Chairman Sands noted for the record that the applicant was not present. He then asked for discussion. Committee Member Matthies asked whether this use would fall under the Adult Business Ordinance. Asked if merchandise would be sold to the public on a walk-in basis, and if merchandise is limited to lingerie or if adult books, videos and material would be sold. Associate Planner De Gange stated the public could walk-in and place orders, and understands the merchandise to be sold is just lingerie. But if the desire is to approve the business license, a condition can be added stipulating that the type of merchandise to be sold is to be strictly associated with lingerie and not any other type of adult business. Community Development Director Leslie stated the sale of lingerie would not fall under the adult business classification, but if live models were used at the premises it would be another matter. Community Development Director Leslie stated that if merchandise was included for sale that did fall under the Adult Business Ordinance, such as: printed material and videos, it would not be covered by this approval and they would have to comply with that ordinance. - Committee Member Schiffner stated he favored permitting the business unless it is an absolute violation of the intent of our ordinances. Committee Member Wilsey stated he did not have a concern with the business being a catalog store or distribution for their sales people, small scale. But would have a concern if they were to have live models--displaying or modeling merchandise on the premises, or displays in the front windows of suggestive/intimate material. Asked about adding a condition prohibiting the display of merchandise, confine to catalog sales only, and asked staff for verbiage. Community Development Director Leslie suggested the following verbiage "due to the uncertainty of the complete nature of the business this approval is only for an office use, distribution for independent sales people, retail catalog orders and pick-up, any other aspect would have to be brought back to the DRC for further review." Committee Member Barnes stated concurrence with Committee Member Wilsey. He then inquired about access for delivery trucks, time line for deliveries and whether there is parking available for the sales representatives. Associate Planner De Gange stated that deliveries can be made at the rear of the building, and at this time cannot tell what the time line for deliveries will be. Committee Member Barnes asked staff to provide clarification on the walk-in retail sales, as the application indicates no retail sales. Community Development Director Leslie stated staff was informed by the applicant that they will not necessarily have merchandise on the premises, and explained that a PAGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - NOVEMBER 20, 1996 customer can review the catalog, place an order and then come back and pick-up the order. This is staff's understanding of the business and if they propose something other than this it will have to come back for review. Chairman Sands stated he was disappointed the applicant was not present to answer questions, because there are several questions that need to be answered pertaining to walk-in customers, window/counter displays, number of sales staff and number of employees on the premises, and security for the distribution center. He then stated the key word in this request is compatibility and the intent of the standards of the district are not met. Committee Member Wilsey stated that Committee Member Barnes pointed out the application indicates no retail sales. Associate Planner De Gange stated staff informed the applicant that this use may not be permitted in this zone and subsequent to the actual business license submittal the applicant informed staff that retail would be part of the application, unfortunately the application does not reflect this. A brief discussion was held on the floor plan submitted and displays not being included according to the floor plan. Chairman Sands recommended postponement of this application until staff can contact the applicant and get clarification on the issues. Discussion ensued the retail sales aspect of this use, and the Historic Elsinore District Regulations providing latitude to the DRC in approving business licenses. MOVED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER MATTHIES, SECONDED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER SCmFFNER AND CARRIED BY A 3-2 VOTE WITH COMMITTEE MEMBERS BARNES AND SANDS CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR INTIMAMENTE ARDYSS INTERNACIONAL INC. AT 106 NORTH MAIN STREET. Committee Member Wilsey asked if the motion included the condition to prohibit the display of merchandise. COMMI'ITEEMEMBERMArnnES AMENDED HER MOTION ANDCOMMI'ITEE MEMBER SCHIFFNER AMENDED IDS SECOND AND CARRIED BY A 3-2 VOTE WITH COMMI'ITEE MEMBERS BARNES AND SANDS CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR INTIMAMENTE ARDYSS INTERNACIONAL INC. AT 106 NORm MAIN STREET WITH A CONDmON TO BE PLACED ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE PROHIBITING THE DISPLAY OF MERCHANDISE AND mAT SIGN AGE FOR mIS BUSINESS BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE DRC. Condition No. 1. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. Condition No.2. Due to the uncertainty of the complete nature of the business this approval is only for an office use, distribution for independent sales people, retail catalog orders and pick-up; any other aspect would have to be brought back to the DRC for further review. STAFF COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. PAGE FOUR - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - NOVEMBER 20, 1996 COMMITIEE COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. AnJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITIEE AnJOURNED AT 7:50 P.M. - ~ti.~/ ./ JAMES SANDS, CHAIRMAN Respectfully Submitted, ~~ inda Grindstaff ~~ Recording Secretary - MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 04, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:40 p.m. by Chairman Sands. - ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: SANDS, BARNES, SCIDFFNER, MATTHIES AND WILSEY ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: Community Development Director Leslie and Engineering Manager OIDonnell. