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Home My WebLink About01-17-2001 NAHMINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 17, 2001 The Regulaz Pla~~nuig Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Chauman Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Coxnmissioner Polk. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, City Engineer O'Donnell, and Community Development Secretary Hennings PUBLIC CONIMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY BARNES, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDARAS PRESENTED. Minutes a. Pluuiiiig Coxrunission Regular Meeting - December 20, 2000 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. First Amendment to the Development Agreement Between the Citv of Lake Elsinore and Marinita Development Com~anv Coxnmissioner Barnes excused himself from the room at 7:03 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is an amendment to the Development Agreement between the City of Lake Elsinore and Marinita Development Company. He indicated that this parcel is located on Grand Avenue, adjacent to Withrow School. He stated that the existing Development Agreement has expired and that another developer is interested in building 140 single-family homes to similu standards as the other tracts in the area. He stated that the owner has had financial troubles. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that Forecast Homes is a reputable builder and they have entered into an agreement with the City to build single family homes. Commuxury Development Director Brady indicated that the Amendment, prepared by the City Attorney, will extend the Development Agreement to February 28, 2004 and reduces the DAG fees to $1000. He noted that many of the public improvements have already been constructed which is why it would be jusufied to lower the DAG fees. Community Development Director Brady stated that the Development Agreement was originally brought before the Pluining Coxrunission. He stated that the Planning Comrnission would send a recommendation to Ciry Council who will take the final action. Community Development Director Brady indicated that staff has received a nuxnber of PAGE 2- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINL7TES - Jt1NiJARY 17, 2001 phone calls regarding this action. He assured the residents that the zoning is not being changed. Chairxnan Wilsey opened the public hearing at 7:05 pm. Scott Rolley,15233 North Lake Drive, asked if the homes would be single story. Susan Rial, 30518 Via Loxna Sueet, indicated that the propercy is at a higher elevation than her properry. She indicated she was concerned about the water drainage and the type of homes that will be built - one story or two stories. She also noted that the only fence that is existent at this time is the wood fence that she built. She stated that if a horse trail is to be provided she would like a taller block wall than provided with the other tracts. Sandy Star, 30300 Grand, indicated that her primary concern is the location of the main access to the development as her house is adjacent to Withrow School. She also asked if staff knew what the development would look like. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is an Amendment to the Development Agreement. He stated that before any building can take place, the Planuuig Cottvxussion and City Council will hold Public Hearings on the map. He stated that it is at these meetings that drainage, access, and the trail system will be discussed. He indicated that these hearings should take place sometime in February. He noted that the applicant must also apply for Design Review. He indicated that it would be at this stage that the applicant would provide renderings of the homes and the different types of homes to be offered. Community Development Director Brady indicated that there would most likely be a xnuc of one and two story homes. He reiterated that there would be at least three more meetings before any building can take place. Cha;rman VU'ilsey indicated that the developer that built the adjacent tracts worked with the city and came up with a solution that alleviated many of the concerns of the residents. He stated that this would happen with this development also. Susan Rial asked why some people did not receive notice of tonight's meeting. Community Development Director Brady indicated that Public Hearing notices are sent to the propeny owners who own property within a 300-foot radius of the subject properry. He noted that the notice is also published in the paper. Chairinau Wilsey stated that the hope is that the people who received the notices would talk with the neighbors and inform them of the meeting times if they had concerns. Da~e M, 30523 Audelo, indicated that this is a rural azea and that he did not want two story houses. He stated he probably owns the lowest lot in the area and he was concemed about drainage. He also inquired abourtraffic. He stated that kids ride their bikes in the road and he is concerned about their safety. There being no fiirther comments, Chainnui Wilsey closed the public hearing at 7:15 pm. Commissioner Nash stated that he had his questions answered by staff and he had no further comments. Commissioner Matthies indicated all of her concerns have been answered. She indicated that it is good that the neighbors came out to the meetings. - Commissioner Polk indicated that he had no concerns. He stated he talked to staff regarding the DAG #ees and was ensured that the public improvements are almost complete. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT THE FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMIvIISSION MINUI'ES - JANiJARY 17, 2001 Coinnussioner Barnes returned to the meeting at 7:18 pm. BUSINESS ITEMS 3. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this tract was approved and much - of the improvements, such as grading, curbs, and utilities, were completed prior to the recession. He stated that in the last 80's the developer went bu~upt. He indicated that the lots sat and became overgrown with scrub and weeds. He noted that when Granite Homes began to development the property, the Ariny Corps of Engineers stated that the properry was habitat. Community Development Director Brady indicated that Granite Homes has paid approximately $1 million extra to mitigate and come up with a habitat conservation plan. Community Development Director stated that the Ciry already dedicated 29 acres of zoned Open Space land to the Center for Natural Lands Management (CNLNn to help meet the requirements of Fish and Wildlife. He stated that the City had no monies to maintain these lands. He indicated that Granite has also had to purchase land outside of this tract to set aside as habitat land. Community Development Director Brady indicated that Fish and Wildlife has now determined that they want an additiona14.2 acres of land. He stated this land would also be deeded to GNLM. He noted that Granite Homes will be paying the City $3,000 per acre. He noted that this action would permit Granite to continue with the development. He noted that these requirements by Fish and Wildlife are of great concern to the Ciry and some landowners as it may prevent reasonable development of property. He stated that stated law required that before the property can be dedicated to CNLM the Planning Coxnmission needs to determine that the properry is consistent with the General Plan. -- Commissioner Barnes stated that this is e~ctortion. He asked that since the land will be owned by the GNLM will they assume responsibility for keeping the motorcycles off the land. He noted that CNLM should at least pay their fair share to the City and Sheriff s Office. Corcunissioner Nash concurred with Comcnissioner Barnes' comments. Commissioner Polk noted that he had no further comments. He indicated that he shared Commissioner Barnes' thoughts on the motorcycle problems. Coxnxnissioner Matthies concurred with the previous comments. Community Development Director Brady noted that Granite Homes has also been required to put up screening on the fencing so that cats can not get through the fence. He stated that Fish and Wildlife is concerned that the cats will go after the birds. He noted that there was also talk of requiring Granite Homes to put in the CC&.R's that those homes backing up to the Open Space that they could not own cats. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO CONCUR WITH THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT, DETERMINE THAT THE CONVEYANCE OF LOTS D AND E BY GRANT DEED TO CNLM AMOUNTS TO A DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY IN CONFORMITY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, AND DIRECT STAFF TO FORWARD A COPY OF THIS REPORT AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REPORT AND DETERMINATION AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 65402 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE TOT HE CITY COUNCIL. PAGE 4- PLf1NNING COMMISSION MINiJTES - JANiJARY 17, 2001 4. Commissioner Matthies excused herself from the room at 7:30 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the School District is required by law to notify the City before they acquire land for new school sites. He stated that the Planning Comxnission must make a deterxninarion if the parcel is in conformance with the Land Use Element of the General Pian. Communiry Development Director Brady first stressed that the City is not against new schools. He stated that the School District is looking at acquiiing a parcel of land on Riverside Drive. He stated that the parcel is part Commercial and part Single Family Residential. He noted that schools are not allowed in the Commercial zone. He stated that the Plaiuung Commission must make a finding that the action is not consistent with the General Plan. Churmui Wilsey explained the location of the parcel for the audience's information. Commissioner Nash stated that he thought the School District's judgment was poor in choosing this parcel of land. He noted that the property on both sides are Commercial. He stated that there are other auailable parcels that would better meet the needs of the School District. He indicated that this parcel has access off a State Highway and this will not be safe for the chitdren. Commissioner Nash further stated that he thinks this action will cause conflict in the future for the adjacent uses. Commissioner Barnes stated that he concLUred with Commissioner Nash's comments. He noted that the School Distria broke ground on the new school in the M-i zone today. He stated that this would require the Planning Coxxunission to closely review any future uses in a quarter mile radius to make sure the use is compatible with a school. He stated this destroyed the purpose of the M-1 zoning. He stated that the same thing would occur with this parcel and any future Commercial uses. Coxnmissioner Barnes stated that he concurred with staff s findings. Commissioner Polk stated that he concurs with the previous Commissioner comments and Staff s fmdings. He stated that this would impact the traffic on Riverside Drive as high school students drive cars. Chairmau Wilsey concurred with these comments. He noted for the audience's sake that the M-1 zone that Commissioner Barnes was referring to is located on Chaney. He further stated hat the City has a very limited suppiy of Commercial and Industrial propeny and any property that is removed from these uses would mean fewer jobs and less taxes. Community Development Directar Brady stated that the City has no control over any aspect of the siting or construction of schools. He noted that the City is not even given the opportuniry to review plans or perforxn inspections. Commissioner Barnes stated that tonight's action means nothing, as the School District will do whatever they want. Chairman Wilsey reiterated that tlus is just a forxnaliry that is required. MOVED BY POLK, SECONbED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO CANCUR WITH THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT, DETERMINE THAT THE LOCATION OF A SCHOOL IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH COMMERCIAL USES AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE GENERAL PLAN, AND DIIZECT STAFF TO FORWARD A COPY OF THIS REPORT AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REPORT AND DETERMINATION AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 21151.2 OF THE PUBLIC RESOURCES CODE TO THE LAKE ELSINORE UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT GOVERNING BOARD. Commissioner Matthies returned to the meeting at 7:40 pm. PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINiTI'ES - JANUARY 17, 2001 INFORMATIONAL ADJOURNED TO DESIGN REVIEW CONIMITTEE The Plaiuung Commission adjourned to the Design Review Committee at 7:40 pm. The Plam~uig Coxnxnission reconvened at 7:41 pm. STAFF COMMENTS Communitv Development Director Bradv commented on the following: He mentioned and provided copies of an article that was printed in the LA Times which stated some negative things about Lake Elsinore. He stated that the City Council will have a Study Session regarding the Multi Species Habitat Conservation Plan at 3:00 pm in the Cultural Center on January 25. He stated that the Commissioner s and anyone else who would like to attend are invited. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Commissioner Nash commented on the followine: He thanked the residents who attended tonight's meeting. He noted that the MSHCI' is a huge plan being prepared by the Counry that will designate habitat for up to 160 species. He indicated that he personally believes that the Ciry is getting the short end of the sdck, as the City is being required to set aside 8,000 to 10,000 acres. Commissioner Barnes commented on the followinQ: He concurred with Coimnissioner Nash. He also thanked those in the audience for attending the meeting. Cominissioner Polk commented on the followinQ: He stated that Redi Mui is dropping wet cement on Lake Street. He asked if staff could talk to them. He stated he has received complaints that the cement is drying on cars and niiniug the paint jobs. He stated that there are kids who are driving dirt bikes after school between 2:00 and 4:00 pm in his neighborhood. He stated that they are very loud and are a danger to the younger children that aze playing in the area. He stated that the motorcycles belong on the motorcross track and not on neighborhood streets. Community Development Director Brady recommended that the Sheriff s office be called while the children are out riding the motorcycles. He stated that this is a Sheriff matter as it is occurring on the public right-of-way. He noted he would also bring it up to the Police Chief. He also concurred with comments voiced by the other Commissioners. He thanked those is attendance for coming to the meeting. He noted that this is the best time to voice their concerns - at the beginniug of the process. Comcnissioner Matthies commented on the followine: She concurred with the other comments. PAGE 6- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - JANCTARY 17, 2001 She asked that those in attendance let their neighbors know about any future meeting notices they receive that their neighbors may not have received. She also noted that she has heazd more complaints about the dust out at the Motorcross Track. Community Development Director Brady stated that the Conditional Use Pemut is up for review. He stated that the track is much more successfixl than originally thought and there is much more activiry than originally addressed. He stated that the original conditions would need to be re-evaluated based on the number of people who are attending the track. Chairman Wilsev commented on the followin~ He asked if there would be a Study Session on the Forecast Homes project. Communiry Development Director Brady stated that the applicant is hoping to more through the process quickly. He stated the map would come before the Conuiussion in February. Chairxnan Wilsey stated he is concerned about the trail system being removed from the project and about the lot sizes. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND CARRIED BY UNt1NIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 7:54 PM. Respectfully Submitted c~l -~~ ruka Hennings ommuniry evelopment Secretary ~obert A. Brady, Secretary~o the Pluming Conumssion MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSIOIV MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2001 The Regular Pluming ComTnission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Chairman Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: CONIMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Ciry Engineer O'Donnell, Senior Planner Morita, and Community Development Secretary Hennings PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY BARNES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ('AT.ENDAR AS PRESENTED. Minutes a. Pluuiing Commission Regular Meeting - January 17, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Tentative Tract Map No. 24213. Amendment No. 1"Forecast Homes" Commissioner Barnes excused himself from the room at 7:03 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request to subdivide approximately 38 acres into 144 single-family residential lots. He noted that Tentative Tract Map No. 24213 was originally approved in 1989 and only two phases were finaled and built- out. He indicated that this request is for the reinaining phases. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that the lots would range in size from 6,419 square feet to 18,275 square feet with the average lot size being 8,930 square feet. He stated that this results in a density of 3.74 dwelling units per acre, which is below the allowable si~c dwelling units per acre. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the Development Agreement was eactended by the City Council at a previous meeting. He noted that this is the next step in the process. He stated that some concerns previously mentioned included access, drainage, and the equestrian trail. He stated that the equestrian trail would not be a part of this tract map, however, the City is looking at extending the trail along the McVicker Canyon storm drain channel that would provide a direct link to McVicker Park and the Cleveland National Forest. Community Development Director Brady requested that on page 7 of the staff report, the title "Prior to Issuance of Grading Permit" be moved from before Condition No. 14 to PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - FEBRUARY 7, 2001 ixsunediately before Condiuon No. 10. He noted that the next step in the process would be the Design Review submittal. Chairman Wilsey opened the public hearing at 7:08 pm. Mr. Ray Williams, 15245 North Lake Drive, stated that he is concerned about the elevations. He stated that his lot was considered a view lot. He indicated that he has a wrought iron fence and he is concerned that a two-stnry house will have a direct view into his back yard. Mr. Williazns stated his lot backs up to Lot 130. Mr. Brian Spilman, VI' of Forecast Homes, indicated that he has been encouraged by the response by staff. He noted that there is approximately 24 feet between the pad elevation of lot 130 and Mr. Williams's lot. Mr. Spilxnan noted that Forecast Homes would not have a problem with hand picking certain lots to have single story houses. Mr. Spilxnan requested that Condirion No. 28 be changed to read "... prior to grad'uig permit issuance." He requested the same change be made to Condition No. 36. Community Development Director Brady indicated that staff does not have a problem with these changes. There being no further comments, Chairman Wilsey closed the public hearing at 7:12 pm. Commissioner Polk asked for the current location of the equestrian txail. Communiry Development Director Brady included that the trail is not included in the tract map. He noted that in the previously approved tract map the trail was located along the southern and western boundaries. Commissioner Polk asked where the flood channel is compared to the tract map. Community Development Director Brady referenced an exhibit showing the location of the proposed trail. Chairxnan Wilsey indicated that staff is moving back to the preferred location of the equestrian trail. He stated that in the past the County Flood Control was not willing to work with the City and allow the trail to be located along the channel. He stated that that was the only reason the trail was included in the tract map. Chairman Wilsey reiterated that the channel has always been the preferred location for the trail. Commissioner Polk asked who would maintain Lot A, the detention basin. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that as there is no home owners associauon, the City would maintain the detention basin. Comxnissioner Nash stated he was also interested in Lot A and the need to be sure all requirements are met. He thanked Mr. Spilman for attending the meeting and his willuigness to work with the existing homeowners. Commissioner Matthies stated she was concerned about the equestrian trail until she heard the reasons for changing .the location. She noted that the lot sizes looked good. She reiterated that it is important to for the applicant to work with the e7usting homeowners. Chairman Wilsey asked if Lot A would be maintained by Riverside County Flood Control. City En~neer O'Donnell stated that it would not. Chairnian Wilsey noted the changes that will be made to the tides in the Conditions of Approval as well as the changes in Condition No. 28 and 36. He asked if there should be a condition added requiruig the developer to work with the homeowners. Community Development Director Brady suggested that the following sentence could be included as the second sentence in Condition No. 18: "The plotting of houses shall reasonably ininimize visual access to e~sting properties." Commissioner Polk noted Condition No. 42 and asked for confirmation that all utilities would be underground. Community Development Director Brady indicated that Condition No. 42 is referencing large transmission type lines and that all electrical lines in this tract will be underground. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUfES - FEBRUARY 7, 2001 MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-01, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAI{E ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE APPROVAL OF TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 24213, AMENDMENT NO. 1 WITH THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED CHANGES TO THE TITLE IN THE CONDITIONS AS WELL AS THE CI-IANGES TO CONDITIONS N0.18, 28, AND 36. Cominissioner Barnes returned to the meeting at 724 pm. 3. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that this item was presented to the Plazuiuig Comcnission on December 6, 2000. He stated that at that meeting there was concerns about traffic and the item was tabled. He indicated that the City Council and Plazuring Commission held a Study Session on December 20, 2000. He noted that at the study session these concerns were addressed and in January the Planning Cominission agreed to bring the item back for consideration. He asked Senior Planner Morita to give a brief review of the request. Senior Planner Morita noted that this project includes four separate applications: General Plan Amendment, Specific Plan Amendment, Design Review, and Addendum to an EIR. He stated that the Design Review includes a 142-unit apartment complex. He showed the color e~ibits. He noted that previously mentioned concerns include the location of the tot lot, which is addressed with Condition No. 29, and clearance from Southern California Edison, which is resolved with Condition No. 40. He stated that at the Study Session, the City Council requested that the Plazming Cominission reconsider the project. He noted that since the original meeting new conditions have been added. He stated that the entire project is located within Redevelopment Area No. 2 and as such the developer must comply with state law that requires that affordable housing uxuts be provided. He stated that of the 142 nnits, 22 must be affordable units. He noted that in order to comply with state law, the applicant has three choices, 1) to provide the necessary units, 2) to pay in lieu fees, or 3) a combination of one and two. He stated that new condition No. 41 has been included to address this requirement. Senior Planner Morita stated that there is also a requirement that all new development in the City must participate in the citywide Community Facilities District (CFD). He stated that this is addressed with Condirion No. 42. Senior Planner Morita indicated that staff recommends that the Pluuung Commission recommend approval to the City Council based on the findings and Conditions of Approval in the staff report. Chairman Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 730 pm. Mr. Glen Daigle stated that he is the architect for the project and is here representing Oak Grove Equities. He indicated that the applicant understands the need to include affordable housing, however, he would like the Planning Comxnission to remove the condition requiring participation in the CFD. He stated he has two questions: 1) What is the amount per unit or what is the formula that the ciry will use to determine the cost and 2) Where is it stated, by city charter or ordinance, that all residential development must participate in the CFD? He stated that no one has been able to answer these questions. Mr. Daigle stated that he is not able to pass on the cost to renter in the same way that a homebuilder is able to pass on the cost. Mr. Daigle further asked that all of these issues be resolved without any fiuther continuances. There being no further comments, Chairniazi Wilsey closed the public hearing at 734 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the condition requiring participating in the CFD has been included in several other projects. He stated that it has not yet been determined what the cost per unit will be however it is estimated that it will be azound PAGE 4- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - FEBRUARY 7, 2001 $350.00 per single family residence. He noted that apartments would probably be less. Community Development Director Brady indicated that housing does not pay for itself. He stated that this is a citywide CFD to be used towards maintenance and public safety. Chairman Wilsey noted that he did not see the condition included in the previous item on tonight's agenda. Community Development Director Brady indicated that Forecast Homes is already in a CFD area. Commissioner Barnes stated that the condition is currendy too vague. He indicated that staff needs to clarify. Community Development Director Brady indicated that if a developer has a different approach, they could bring their proposal to the City. He concurred that the condition is vague, however the CFD is not yet established. Commissioner Barnes asked the tieveloper their tentarive timeline. Mr. Daigle stated that they need to get started as soon as possible. He stated they do not have full financing yet, however they hope to start grading this siunmer with occupancy in 2002. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the Franlclin Street connection is in the design stage and construction should hopefully get started this summer. Coinmissioner Nash asked for the estimated timeline on establishing the CFD. Community Development Director Brady stated it would be at least several more months. Commissioner Nash stated he understood the City's position but he is also sympathetic with the applicant. He noted it is hard to plan without having all the answers. Commissioner Nash stated he is pleased to hear that the Frat~lilin connection is moving forward. He asked if staff has heard back from Cal Trans regarding the Railroad Canyon interchange. Community Development Director Brady stated that staff is currently going over their comments. He stated that a meeting would be scheduled to review their comments. Commissioner Nash asked abour the Camino Del Norte extension to Main Street. Community Development Director Brady stated that that connection is not funded at this time. Commissioner Nash stated he is not sure what to say about Condition No. 42. He said there needs to be more discussion. Comnussioner Polk stated that it appears to be double tasation. He noted that the Condition should not be included if there are no answers at this time. Commissioner Polk asked the City Engineer about the timeline for the Railroad Canyon Road interchange improvements. City En~neer O'Donnell stated that before construction can take place a project study report must be completed and an alternative selected. He stated that once this is accomplished then the project moves on to the design and environmental clearance stage. He said it would be 2-3 yeazs. He noted that if Cal Trans is willing to work with the Ciry, there might be temporary solutions such as widening the ramps. Community Development Director Brady stated that staff would keep the Planning Commission informed. Commissioner Polk stated he did not want to see this fall through the cracks. Community Development Director Brady stated that this is a priority for the City. Corxunissioner Matthies stated that she concurs with Coxrunissioner Nash. She stated that she understands both sides but atressed that the applicant can not plan if they do not know what they aze agreeing to. Commissioner Matthies thanked the applicant for agreeing to move the tot lot; however it is now surrounded on three sides by parking. She asked if the tot lot would be fenced. Mr. Daigle stated that he would like to suggest moving it more to the north of the site, by the barbecue. He noted the tot lot would be fenced with a key operated gate. He noted the applicant is tentatively plazuung on including benches for the parents, play equipment geared towards younger kids, and a soft play surface. He stated that the applicant is also looking at induding speed bumps and signage in the area waining of children playing. Commissioner Matthies thanked them for their efforts. Cha+rr.~a„ Wilsey noted that Condirion No. 29 would need to be changed to reflect the new location of the tot lot. Senior Planner Morita suggested the condition be revised to read "The project's tot lot will be relocated to an area subject to the approval of the Community PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - FEBRUARY 7, 2001 Development Director." Chairman Wilsey noted that a developer could not build anything without knowing the total cost. He stated that the City should not be including this condition until the CFD is formalized. He suggested striking the condition. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND PASSED BY A 4-1 VOTE WITH BARNES CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-02, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE - ELSINORE APPROVAL OF THE ADDENDUM TO THE 1992 FINAL CITY CENTER SPECIFIC PLAN EIR. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY A 4-1 VOTE WITH BARNES CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-03, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE APPROVAL OF GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT NO. 00-04 TO AMEND THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN TO ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN THE ELSINORE CITY CENTER SPECIFIC PLAN AREA. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY A 4-1 VOTE WITH BARNES CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-04, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NO. 1 TO THE ELSINORE CITY CENTER SPECIFIC PLAN, TO REDESIGNATE AN 8.2-ACRE PARCEL FROM "GENERAL COMMERCIAL" AND TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, WITH THE DELETION OF CONDITION NO. 42 AND THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED CHANGE TO CONDITION NO. 29. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND PASSED BY A 4-1 VOTE WITH BARNES CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-05, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE APPROVAL OF RESIDENTIAL DESIGN REVIEW NO. 00-02 FOR A PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX ALONG GRAPE STREET. BUSINESS ITEMS 4. Community Development Director Brady indicated that La Laguna Estates would dedicate an easement for the new fire station to be located in McVicker Park. He stated that this item is a determination that this conveyance of property will conforxn with the General Plan. There were no comments or questions from the Commissioners. MOVED BY BARNES, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO CONCUR WITH THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT, DETERMINE THAT THE CONVEYANCE OF THE ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE CITY BY LA LAGUNA AMOUNTS TO AN ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY IN CONFORMITY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, AND DIRECT STAFF TO FORWARD A COPY OF THIS REPORT AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REPORT AND DETERMINATION AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 65402 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. PAGE 6- PLANNING COMIvIISSION MINLITES - FEBRUARY 7, 2001 5. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the City wouid be obtaining road right-of-way for the Camino Del Norte e~rtension. He noted that the Planning Commission needs to deterxnine that this action is in conformance with the General Plan. The Commissioners had no comments or questions. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY BARNES AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO CONCUR WITH THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT, DETERMINE THAT THE CONVEYANCE OF THE LAND FOR THE ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE CITY BY FRIEDMAN HOMES, INC. AMOUNTS TO AN ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY IN CONFORMITY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, AND DIRECT STAFF TO FORWARD A COPY OF THIS REPORT AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REPORT AND DETERMINATION AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 65402 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. INFORMATIONAL ADjOURNED TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE The Planning Commission adjourned to the Design Review Committee at 8:00 pm. The Planning Commission reconvened at 8:04 pm. STAFF COMMENTS Communitv Develooment Director Bradv commented on the following: He menuoned that the EDC Luncheon would be tomorrow at 1130 in the Cultural Center. He stated that Stewart Faluiry of the TT Group would be giving a presentation of the Alberhill Sports and Entertainment Center project. PLANNING CAMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Coimnissioner Nash commented on the followine: He questioned if it was the responsibility of the Plaunuig Comxnission to deal with the CFD issue and stxucture fees. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the Plazu~uig Commission did not set the fees. He noted that staff would like to include everytl~uig in the conditions that might come up in the futvre and the CFD is an example of this. He stated that this condition was also included with LUSK, which did not have a problem with the condition. Commissioner Barnes stated that these maintenance issues should be covered by tases. Commissioner Nash wncurred. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the Planning Comcnission has the option to recommend any condirion be deleted if they so desire. Commissioner Barnes commented on the followine: None. Com~nissioner Polk commented on the followine: He stated that he is glad that the Placmiug Commission decided to remove the condition. He stated that this requirement needs to be law before it can be included. PAGE 7- PLANNING CONIMISSION MINiJ'TES - FEBRUARY 7, 2001 Commissioner Matthies commented on the followine: • She stated that she is glad the Ciry is keeping current and that the signs on the sidewalks now include scooters. Chairman Wilsev commented on the followin~ • He formally requested that the trail along the channel be included on the next update of the five-year CIP schedule. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY BARNES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 822 PM. G Respectfully Submitted ~ ` onika Hennings, ommunity evelopment Secretary MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAI~E ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 21, 2001 The Regular Pluuiing Cominission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Chairman Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Polk. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: CONIMISSIONERS: Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Associate Planner Miller, and Community Development Secretazy Hem~ings PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY BARNES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDARAS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Plannuig Cominission Regular Meeting - February 7, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Business Park - APN 377-120-016 Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for outdoor storage yards within at three units within the Collier Avenue Business Park. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the request with the Comrnission. Associate Planner Miller stated that this is a request for outdoor storage for lots 3, 4, and 5 of Parcel Map 29325. She indicated that there will be a sui-foot high masoxuy wall to screen the storage yard. She stated that no storage material shall be stored higher than the screening wall or be visible from the public right-of-way. She stated that staff recommends that the Plaiuung Comaussion approve this request. Chainnazi Wilsey opened the public hearing at 7:02 pm. There being no requests to speak, Chairmau Wilsey closed the public hearing at 7:03 pm Commissioner Nash indicated he had no comments. Commissioner Matthies noted that she had no concerns. PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINU'fES - FEBRUARY 21, 2001 Commissioner Polk asked if it was normal to have a Conditional Use Perxnit run with the land and not haue a time limit. Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff has reviewed this issue and feels that there are sufficient conditions to prevent any problems in the future. Commissioner Barnes asked if the applicant agreed to the conditions. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the applicant had received a copy of the conditions and she had not heard from them regarding any concerns. Cha;,,,,a„ Wilsey indicated that he had no comments. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY BARNES AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-07, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING CONIMISSION OF THE CITY OF i.AKF. ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, CiJI' NO. 2000-10 FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR THREE LOTS, LOT 3, 29365 HUNCO WAY, LOT 4, 29375 HUNCO WAY, AND LOT 5, 29385 HUNCO WAY WITHIN COLLIER AVENUE BUSINESS PARK - APN 377-120-016. 3. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for a Conditional Use Pernut for a church to occupy 217 North Main Street, the current location of Food Smarts. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the project with the Comnvssion. Associate Planner Miller requested to make a change to the first sentence on the first page of the staff report under "Request". She noted that she refers the name of the market as "Alamo Mazket" and she was just told that it had changed names a while back to "Food Smarts". She also noted that she left out some numbers and clarified that throughout the staff report, the Conditional Use Perxnit number should be "2000-07" and the address should be "217 North Main Street". Associate Planner Miller stated that the proposed site is approximately 1.4 acres and the building is approximately 15,000 squaze feet. She noted that the applicant is proposing to remodel the eYisting building to include a 3,360 square foot sanctuazy with 210 seats, classrooms, offices, and other associated uses. She sated that the applicant will repaint the building and reroof the entry awnuigs. She indicated that the parking lot would be reconfigured to include 70 pazking spaces and will landscape over 21% of the project site. Associate Planner Miller stated that one of the concems of staff is the parking. She stated that the project as proposed would be deficient 12 pazking spaces. She noted that past projects haue been approved if the deficiency falls within 10% of the requirements. She indicated that this concern is addressed by Condition No. 10, which limits the maxim~ number of people who attend the Sunday service to 195, which will keep the pazking deficienry to below 10%. Associate Planner Miller stated that Condition No. 3 requests the applicant to mute the building colors. She stated that the applicant is also conditioned to remove the free standing pole sign. She stated that the final concern is addressed by Condition No. 5, which required the applicant to use flat concrete tile in place of the proposed asphalt shingles. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the project would improve the physical appearance of this site and structure, however if approved a building would be removed from retail use. She stated that staff is requesting that the Plaiming Commission consider this request for a Conditional Use Perxnit. Ch~ Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:09 pm. Pastor Jim Hilbrant, Elsinore Chrisuan Center, 119 East Graham Ave, Lake Elsinore, thanked the Pluuung Commission for considering this request, thanked staff for their hard work, and thanked those who came out tonight. He stated he has been pastor of Elsinore Christian Center for the last 15 years. He outlined many of the accomplishmenu of the PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINIJTES - FEBRUARY 21, 2001 church and different members of the congregation. He noted that there are some members of the congregation that moved to Lake Elsinore to be near Elsinore Christian Center and others who drive from surrounding cities, including Riverside, Sun City, and Murrieta. Pastor Hilbrant stated that the church has been in the current location for the last nine years. He stated that currently the church uses two buildings, which will be freed up if the Conditional Use Pemut is approved. He noted that the church currently has no parking and this causes problexns especially when other events are taking place downtown. He stated that the church would like to move so that there is more space and,parking. Pastor Hilbrant noted that buildings do change use. He stated that the building they are meeting in tonight was built in 1923 to be used as a church. He stated that the City purchased the building in 1994. He asked if the city could buy a church for a meeting hall, why can't a church buy a grocery store for a house of worship. Pastor Hilbrant stated that he understands the concerns, however there are two other grocery stores in the downtown area. He indicated that there are 12 other churches in the Citywith Conditional Use Permits and only one provides it's own parking. He stated that all the others share parking through shared parking agreements. Pastor Hilbrant stated that Elsinore Christian Center requested a Conditional Use Permit eleven years ago to move the faciliry to Birch Street within an M-1 zone. He stated that after Elsinore Christian Center spent over $5,000 the request was turned down because churches aze not compatible with Industrial uses. He stated that the church has sa~ed money, waited, prayed, and looked and Elsinore Christian Center feels that this location is the right locarion. He stated that the proposed site currently is covered with graffiti, the roof leaks, and the building is run down. He stated that once they are done, the building would look just as good, if not better, as the color e~ibit shows. He stated that the church is currendy land locked and they desperately need space to grow. He asked for the Plaiuiuig Commission's help. Pastor Jack Warford, First Southern Bapust Church, indicated that when he received the letter from Pastor Hilbrant he prayed. He indicated that the City is growing and needs to - grow in all areas including encomically, physically, and spiritually. He noted that as people get involved in the church, they become better citizens. He stated he would like to ditto Pastor Hilbrant and request a favorably consideration. Steve Hawkuis, 18169 Ballard Avenue, Lake Elsinore, stated that he is the designer and draftsman of the project. He indicated he would be available for any questions. Charleen Proctor stated that she has been the owner of Food Smarts, Inc. and Alamo Recycling for the last 14 years. She stated she has worked and lived in the valley for the last 23 years. She indicated she presently employees 10 people, some who have worked at the market for 15 years. She noted she is not open on Sundays as a courtesy to the Ciry so that the parking lot is available for use during the different functions that are held downtown. Ms. Proctor said she has brought a needed service to the community and service between 250 and 400 customers per day. She stated that just today, she was able to obtain 400 signatures of people who want to see Food Smarts and Alamo Recycling remain open. Ms. Proctor stated that in the last 14 years, she has collected enough recyclable materials to fill the lake 3 1/2 times. She noted that that the Ciry did not meet their recycling goal in 2000, but Alamo Recycling was a big contributor in the effort. Ms. Proctor stated that her heart and family has always been in the valley. Bill Lowder, 800 West 6`~, 5`~ Floor, Los Angeles, stated that him and his wife operate Christian Commercial Services. He indicated that they are church consultants and realtors that help churches throughout the area obtain Conditional Use Permits and purchase buildings. He stated he has had the privilege to work on this project and thanked staff for their hard work. He noted he would also like to concur with Pastor Hilbrant's comments. He noted that regardless of the outcome tonight, the property is for sale and noted that there is a very good chance that the building will be put to a different use. He stated that the proposed project would greatly enhance the downtown area. PAGE 4- PLANNING COMMISSION MII~IiJTES - FEBRUARY 21, 2001 Kathleen Maxwell, 33575 Valencia Street, Wildomar, indicated that she has lived in the area since 1974 and has watched the city grow. She stated she first met Ms. Proctor 24 years ago and noted that she strives to help all ~oups, including the elderly, children, and the less fortunate. Ms. Maxwell ga~e a brief background of the employees working for Ms. Proctor. She indicated that Ms. Proctor runs the market on her own with only the help of her ten employees. She stated that in order to keep costs down, Ms. Proctor picks up her own groceries and delivers the recycling herself. Ms. Maxwell outlined many of the benefits she brings to the communiry including sponsoring the Student of the Month. She reiterated that this is a profitable business. Ms. Maxwell stated that if the Condirional Use Permit is approved, ten people will be out of work, a lady will be out of a business, and the Ciry will be out of taxes. Gary Adams, The P.O.W.E.R. House Church, stated that a church is the only entity that can bring people from out of town into a coxnmunity on a weekly basis. He stated that akhough a church does not provide taxes, it does create revenue for other businesses. He noted that some of the most successful cities have churches located downtown. Pastor Adams stated that other businesses, such as Stater Bros. and Wal Mart, have parking problems, so this should not be an issue. He asked the Planning Coxrunission to do the right thing and approve the Conditional Use Permit. Fred Rodriguez, Elsinore First Assembly, indicated he is joining with the rest to ask for approval. He stated Elsinore Christian Center has a good solid relationship for the last 15 years among the other church families and provides many benefits to the community. He stated that they desire to own their own facility. Pastor Rodriguez indicated that the building is currently semi-deteriorated and once Elsinore Christian Center is done, it will be the highlight of downtown. Frank Sandoval, Vineyard Christian Fellowship, asked that the Planning Cominission approve the Conditional Use Pernut. He stated that the Planning Comcnission's job is to uphold the laws of the land. He stated that Elsinore Christian Center is growing along with the community. He stated that people stay in the area after church and spend money in the community. He stated he feels for the owner of the xnarket. He noted that there are many business people within the different churches and stated that these people could help those left without a job. He stated that there is not a shortage of jobs in the community. Martina Casillas, 509 N Main Street, stated she has been employed by Food Smarts for six year. She stated she has su~ children dependent on her. She indicated that many people depend on this store. Gary Enniss, Lamb's Fellowship, indicated he is in favor of this project. He noted that often times cities do not want churches because of the lost tax dollazs. He indicated however, that churches bring hope to a community and help to needy families. He stated that at a larger facility, Elsinore Christian Center would be able to do a lot more to help the community. He noted that Lamb's Fellowship will be moving to their new facility on Railroad Canyon Road soon, so there will be one less church on Main Sueet. He asked the Planning Commission to see the benefit that this church can bring to the downtown area. Peter Caruso, 18550 Timberline Drive, Lake Elsinore, indicated that he was a pastor in Orange County for 35 years. He stated he now attends Elsinore Chrisuan Center. He noted he understands that all cities need money for law enforcement, etc., however Churches do help communities. He briefly esplained his experience with other churches, which through outreach programs helped reduce crime and renovated the community. He asked that the Planning Commission do the right thing, as Elsinore Christian Center needs the space for their programs. John Hayner, 21136 Denise Court, Wildomar, indicated he has worked at Mayhill Print Shop on Main Street for the last nine years. He indicated