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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1994 Design Review Com MinutesCITY OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE (DRC) MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF JUNE 29, 1994 TIME AND PLACE: 9 :30 A.M. AT CITY HALL, CONFERENCE ROOM A **, k** a*** te***** s, k***********, k, k***** * * * * * * * *stea * *,t * * * *tete * * *,t *• CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order by Standing Vice Chairman Brinley at 9:30 a.m. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Vice Chairman Brinley. IN ATTENDANCE: DRC MEMBERS Pam Brinley, Vice Chairman Ray Grage Dan Metze ABSENT Gary Washburn, Chairman Sonya Matthies John De Gange MINUTE ACTION STAFF MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY GRAGE AND CARRIED BY A VOTE OF 2 -0 WITH BRINLEY ABSTAINING TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF APRIL 27, 1994. - None. DESIGN APPLICATION 1. Auto - Oriented Facade Sian - E1 Baby Feliz - 100 B North Main Street. Mr. De Gange noted that this is a request for an auto - oriented facade sign measuring 6' x 3' (18 square feet). He explained that the sign would be mounted on the upper facade above the main entry way. He noted that the building has 18 linear feet and the sign meets the Design Standards for the downtown Business District with respect to size, style of lettering. Mr. De Gange stated that staff has a concern regarding the fact that the building was designed for an inset sign and this proposed sign is to be mounted above the inset. He further stated that the fluorescent yellow green color being utilized for the border and a portion of the primary lettering is prohibited by the standards. It is recommended that as a condition of approval this color be repainted with an approved color. Vice Chairman Brinley asked if there was a representative of Mr. Diaz the applicant. There being none Vice Chairman Brinley stated that the sign was done without being brought before Design Review Committee and it is her recommendation that Mr. Diaz come in and work with staff Page Two Design Review Committee June 29, 1994 to conform to the requirements of the Design Standards and resubmit a sign that would be mounted in the indentation. Mr. Metze stated that the fluorescent paint is not acceptable. He further stated that the Committee had another business replace brackets in order to cover the indentation properly. He stated that this applicant should do the same thing or replace the sign with one that will go into the indentation. Mr. Grage stated that the space is too small to do an adequate sign; therefore, they should make the sign cover the indentation possibly with a larger border. It was the consensus of the Committee to create a sign with a larger border to cover the indentation and change the colors to conform to the Design Standards. Vice Chairman Brinley asked that Mr..De Gange remind the applicant that he will be appearing before the Planning Commission at the next meeting and that he will have to submit a color rendering and that there should be a representative present at the meeting. MOVED BY GRAGE, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF JULY 20, 1994. 2. Single - Family Residence at 411 Langstaff - Habitat for Humanity. Mr. De Gange explained that this is a request to review and approve a 1,088 square foot, three bedroom, single - story, dwelling to be constructed at 411 Langstaff Street. He stated that the structure would have a 420 square foot garage. Mr. De Gange stated that the dwelling will resemble the recommended "Bungalow" style as set by the Historic Elsinore Architectural Design Standards. Staff recommends that the Design Review Committee approve Minor Design Review for the dwelling subject to Conditions of Approval. Mr. Joseph D. Kelly stated that his organization is a non- profit organization and they will be building to the specifications of the Design Standards. Vice Chairman Brinley commended the Habitat for Humanity's work and stated that the family that will be getting the house will be very lucky. Mr. Kelly invited the Committee to the dedication, ground breaking and an introduction to the family who will be living in the house, on the 23rd of July at 411 Langstaff. Vice Chairman Brinley asked how the family is picked. Mr. Kelly stated that the organization has a family selection committee and it is done through application. Mr. Grage stated that it would be nice if it were possible to have one bathroom with a window in it. Mr. Kelly stated that there will be fans in the bathrooms. He stated that possibly a skylight would be an asset. Mr. Metze questioned Condition No. 3 and asked about the requirement of Class "A ". Mr. De Gange explained that UBC (Uniform Building Code) does not require Class "A ". Page Three Design Review Committee June 29, 1994 There was general discussion regarding the Class "A" verses Class "B" roofing materials. Mr. Kelly stated that it is their request that the Committee give them some latitude since they are using donated materials. Mr. Metze clarified the fencing requirement of Condition No. 7. He suggested that a steel post fronted by boards be used instead of 4 x 41s. NOTE: TITLE 17.14.130 E reads: Roofing: All new dwelling units, and dwelling units which are completely reroofed, shall utilize roofing materials with a minimum Class "A" fire rating. MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY GRAGE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE MINOR DESIGN REVIEW FOR THE DWELLING LOCATED AT 411 NORTH LANGSTAFF, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AS FOLLOWS WITH CHANGES IN CONDITION NO. 3 TO UTILIZE CLASS "A" ROOFING AND STEEL POSTS TO BE USED INSTEAD OF 4 x 4 WOOD POSTS: CONDITIONS - PLANNING DIVISION 1. Design Review approval will lapse and be void unless building permits are issued within one (1) year of the Design Review Committee approval date. Yearly extensions may be granted by the Community Development Director or designee upon request thirty (30) days prior to expiration. 2. Conditions of approval shall be reproduced on page one of building plans prior to their acceptance by Building Division. All Conditions of Approval shall be met prior to the issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy and release of utilities. 3. Applicant shall use roofing materials with a minimum of Class "A" fire rating. If asphalt roofing material is used on sloped roofs it shall be of the quality of Presidential Shake three dimensional shingles. Roofing material to be used shall be subject to the approval of the Community Development Manager or designee, prior to issuance of building permits. 4. The project shall connect to sewer if a sewer line is within 200 feet of the project boundary unless it is demonstrated to the satisfaction of the Chief Building Official that this is infeasible. If the project does not connect to sewer, applicant shall submit a Soils Report which includes a sewage disposal plan referenced to the grading plan and approved by the Riverside County Health Department. 5. Applicant shall plant street trees, selected from the City Street Tree List, a maximum of thirty feet (301) apart and twenty four inch (2411) box in size as to meet the approval of the Community Development Manager or designee. 6. All exterior air condition units, shall be ground mounted and screened so that they are not visible from neighboring property or public streets. Page Four Design Review Committee June 29, 1994 7. A six -foot (61) high fence shall be constructed along the side and rear property lines and shall conform to Section 17.14.080 (Fences and Walls), subject to the approval of the Community Development Manager or designee prior to issuance of Certificate of Occupancy. The use of chain - link fencing detracts from the overall 1920's concept, therefore is prohibited. Wall and fences over (31) feet in height in front yard areas are strongly discouraged. It is the overall intent to maintain a smooth transition between public and private spaces, and to maintain a "friendly" community identity. 8. Prior to issuance of building permits, applicant shall provide assurance that all required fees to the Lake Elsinore Unified School District have been paid. 9. Prior to issuance of building permits, applicant shall pay park -in -lieu fee in effect at time of building permit issuance. 10. The address (in numerals at least four inches (4" high) shall be displayed near the entrance and be visible from the front of the unit. ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT 11. All Public Works requirements shall be complied with as a condition of development as specified in the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code at the time a building permits is issued. 12. Dedicate underground water rights to the City (Municipal Code, Title 16, Chapter 16.52.030). Document can be obtained from the Engineering Department. 13. Pay all Capital Improvements and Plan Check fees (Municipal Code, Title 16, Chapter 16.37; Resolution No. 85 -26). 14. Submit a "Will- Serve" letter to the City Engineering Department, from the applicable water agency stating that water and sewer arrangements have been made for this project. Submit this letter prior to applying for building permit. 15. Construct all off -site public works improvements per approved street plans (Municipal Code, Title 12). Plans must be approved and signed by the City Engineer prior to issuance of building permits (Lake Elsinore Municipal Code 16.34). 16. Street improvements plans and specifications shall be prepared by a Civil Engineer. Improvements shall be designed and constructed to Riverside County Road Department Standards, latest edition, and City Codes (Lake Elsinore Municipal Code 12.04 and 16.34). 17. Pay all fees and meet requirements of encroachment permit issued by the Engineering Department for construction of off -site public works improvements (Municipal Code, Title 12, Chapter 12.08 and Resolution 83 -78). 18. All compaction reports, grade specifications, monument certification (with tie notes delineated on 8 1/2" X 11" mylar) shall be submitted to the Engineering Department before final inspection of off -site improvements are scheduled and approved. Page Five Design Review Committee June 29, 1994 19. Arrangements for relocation of utilities company facilities (power poles, vaults, etc.) out of the roadway or alley shall be the responsibility of the property owner or his agent. 20. On -site drainage shall be conveyed to a public facility or accepted by the adjacent property owner by a letter of drainage acceptance or conveyed to a drainage easement. 21. All natural drainage traversing the site shall be conveyed through site or provided for by a method approved by the City Engineer. 22. If grading exceeds 50 cubic yards, grading plans shall be prepared by a Civil Engineer and approved prior to any grading, applicant shall obtain a grading permit and post appropriate security. 23. Developer to provide a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) elevation certificate prior to building permit issuance. 3. Awning Sian (Modification to an Existing Awning Sian) - Antigue Corner - 106 W. Graham. Mr. De Gange explained that this is a request for a modification of an existing awning sign to reflect the new business name. Currently the sign reads "Around The Corner" in white four inch letters painted on a forest green awning above the doorway and main display window at 106 W. Graham. The applicant wishes to paint over a portion of the signage on the awning and change the name. Vice Chairman Brinley asked if the name had been painted over. Mr. De Gange stated that it had with the hunter green color to cover the white lettering. He stated that the paint blended with the color of the awning. Vice Chairman Brinley asked if that would hold up through the rain and sun that will affect the awning. Mr. De Gange stated that he did not know. Mr. Metze asked about the cost of painting the entire awning, or if it is effective to do only the sign. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that painting the entire awning would create a situation where it would fade evenly. Mr. De Gange stated his concern regarding the fire retardant qualities of the awning if it were painted over. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that she would like to see this item continued until staff could investigate the fire retardant properties of the awning if the entire awning is painted. She stated that if the awning can be painted then the Committee can sign off on the project. MOVED BY GRAGE, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE AWNING WITH STAFF WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO PAINT THE ENTIRE AWNING IF POSSIBLE AND IF NOT THEN THE NAME TO BE PAINTED OVER WITH A PAINT TO MATCH THE EXISTING AWNING TO BE APPROVED BY TWO OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT. Page Six Design Review Committee June 29, 1994 BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 1. Maior Leaaue Auto Bodv and Repair - 161 South Main Street. Mr. De Gange explained that this is a request to approve a license for the operation of an automotive repair and body shop business at 161 S. Main Street. The previous business conducted within this building was Marshall's Transmission Service. Mr. De Gange explained that this building was designed for automotive repair and would not be suitable for retail sales. He stated that the Design Review Committee set two conditions on the previous business as follows: 1) No outside storage would be permitted. If any vehicles are to be kept overnight they are to be kept inside; 2) The DRC will review the Business License in five (5) years to determine if the building would better conform to retail use to be compatible with the surrounding businesses. He suggested that it might be wise to condition the applicant in the same manner. Mr. Grage stated that he has a potential conflict with this project and feels that he should abstain from discussion and decision. THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE RECESSED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE RECONVENED. Mr. Marshall stated the building is currently being used as a transmission service shop and is suitable for an automotive repair shop. He asked that the Design Review Committee allow him to lease his building to the new people since the use of the building will not be changed. Vice Chairman Brinley stated the building is located in a sensitive area and she is not in favor of an auto -body shop at this time, which includes painting of the vehicle. That type of use also proposes an environmental problem. Mr. Marshall asked if he could transfer his license for the same type of auto service that has been operating in the building. He stated that it would be transmission and general auto repair. Mr. Metze stated that if the license were for an auto body shop then it would open the way for a full paint shop. He stated that he would prefer it to remain a transmission and auto repair shop. Vice Chairman Brinley asked if Mr. Marshall would remain the landlord of the building. Mr. Marshall stated that he would. She asked if the business would be operated under the same conditions. Mr. Marshall stated that it would. Vice Chairman Brinley reminded all parties concerned about the signage requirements. She stated that they would have to provide a rendering of the sign and a color chart. MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY BRINLEY AND CARRIED BY A VOTE OF 2 -0 WITH GRAGE ABSTAINING TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR MAJOR LEAGUE AUTO REPAIR, ELIMINATING THE WORD BODY FROM ALL BUSINESS REFERENCES WITH ALL PREVIOUS CONDITIONS TO APPLY TO THIS BUSINESS. Page Seven Design Review Committee June 29, 1994 2. Rosbella Florist - 106 North Main Street. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that she felt that a florist shop was a good change for the Downtown area. MOVED BY GRAGE, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR ROSBELLA FLORIST LOCATED AT 106 NORTH MAIN STREET. 3. Back In The Day (Antiques and Collectibles) - 120 1/2 North Main Street. Mr. De Gange explained that this is a request to approve a license for an antique and collectibles shop. He explained that the building had been used for that purpose before. Mr. Metze asked if they had been informed what collectibles are. Mr. De Gange explained that he had informed the applicants that there were no thrift stores or junk shops allowed and that they understood. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that her concerns are the definition of antiques and that she does not want to see a second hand store. Mr. De Gange defined antiques and collectibles and stated that thrift stores are stores where items are donated. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that she would like to award the business license with the condition that it must come back in a certain time frame for review. Mr. Metze asked if the business license is reviewed when it expires. Mr. De Gange stated that unless it is clearly stated that the business is subject to review it will automatically be renewed upon payment of fee. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that if the business license states subject to review it gives staff to the ability to inspect and be sure the business is in proper operation. Mr. Metze stated that possibly this should be an automatic statement for any business license which is for antiques and collectibles. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that on the application and license there should be conditions which state no used clothing, junk or used appliances and license subject to review. She explained that this will give staff the ability to close the business down if it is not in proper operation. DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE ASKED THAT LAURA'S ANTIQUE MALL, 161 SOUTH MAIN STREET, BE PLACED UNDER REVIEW THE NEXT TIME THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE IS DUE TO BE RENEWED. MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR BACK IN THE DAY (ANTIQUES AND COLLECTIBLES) LOCATED AT 120 1/2 NORTH MAIN STREET WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THERE BE NO USED CLOTHING, JUNK OR USED APPLIANCES SOLD OR DISPLAYED WITH LICENSE TO BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AT THE TIME OF RENEWAL. Page Eight Design Review Committee June 29, 1994 4. Antique Corner (Antiques and Collectibles) - 106 West Graham Avenue. Mr. De Gange asked if the Design Review Committee would like to deal with this shop in the same manner as the previous shop. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that they would. MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR ANTIQUE CORNER (ANTIQUES AND COLLECTIBLES) LOCATED AT 106 WEST GRAHAM AVENUE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THERE BE NO USED CLOTHING, JUNK OR USED APPLIANCES SOLD OR DISPLAYED WITH LICENSE TO BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AT THE TIME OF RENEWAL. INFORMATIONAL ITEMS 1. Mr. De Gange stated that there is still an issue with the signage at 141 North Main Street and it is still not in conformance. He stated that the business was sold and is now operating without a license and the signage is still a problem. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that the business must be cited by Code Enforcement. Mr. Metze stated that if she is selling without a business license then she does not have a tax number and is in violation. He stated that the State Board of Equalization will not issue a number without a business license. 2. Masonic Lodge, 114 East Graham. Mr. De Gange stated that the Masonic Lodge is redoing stucco on the building and there was no building permit issued. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that the Building Department should be aware of the fact that this building is in a special district and should be handled differently than other areas of the City. She asked that Building Department, Code Enforcement and Planning Department be made aware of this problem and make sure that the Historic Downtown Business Area be given special attention. Mr. De Gange stated that in his opinion nothing significant is being done to the building, but he felt that he should bring this issue to the Committee to keep them informed. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that she will bring this issue to the attention of the Planning Commission and the City Planner. PUBLIC COMMENT Mr. Ali, 200 West Graham, Car Wash - Gas Station, stated that the place had stood empty for quite some time until he bought it nine months ago. He stated that he has increased business and contributed to the sales tax for the City. He explained that the existing office is only big enough for one person and is a danger to the customers when they are trying to pay. He would like to turn one of the bays into an office so that he can do his business properly. Page Nine Design Review Committee June 29, 1994 Vice Chairman Brinley stated that he shoul d Gange and bring the item before Planning explained that part of the conditions would nor wine and beer sold and that the facility office only. STAFF COMMENTS - None. COMMITTEE COMMENTS work with Mr. De Commission. She be no mini - market will be used as an Mr. Grage stated that he has enjoyed sitting on this Committee and he commended the Planning Department and that he looks forward to the future improvements that he knows will occur. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that she appreciated Mr. Grage's input and commended him for his service and dedication to the City. Vice Chairman Brinley stated that she would like to see staff take a hard line at the front counter. She stated that she wants it stressed to the applicants that they are appearing before a formal body and that they must be present and prepared with proper renderings and exhibits that must be professional. She explained that Planning Commission has been instructed to follow the Design Standards closely and that the exhibits must be of a professional quality. Mr. Metze concurred with Mrs. Brinley regarding the standards. He stated that he personally will take a very hard line in regard to future project and the type of exhibits that are presented. Mr. Metze thanked Mr. Grage for his dedication to the City and his input. He stated that he felt that the Planning Commission would appreciate it if he would continue to give input to the Planning Commission in regard to his ideas on Main Street. MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AT 11:31 A.M. PAM BRINLEY, VICE CHAIRMAN DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, SECRETARY MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE JULY 20, 1994 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR JULY 20, 1994, WAS CALLED FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. Respectfully submitted, L nda Grindstaff Secretary MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AUGUST 3, 1994 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 3, 1994, WAS CALLED FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. Respectfully sLPmitted, Linda Grin staff Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 17, 1994 The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 9:02 p.m. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: BULLARD, NEFF, WILSEY, METZE ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: BRINLEY Also present were Assistant Planner Villa and Engineering Manager O'Donnell. In the absence of an official Chairperson Commissioner Bullard served as Acting Chair and conducted the meeting. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Metze, Seconded by Wilsey and carried by a vote of 4 -0 to received and file Minutes of June 29, July 20 and August 3, 1994. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Auto - Oriented Facade Sign - E1 Baby Feliz - 100 -B North Main Street (Continued from June 29, 1994). Vice Chairman Bullard asked for a motion to accept the withdrawal. MOVED BY NEFF SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY 4 -0 VOTE TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION FOR AN AUTO - ORIENTED FACADE SIGN AT 100 -B NORTH MAIN STREET. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS None At this time, Commissioner Bullard moved that the selection of Chairman and Vice Chairman for the DRC be postponed to the next regular session, September 7, 1994; so that all members are present and so that the two seats to be vacated are filled. Mr. Wilsey stated that he would not be present at the meeting of September 7th. Mr. Neff stated he would be out of town September 3rd to the 13th. Assistant Planner Villa informed the members that the mayor is currently reviewing the applications for the two open seats on the Commission and he will set meetings with those applicants next week and could have an announcement the first Council meeting in September. Commissioner Bullard amended his motion to continue the selection of Chairman and Vice Chairman of the DRC to the meeting of September 21, 1994, second by Mr. Metze and carried by a 4 -0 vote. STAFF COMMENTS None COMMITTEE COMMENTS None MOVED BY NEFF, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY 4 -0 VOTE TO ADJOURN THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AT 9:12 P.M. Res ectfull submitted _ ,Approved, .L da Gr'ndstaff Richard Bullard Recording Secretary Planning Commission, Vice Chairman MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 7, 1994 The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:25 p.m. