HomeMy WebLinkAbout06-10-2009 PSAC MinutesMINUTES
PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
183 NORTH MAIN STREET
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA
WEDNESDAY. JUNE 10, 2009
CALL TO ORDER - 6:00 P.M.
Chairman Norkin called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Lyons.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT: CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIRMAN BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
ABSENT: NONE
Also present were: Information/Communications Manager Dennis, Assistant City
Attorney Mann, Traffic Engineer Basubas, Fire Chief Hendershot, Police Sergeant
Chavez, and Office Specialist Porche.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
Harvey Janisse, resident of Lake Elsinore spoke of speeding issues along Palomar
Street and Sweetwood Lane. He stated the issues have been brought to the
attention of the Commission in the past and still continues.
COMMISSION APPROVES CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM(S)
1. Minutes from the Regular Public Safety Advisory Commission (PSAC) Meeting of
May 13, 2009.
Recommendation: Approve
It was motioned by Commissioner Dailey and seconded by Commissioner Lyons to
approve the May 13, 2009 Public Safety Advisory Meetings Minutes.
Public Safety Advisory Commission
June 10, 2009
Page 2 of 9
The following vote resulted:
AYES: CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIRMAN BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
NOES: NONE
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
BUSINESS ITEMS
2. Public Outreach meeting for Rosetta Canyon HOA. June 24, 2009
Recommendation: Discuss availability and confirm meeting schedule
Information/Communications Manager Dennis brought this item to the Commissions
attention to confirm the third "Town Hall" public outreach meeting of 2009 which
would take place at the Earl Warren Elementary School's multipurpose room on
Wednesday, June 24, 2009 at 6:00 p.m.
Chairman Norkin advised the Commission that he would be out of town that week,
and Commissioner Dailey and Vice-Chairman Bhutta would not be able to attend.
He suggested to the Commission postponing the meeting until all Commissioners
would be able to attend the meeting.
Commissioner Stewart indicated that he would be available for the meeting,
however, agreed to postpone the meeting.
There being no further discussion, Chairman Norkin called for a Motion.
It was motioned by Chairman Norkin and seconded by Commissioner Dailey to
postpone the next PSAC "Town Hall" public outreach meeting to July or August
2009.
The following vote resulted:
AYES: CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIRMAN BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
2
Public Safety Advisory Commission
June 10, 2009
Page 3 of 9
NOES: NONE
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
3. Outlook Newsletter V9 N2-"Graffiti Prevention Campaign" Special Issue
Chairman Norkin requested any public speakers to speak either for or against this
project.
Tim Fleming, resident of Lake Elsinore thanked the PSAC and City Council for
aggressively approaching with a solution for the Graffiti Ordinance and addressing
the serious issues. He pointed out to the Commission a flaw in the City's Graffiti's
Prevention Campaign, the Graffiti Action Plan Implementation and Graffiti Prevention
Ordinance which passed on January 13, 2009 Ord. 1258. He stated that his
neighborhood has had some recent graffiti activity and stated the plan does not
work. He stated there is no one he can speak with to have the "caught in the act"
perpetrators and vandals dealt with. He requested the help to assist with
coordinating the Ordinance's efforts so concerned citizens can report these acts. He
stated his facts have been reported to the Sheriffs Department and to the City. He
stated the Public Works Department removed the graffiti after it had been reported.
He indicated there were brochures in the past at the Sheriffs station called WE TIP;
however, the station was out of the programs when he went to report the incident.
Chairman Norkin asked if he made an attempt to contact 911.
Tim Fleming replied by saying 911 could have been called but because they are
new neighbors of his, he decided to speak to the parents first. He stated the
problem is when he went to the Sheriffs station he was requested to complete a
patrol request in order to have an officer patrol the area. When the officer arrived,
the wall had already been tagged and the perpetrators had left the scene.
Chairman Norkin requested comments from Police Sergeant Chavez.
Police Sergeant Chavez replied by saying if there is an issue that needs to be
addressed, the best route would be to call the Police Department and ask for Deputy
Lebrand or Deputy Sinns who are familiar with dealing with these types of issues.
Tim Fleming responded by saying there is no one who was able to speak with him
and no phone number or coordinated effort.
Police Sergeant Chavez also suggested speaking with the Watch Commander on
duty, which all complaints would go directly to him.