he has made it his duty and pleasure to visit neazly every storefront on Main Street on a daily basis. He noted he has seen businesses open and then shortly thereafter. He visits storeowners who are crying and just waiting for a customer. He stated that without traffic on Main Street, there are no customers. He stated that downtown is the heart of the city. He said it should not be about money, but rather about heart and spirit. He stated this community needs to be uplifted and stated that activiry PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - FEBRUARY 21, 2001 brings about positive results. Mr. Hayner stated his heart is broken about Food Smarts, however downtown needs vitality. John Williams stated he owns property at 120 and 169 North Main Street. He stated put substantial money into remodeling the building next door. He indicated that rent is stagnant and anything that can energize the downtown will be welcome. Rabbi Joseph Hilbrant, Bet Midrash Synagogue, stated he is Pastor Hilbrant's brother. He stated that many years ago Elsinore had a large Jewish communiry. He said as Rabbi he is determined to bring back that Jewish community. He noted that there is hate in the communiry and he has received a bomb threat, physical threats, and broken windows. He stated that the Jewish community is hesitant about Lake Elsinore and many have stated they would not come back until there is a larger Chrisuan Community. He stated he would love to see the Ciry prosper but there first needs to be a strong Christian center to rid the stigma of the past. Ron Sater, 22700 Running Rabbit Court, Canyon Lake, indicated he has known Ms. Proctor for the last 24 years. He said there is a strong needs for the service that Food Smarts does not only for this community but as well as people from surrounding communities. He noted that the person who stated there are two other grocery stores must not know what Ms. Proctor does for the Community. He stated that she sells 2000-3000 items a day. He stated she personally picks the items she is going to sell. Mr. Sater said recycling is state mandated and that even with her contribution from the Recycling Center the city has not reached their levels. Mr. Sater said that Ms. Proctor did not realize a petition would be needed, but she was able to obtain 400 signatures in one day. Mr. Sater stated that if a church is "expanding" they should be looking to take over a meeting hall such as the Cultural Center not move into a 15,000 square foot building. He noted that Ms. Proctor should have been given the first opportunity to purchase the property so she would not lose her business, but it was never presented to her. He suggested that Elsinore Christian Center use the money that they have saved to build a new facility, just like Lamb's Fellowship is doing. - Cindy G. stated she just moved to Lake Elsinore 6 months ago. She thanked Ms. Proctor for her generosity to the community. She noted that there are nuxnerous places she can move and wanted to point out that there is hope and there are numerous hands in the church family that would help. Edward, 1110 Buchanan Street, Lake Elsinore, stated he has been a member of Elsinore Christian Center for 12 years. He noted that if this project is approved an eyesore will be removed from downtown. Gary Homes, 32900 Riverside Drive, Lake Elsinore, noted there can be miscommunication and rumor. He indicated that at one time there was a rumor that Elsinore Chrisuan Center was going to run a soup kitchen and noted that that obviously never was the case. He stated he has been praying over this decision and feels Food Smarts and Alamo Recycling will prosper at a more suitable location. He noted that the owner is going to sell the building and there is no telling what the building may be used for ne~n. He said if the current tenant is unable to purchase the property, the store will have to be moved anyway. Sharon Himan, 33453 Adelfa Street, Lake Elsinore, stated that she used to be a pizza delivery person. She stated that downtown is a dangerous area. She indicated that she was placed in danger one night when around 8:00 pm she delivered a pizza to some apartments downtown. She stated that people, including the owner of the apartments, chastised her for placing herself in danger. She stated that a church presence would be a positive addition to the downtown area. Sandra Cruz stated that she is a cashier for Food Smarts. She indicated that she is a single mother of two boys and she thanks god every day for what Ms. Proctor does for the community. She stated that everybody needs the store to remain. She noted that it would be bad to lose the store and indicated that there are other churches. Sheryl McGill, 16914 Glenwood Way, Lake Elsinore, stated that she is the Food Pantry Coordinator for Elsinore Christian Center. She indicated she would like to ditto many of the PAGE 6- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUTES - FEBRUARY 21, 2001 previous comments. She thanked Ms. Proctor for her generous support of the Food Pantry and noted that Ms. Proctor is a strong and deternuned woman who will remain working. Ms. McGill indicated that they needed to buy a building and the market was for sale. She stressed that Elsinore Christian Church was not doing anything against Ms. Proctor. Robin Felix, 224 White Oak, Lake Elsinore, stated she kept moving around until she found a church and community she could call home. She said she is a dance instnxctor and one of her visions is to bring the youth off the streets by providing'dance, drama, and music classes. She noted that the church is not looking for a quick fis. James Gresham, 15020 Marcolesco Lane, Lake Elsinore, stated he has been a member of Elsinore Christian Center for sis years. He stated that the con~egation is too large to meet in the Cultural Center. He noted that Ms. Proctor herself has stated that her business is struggling. He guaranteed the building would look better if owned by the church. Laura Gresham, 15020 Mazcolesco Lane, Lake Elsinore, stated she moved to Lake Elsinore from Colorado about six years ago. She indicated she wanted to turn right around and head back until she found Elsinore Chrisuan Center. She said the Church has become her home and has helped her in so many different ways. She stated that the Church would serve the community like it has continued to serve her. Dixi, 209 N. Lewis indicated that the one aspect that has been overlooked is the human factor. She stated that there aze human lives that need to be mended. She noted that a person gives back to the community once healed. Ms. Proctor thanked the congregation for their kind words, but clarified that her business is not decluung. She stated she does not own the building and it has been difficult to get repairs made. Ms. Proctor noted that there aze no other facilities that will house both the market and the recycling center. She noted that the building was not for sale and Elsinore Christian Center sought out the building knowing it would put her out of business, even after all of her donations to the church. She reiterated that both Food Smarts and Alamo Recycling are needed. 'There being no further comments, Chairman Wilsey closed the public hearing at 8:14 pm. Coixunissioner Nash stated that the Coxxunission does not win tonight no matter what they decide. He said he agrees that both sides provide valuable services. He said the governing body needs to look at the non-emotional issues, and ensure that the General Plan is adhered to. He stated that it appears the Elsinore Christian Center is looking for a permanent home and not just a temporary use permit. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the request for a Conditional Use Pernut requires the Commission to deternune if the use is appropriate for the location. He stated that the CUP could be reviewed and revoked if there are adverse impacts on the surrounding area. Commissioner Nash indicated that the fear is the long-terxn impact. He stated that the issue is placing churches where churches are not usually allowed. He indicated that the Commission needs to look at the impact on the surrounding uses. He noted that there may not be an issue at this time but it may deter other businesses in the future. He indicated that if a business, such as a restaurant, wanted to obtain a liquor license, they may not be approved because of the nearness of a church. Commissioner Matthies stated that she concurs with Coxnmissioner Nash. She noted that it was wonderful to see such a large turn out and that she could feel the love in the room. She stated that the Planning Commission is made up of people from the community and it is their job to determine what is best for the community as a whole. Coxrunissioner Matthies stated that tax revenue is not one of her major concerns but tlus is one of the largest buildings in the azea. She stated that the church has done wonderlul tlvngs, but so has Food Smarts. She indicated that the church is strong and would continue to grow no matter where they aze located. She indicated that she has lived downtown for most of her life and has seen the people who rely on Food Smarts at their current location. PAGE 7- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUfES - FEBRUARY 21, 2001 Comxnissioner Polk asked the timeline for the transition. Associate Planner Miller stated she does not know the anticipated timeline. Comxnissioner Polk noted that the church that meets in the Cultural Center would be relocating leaving the meeting space open. Community Development Director Brady stated that this is a City building, although the City may consider renting it out if available. Garry Ennis, Lamb's Fellowship, reiterated that Elsinore Christian Center has a larger congregation than Lamb's Fellowship. He stated that they would not be able to use the Cultural Center. He also noted that Lamb's Fellowship only uses the Cultural Center for Sunday services. Commissioner Polk noted that if someone else buys the market, no one knows what the building may be used for. Ms. Proctor stated that the property is not for sale, this is a one parry deal. Pastor Hilbrant stated he was told by Centwy 21 that the building was for sale when they started looking for a new location. He indicated that he was told that the properry was for sale for several years but they owner just never put up any signs. Comcnissioner Polk asked for the location of Alamo Recycling. Ms. Proctor stated that Alamo Recycling is located on the back dock adjacent to Spring Street. She stated that when she asked Elsinore Military School, she was told that the property was not on the market. Commissioner Polk asked why staff is recommending approval. Chairinui Wilsey clarified that staff has left the decision up for Commission consideration. Commissioner Barnes indicated that the Commission was asked several times tonight to look past the tax dollars and he indicated he has and has looked at who uses the market. He stated that there are xnany that do not own cars and the store offers them a great service. He stated that staff is recommending that the pay phones be removed. He noted that there are also many who do not have phones who rely on these pay phones. He stated he is putting the people first and not the taz~ dollars. He stated that Elsinore is requesting a temporary use pernut however, he indicated that he could never see either the Plaruiing Commission or the City Council asking the church to move no matter what the circuxnstances. He stated that this would be a permanent move and he believes Food Smarts is better for the community. Chairman Wilsey agreed that the market does serve a vital service, however the building is deteriorating and it is an eyesore. He indicated that he does not know if Ms. Proctor has the money to purchase the building or do the required repairs. He stated he does not know if there will ever be too many churches and noted that there are not many buildings that they can occupy. He noted that it does not matter what the location or the zone, someone comes out and states that they do not want a church next door. He stated he would vote in favor of Elsinore Chrisuan Center. Chairman Wilsey stated that the owner has the right to sell the property and Food Smarts has the right to come back with a counter offer if so desired. Chairxnan Wilsey indicated that he believes Elsinore Christian Center will be an asset to downtown. ChauYi~azi Wilsey asked if there was any fiirther discussion. There being none, he called for the question. MOVED BY POLK TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-06, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, FOR APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 2000- 07 FOR A CHURCH CONVERSION FOR ELSINORE CHRISTIAN CENTER LOCATED AT 217 NORTH MAIN - APN 374-164-005. The Motion died for lack of second. Chairman Wilsey asked for any fiirther comments or another motion. PAGE 8- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUi'ES - FEBRUARY 21, 2001 MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND DENIED BY A 2-3 VOTE WITH BARNES, MATTHIES, AND NASH CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTES FOR RESOLUTION NO. 2001-06. BUSINESS ITEMS None. INFORMATIONAL ADJOURNED TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE Chairnlan Wilsey called a recess at 835 pm Chairman Wilsey reconvened the meeting at 8:43 pm. The Platuiing Commission adjourned to the Design Review Committee at 8:43 pm. The Plauning Coxcunission reconvened at 8:46 pm. STAFF COMMENTS Community Develo~ment Director Bradv commented on the following: He noted that two Cornnussioners have been registered for the Planner's Institute in March. He indicated that tomorrows Chamber Mixer would be hosted by McDonald Douglas West Credit Union. He stated that they are looking for a pennanent locarion in the city. He stated that there would be a City Council study session for a budget review on March 1 at 3:00 pm. He indicated that the Commissioners are invited. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S CONIMENTS Commissioner Matthies commented on the followine: She commended staff for their hard work. She stated it was wonderful to see how each personality came through and yet are still able to work together and respect each other. Commissioner Polk commented on the followin~: He indicated that he felt the downtown area needed something positive to move it forward. He stated that the building has been allowed to go faz too long without repairs. He stated he felt good about the decision. Commissioner Nash commented on the followine: He stated that he agreed with Commissioners Matthies and Polk about the diversity of the Commission and is happy that the Commission can agree to disagree. He stated he made his decision purely on zoning and noted that the structure of the Conditional Use Perxnit was more like a permanent use. He noted that although the mazket is marginal in appearance it does serve a need. He stated it would be nice to see some cooperation from the owner for repairs and would like to see a commercial use remain in that location. Commissioner Barnes commented on the followine: PAGE 9- PLANNING CONIMISSION MINUTES - FEBRUARY 21, 2001 He concurred with Commissioner Nash and also agreed with Chairman Wilsey. He stated that a City can not have too many churches, but there can be too many churches in a commercial area. He said the I-15 corridor is booming and he has repeatedly said that it will be Lake Elsinore's turn ne~rt. He stated that they are the only city leh will vacant land and it would be shortsighted to not look ahead. He stated that the church was not asking for a temporary use pernut and they did not plan on moving. • He noted that the message sign at the Union 76 is the joke of the freeway. He asked that staff follow up and get it repaired. • He asked for the status of the Outlet Center. Community Development Director Brady stated that the Oudet Center is now under new management. He stated that they do plan on moving forward with the improvements. He noted that there are two new stores that are going through plan check for tenant improvements. • He asked for the status of the Frauklin extension. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the design phase is alxnost complete. He noted that the project is fully funded for this fiscal year. • He noted that there is grading taking place on Lakeshore and it appears that Sav-On xnay be moving forward. Community Development Director Brady confirmed. • He stated that the graffiti is getting out of control again. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that the ordinance was recently amended. He noted that before any abatement can take place on private property, the city must receive perxnission from the properry owner. Chairinui Wilsey asked if any of the offenders have been prosecuted. Community Development Director Brady indicated that he understands seven people have been apprehended and are going through the process. He said that the hard part is catching them. Chairman Wilsey suggested that a hot line or rewazd may be an option. Corcunissioner Barnes stated that the problem is getting the staff to clean up the graffiti. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the City does have staff but reiterated that the problem is when the graffiti is on private properry Chairman Wilsev commented on the followins~ • He stated that he felt tonight went very well. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN T: MEETING AT 9:05 PM. Respectfully Submitted ~/ J onika Hennings Community evelopment Secretary ~1 ii:, •: ~ L obert A. Brady, ecrE Plamung Commission the MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, MARCH 7, 2001 The Regular Plamiuig Coxrunission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Chairman Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Barnes. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Information / Communications Manager Dennis, and Communiry Development Secretary Hennings PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDARAS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Plauniug Cominission Regular Meeting - February 21, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. First Amendment to the Development A~reement between the Citv of Lake Elsinore and La La2una Estates Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is an amendment to the La Laguna Estates Development Agreement that is set to expire in July 2005. He stated that La Laguna Estates encompasses approxiinately 490 acres adjacent to McVicker Park and the Centex Homes development. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this request has three parts: a five year extension of the ori~nal 15 year agreement to expire in July 2010, a reduction in the Development Agreement Fees (DAG Fees) from $2,000.00 to $1,000.00 and an increase in plazuiing areas from 4 areas to 6 areas. He noted that the applicant is also amending the Specific Plan, which will be brought before the Planniug Commission at a later date. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the applicant has suffered hardship due to the economy. He stated that the specific plan is within CFD 88-3 and the development of the properry will help all those within the area. Community Development Director Brady indicated that staff is recommending approval of the Amendment to the Development Agreement. Chairman Wilsey opened the public hearing at 7:05 pm. Woody Woodworth indicated that he would like to see what is planned for the azea as he lives adjacent to the properry. He stated that when he bought his property Centex Homes told him that there would be no homes built and the cul-de-sac that he resides on would not be a connecting street. PAGE 2- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUTES - MARCH 7, 2001 There being no further comments, Chau-man Wilsey closed the public hearing at 7:08 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the process for holding a public hearing is changing slighdy. The Public Hearing must remain open from before staff s report through the Conmussioner s comments. He stated the hearing should be closed just prior to taking action on the agenda item. He stated that this change is being done on the request of the Ciry Council and CityAttorney. Community Development Director Brady indicated that La Laguna does not have a plan yet. He stated that the Specific Plan was adopted approximately 2 years ago and at that this it was for 660 residential homes, some single family attached and some single family detached. He stated that the applicant is in the process of revising the Specific Plan. He stated that when the Specific Plan Amendment is brought to the Planning Commission, staff would put up maps of the project. Cha;rn,a„ Wilsey asked why the applicant is asking for a reduction in DAG fees. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the applicant believes it is necessary. He stated that the development costs for the site are going to be high due the terrain. He indicated that the applicant has been marketing the properry but there has been no interest. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is part of the CFD 88-3. He stated that if that happened, it would be similar to what happened to the property that Forecast Homes purchased and the homeowners would suffer. He indicated that as with Forecast Homes, many of the improvements that were to be fmanced by the DAG fees have already been constructed. Commissioner Matthies indicated that she had no other comments. Coxrunissioner Polk asked about the sidewalks on the west side of Lincoln Avenue. He stated that the curbs are installed but not the sidewalks and asked if this was the responsibility of La Laguna. Community Development Director Brady indicated he would look into it. Comii~issioner Polk stated he would like to see a fitm coxruxutment from the developer that he will move forward with the project during the timeframe of agreement. He stated that if there were a chance that the applicant may ask for another e~tension, then he would recommend that the fees are not reduced. He stated that as the years pass, the costs to the City go up. Commissioner Nash stated he concurs with Commissioner Polk. Community Development Director Brady indicated that one of the conditions is that at least one map is recorded before July 2005. He stated that the applicant believes that reducing the planning areas, which in turn reduces the number of units per area, will make the properry more marketable. He noted that the City is finalizing the agreement to get the road to the Fire Station constructed. He stated that this is the same road that will be used to access La Laguna Estates and having this completed will make the property more marketable also. Commissioner Nash asked if the applicant had any habitat issues to deal with since the propeny fronts up to the Cleveland National Forest. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the applicant is working through that process now. He noted that there would be a large area left as open space. Comnvssioner Barnes noted the second sentence on page 2 of the staff report under "Fiscal Ixnpact". He asked if this is staff s or the applicant's conclusion. Community Development Director Brady noted that it might have been more appropriate to say that the reduction of - the DAG fees will improve the viability of the development of this project. Commissioner Barnes stated that the upswing in the economy is now. Commissioner Barnes asked what happens if there is no final by 2005. Community Development Director Brady indicated that there would be no fiirther e~rtension of the Development Agreement. He noted that at the time of the final map, the applicant is also posting a bond for the improvements. He stated that at that point the applicant is showing a serious commitment to the project. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - MARCH 7, 2001 Chai~,,,an Wilsey asked what type of improvements where included in the CFD for La Laguna. Community Development Director Brady indicated that he is not sure of the particulars of this CFD but they may typically include street, water, sewer, and storm drains. Chairinui Wilsey stated that he was on the Planning Commission during the original approval. He stated that La Laguna's participation in the CFD is what made it viable. He noted that at that time La Laguna told the Ciry that they did not intend to break ground until the end, after the other developers put in their improvements. He stated that the other developers had to pay $2,000 per unit. He asked why La Laguna should get away with paying $1,000. He said that he understood with Forecast Homes as the property was in default and the ciry was tryuig to salvage it. He noted thar La Lagun~ said upfront that they wouldn't be developing the properry for ten years. Chainnan Wilsey asked if the Plaiuiuig Commission could hold off on their action until the applicant brings the Specific Plan Amendment back. He asked what the applicant plans on changing. Community Development Director Brady stated that the applicant has not submitted the amendment yet but he understands there will be smaller lot sizes with some attached single faziuly houses. He noted the applicant is also proposing that a portion of it be a private gated community. Coxnmissioner Nash stated that the original agreement starts at $1,000 and takes almost 10 years to reach $2,000 based on the graduated scale. He asked why the developer was concerned about the fees. Cha;rman Wilsey stated that with phasing all will start at $1,000 and most likely will never reach the $2,000 mark. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is an incentive for him to develop more quickly. Comcnissioner Barnes asked if the applicant sells the property after the final map, can the city renegotiate with the new property owner. Chau-man Wilsey stated that the Development Agreement is between La Laguna and the Ciry and that it does not run with the property. Jim Yokurcy resident of the Centex development, asked what the effect would be on the other property owners if this properry is developed and if it is not developed and goes into default. Community Development Director Brady clarified that the applicant has been paying his share of the CFD fees even though the properry is not developed. He stated that he is not sure of the impact on the other properties. He said he does not foresee any change as the CFD was formed relying on all of the units being developed. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the other properry he was talking about is adjacent to Withrow School. He stated that that property owner had stopped paying the fees, which in turn effected the other owners. There being no fuither discussion, Chairxnan Wilsey closed the public hearing at 736 pm. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POI;K AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-08, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAI~E ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE AND LA LAGUNA ESTATES, WITH NO REDUCTION IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FEES. BUSINESS ITEMS None. INFORMATIONAL ADJOURNED TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE The Pluuiing Commission adjourned to the Design Review Committee at 7:40 pm. The Plaiuiuig Commission reconvened at 7:55 pm. PAGE 4- PLANNING COMNIISSION NIINUTES - MARCH 7, 2001 STAFF COMMENTS Communitv Development Director Brady commented on the following; He noted that the Elsinore Chrisuan Center submitted an appeal to the Ciry Council. The appeal will be heard at the City Council Meeting on March 15. He indicated that the Fire Station has gone out to bid. The approximate completion date is March 2D02. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Comxnissioner Matthies commented on the followine: She indicated that there would be a District Wide Science Fair. She noted that Florence Mowrer has been working with the District. Commissioner Polk commented on the followine: No comments. Commissioner Nash commented on the followine: He indicated that the EDC luncheon would be tomorrow at 1130 at the Diamond Club. He commended staff for coming up with an idea on how to streazriluie the process. He stated that Lake Elsinore is known for the lengthy time it takes to get permits. He encouraged staff to bring any other ideas for streatxilining the process to the Planning Conunission. Commissioner Bames commented on the followine: • He noted that he was recently asked if he was disappointed that the apartment project was approved. He indicated that what was disappointing was that none of the people who complained about the project showed up at the City Council meeting. He thanked Coxnxnissioner Matthies and her predecessor, Jim Sands, for their hard work on the Design Review Committee. He stated that he believes staff s recommendation is most appropriate. Chairmau Wilsev commented on the followine: No comments. ADjOURNMENT MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANIVING COMMISSION MEETING AT 8:05 PM. PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUfES - MARCH 7, 2001 Respectfully Submitted ~ ~/ /~ ~nika Hennings, ommunity Development Secretary R,6bert A. Brady, Secretatyto Planning Coxnmission ~ ~~ ~ ~Lf O////,~ LQ~E ~~~.LYLO'Z£ < ~ , ^ q ~ ~ome of E~e L~iamonc~estcec~ium NOTICE OF PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CANCELLATION NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Lake Elsinore Planning Commission / Design Review Committee Meeting regulazly scheduled for Wednesday, March 21, 2001 has been canceled. DATED: March 15, 2001 %~~~/~- ~ Monika Hennings Community Development Secretary City of Lake Elsinore 730 ~nud~ d~ain UE2EPF, 1'a~c C~~SLRORC~ eo~{ q2530 •~c~c~i~ionc: ~qOq~ b~tj-3724 ~}ax: ~qoq~ 6~g-2392 MINUTES PLANNING' COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, APRIL 4, 2001 The Regular Plauning Cominission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Chainnan Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Polk. ROLL CALL PRESENT: CONIMISSIONERS: ABSENT: CONIMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, POLK, AND NASH MATTHIES Also present were: Communiry Development Director Brady, Ciry Engineer O'Donnell, and Community Development Secretary Hennings PUBLIC CONIMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR Cha;,~.~,a„ Wilsey noted that the last sentence in the third paragraph on page 3 of the minutes should read "... and that it does run with the property." The word "not" should be removed. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY BARNES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR WITH THE ABOVE CORRECTION ON PAGE THREE. 1. Minutes a. Plazu~uig Commission Regular Meeting - March 7, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. District." Community Development Director Brady indicated that this item was brought to the Design Review Committee at their last meeting as an information item. He stated at that meeting the Design Review Comrnittee discussed the feasibility of transferring the responsibilities of the Design Review Committee (DRC) to the Community Development Director. He stated that the DRC Members were in concurrence with the idea. He stated that the Zoning Code must be amended to have all DRC approvals made admuustratively. He noted that this would not effect anything that would normally come to the Plamiuig Commission. He stated that the Plarmuig Commission would be making a recommendation to the City Council which will take the fmal action. Chau-inan Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:05 pm. Commissioner Nash stated that this action will streamline the process and w~71 treat the businesses in the downtown area like any other business within the City. He noted that the revised Code does have an appeal process for any applicant who would like to have the Plamiing Coxnmission hear their request. He stated he agreed with this request. PAGE 2- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUfES - APRII, 4, 2001 Commissioner Polk stated he was also concerned about the appeal process, but seeing that it is included he had no comments. Commissioner Barnes asked is there is a provision that staff can decide to bring any item to the Planning Commission if they deem it necessary. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that this provision is included in the revised Code. Commissioner Barnes stated he had no other comments. Chairman Wilsey stated he had no fiirther comments. There being no further discussion, Chaunian Wilsey closed the public hearing at 7:10 pm. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-09, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF i.AKF. ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COLTNCIL OF ZONING CODE AMENDMENT NO. 2001-01 WHICH PROPOSES TO AMEND TITLE 17, ZONING CODE, CHAPTER 17.11, OF THE LAI~E ELSINORE MLJNICIPAL CODE. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is scheduled to go to City Council on April 24, 2001. He stated that the DRC might still need to hear one more application at the next meeting as this is before the City Council will take action on the amendment. BUSINESS ITEMS None. ADJOURNED TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE The Planning Commission adjourned to the Desi~ Review Comxnittee at 7:11 pm. The Planning Commission reconvened at 7:12 pm INFORMATIONAL 3. Outdoor Stora~;e Within Flood Plain Community Development Director Brady handed out a map showing a few parcels located on Pasadena Street between 3`~ Street and Central Avenue adjacent to the Outflow Channel. He stated that staff has been meeting with some local developers who would like to eventually develop in this azea. He indicated that on one parcel at the corner of Pasadena Sueet and 3rd Sueet, the developer is plarmiug on building some industrial buildings. He noted that the other parcels, adjacent to the OutIlow Channel, are currently within the flood plain and aze thus unbuildable at this time. He stated the developer is proposing to use the currently unbuildable lots for an outside construction storage facility. He noted the applicant does hea~y construction in the area. He stated that they plan on building once the FEMA maps are updated and the property is removed from the flood plain. He indicated that along with this proposal, all public improvements would be constructed which will make other parcels in the area more attractipe to developers. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the City does not cun-endy allow storage on a vacant parcel. He stated that the Code requires all outside storage yards to be an accessory use to a structure and also require a Conditional Use Perxnit (C[JI'~. He stated that the applicant does not want to go through the expense of fil~ing an applicant for a C,'[JP without first getting some feedback from the Plannuig Comnussion. Community Development Director Brady reiterated that the pros would be getting the public improvements constructed, however, the Plazinuig Commission will have to make findings, as this use is not currently allowed. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLJTES - APRII. 4, 2001 Community Development Director Brady indicated that if the Plaiuiuig Cominission decided to approve this use, staff would recommend screening the storage yard with a block wall. He stated that Banana Boat is located across the street and the yard should be screened as much as possible. He stated that there might be adverse effects to both current and future tenants. He further indicated that if the parcels were removed from the flood zone, there is no guarantee that the use would be discontinued. Commissioner Barnes asked if the access would be from Pasadena. Community Development Director Brady confirmed. Cominissioner Nash asked if the developer was willing to construct the block wall. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this has come up during the discussions. He stated that staff would like to have a block wall along Pasadena Street and any part that is visible from 3'~ and Central. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that the challenge is that some of the equipment may be as high as 50 feet. He stated that the developer who is looking at the lot on the corner of Pasadena Street and 3`d Street definitely wants the yard to be screened. Chairman Wilsey stated that the Ciry is pro-growth and is thu~kuig of them as potential customers. He stated he was originally tlunking chain link fencing with slats may be enough but not he is not sure because of the height of the equipment. He suggested that a fake fa~ade might be buik along Pasadena Street. He suggested that a CUP might be possible with a 3-5 year time limit with possible reviews. Coxrunissioner Bames stated that the fa~ade may work but he is concerned about it being maintained in good condition. Chau•inan Wilsey stated he was thu~king of a plywood fa~ade. He asked if landscaping would be required. Community Development Direccor Brady indicated that the improvements would be required along Pasadena Street. He suggested that the applicant could be conditioned to store all tall equipment in the back of the lot. Coininissioner Nash stated he would suggest the back quarter of the lot. Chairman Wilsey asked whether a block wall is required at this time, as it would be a temporazy use. Community Development Director Brady stated he would suggested block wall along Pasadena Street at a*n;nimum. Commissioner Barnes stated that the properry is pretty well blocked from any major streets. Commissioner Nash asked if anyone has talked to the owner of Banana Boat. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that the applicant was going to approach them. Cha;rn,an Wilsey stated that he thinks the City needs to attract these larger companies. Commissioner Polk asked who would be responsible for constructing the curbs, gutters, and sidewalks. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the developer who is putting together the whole deal would construct the improvements. He stated that if this use is not approved that the developer has stated he would let the lots go, including the lot on the corner of Pasadena and 3'~. Commissioner Polk stated he tlunks it would be all right with block wall along Pasadena Street and chain link fence with slats on the only sides. The Commissioners concurred. They all reiterated that theywould like to see Pasadena Street completed. Community Development Director Brady reiterated that the Commission would like to see a block wall along Pasadena Street and screening on the remaining sides with a 3-5 year time limit. STAFF COMMENTS Community Development Director Brad,v commented on the following • He stated he attended the Planner s Institute. He noted that the closing speaker was excellent and very dynamic. He stated that it was a very nice way to wrap up the conference. PLANNING CONIMISSIONER'S CONIMENTS PAGE 4- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLITES - APRIL 4, 2001 Commissioner Polk commented on the followine: No comments. Commissioner Barues commented on the followine: He indicated that he is pleased to see the new signage at the intersections, however if they aze not enforced then it is a waste of money. He asked when the C[JP for the message board at the Union 76 expires. He stated that the majority of the lights are out. He noted that the City is supposed to get 25% advertising time, however this is no good i~ the sign is not readable. He stated he hopes the City does not renew the C[JP. Comtnissioner Nash commented on the followine: He stated he attended the Planner's Institute in Monterey. He stated it was very enjoyable. He noted he attended a session on state housing requirements. He stated that the push is to have these computed on a regional basis. He stated he thu~ks this is a dangerous approach. He compazed this to the environmental decisions that are being done on a regional basis and how Lake Elsinore is getting the short end of the stick. He stated he also attended a session on the Brown Act and how it pertains to email. He cautioned the use of email. He thanked the City for the oppomanity to attend the conference. He noted that this is a misconception that La Laguna is getting the development fees cut in hal£ He stated that the fees were on a graduated scale to begin with and they would not have reached $2000 unless the applicant did not build in a reasonable time frame. Chainnan WiLsev commented on the following; • He stated he also thought the conference was very interesting. He stated he attended sessions on General Plans and Specific Plans, Conditional Use Permits, water challenges, and the Brown Act. He stated the Institute also gives officials from different cities the chance to network. He stated he was even able to give other cities ideas based on how Lake Elsinore handles cell sites. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRI OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR MEETING AT 7:45 PM. Respectfully Submitted ~ - onika He ' gs, Community evelopment ecretary A ES : obert A. Brady, ecretary the Plazining Comxnission ED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, APRIL 18, 2001 The Regular Planniiig Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Chairinan Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Comrnissioner Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, POLK, AND MATTHIES ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NASH Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Depury City Attorney Steve Miles, Ciry Engineer O'Donnell, Associate Planner Miller, and Communiry Development Secretary Hemungs PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY BARNES, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDARAS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Plannuig Comcnission Regular Meeting - Apri14, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Tentative Tract Map 29637 and Mitigated Negative Declaration No. 2001-O1 (APN 389-290- 018 & -021 Chau-mazi Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:05 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for a Tentative Tract Map to divide approximately 10 1/2 acres into 44 single family residential lots. He asked that Associate Planner Miller review the request with the Planning Commission. Associate Planner Miller stated that this propeny is located in the northern seceion of the City off of Ruiuiuig Deer Road. She indicated that the a~erage lot size is 7,409 square feet with the m;nimUxn lot size proposed at 6,000 square feet. She noted that the proposed density for the project is 4.1 dwelling units per acre. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the applicant has questions on Condition Nos. 14, 39, 56, and 67. She stated that the applicant has requested that the following wording be added to Condition No. 14, "Detennuiation of what fuel modification plan will be acceptable will be determined by the Community Development Director prior to issuance of building permits." Associate Planner Miller stated that the Ciry Engineer was able to clarify Condition 39 and 56 earlier today. She indicated that the applicant might still have a question on Condition No. 67. Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff is recommending that the Plumiiig Conunission recommends approval to the Ciry Council of Tentative Tract Map No. 29637 and Mitigated Negative Declaration No. 2001-O1 based on the Findings and Exhibits and subject to the Conditions of Approval. PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - APRII.18, 2001 Communiry Development Director Brady clarified the process for those in the audience. He stated that this is just approval of the Tract Map. He stated that the applicant would come back a later for Design Review approval. Chairman Wilsey invited azryone from the audience to speak. Tom Bimey, The Keith Companies, stated he talked to staff earlier today and the applicant is in agreement with the Conditions as modified. Bazbara Middlebrook, Running Deer, Lake Elsinore, asked if she would be notified of future meetings. Chai:man Wilsey stated that anyone within a 300-foot radius of the project would receive notices of all meetings. Commissioner Bames asked if the applicant still needed clarification of Condition No. 67. Associate Planner Miller stated that the applicant has indicated that they are agreeable with it as written. Commissioner Polk noted that the park fees quoted by staff on page 44 of the staff report and page 70 of the staff report are not in agreement. Associated Planner Miller stated that the original submittal showed 43 homes although this has been revised to 44 lots. Commissioner Polk asked that this be correaed. Commissioner Polk stated that he is glad to see this tract moving forward. He asked the Timing on the traffic light. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that the light would not be installed until warranted. He noted that that might be a few years down the road. Conunissioner Matthies stated all of her concerns haue been addressed. Chairinan Wilsey staied he would like to see a sign indicating that a road will be a future extension so that fixture homeowners do not believe that they are purchasing a house on a cul-de-sac. Chaixman Wilsey indicated that Conditions 56 and 57 seem to be new to projects. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that the Clean Water Act was modified in 2000. He outlined some of the new requirements with respect to impaired water bodies. He stated that Lake Elsinore is considered an impaired water body. Chaiiman Wilsey asked how Condition 57 might impact a developer. Ciry Engineer O'Donnell stated that the City would expect the developer to hand out brochures to homeowners emphasizing the impact they have on the water quality. He said the goal is to make homeowners more awaze. Commissioner Polk asked if anyone has come up with an estimate for Condition No. 67. Community Development Director Brady indicated that it appears the cost to the City per unit is $700.00. He stated that the City is looking at enacting a$350.00 per unit fee. Chainnan Wilsey asked if the formulas being used are looking at the positive impacts of new housing, such as increased sales and propeny tax. Community Development Director Brady indicated that that is worked into the formula. Community Development Director Brady suggested the following verbiage be added as the last sentence to the following conditions. 14. ... The Fuel Modification Plan shall be approved by the Community Development Director prior to the issuance of the first building pemut. 39. ... Sign shall be installed to indicate future street connections. There being no fiirther discussion, Cha;,,,,an ~ilsey closed the public hearing at 7:21 pm. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-10, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUfES - APRIL 18, 2001 COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAI{E ELSINORE CERTIFICATION OF NEGATIVE DECLARATION NO. 2001-01. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-11, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING CONIMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECONIMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE APPROVAL OF TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 29637. BUSINESS ITEMS None. ADJOURNED TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE The Planning Commission adjourned to the Design Review Committee at 7:24 pm. The Plumuig Commission reconvened at 7:29 pm. INFORMATIONAL STAFF CONIMENTS Community Develo~ment Director Bradv commented on the following: He welcomed Deputy CityAttorney Steve Miles. He noted that he would be present at most future Plazining Coxsunission Meetings. • He noted that the Zoning Code Amendment regarding elunuiating the Design Review Coininittee would be going before the City Council at the next City Council meeting. He stated that the Chairinui and him have talked about the possibility of having Joint City Council / Planning Coxrunission meetings once or twice a year. He stated that if the Plamiuig Commission is interested in doing something like this a memo could be prepared from the Chairman to the Mayor. He stated these Joint Sessions could be useful in sharing information and opening up lines of communication. Chairman Wilsey stated that these Sessions would be very beneficial. Commissioner Matthies stated that it would be wonderful. She stated that this is something that has been talked about for years. He stated that there would be a City council Study Session on May 1, 2001 at 3:00 pm to discuss the Capital Improvements Projects. He noted that the Lake Street improvements are out to bid. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Coirunissioner Barnes commented on the followine: No comments. Commissioner Matthies commented on the followine: She thanked the Commission for the opportunity to serve on the Design Review Coinmittee. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the ordinance would not take effect unti130 days after the second reading. He indicated that there might be a need to bring a project to the DRC prior to this time. PAGE 4- PLANNING COMIvIISSION MINLJ'fES - APRII,18, 2001 Cotnixussioner Polk commPnted on the followine: He noted that a Torn Ranch billboard on Laksehore was knocked down. He asked that code enforcement follow up with this. Community Development Director Brady indicated that staff is aware of this and Code Enforcement is working on contactiug the owner. • He stated that two meetings ago he asked about the sidewalks on Lincoln. He asked that someone call him with the requested information. Chairman Wilsev commented on the followixig He indicated that he talked to Community Development Director Brady about the Joins Study Sessions. He stated he thought these would be beneficial. He stated that he would also like to recommend that the Plamung Commission go on a Design Review Tour. He stated the Comtnissioners can tour projects in Lake Elsinore as well as neighboring Cities to get an idea of what design elements are being used elsewhere. Commissioner Polk and Commissioner Matthies indicated that this was a great idea. Commissioner Matthies stated that it was very helpful when they did this a couple of years ago. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY BARNES UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJ( PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 7:40 PM. ..