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: BULLARD, METZE AND BRINLEY ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: WILSEY AND NEFF Also present were: Senior Planner Morita, Associate Planner De Gange, Assistant Planner Villa and Engineering Manager O'Donnell. In the absence of an official Chairperson Chairwoman Brinley served as Acting Chair and conducted the meeting. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Bullard, Seconded by Metze and carried by a vote of 3 -0 to continue minute action to the meeting of September 21, 1994. PUBLIC COMMENTS Mr. Csaba Koltai, Main Street Bakery, 111 North Main Street, commented on receiving a third notice of violation for window signage. He stated that two of the notices have been resolved as the signs have been removed, but he is contesting the third notice. He presented photographs and actual exhibits of the proposed signage. Ms. Brinley informed Mr. Koltai that during PUBLIC COMMENTS the Committee could not address the matter and suggested that he meet with Associate Planner De Gange and have the item agendized for the next meeting. Mr. De Gange asked whether this should be placed on the next agenda as an informational item. Ms. Brinley stated this item will probably require a Staff Report and background information. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Window Sian - 117 -B South Main Street - Mr. De Gange explained that the request is for a painted window sign measuring 2.5' x 4' (10 square feet) and will occupy approximately 24% of the window face. He noted that the building has 13 feet of linear frontage and the sign meets the Design Standards with respect to size, style of lettering and color with one possible exception; the reddish color tint may not be considered one of the approved colors (white, black, silver, gold). He then informed the Committee that staff is recommending continuance of this item to September 21, 1994, as the paint chip for the proposed red color has yet to be submitted. Ms. Brinley stated that she concurs with the continuation since the applicant or a representative is not present, and the need to see the color chip, actual color proposed for the primary lettering. Ms. Brinley asked for concurrence from the Committee to continue this item. Mr. Metze stated that from the workshop he got the distinct impression that a very hard line approach is to be taken, and inquired whether the proposal should be denied. The Committee concurred with continuation. PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING - SEPTEMBER 7, 1994 MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY A 3 -0 VOTE TO CONTINUE THE WINDOW SIGN FOR 117 -B SOUTH MAIN STREET TO THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 21, 1994 TO ALLOW FOR THE SUBMITTAL OF A COMPLETE PACKAGE, COLOR RENDERING, PAINT CHIP, AND THE ATTENDANCE OF THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE AT THE MEETING. Mr. Bullard suggested that staff do their best to inform the people to stay within the guidelines of the DRC. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 117 -B South Main Street - Finders Keepers Gift Shop - Ronald & Alice Klier and Wendy Buck Mr. De Gange explained this is a request to approve a business license to operate a gift shop. This building has been vacant for a considerable amount of time and there is no record as to what type of business occupied this unit in the past. He explained that the use is consistent with the uses allowed in the C -1 and C -O Zoning Districts and is not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. He noted that staff is concerned with antiques and previously owned collectibles also being sold, and recommended that a condition be placed on the business license to prohibit the sale of used clothing, appliances or "thrift- store" items. Mr. Bullard commented on staff's recommendation stating that he would like this condition followed to the letter. He then asked for something in writing defining antiques and collectibles, would like some guidelines. Ms. Brinley asked if this condition could not be made a standard condition. MOVED BY BULLARD, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY A 3 -0 VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR FINDERS KEEPERS GIFT SHOP AT 117 -B SOUTH MAIN STREET WITH A CONDITION TO BE PLACED ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE PROHIBITING THE SALE OF USED CLOTHING, APPLIANCES OR "THRIFT- STORE" ITEMS ON THE PREMISES. 3. 136 North Main Street - Blue Moon Anticues Mr. De Gange explained this is a request to approve a business license to operate an antique and collectible shop. A ceramic /gift shop was previously located at this address. He explained that the use is consistent with the uses allowed in the C -1 and C -O Zoning Districts and is not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. He noted that staff is concerned with antiques and previously owned collectibles also being sold, and recommended that a condition be placed on the business license to prohibit the sale of used clothing, appliances or "thrift- store" items. Mr. Metze asked how this was agendized if there is no business license application. Mr. De Gange explained that in most cases people are unaware that they are in a Historic Overlay District, and that there is a Design Review Committee that oversees and approves business licenses. He explained that most of the owners on Main Street are establishing long term leases and people are leery of signing long -term leases without getting approval first. Mr. Bullard stated that his question was answered. Ms. Brinley stated that she has no problem as long as the condition remains as written. PAGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW MEETING - SEPTEMBER 7, 1994 MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY BULLARD AND CARRIED BY A 3 -0 VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR BLUE MOON ANTIQUES AT 136 NORTH MAIN STREET WITH A CONDITION TO BE PLACED ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE PROHIBITING THE SALE OF USED CLOTHING, APPLIANCES OR "THRIFT- STORE" ITEMS ON THE PREMISES. 4. 148 South Main Street - Chiropractic Rehab Center Mr. De Gange explained this is a request to approve a business license to operate a chiropractors office. A medical supply business was previously located at this address; this building has been vacant for approximately 1.5 to 2 years. He explained that the use is consistent with the uses allowed in the C -1 and C -O Zoning Districts and is not prohibited by the Historic Elsinore Design Standards. A brief discussion was held on the exact location, and whether the applicant was advised that the signage would need to come back before the DRC prior to being erected. MOVED BY BULLARD, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY A 3 -0 VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR CHIROPRACTIC REHAB CENTER AT 148 SOUTH MAIN STREET. Mr. Bullard stated that with approval of the business license(s) that the applicant(s) should be made aware that they have to come back before the DRC for approval of any signage. STAFF COMMENTS Mr. De Gange informed the Committee that the business license for Laura's Antique Mall recently came up for renewal. The new business license would be conditioned to meet the same condition as imposed on other businesses or antique stores. Subsequently, she has informed staff that she cannot meet this condition and will be moving out. A three month time period was .given to her to move, which was approximately one month ago. Mr. Morita suggested a standard be established for signage. It was suggested that this be incorporated into the business license application along with the condition to prohibit the sale of used clothing, appliances or "thrift- store" items. Ms. Brinley stated that if formal action is required, then it should be agendized for the next meeting. This is something that should start as soon as possible. Mr. Metze inquired about reformatting the business license for the Historic Overlay District. Mr. Bullard suggested a supplemental sheet be attached to the business license, which is signed and dated. COMMISSION /COMMITTEE COMMENTS Commissioner /Committee Member Bullard Commented that the DRC meetings will be a new challenge and very interesting. Commissioner /Committee Member Metze Asked staff to provide background information, by the next meeting, on the Main Street Bakery. PAGE FOUR - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING - SEPTEMBER 7, 1994 Inquired whether the election DRC officers was postponed. Ms. Brinley explained that this was postponed until the new Commissioners were appointed. Commissioner /Committee Member Brinley Asked that Mr. De Gange inform the people that professional presentations need to be submitted to the Design Review Committee, and that the applicant or a representative should be present at the meeting. Reminded the Commissioners of the APA Planning Commissioners Workshop scheduled for October 1, 1994, in Fontana. Commissioner /Committee Member Wilsey Absent Commissioner /Committee Member Neff Absent ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY BULLARD, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY A 3 -0 VOTE TO ADJOURN THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AT 8:15 P.M. Planning Commission, Rrnda tfully flbmitted L Grind staff Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 1994 ********************************** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:11 p.m. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: BULLARD, NEFF, WILSEY, METZE AND BRINLEY ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE Also present were: City Planner Leslie and Associate Planner De Gange. In the absence of an official Chairperson Chairwoman Brinley served as Acting Chair and conducted the meeting. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Wilsey, Seconded by Metze and carried by a vote of 4 -0 with Brinley abstaining to approve the Minutes of August 17, 1994, as submitted. Moved by Metze, Seconded by Bullard and carried by a vote of 3 -0 with Neff and Wilsey abstaining to approve the Minutes of September 7, 1994, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak, Ms. Brinley closed the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Mr. De Gange explained the request was continued to allow for the submittal of a complete package and the applicant's presence at the meeting. He referred to the sample colors for the sign's lettering provided by the sign maker. He further explained that the request is for a painted window sign measuring 2.5' x 41, and will occupy approximately 24% of the window face. The sign was to have gold lettering with a reddish tint, teal and gray marbled accenting the middle and black secondary lettering. The sign meets the Design Standards with respect to size, style of lettering and color with one possible exception, the main lettering. Mr. De Gange stated that based on the submitted color sample, it is staff's recommendation that the applicant be instructed to stay with the approved colors: gold, silver, black or white, as the proposed colors do not meet the criteria; or require the applicant to submit an additional color sample and come back before the DRC; or, if the DRC is confident, allow staff to approve the additional color if one of the approved colors for window signage. Discussion was held on the proposed color samples; compliance with existing Guidelines, and whether the Committee would accept staff's discretion in approving said sign using the existing standard colors. It was the consensus of the Committee to accept staff's discretion in approving said colors, utilizing the standard colors for approval. PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 21, 1994 MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO APPROVE THE WINDOW SIGNAGE FOR 117 -B SOUTH MAIN STREET WITH DIRECTION TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES AND NOT COME BACK BEFORE THE DRC UNLESS THERE IS DEVIATION FROM THE APPROVED STANDARDS. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS NONE INFORMATIONAL 2. Main Street Bakery - 111 North Main Street Mr. Csaba Koltai Mr. De Gange stated staff was directed, at the last meeting, to provided background information and status on the issuance of a temporary banner permit and notice of violation. He explained that Mr. Koltai received approval for the banner on April 29, 1994. Based on the current DRC Standards this banner would have expired May 31, 1994, approximately. Prior to the updated standards that were put into place June 21, 1994, the Design Standards state that temporary signage would be governed by Title 17. Tile 17 allows temporary signage based on the applicant gaining a permit on a monthly basis. Policy has been not to charge a fee for sign permits in the downtown area; therefore, a fee was not assessed. However, once the permit expires, it is the applicant's responsibility to renew it, which was not done and the notice of violation was issued. Ms. Brinley asked how long the banner has been up. Mr. De Gange stated the banner has been up since April 29th. Mr. Wilsey commented that the standards changed since the banner was put up. Mr. Metze commented that the old standards required renewal once a month. Mr. Koltai, Main Street Bakery, stated he went to City Hall and asked for the procedures prior to erecting the banner, and was informed there would be no fee and that the banner could be up for 30 days, after which the permit could be renewed every 30 days, indefinitely. With this knowledge, the banner was purchased. He stated that he went in 2 -3 times and told them (staff) that he wanted to keep the banner up, and that he was not notified that the rules changed in June. Discussion was held on the notice of violation and the date issued; there being no fees involved; whether the permit had been renewed every 30 days, and this item scheduled for the October 6th Nuisance Abatement Hearing. Mr. De Gange explained that Mr. Koltai need only complete a new application to comply with the updated standards, and he could have the banner up for another 30 days. However, determination would need to be made as to how many more times he would be allowed. Ms. Brinley asked if an application is completed whether the year could start in 30 days, and allowed 4 times a year. Mr. Wilsey commented that it should remain on the calendar year; otherwise, it is difficult to control. Basically, this is a mute point this late in the year. Lets work with the applicant for the balance of this year and January 1st we start anew. Asked Mr. Koltai if he was agreeable. PAGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 21, 1994 Mr. Koltai stated he was agreeable. Mr. Leslie stated the four 30 day periods would probably start as of the adoption of the current Guidelines in June, as opposed to April. From April through June it was under the old Guidelines and starting late June it came under the new Guidelines. He recommended that June be prorated and all of July, August, September and a portion of October would be under the current Guidelines, then the sign would have to come down and could not be placed back until January. Mr. Metze asked if there was not a standard on notifying the public. Mr. Leslie explained the noticing requirements. It was the consensus of the Committee to go with staff's recommendation. Mr. Koltai was asked if this was agreeable and if he understood. Mr. Koltai stated he understands and that he really did not need the banner, it was the principle. 3. Definition of Antiques and Collectibles Mr. Leslie stated staff utilized Webster's Dictionary for definitions of antiques, collectibles, and thrift stores. He stated staff will be doing an informal survey in the downtown area of the existing antique stores to try to make some determination of the percentage of items that are actually antique and meet this definition. Possibly, staff would bring back to the DRC an amended definition of antiques and collectibles. STAFF COMMENTS City Planner Leslie commented on the following: 1. General Plan Clean -up - Questions have come up on the Housing Element. City Council asked to have another study session on the Housing Element and to have our consultant Ralph Castaneda at this study session, which has not been scheduled. 