Chairman Norkin asked Police Sergeant Chavez if it would be the proper procedure
to call 911 if a witness saw someone vandalizing property with graffiti.
3
Public Safety Advisory Commission
June 10, 2009
Page 4 of 9
Police Sergeant Chavez responded by saying graffiti is not a life or death situation,
however, if the perpetrators are doing $2000 dollars worth of damage, then the call
to 911 should be considered.
Commissioner Dailey wanted to point out that the City is giving the correct
information to the public. She noted that the City's Ordinance specifies if the
perpetrators are caught and they are minors, the parents would be held responsible
for the damages. She also wanted to know if there would be any way the City could
assist notifying the parents and wanted to make sure that the City is giving the
correct information to the public.
Vice-Chairman Bhutta noted he joined the Commission over two years ago and
pointed out to the Commission that graffiti is still an issue and asked if there could be
some flaws in the Ordinance.
Assistant City Attorney Mann replied by saying he does not feel there are any flaws
with the Ordinance. He stated the City has a strong Ordinance that covers law-
enforcement technology.
Information/Communications Manager Dennis addressed some of the concerns that
had been addressed. He stated one of the tasks that have been identified in the
Ordinance is increasing public information about what to do and how to make the
systems work. He indicated a year ago the City created a Graffiti Task Force, and
stated the plan itself has barely been brought out and the elements are wide in
scope. He stated, what Mr. Fleming has brought to the Commission's attention is
eye-opening as well as the internal survey a few months ago.
Chairman Norkin stated that he feels the Ordinance is written well with the exception
of telling the public what to do when an incident happens.
Commissioner Dailey suggested adding a statement to the packet that would include
a way for parents to recognize signs that their child is involved with graffiti and what
the consequences are as being a parent of the child involved.
Chairman Norkin suggested subjects to be added to the newsletter such as, ways to
report an incident, dialing 911 or filing a report to the Police Department. He also
suggested having the newsletter perforated so it could easily be removed and
placed in a convent location for the citizens.
Vice-Chairman Bhutta again pointed out that the youth needs to be educated
through the school system and possibly publicize when an incident has occurred.
Michelle Salvias, resident of Lake Elsinore indicated that she agrees with educating
the schools. She also pointed out that the City is doing a great job with the clean up.
Harvey Janisse, resident of Lake Elsinore asked if the City has a datebase where a
photo of the graffiti could be uploaded.
4
Public Safety Advisory Commission
June 10, 2009
Page 5 of 9
Chairman Norkin responded by saying "Yes, the Public Works Department and the
Sheriffs' Department have copies of all the different types of graffiti."
There being no further discussion, Chairman Norkin requested a motion.
A motion was made by Commissioner Dailey, seconded by Commissioner Stewart
to receive and file the Outlook Newsletter V9-N2-"Graffiti Prevention Campaign"
Special Issue.
The following vote resulted:
AYES: CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIRMAN BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
NOES: NONE
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
4. Graffiti Action Plan Implementation Status
Recommendation: Receive and file
Information/Communications Manager Dennis stated that this is to update the
Commission on the implementation status of the Graffiti Action Plan. He provided a
table to the Commission that summarized the status of the proposed strategies and
tactics related to ten goals contained in the Graffiti Action Plan. He stated this plan
has a lot of moving parts and sometimes it is found that every department hasn't
moved at the same speed, or we staff have not communicated to everyone how their
role is changing, however, staff is on the right path which will lead to success.
Commissioner Dailey thanked staff and stated she likes how the project is moving
forward and is excited about the system.
Commissioner Stewart asked if there are any posted signs in the City that advise
citizens of the new graffiti laws.
Information/Communications Manager Dennis replied by saying the City may be
able to take advantage of billboards, for a low cost to the City.
Commissioner Stewart asked if any cameras are currently available.
Information/Communications Manager Dennis replied by saying that one camera's
activity was downloaded which contained over 440 photos. He stated the cameras
5
Public Safety Advisory Commission
June 10, 2009
Page 6 of 9
are very sensitive and before they are put to use, they must be tested in order to not
burden staff with unnecessary photos.
There being no further discussion, Chairman Norkin requested a motion.
A motion was made by Commissioner Lyons, seconded by Commissioner Dailey to
receive and file the Graffiti Action Plan Implementation Status.