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Committee Member Wilsey, Seconded by Committee Member Matthies and carried by unanimous vote to approve the Minutes of November 20, 1996 as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section was closed. At this time, Community Development Director Leslie requested the Committee consider adding a business license application for Computer Dynamics at 120-1/2 North Main Street to the agenda. MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY BARNES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADD THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR COMPUTER DYNAMICS TO THE AGENDA. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Window Signage 106 North Main Street - Intimamente Ardyss Internacional Inc. - Laticia Jimenez Community Development Director Leslie explained the proposal is to place a 9 square foot sign on the main display window. The Business License for this proposal was approved by the DRC at their last meeting. Staff has reviewed the signage proposal and finds it in conformance with the standards as set forth in the Historical Elsinore Design Standards and on that basis recommends approval. Chairman Sands asked if the applicant was present. Community Development Director Leslie stated staff contacted the applicant to see if they would be at the meeting and it was indicated that they would not be present. Committee Member Wilsey questioned the green neon light sign. Community Development Director Leslie explained there are no regulations for signage proposed inside a window. Committee Member Barnes commented on the content of the proposed sign and asked whether it would be allowed if it were in English, and stated he did not think it would be allowed--not appropriate for the Downtown area. He stated the word IIVientre has more than one meaning in Spanish and provided a translation. He stated that if the DRC were to approve would recommend the words II Busto, Abdouen, Gluteos and Vientrell be removed from the sign as they are not necessary nor appropriate, and provided a translation. PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - DECEMBER 04, 1996 MOVED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER WILSEY, SECONDED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO DENY THE WINDOW SIGNAGE PROPOSED FOR INTIMAMENTE ARDYSS INTERNACIONAL INC. AT 106 NORTH MAIN STREET. Community Development Director Leslie asked for clarification, what is the denial based on? Committee Member Wilsey stated it is inappropriate for the Downtown and suggested something be brought back with just their name, distributor and an English translation. Committee Member Matthies suggested English subtitles if necessary. Committee Member Barnes stated the top part of sign is okay and results is okay, but the other four words are not appropriate in Spanish or English. - Community Development Director Leslie asked if the offending words are removed and the applicant agrees, on her own accord, to add an English translation on the remaining signage that may need it, whether this would be something the DRC would allow staff to approve at staff level. Committee Member Schiffner stated he does not care if translation is provided as long as offending words are not included in any language and the language is appropriate for the Downtown area. Committee Member Barnes stated he voted against the approval of this business due to the concern on the sale of merchandise, and this reconfirmed the concerns. Chairman Sands stated the consensus of the DRC is that the top portion of the sign is acceptable and the bottom portion is not. Committee Member Matthies asked if the words "Resultados Immediatos and Tratamiento Remodelador deFigura" were acceptable. Committee Member Wilsey stated he did not want anything below the word "Autoizador", but could say fashion or intimate apparel something like that, as this says it all and does it tastefully, and asked for the desire of the DRC on staffs request. Committee Member Schiffner stated he has no objection to staff handling at staff level as they know what the DRC does not like about this sign and the last four lines on the proposed sign should be omitted, and suggested leaving it rejected and let the applicant resubmit and for the benefit of the DRC include English translations. Community Development Director Leslie stated that if the DRC agrees, if the last four lines are removed then staff can approve/allow the sign, and if the applicant wants to add something back in that area, more general in nature, then staff can review and if staff is uncomfortable then bring it back to the DRC. - COMMITIEE MEMBER WILSEY AMENDED ms MOTION WITH CONCURRENCE FROM COMMITIEE MEMBER MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE THAT THE TOP PORTION OF THE PROPOSED SIGN IS ACCEPTABLE BUT THE BOTIOM PORTION IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND INDICATED THAT A REVISED WINDOW SIGN PROPOSAL IS TO BE SUBMITl'KD TO STAFF AND GRANTED STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE REVISED SIGN PROPOSAL. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 2. 120 North Main Street - Pure Essence - Steve Cox Community Development Director Leslie explained the request is for a business license for the relocation of an existing retail collectible business, from 120 West Graham to 120 North Main. Based on the fact that it is an antique/collectible business and the business previously received approval by the DRC staff recommends approval at the new location with the standard conditions prohibiting the sale of thrift store items and signage. - MOVED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHllf~l~ER, SECONDED BY COMMITIEE MEMBER MATl'HlliS AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR 120 NORTH MAIN STREET WITH THE FOLWWING CONDffiONS TO BE PLACED ON THE BUSINESS P AGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - DECEMBER 04, 1996 LICENSE: Condition No.1. No used clothing and appliances (large or small), or any other items normally found in a "thrift" store (a prohibited use) shall be permitted to be sold. Any used merchandise which is not an antique shall be of high, collectible quality. Condition No.2. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. - 3. 