2. Lake Edge Specific Plan - City Council has asked for another study session to look specifically at land uses along Lakeshore Drive, on the lake side. Ballew & Associates has been asked to do a study regarding development potential along Lakeshore Drive. Once, this study is completed a study session will be scheduled to review the results. Mr. De Gange and Mr. Leslie congratulated Ms. Brinley on her appointment to the City Council. We will miss her vision, wisdom and compassion on both the Commission and DRC. COMMISSION /COMMITTEE COMMENTS Commissioner /Committee Member Bullard Congratulated Ms. Brinley on her appointment to the City Council and wished her best of luck. Commissioner /Committee Member Neff Stated it was a pleasure working with Ms.. Brinley the past two years. Commissioner /Committee Member Metze Thanked Ms. Brinley for her assistance and guidance for the past year and a half. PAGE FOUR - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 21, 1994 Commissioner/Committee-Member Wilse Congratulated Ms. Brinley on her appointment to the City Council and stated that she had the love and support of the Commission. Commissioner /Committee Member Brinley Announced that with her appointment to City Council she will resign her position on the Planning Commission /Design Review Committee, and submitted a letter of resignation for the Mayor's acceptance. She then thanked the Commissioners and staff for their support over the years. MOVED BY NEFF, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AT 8:05 P.M. p oved, Pamela ion, e Planning Commission, Chairwoman Resp ctfully s bmitted inda Gri staff�f/ Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 5, 1994 The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:40 p.m. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: MATTHIES, NEFF, WILSEY, METZE AND BULLARD ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: City Planner Leslie and Associate Planner De Gange. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Bullard, Seconded by Neff and carried by a vote of 4 -0 with Matthies abstaining to approve the Minutes of September 21, 1994, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak, Chairman Metze closed the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section. DESIGN APPLICATIONS NONE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS NONE STAFF COMMENTS City Planner Leslie welcomed Ericka Matthies, newest member of the Planning Commission /DRC, and welcomed back Al Wilsey and Daniel Metze, the two returning members. COMMISSION /COMMITTEE COMMENTS Commissioner /Committee Member Bullard Welcomed Ericka Matthies to the Planning Commission /DRC and welcomed back Al Wilsey and Dan Metze. Commissioner /Committee Member Neff Nothing to report. Commissioner /Committee Member Matthies Nothing to report. Commissioner /Committee Member Metze Welcomed Ericka Matthies to the Planning Commission /DRC. Commented that he will be working with staff to make the DRC Committee and himself more available to the downtown businesses. PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - OCTOBER 5, 1994 Commissioner /Committee Member Wilsey Welcomed Ericka Matthies to the Planning Commission /DRC. Suggested the Commission /DRC members get together and tour some of the single - family residential neighborhoods and assess what has been done in the past, and gain ideas on how we can improve in the future. Mr. Bullard inquired about a workshop. A brief discussion ensued on the need to set a date and time for a workshop or group tour. The New Brown Act requirements concerning group tours, and providing a list of projects to each member, which would allow individuals to tour, should the Brown Act prohibit participation of a group tour. Mr. Neff suggested this be expanded to include other communities and not just City of Lake Elsinore examples. Suggested several field trips over a period of time, or even a list of projects to look at. He stated that he would compile a list of projects and present this at the next meeting. City Planner Leslie stated that he would research the Brown Act and report back. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AT 7:49 P.M. Approved, T)0 Daniel Metze Chairman �Resp ctfully submitted Linda Grindstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 19, 1994 The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:44 p.m. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NEFF, MATTHIES, WILSEY, BULLARD, AND METZE ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: City Planner Leslie, Associate Planner De Gange and Associate Planner Villa. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Bullard, Seconded by Wilsey and carried by a vote of 5 -0 to approve the Minutes of October 5, 1994, as submitted. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak, Chairman Metze closed the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. 316 North Main Street - Elsinore Hot Springs Health Resort - Han Lee Mr. De Gange explained that the proposal is to replace and /or change the face of an existing freestanding pole sign; to extend the height of an existing 6 -foot high chain link fence with two -feet of barbed wire; to re -roof all existing structures on -site with an asphalt roofing material, and; to replace all exterior windows and approximately half of the doors, which had not been replaced at an earlier time. Chairman Metze asked if the applicant was present and if there were any concerns. Mr. Han Lee stated he would utilize the roofing material and color approved by the Committee. He then stated that he is requesting to extend the existing six -foot chain link fence, along the property's boundary on Pottery and Ellis, with two - feet of barbed wire for security purposes. Mr. Lee explained that the proposed chain link fencing alteration would run about $500.00 whereas wrought iron would be approximately $20,000 and is cost prohibitive. Mr. Neff stated that he had no problem with the pole sign and inquired about the colors proposed. Commented on the roofing material, prefers the grayish green roofing material. He then commented on the alteration to the existing chain link fencing, does not feel that barbed wire is appropriate and suggested that landscaping be used as an alternative. Asked if the Lehr property on Collier could be used as an example for security fencing. Ms. Matthies asked for a translation of the Chinese /Korean characters at the bottom of the sign. Mr. Lee explained that these characters translate to "sulfur baths ". PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - OCTOBER 19, 1994 Ms. Matthies commented on the illegal replacement of the change of face on the pole sign, and inquired about the original sign colors. She commented on the fencing alteration and suggested that the applicant be allowed to extend the chain link with barbed wire and then slowly replace the fencing with the same type of wrought iron that surrounds the property on Main Street. Commented on the roofing material, prefers the grayish green roofing material. Mr. Bullard expressed deep concern over the illegal replace- ment of the change of face on the pole sign. Asked if samples of ethnic characters were included in the Design Review Standards, if by law it is required if not the present standards are to be adhered to. He inquired about the cost for signage. Commented on the roofing material, prefers the grayish green roofing material, and suggested the standard roofing condition requiring use of the highest quality of material be added. Mr. Wilsey stated that the pole sign is the only freestanding pole sign from that era on Main Street, and that the colors also depict the era. He then commented on the alteration to the chain link fencing and allowing the applicant to proceed with barbed wire provided it can be softened with landscaping. Mr. Metze expressed concern with the illegal replacement of the change of face for the pole sign. He suggested the pole be painted and inquired whether the standard colors apply to this sign. He commented on the fencing alteration suggesting the chain link with barbed wire be allowed on the exterior property line along Pottery and Ellis, but not on the wrought iron. Commented on the roofing material, prefers the grayish green roofing material and suggested that the standard roofing condition be applied. Asked that staff explain the desires of the Committee to Mr. Lee so that he understands. There was general discussion on the fencing alteration and allowing the extension of barbed wire to the chain link for security purposes, provided it can be softened with land- scaping, such as trees, shrubs or bougainvillea, and the applicant working with staff on the selection of landscape material. MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY A 5 -0 VOTE TO: 1. APPROVE THE FREESTANDING POLE SIGN CHANGE OF FACE AS SUBMITTED WITH THE POLE AND CABINET HOUSING TO BE PAINTED WITH AN APPROVED COLOR FROM THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND APPROVED BY STAFF. 2. APPROVE THE ALTERATION (EXTENSION) OF EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCING WITH 2 FEET OF BARBED WIRE, IN THE FORM OF THREE LINEAR STANDS, FOR THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTY (A 250 FOOT LENGTH ALONG POTTERY AND A 280 FOOT LENGTH ALONG ELLIS) WITH LANDSCAPING PROVIDED TO SOFTEN, AND THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THE SELECTION OF PLANTING MATERIALS AND SPACING. 