The following vote resulted:
AYES: CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIRMAN BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
NOES: NONE
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
PUBLIC SAFETY SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
Commissioner Daily provided status regarding the last meeting with the Citizen
Corps. She stated the committee members have accomplished getting businesses
to provide gift certificates for those who come out to support the City Council and the
Citizen Corps. She stated the City has created an application form for those who
are interested to join the Citizen Corps could join and be sworn in with the City.
Commissioner Stewart asked if there are any upcoming changes to CERT Program,
such as having them conducted on weekends.
Commissioner Dailey replied by saying the next class is scheduled for September,
however would not be held on a weekend. She stated they are still trying to get a
class scheduled for a weekend. She advised the Commission that the City of San
Jacinto would be having a CERT Training class in July which would be on a
weekend.
CITY STAFF COMMENTS
Fire Chief Hendershot commented on the following:
• No comments.
6
Public Safety Advisory Commission
June 10, 2009
Page 7 of 9
Police Sergeant Chavez commented on the following:
• He expressed to the Commission that this would be his last meeting with PSAC and
introduced to the Commission his replacement Sergeant Robert Rose. He stated he
would still be available to the Commission when Sergeant Rose is unavailable.
Traffic Engineer Basubas commented on the following:
He spoke of the traffic issues along Cedarhill and Poppy Lane. He stated the
request for a stop sign at that location was determined to be not warranted;
however, a larger fluorescent sign was installed making them more visible during the
evening hours. Chairman Norkin asked Traffic Engineer Basubas the last time a
traffic study had been conducted. Traffic Engineer Basubas replied by saying the
last study was conducted in July 2007. He stated if the Commission requests to
have another study conducted, they would review it again.
He spoke of the traffic issues along Palomar and Corydon and stated signs would be
posted and staff is negotiating with KB Homes to see if they could assist with paying
for the installation.
Information/Communications Manager Dennis commented on the following:
He pointed out to the Commission that he will miss the good chemistry between the
Commissioners and staff and how well he enjoyed working with all of the members.
He spoke of the agreement between the Forest Service and Hawaiian Mars Aircraft
that would return to the lake sometime around Saturday.
He wished Police Sergeant Chavez good luck in his new job capacity and welcomed
Sergeant Rose.
PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS
Chairman Norkin commented on the following:
• He welcomed Sergeant Rose and stated he looks forward working with him on the
Commission.
• He thanked Commissioner Bhutta and Lyons for their hard work serving on the
Commission.
He suggested to staff to have the staff reports/agenda sent to the Commissioner's
via email rather than printing them as it would save money, time and trees.
Vice-Chairman Bhutta commented on the following:
He expressed his appreciation for everyone's hard work on the Commission and
wished Sergeant Rose good luck with serving on the Commission.
He thanked Traffic Engineer Basubas for his hard work helping with the
Commission.
7
Public Safety Advisory Commission
June 10, 2009
Page 8 of 9
Commissioner Dailey commented on the following:
• She thanked Commissioners Bhutta and Lyons for their hard work serving the PSAC
and stated she looks forward to working with the new Commissioners.
• She thanked Police Sergeant Chavez for all of his hard work assisting with PSAC
and the sub-committees.
• She thanked Information/Communications Manager Dennis for all his hard work with
the graffiti issues.
Commissioner Stewart commented on the following:
• He thanked Commissioners Lyons & Bhutta for serving on the Commission and it
was a pleasure working with them.
• He encouraged the audience to participate with the City/Commission to help make
changes in the City.
• He thanked Police Sergeant Chavez for all the hard work he participated in with the
Citizen Corps and sub-committees.
Commissioner Lyons commented on the following:
• He expressed to the Commission his gratitude for serving on the Commission for the
past two years. He stated he also assists with the Lake Elsinore Marine and Rescue
and thanked everyone for the opportunity.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
None
ADJOURNMENT
It was the consensus of the Commission to adjourn to a regular meeting on July 8,
2009, at 6:00 p.m. in the Cultural Center located at 183 North Main Street, Lake
Elsinore, California, CA, 92530.
Chairman Norkin adjourned the meeting at 7:24, .m.
MIKE NORKIN, CHAIRMAN
PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMISSION
8
Public Safety Advisory Commission
June 10, 2009
Page 9 of 9
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
x C - P)N(-N kj,
DANA C. PORCHE
OFFICE SPECIALIST
9