120-112 North Main Street - Computer Dvnamics - RaIford Hutchins Community Development Director Leslie explained the request is for a business license to operate a computer sales and service business. The use is consistent with those allowed in the C-l and C-O zoning districts. Staff recommends approval with the standard condition pertaining to signage. MOVED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER MATImES, SECONDED BY COMMITIEE MEMBER wn.SEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR UO-l/2 NORTH MAIN STREET WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDmON PLACED ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE: Condition No.1. All signage shall be submitted to the Planning Department for the review and approval of the Design Review Committee (DRC), prior to installation. In addition, this signage shall be in compliance with the criteria established within the Historic Elsinore Design Standards and shall be submitted to the Planning Department for review and approval by the DRC. STAFF COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMITIEE COMMENTS NOTHING TO REPORT. ADJOURNMENT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITIEE ADJOURNED AT 8:00 P.M. ~~~ JAMES SANDS, CHAIRMAN Respectfully Submitted, ~~ Recording Secretary MINUTES SPECIAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 18, 1996 ***************************************************************** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 9:04 a.m. by Chairman Sands. - The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Committee Member Barnes. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: BARNES, SCHIFFNER, WILSEY, SANDS ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: MATTHIES Also present was John De Gange. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Freestandin~ Pole Sign Change of Face - 316 North Main Street (Elsinore Hot Springs Health Resort rMotell) - Han Lee Associate Planner De Gange explained the request is to change the wording on an existing 25 foot high legally nonconforming freestanding pole sign from "Health Resort" to "Hot Springs Motel" to conform to a change in the name of the business, and a change in the colors from blue and red to navy blue and maroon. He then provided a brief history on the sign and explained that Section 17.72 (Nonconforming Uses) of the Municipal Code allows for repair or replacement if damaged, and that the applicant was allowed to change the sign face due to damage in October 1994. Whether the applicant would be allowed to make the changes proposed is a matter of interpretation as Section 17.94.070 of the Municipal Code states at the time a legal nonconforming sign is changed it must be brought into conformance or removed. Also, in October 1994, the approval was granted with a condition that the applicant paint the pole and cabinet housing; however, this condition was never met. Therefore, if the Design Review Committee decides to approve, staff would again recommend this condition be added with stronger verbiage. Chairman Sands noted for the record that the applicant was not present, and asked for discussion. Committee Member Barnes stated the Code should be enforced as significant changes are being proposed. He commented on the height and size of the sign and inquired whether this was done for freeway exposure in the past. Committee Member Barnes stated the mass type sign is not in keeping with the Downtown area and that a low monument entry statement would be more in what is trying to be achieved in the Downtown area. Committee Member Schiffner asked about the consequence if the sign is not approved. Associate Planner De Gange stated the sign would probably remain unchanged, and does not believe the applicant is financially capable of taking it down and replacing it with a new sign, or because of the size be willing to trade the visibility. Committee Member Schiffner then asked whether there were provisions to require removal of the sign. Associate Planner De Gange responded in the negative. Committee Member Schiffner stated he concurs with Committee Member Barnes, an opportunity to bring it into conformance. But if the sign remains in its present condition then we are defeating the purpose and believes there is an opportunity to bring it into conformance--maybe this is the best course of action to get it improved. PAGE TWO - SPECIAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING - DECEMBER 18, 1996 Committee Member Wilsey stated that in years past signage of this type was indicative of the community and has no problem with this type of sign in the Downtown, it is part of our heritage. He then commented on economics, particularly economics on Main Street, and believes the expense is prohibitive and it wouldn't change. Also, concerned with making a determination that goes against Title 17 with regard to the sign; however, if the sign were damaged would not mind the fascia change. Recommended this request be denied and the applicant asked to comply with the previous condition placed on the application in 1994, with regard to painting. Chairman Sands stated concurrence with the statements made and with the statement in the Staff Report that if the pole and cabinet are not painted the applicant shall be given a notice of violation and shall be subject to citation and possible fines. - Committee Member Schiffner asked whether new fees would be required if the applicant comes back with a new request, after some improvements have been made. Associate Planner De Gange explained that within Planning Area 1 of the Historic Downtown a fee is not required. MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO DENY THE FREEST ANDING POLE SIGN CHANGE OF FACE AT 316 NORTH MAIN STREET AND ADVISE THE APPLICANT THAT WHEN HE CONFORMS TO THE PREVIOUS REQUIREMENTS THAT A NEW APPLICATION MAY BE SUBMITTED. ADJOURNMENT THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE ADJOURNED AT 9:20 A.M. - Approved ~s~~~ ~s~ Einda Grindsfaff ~ Recording Secretary - MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE DECEMBER 18,1996 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 18, 1996 WAS CALLED. Respectfully submitted, ~d~~ {~~ ~~dstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE JANUARY 1, 1997 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 1, 1997, WAS CALLED DUE TO THE HOLIDAY (NEW YEAR'S DAY). Respectfully submitted, ~~~ Linda Grindstaff Recording Secretary