3. APPROVE THE GRAYISH GREEN ROOFING MATERIAL COLOR FOR RE- ROOFING. THE APPLICANT SHALL USE ROOFING MATERIALS WITH A MINIMUM CLASS "A" FIRE RATING, RANDOM TAB -THREE DIMENSIONAL PRESIDENTIAL SHAKE QUALITY. 4. APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT OF EXTERIOR WINDOWS AND DOORS. PAGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - OCTOBER 19, 1994 BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS 1. 158 North Main Street - Oualitv'eollectibles - Dorothy Ross Mr. De Gange explained this is a request to approve a business license to operate an antique and collectible shop. An army surplus store was previously located at this address. This use is consistent with the C -1 and C -0 zoning district and compatible with the existing uses within the vicinity. Chairman Metze asked if the applicant was present and if there were any concerns. Ms. Ross responded in the negative. Mr. Wilsey inquired about signage. Mr. De Gange informed him that the signage application would be coming before the DRC in the future. Mr. Wilsey then inquired about streamlining the sign process with concurrent processing. Mr. Wilsey asked Ms. Ross if she had been informed by staff of the merchandise that was prohibited for sale. Ms. Ross responded in the affirmative stating that she would have antiques and collectibles. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY NEFF AND CARRIED BY A 5 -0 VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR QUALITY COLLECTIBLES AT 158 NORTH MAIN STREET WITH A CONDITION TO BE PLACED ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE PROHIBITING THE ,SALE OF USED CLOTHING, APPLIANCES OR "THRIFT- STORE" ITEM S' "ON THE PREMISES. STAFF COMMENTS City Planner Leslie stated that at the October 5th meeting the possibility of a group tour was suggested. He reported that the Brown Act allows for group tours and that posting of a notice is all that is necessary. Mr. Neff stated that he has compiled a list of projects in various communities. He suggested that the tour also include a trip to his office where the Commissioners /Committee members could view detailed residential development aspects such as plotting, elevations, floor plans, etc, from the developers standpoint. A brief discussion ensued on the need to set a date and time for the tour, possibly scheduling two tours one local and one for other communities. It was the consensus of the Committee to schedule November 5, 1994 for a local tour, and that City Council be informed if this field trip. COMMISSION /COMMITTEE COMMENTS Commissioner /Committee Member Metze 1. Inquired about the square footage for the Tuscany Hills area. City Planner Leslie explained that the Tuscany Hills Specific Plan sets the minimum home size at 1,000 square feet. 2. Expressed concern with illegal erection of signage and the position in which the DRC is then placed. Commissioner /Committee Member Matthies 1. Commented on illegal installation /erection of signage. Asked if there was a way to send notice on a yearly basis to persons within the DRC District. Suggested notice with business license renewal or a pamphlet. PAGE FOUR - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - OCTOBER 19, 1994 2. Requested that staff check the mailing list for Tentative Tract Map 27908 and ensure that a notice is sent to Mr. Bayless. Commissioner /Committee Member Neff Nothing to report. Commissioner /Committee Member Wilsey Nothing to report. Commissioner /Committee Member Bullard Nothing to report. MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AT 9:07 P.M. Approved, Daniel Metze Chairman Respectfullyesubmitted Linda Grindstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE NOVEMBER 2, 1994 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 2, 1994, WAS CALLED FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. Respectfully ubmitted, Linda Grindstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 1994 ********************************** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 10:00 p.m. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NEFF, MATTHIES, WILSEY, BULLARD, AND METZE ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: City Planner Leslie, Associate Planner De Gange. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Bullard, Seconded by Wilsey and carried by a unanimous vote of those present to approve the Minutes of October 19, 1994, with clarification on Page 2, "if by law it is required if not the present standards are to be adhered to ", and to receive and file Minutes of November 2, 1994. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak, Chairman Metze closed the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Fencing 169 North Main Street - John Williams Mr. De Gange explained the applicant is requesting approval for the installation of six -foot high wrought iron fencing along a portion of the lot at 169 North Main Street and another part of the lot that opens out to Bath Street. The total length of fencing proposed is approximately 190 feet (60 feet along Main Street, 60 feet facing Bath Street and 70 feet enclosing a rear portion of the building) . The design of the proposed fencing along Main Street is to match the existing fencing installed at the Cultural Center. A brief discussion was held on the proposal meeting the Design Standards and this being an improvement. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY BULLARD AND CARRIED BY A 5 -0 VOTE TO APPROVE THE INSTALLATION OF WROUGHT IRON FENCING AT 169 NORTH MAIN STREET AS SUBMITTED. BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS NONE STAFF COMMENTS Nothing to report. COMMISSION /COMMITTEE COMMENTS Commissioner /Committee Member Wilsey Commented that the field trip conducted by the Planning Commission on November 5th was enjoyable and educational. Staff's time and work was appreciated and looking forward to scheduling another field trip in the near future. PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - NOVEMBER 16, 1994 COMMISSION /COMMITTEE COMMENTS CONTINUED Mr. Metze inquired about scheduling, at the next meeting, another field trip, or if this should be after the Holidays. The consensus was to conduct this field trip after the Holidays. Commissioner /Committee Member Neff Thanked staff for the time and work they put into the field trip, conducted on November 5th. Thanked John for his assistance on Shannon's proposal with regard to the suggested condition on Page 4 of the Staff Report, and commented on the coordination between the residents and the developer to reach a compromise. Commissioner /Committee Member Matthies Commented that the field trip conducted by the Planning Commission on November 5th was enjoyable and educational and thanked everyone for their time and work. Commented on the coordination between the residents and the developer to reach a compromise and the accomplishments reached this evening regarding Residential Project 94 -3. Commissioner /Committee Member Metze Commented that a lot was accomplished by the field trip conducted on November 5th, and thanked Mr. Wilsey for the use of his motorhome and staff for their work. Looking forward to the next field trip. Commissioner /Committee Member Bullard Thanked Mr. Wilsey for the use of his motorhome and staff for their work on the field trip conducted on November 5th. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY BULLARD, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AT 10:10 P.M. Approved, Z� -7f /W Daniel Metze Chairman Respectfully submitted Linda Grindstaff Recording Secretary MINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE DECEMBER 7, 1994 THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAKE ELSINORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 7, 1994, WAS CALLED FOR LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS. Resp ctfully su muitted� *L'nda�Grind taff Recording Secretary MINUTES REGULAR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 21, 1994 The Design Review Committee Meeting was called to order at 7:31 p.m. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NEFF, MATTHIES, WILSEY, BULLARD, AND METZE ABSENT: COMMITTEE MEMBERS: NONE Also present were: City Planner Leslie, Associate Planner De Gange and Engineering Manager O'Donnell. MINUTE ACTION Moved by Bullard, Seconded by Wilsey and carried by a vote of 5 -0 to approve the Minutes of November 16, 1994, as submitted and to receive and file the Minutes of December 7, 1994. PUBLIC COMMENTS There being no request to speak, Chairman Metze closed the PUBLIC COMMENTS Section. DESIGN APPLICATIONS 1. Mr. De Gange explained the applicant is requesting approval for a secondary wall sign measuring 2' by 4' (eight square feet) and is painted with forest green lettering and border on a cream colored background, and a window sign that encompasses approximately one square foot of area consisting of white acrylic letters which have been adhered to the inside of the window face. He explained that these signs were installed prior to DRC approval due to the applicant's anxiousness to have signage in place for the Christmas shopping season. He stated these signs meet the Design Standards for the Historic Elsinore Overlay District for signage with respect to size and style of lettering and color. Chairman Metze asked if the applicant was present. Ms. Dorothy Ross, 525 East Franklin Street, stated she submitted her application according to the paperwork provided, which was outdated, and that the application could have been earlier; then the next meeting, December 7th, was cancelled. She explained that she wanted the signs up for the Winterfest and that she intended to take them down, but did not. Chairman Metze asked staff to ensure that the submittal requirements are updated. Mr. De Gange responded that this has been done. Mr. Neff stated this is the second time an applicant has installed a sign without approval and was concerned about this. Suggested recommending to City Council modification of an existing ordinance to deal with this situation. Ms. Matthies commented on the installation of signage and then asking for approval. The signs are nicely done and stays within the guidelines; however, the concern is that we are setting a precedence. PAGE TWO - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - DECEMBER 21, 1994 Mr. Bullard stated he has the same concerns. Directed staff that this will be the last one unless prior approval is granted by the DRC. We have to let the applicants know in advance that if they install signage without approval they will be cited for an illegal sign. Mr. Wilsey stated that he disagrees. He commented that Ms. Ross tried to go by the rules and it was bureaucracy that kept her from doing it. This is our problem and she should not be cited for it. Recalls that when the business license came before the DRC there was discussion about bringing signage in concurrently. Mr. Wilsey stated that a solution to the problem would be to streamline the application process and include proposed signage with the original application. Chairman Metze stated that he agrees with all comments; however, we are restricted to the guidelines, also in a work shop we received specific direction from City Council. In the future will not approve a sign that has been installed prior to its approval, and suggested that staff recommend to applicants processing of their applications concurrently. A brief discussion ensued on streamlining the process and type of notification to businesses. Ms. Matthies asked if there was a way to contact the property owners and have them inform their tenants. Mr. Wilsey suggested a fact sheet, in the form of a flyer, answering typical questions be made available that could be distributed to the Chamber of Commerce, property owners, etc, and this be brought back to the DRC at the next meeting as an informational item. MOVED BY WILSEY, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY A 5 -0 VOTE TO APPROVE THE SECONDARY WALL SIGN AND THE WINDOW SIGN AT 158 NORTH MAIN STREET. BUSINESS_ LICENSE APPLICATIONS NONE Commissioner /Committee Member Wilsey Commented on the following: 1. With regard to the 1,000 square foot rule, believes this came from the County Standards. Asked if it would be prudent to consider a 75% rule in the R -1 zone similar to the 75% rule language that we have for lot square footage on dwelling square footage. City Planner Leslie suggested staff look at this and report back. 2. The need to improve public relations skills and suggested training programs for staff. Would like to see a fact sheet, that outlines the application process and would include a listing of contact people, prepared for our Community Development Department. City Planner Leslie stated the Assistant City Manager is looking at scheduling a training seminar of this nature in January. Discussion ensued on the need to improve public relations, and preparation of a fact sheet may assist in eliminating problems. PAGE THREE - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - DECEMBER 21, 1994 COMMISSION /COMMITTEE COMMENTS CONTINUED Commissioner /Committee Member Neff Commented on the following: 1. Training programs, Fred Pryer offers very good seminars. He then commented on the cost, time and location for said seminars. 2. Technical Plan Check issue, perhaps I could send over an extra catalog from the National Association of Homebuilders. This catalog contains practical down to earth literature on how buildings go together, types /sizes of bolts used, windows and etc. Does not know if the building inspectors have this resource material available, but it might be a good investment. 3. After the first of the year, would like to schedule a project tour starting from my office in Newport Beach. Also, I can show you the books in our library. 4. Agrees, that we need more responsive public relations. 5. Another fellow that spoke at the League of California Cities Conference, Art Lustberg, mostly focused on appointed /elected officials. He will be in Southern California again in January or February; however, his seminars are expensive. 6. Informed the Commission that he may at the end of this month, resign his position on the Planning Commission /DRC, as his growing business requires more attention. Also, may not be able to attend the January 4, 1995, meeting. Would like to maintain an open door and communications. Commissioner /Committee Member Matthies Commented on the following: 1. Has enjoyed working with Commissioner Neff, and hopes that he will stay and not resign. 2. Improving public relations, "kill them with kindness ". Every citizen needs to feel important and that you are working for them. Commissioner /Committee Member Metze Commented on the following: 1. Commissioner Neff's perspective is needed, and hopes that he will stay and not resign. 2. Agrees with Commissioner Wilsey on the addition of a 75% rule in the R -1 zone, and once a report is back on this start something to change the Tuscany Hills Plan regarding the 1,000 square foot. 3. Agrees with Commissioner Wilsey, finds himself defending the City often, but when you get into a situation where you have no response you can not defend anyone. Sometimes I feel the citizens are getting apathy from staff, and once a person has a negative attitude they are going to buy every negative thing that comes out in the paper. However, I have never met a staff person that I didn't like. 4. Winterfest was a great success. PAGE FOUR - DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - DECEMBER 21, 1994 Commissioner /Committee Member Bullard Commented on the following: 1. Asked that Commissioner Neff not resign. 2. Agrees with comments made on public relations. We need a positive attitude. 3. Thanked staff for a good year and wished everyone a Happy Holiday. STAFF COMMENTS Commented on the following: 1. The regular meeting scheduled for January 4, 1995, is being called for lack of agenda items and due to the Holidays. Commissioner Neff stated the Tuscany Hills Homeowners Association is having a meeting on January 4th with Colrich Communities (formerly National Home Builders) regarding the new model homes they are proposing to build on the remaining vacant lots in the old Woodcrest Development. Mr. De Gange stated staff was just informed of this meeting today. Commissioner Metze asked if someone from the City would be in attendance. Mr. De Gange responded in the affirmative. Mr. Leslie stated that planning staff would be in attendance and possibly one Planning Commissioner. Asked that the Commission discuss the selection. Commissioner Metze asked that the time and date be confirmed, as he would like to attend. Commissioner Neff asked if more than one Planning Commissioner could attend. Discussion ensued on the Brown Act with regard to attending other public meetings. Staff to check the Brown Act and /or with the City Attorney for clarification on legislative bodies attending such meetings and provide this information to the Commission. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AT 8:25 P.M. AA p Daniel Metze Chairman Respectfully ubmitted Linda �Gr dstaff Recording Secretary