- ~~ Respectfully Submitted f~ ~ / ~ /~VIonika Henning , Community Development Secretary A. Brady, Secret~~o the ~~ Comnussion AND CARRIED BY MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAI~E ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, MAY 2, 2001 The Regular Planniiig Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Chairwoman Matthies. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Corcunissioner Nash. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: CONIMISSIONERS: WILSEY AND BARNES Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Deputy City Attorney Miles, Pluuiing Manager Villa, City Engineer O'Donnell, Senior Planner Morita, and Community Development Secretary Hennuigs PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY 2-0 VOTE WITH NASH ABSTAINING TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Plumiiig Coxsunission Regular Meeting - Apri118, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Conditional Use Permit No. 2001-02, for Outdoor Storaee Chairwoman Matthies opened the Public Hearing at 7:08 pm. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for a Conditional Use Permit for outdoor storage in the M-1 zone. He asked Pluuiiug Manager Villa to review the request with the Comxnission. Plaiuiuig Manager Villa stated that the applicant has applied for a Conditional Use Permit to utilize two vacant parcels of land totaling 11 1/2 acres for storage. He noted the property is located on Pasadena Avenue at the end of Crane Street. He stated the applicant is a highway construction contractor and would like to store materials and equipment on the property for a period of time not to exceed 10 years. He noted that this issue was briefly discussed at the April 4, 2001 Plamung Commission meeting during which time the Plam~iug Commission indicated that the applicant should submit an application. Plaruung Manager Villa noted that there are 11 additional engineering conditions that were not included when the staff report was printed. Plannuig Manager Villa stated one main issue is the time limit on the Conditional Use Permit. He noted that Deputy City Attomey Miles would discuss this issue. He stated that approxunately 40% of the property is in the flood way which renders it unbuildable and the PAGE 2- PLANNING COMIvIISSION MINLITES - MAY 2, 2001 rema;n;ng property is in the flood plain, which poses certain building constraints. He stated that based on the consequences and constraints, staff is recommending that the Planning Comxnission consider this request for a Conditional Use Permit for up to 10 years. Planning Manager Villa asked Deputy City Attorney to discuss the time limit on Conditional Use Pemuts. Deputy City Attomey Miles stated that there has been some question of the viabiliry of Condition No. 3 and noted that he has researched the issue of time limits on Conditional Use Permits. He stated that an alternative is to establish a time line for storage and not rely on the need to establish a primary use. He said instead the Commission would come up with an agreeable time frame and an expiration date. He stated that this is open for discussion and the issue is up to the discretion of the Conunission. Charlie Nichols indicated that he is here on behalf of the owner of the property. He indicated that the owner has no problems with the conditions. Paul Roberts, Business Manager for FCI, stated that he wanted to discuss Condition 3. He stated that his company enters into long-term contracts and that the materials are vety expensive to move. He noted that a 10 yeazs terxn is needed. He stated that when the FEMA maps are updated then their intention is to proceed with constxuction. Commissioner Nash stated that most of his questions were regarding the Conditional Use Permit and "vested interest". He indicated that in this case, he believes that the situation warrants the Conditional Use Perxnit, at least until the FEMA maps are updated and the land is buildable. He stated that the proposed use is acceptable for the azea as long as the conditions are met. Commissioner Polk asked how much of Pasadena Avenue would be paved. He stated that adjacent to Banana Boat there is a half width street. He noted that from Crane to 3rd Street Pasadena Avenue is just a paper street. He stated that the intention of the properry owners is to put in the complete improvements. He stated that this would be required along with the Tract Map for the adjacent property. Comtnissioner Polk stated that the project looks good. Commissioner Matthies stated that she concurs with the previous comments. Community Development Director Brady indicated that Condition No. 3 needs to be clarified. The applicant is requesting a 10-year time limit while the staff report allows a total of 5 years. Commissioner Nash indicated that evexything depends on the FEMA maps. He stated that until this happens he does not haue a problem with the storage. He stated that 10 yeazs is not unreasonable since nothing else can be built. Commissioner Polk indicated that he agrees that the permit can extend out 10 years. He stated he does not have a problem with not establishing a primazy use on the propeny. Cotnmissioner Matthies concurred. Deputy City Attorney Miles stated that the applicant needs to agree on record that the Conditional Use Permit is good for 10 years and at that time it will expire. He suggested that Condition No. 3 be simplified and the following sentence be added to the end of the condition: "The Conditional Use Permit shall expire in 10 years." Paul Roberts, FCI, requested if the buiiding requirements are still required. He noted that FCI does not intend on building any structure until the FEMA maps are updated. There was discussion regarding the wording of Condirion No. 3. Deputy Ciry Attorney Miies suggested deleting the exisung condition and in its place include "The Conditional Use Pemut shall egpire in 10 years." There being no further discussion, Chairwoxnan Matthies closed the public hearing at 7:21 P~ MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-12 BY TITLE, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING CONIMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAI{E ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PAGE 3- PLANNING COMIvIISSION MINUTES - MAY 2, 2001 PERMIT, CUP NO. 2001-02 FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR TWO LOTS, WITHIN BUSINESS PARK - APN 377-140-017 AND -019 WITH THE REVISION TO CONDITION NO. 3 AND THE ADDITION OF THE ELEVEN NEW ENGINEERING CONDITIONS. 3. Design Review for Industrial Project No. I 2001-O1 on Collier Avenue - APN 377-151-061 Community Development Director Brady indicated that staff is recommending a continuance until the next meeting to work out some additional issues. He noted that the applicant is in agreement with this. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO CONTINUE INDUSTRIAL PROJECT NO. I 2001-01 UNTIL MAY 16, 2001. BUSINESS ITEMS 4. ,(Woodside Homesl Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a Design Review request for single fanvly homes within Canyon Hills. He asked Senior Planner Morita to review the project with the Commission. Senior Planner Morita indicated that this is a request for Design Review approval of building plans, conceptual landscape plans, and plotting plans for 1301ots that haue been acquired by Woodside Homes. Senior Planner Monta indicated that Woodside Homes is the first builder to show any comcnitment to the Cottonwood Hills area. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the first takedown is located off Canyon Hills Parkway and Lost Road. The second and third takedowns are off Poppy Way. He indicated that the applicant is proposing to build four different plans that range in size from 1,535 square feet to 2,159 square feet. He stated that the Model Home Complex would include four models and one lot for pazking. Senior Planner Morita indicated that staff is recommending approval for three reasons. He stated that the first reason is that the building plans and plot plans comply with the design and development standards contained in the Cottonwood Hills Specific Plan and Zoning Code. He indicated that the second reason is that the proposed residences will be constructed with several optional building materials and colors. He stated that final reason is that the applicant has included additional architectural treatments on the building elevations that face public streets. Senior Planner Morita indicated that staff is happy with the architectural treatments that aze going to be provided and is recommending approval. Scott Gale, Project Manager, stated that Woodside Homes is a regional builder with 10 projects from Corona to Temecula. He stated that they aze excited about coming to Lake Elsinore. Commissioner Polk asked the price range of the homes. Mr. Gale stated that this has not been set but there is talk about the low $160,000's. Commissioner Polk stated that he likes the layout of the smallest plan. He indicated that he is happy to see that great rooxns are coming back. Commissioner Nash stated that he believes the plans are a good layout and that he had no concerns with the project. Commissioner Matthies stated that she is happy to see the enhanced features. PAGE 4- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUTES - MAY 2, 2001 MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVED RESOLUTION NO. 2001-16 BY TITLE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING RESIDENTIAL PROJECT NO. 2001-02 WHICH ENTAILS MINOR DESIGN REVIEW OF A FOUR-UNIT MODEL HOME COMPLEX WHICH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED THROUGHOUT 130 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITHIN VESTING TRACT MAP NO. 23848 WITHIN THE COTTONWOOD HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN AREA. ADJOURNED TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE The Plazuiing Comnussion adjourned to the Design Review Committee at 7:35 pm. The Planniug Commission reconvened at 7:36 pm. INFORMATIONAL STAFF COMMENTS Communitv Develo~ment Director Brad,v commented on the following; He stated that the bid for the £re station was awarded yesterday. He noted that the low bid was 1.8 million dollars. He stated that the construction time would be approximately 9 to 10 months. He stated that the bid for Lake Street rehabilitation would be opened May 9. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Comrnissioner Nash commented on the following~ • He asked if the City Council approved the Zone Code Amendment regarding the DRC. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the City Council will have the second reading on May 22 and the ordinance will be effective 30 days later. Commissioner Polk commented on the followine: He asked what would be included on the Lake Street improvements. Community Development Director Brady indicated it would be a rehabilitation of the existing street from Lakeshore to I-15. He noted the street would not be widened. Commissioner Polk commented that Edison should have put the lines under ground when the sewer pipe was installed. Commissioner Matthies commented on the followine: • She thanked the Conunission for putting up with her tonight. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANI~TING COMMISSION MEETING AT 7:37 PM. ~~ , ~ ~ ~ ~ E CKA TTHIES, CHAIRWOMAN PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 2, 2001 Respectfully Submitted ~~ / ~ onika Hennin s, Community Development Secretary ~obert A. Brady, Secret o the Plaiuiuig Commission MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAI~E ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, MAY 16, 2001 The Regular Plannuig Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Chairxnan Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Barnes. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Deputy City Attorney Miles, Ciry Engineer O'Donnell, Associate Planner Miller, and Community Development Secretary Hennings PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Planning Cominission Regular Meeting - May 2, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Design Review for Industrial Project No. I 2001-O1. Variance No. 2001-02 for a Landsca~e Chairman Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:04 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a Design Review for industrial buildings at Collier Street and Minthorn Street. He noted that modifications to the plans elimiuated the need for the variances. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the project with the Conunission. Associate Planner Miller stated that there has been last minute changes to the project that has eliinuiated the need for the variances. She noted she would review these changes with the Commission. Associate Planner Miller stated that this is a proposal for an industrial complex consisting of two tilt-up buildings. She indicated that the buildings aze on Collier but access is obtained from Minthorn due to the grade difference between the properry and Collier Street. Associate Planner Miller indicated that originally two variances were needed: one for the landscape setback and one for reduction in parking requirements. She stated that the applicant found he had included the alcove areas in the total area. She indicated that by PAGE 2- PLANNING COMIVIISSION MINLITES - MAY 16, 2001 recalculating the total area and by reconfiguring the parking, the applicant was able to come up with the required parking and eliminated the need for Variance 2001-03. Associate Planner Miller stated that when the staff report was written, staff found they had a difficult time with the reduced setback so they included the options in the staff report. She indicated that the applicant received the staff report and in just a few days was able to redesign the site by reducing the width of the center driveway and redesigning the puking lot and thus was able to elitninate the need for Variance 2001-02. Associate Planner IVIiller indicated that staff is withdrawing the requests for the variances. She stated that with the changes mentioned, staff is recommending that the Planning Commission recommend that the City Council approve the project based on the findings, e~chibits, and conditions of approval. She noted that because of the revisions to the site plan, there is no longer a need for Condition No. 4. Associate Planner Miller indicated that a letter was received from Jamil Elgura stating his opposition to the project. She noted that copies of the letter were given to the Comxnissioners at the beguuung of the meeting. She stated that she believes this same individual came into Ciry Hall and talked to Plaxuiing and Engineering staff. She indicated that he was under the impression that Birch Street would be continued as a street, through to Collier, She stated staff explained that Birch was only being used as a driveway. She noted that staff was under the impression that this issue was resolved at the public counter. Commissioner Barnes asked if half of the easement is on his property. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that part of the easement is on his propeny, however he granted the easement. Alvin Francisco, representing the architect, indicated that he has no quesaons. John McGeary, representing the owner of Mercury Marketing (an adjacent tenant), asked if the secondary access is going to be closed. He also stated concern about the width of the access off Birch. He noted that trucks would haue a difficult time making that turn. He indicated he was concerned about trucks blocking the access which will in turn hurt their business also. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the access would be 24 feet wide, which is a m;n;.,,um requirement of the Fire Departrnent. Mr. McGeary stated he is concerned about the jog that the driveway makes. He noted he was first under the assumption that the connection would be straight through. He stated that trucks would not be able to make the required turns. He stated that if trucks get backed up then they would block their parking lot and the place where their trucks unload. Chuck Sacks, California Skier, stated that this project was just brought to his attention. He asked how much additional traffic wopld be generated through his parking lot. He stated that the trucks which deliver the boats park in front of the proposed access easement. He stated that delivery trucks and trash trucks also would go through there. He stated that all the additional traffic would create a bottleneck in the parking lot. Alvin Francisco stated that the Birch Street entrance is the main entrance. He stated that the other access is the secondazy access. He stated that the loading spaces were desi~ed to accept trucks from the Birch Street access. Chairman Wilsey asked if there is an easement with Mercuty Marketing. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that there is no dedicated easement with the adjoining property. He "-~ further noted that he does not believe that the applicant has obtained a reciprocal access agreement yet. Cha+rr„a~ Wilsey asked if the Fire Department would require a secondary access. Associate Planner Miller indicated that she believes the Fire Department will require this access. She stated the applicant would need to obtain a reciprocal access agreement. City Engineer O'Donnell stated he does not believe the secondary access will be required. He noted that the adjoining property, where Mercury Marketing is located, does not have a seconduy access. Commissioner Matthies stated that the location of the building where Mercwy Marketing is located was moved closer to Collier. She stated that this is not shown on the plans the Commissioners received in the packets. She indicated that the buildings where placed so that the driveway would go straight through that lot and connect up with PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLITES - MAY 16, 2001 the adjouung lot. She indicated that the applicant has made it so that the driveways do not align and the trucks will need to make a turn to connect between the properties. Commissioner Matthies stated that it is her understanding that if the plans remain as shown, Mercury Marketing will close the access between the properties. She stated that the tenants in the adjacent properties do not want trucks blocking them in because the trucks can not maneuver. Commissioner Nash asked if the second access is required. Ciry Engineer O'Donnell stated that the second access would be a Fire Department requirement. He stated that as long as the fire trucks can get in and out then they would be satisfied. Chairman Wilsey stated that the applicant is conditioned to obtain Fire Department approval. He stated that if the applicant can not obtain the approval from the Fire Department then the applicant would have to redesign the project. Cominissioner Matthies suggested that the applicant should go to the Fire Department before the Commission approves the project. She noted that the Fire Department has only seen the plan with the second access which she indicated would be closed. Comrriissioner Matthies stated that the adjacent businesses where never notified of the proposed projea. Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff did send out notices to all property owners within 300 feet. Associate Planner Miller indicated that she would agree. She noted that the Fire Department should be contacted to get their feelings on only one access. Chairinui Wilsey stated that basically the applicant is showing an easement that they have not yet obtained the necessary agreements with the adjacent property owners. Chainnan Wilsey noted that the Plamvng Commission must work with what is before them tonight. He reiterated that the applicant can just be conditioned to obtain the necessary approvals and if he is unable to do this then there is no project. Communiry Development Direaor Brady indicated that if the access is the only concern, then it might be possible to gate the access so that onlythe Fire Department has access. He noted that it is usually more desirable to have the flow through the adjacent industrial parks. Commissioner Nash confirmed that Mercury Marketing's only concern is the flow of traffic and the potential for a bottleneck. Mr. McGeary confirmed. He indicated that if the access is not required by the Fire Department then the applicant can just close it. Commissioner Polk asked if the applicant lost floor area when the project was redesigned to elunuiate the need for the variances. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the total floor azea is generally the same. She noted the applicant basically just reduced the width of the center driveway and reconfigured the loading azea of the large building and parlflng lot. Commissioner Barnes asked how the applicant would be able to control the size of trucks that access the properry. He stated that if all the units were occupied than there would be quite a bit of congestion. He fiirther asked if the parking lot was in conformance with ADA requirements. He stated that it seems to be short handicapped spaces. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the pazking requirements have been met. Coxnxnissioner Barnes indicated that due to grade difference, all roof equipment needs to be screened from Collier Street. Commissioner Barnes asked to see more detail. He asked for the length of the e~rtension of Birch. Mr. Francisco stated that it is the same length as the property, approximately 233 feet. Mr. Francisco indicated that he has talked to the Fire Department and they have stated that they can access the property from Collier Street. He stated that they have indicated thaz their hoses can reach the properry from Collier Street. Coxxunissioner Matthies noted that the center aisle is only 24 feet wide. She stated that the loading bays are 18 feet. She noted there is no space for the trucks. Mr. Francisco stated that they are not loading bays, but rather loading areas. Chairman Wilsey asked about the easement from Minthorn. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that they still need to obtain a small section of the easement. He stated that Condition No. 33 refers to this. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that the Fire Department did look at the project assuming there would only be one access. PAGE 4- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINiJTES - MAY 16, 2001 Chaim~an Wrlsey asked if there is a condiuon requiru~g the screening of the roof top equipment. Associate Planner Miller indicated that Condition No. 5 addresses this need. Commissioner Matthies asked why Birch Street is narrowing down to a driveway instead of a street like the other side of Minthorn. She stated she had a concern since this is the access for all of the parcels off Birch. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that the access from Minthorn Street, via Birch was approved on the Parcel Map back in the mid 1980's. Commissioner Matthies asked how the applicant would limit the truck size to 20 feet. She stated she is also thinking of general safety, not just fire. City Engineer O'Donnell stated tharsemi-trucks would not even be able to make the turn into the driveway. Chairman Wilsey asked how many of the parking spaces are compact. Associate Planner Miller indicated there are 16 compact spaces. Chairman Wilsey asked what the difference is in dimensions. Associate Planner Miller indicated a compac[ space is 8 feet by 15 feet and a regulaz space is 9 feet by 18 feet. Coimnissioner Matthies stated her concern is that many cars can not fit in a compact space. Chau-inan Wilsey concurred. He noted that the City of Los Angeles is initiating a program to eliminate compact car spaces in future projects. He indicated he would like staff to look at this possibility also. Chairman Wilsey stated the proposed project meets all applicable codes but he is not very happywith the project. He indicated he will go ahead and vote for this project but he would request staff to start looking at tlus industrial area to elimuiate some of the problems for future projects. Comnussioner Matthies noted that if the access is closed then the staff report should be changed. Associate Planner Miller stated that she would make sure the Fire Department would approve the project. She stated that there is a condition that the applicant meets all requirements of the Fire Department. She stated that if the Fire Department does not approve the project with only one access then the applicant will haue to look at other options. There being no further discussion, Chairman Wilsey closed the public hearing at 7:36 pm. MOVED BY POLK TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-13 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECONIMENDING CITY COIJNCIL APPROVAL OF DESIGN REVIEW FOR INDUSTRIAL PROJECT N0. 2001-01, TO BE LOCATED ON COLLIER AVENUE - APN 377-151-061, WITH THE DELETION OF CONDITION NO. 4 AND THE RENUMBERING OF ALL SUBSEQUENT CONDITIONS. The motion died for the lack of a second. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY MATTHIES TO CONTINUE INDUSTRIAL PROJECT 2001-01 TO JUNE 6, 2001 WITH THE INSTRUCTION FOR STAFP TO OBTAIN A LARGER SITE PLAN SHOWrNG ALL ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND EASEMENTS SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN GET A BETTER PICTURE OF HOW THIS PROJECT RELATES TO THE ENTIRE AREA. Commissioner Barnes stated he would concur with the above motion. He stated that although it xnay be true that the project meets all codes, he would like to hear what the Fire Marshal has to say about this project before he votes. THE ABOVE MOTION PASSED WITH A 4-1 VOTE WITH POLK CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE. Comnussioner Polk stated he would agree with Comxnissioner Nash that it might haue been helpful to see all the properties involved, however, this is not something new to everyone. He stated that the other people who built on adjacent properties knew about the easement and access. He stated that the conditions reflea the current code. He stated that as long as PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 16, 2001 the applicant meets the conditions he does not see any reason to delay the project. He noted that in the future it would be appropriate to staff to work with the adjacent owners of properties to try to alleviate this situation in the future although he stated this is not enough reason to delay this project. Chau-man Wilsey stated he would concur although he said it would be interesting to see what the Fire Marshal has to say about the possible loss of the second access. He stated that there does have to be a review of the Wanns Springs Industrial area. He stated that this looks cluttered. Chairman Wilsey stated that this does meet all current codes. Corrunissioner Nash stated that he understands that there are unique conditions based mostly on the location of this specific property, however there are too many variables at this time. He noted that Birch Street should have been dedicated as a cul-de-sac so there would be adequate access to the properties. He stated he does not believe there will be a problem getting the project approved but he would like some answers first. BUSINESS ITEMS None. ADJOURNED TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE The Planning Commission adjourned to the Design Review Committee at 7:49 p.m. The Plaiuiuig Commission reconvened at 7:50 pm. INFORMATIONAL STAFF CONIMENTS Communitv Development Director Brad,v commented on the following: None. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Commissioner Matthies commented on the followine: She stated that she knows staff works hard. She indicated that with this project there were too many issues relating to safety and traffic flow. She indicated she would also like to look at antenna standards so that there is a handout to give to applicants explainuig what the city requires. She stated that right now we are looking at each project separately and that isn't right. She stated that the fencing and signage standards need to be reviewed also. Community Development Director Brady indicated that he would also like to see changes but additional staff would be needed to get eveiythuig done. He stated that the telecommunication industry is changing so fast and each situation and location is unique that it is almost necessary to look at each proposal on a case by case basis. He noted that staff would probably agree regarding the compact parking spaces. He noted that there are a lot of things he would like to bring to the Commission but he is limited by time and money. Commissioner Matthies stated that she understands that there are restraints but some items have been talked about for quite awhile. She stated she would like to start focusing on some of these items. PAGE 6- PLANNING COMMISSION MIlVUTES - MAY 16, 2001 Community Development Director Brady indicated that he would not mind discussing some of these items on a night that there is a light agenda. The Commission can prioritize the things they would like done and staff will know which itexns to concentrate on when time allows. She stated that we need to be a business friendly community but in tonight's case the adjacent property owner was not even notified. Chaim~an Wdsey stated he would disagree with that. He stated that the property owner, but not necessarily the tenants, would have been notified since the property is within the 300-foot radius. Commissioner Polk commented on the followine: He thanked staff for removing the Torn Ranch sign. He stated it looks very nice. He asked about the grading that is taking place on Lake Street across from Orange Lane. Community Development Director Brady stated that this is the Lewis Homes propeny. He indicated that they are prepping the lot in preparation of construction of single family homes. He stated he has heard that they may sell the property. Comcnissioner Nash commented on the followine: He stated that there are a lot of variables. He understands that staff is overloaded and he appreciates the work that they do. He stated that the Commissions responsibility is to look at these variables. He stated that he believes this is a healthy process. Cointnissioner Barnes commented on the followinQ: He commented that the landscaping at the Main Street enuanceway is looking very nicz. He commented that the landscaping on Summerhill is also coming along nicely. He asked that the City Council is asked to send a letter to the owner of Circle K to turn off the message board until it is fixed. He noted that it has been approximazely 8 months since it was readable. He reiterated that the City is supposed to get 25% of the airtime to advertise city events and nothing is readable. Chairman Wilsev commented on the followin~ He mentioned that he would like staff to evaluate the compact pazking space requirements. He stated he would also like to commend the Public Works staff on the cross walk on Lincoln Street at Terra Cotta. He stated that the bumpers at the crosswalk are working great to slow the traffic. He stated he would like to see another crosswalk put in with the same bumpers a little fiuther up the street. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY BARNES, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 8:00 PM. ~ ' ~/~~ ~~ ~ WII.SEY,QIAIRMAN ~_ PAGE 7- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLJ'TES - MAY 16, 2001 Respectfully Submitted ~ nika Henning , Community evelopment Secretary T~obert A. Brady, Secr~ Plumuig Comtnission MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET i.AKF. ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, JUNE 6, 2001 The Regular Plazming Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Chairmui Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Cominissioner Polk.. ROLL CALL PRESENT: CONIMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Deputy CityAttorney Miles, City Engineer O'Donnell, Associate Planner Miller, and Community Development Secretary Hennings PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Plazzning Cocsunission Regular Meeting - May 16, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Amendment No. 1 to Desien Review M No. 95-1 and Variance No. 2001-O1 for a Chairman Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:04 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for an amendment to an e~sting monopole behind Ciry Hall off Prospect on EVMWD property. He indicated that the existing monopole is 35 feet tall and is nem to the water tank. He stated that the applicant is requesting that the height be increased by 20 feet. Community Development Director Brady indicated that to meet the standazds, the applicant is proposing to stealth the monopole as a"monopine". He noted that the Variance is needed due to the height needed because of the surrounding topography. He indicated that staff has requested that a couple of additional trees planted to make a grouping of trees and make it look more natural. Commucury Development Director Brady indicated that Finding No. 2 under Variance should be revised to read "Special circumstances exist, pursuant to the purpose of Chapter 17.76, applicable to the subject properry which do not apply generally to other properties in the neighborhood... " Community Development Director Brady indicated that the monopole at Machado Storage was stealthed in a sixnilar manner and staff is pleased with the results. PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - JiJNE 6, 2001 Mr. John Beke, Whalen and Company, indicated that he is representing Verizon Wireless. He stated he has read and reviewed the conditions and he has a couple of questions. He indicated that he appreciated the work staff put into this project and noted that they drove a hard bargain. He asked about Condition No. 5 which requires that the applicant use a "reputable manufacturer". He asked if this means he must use the company from the attached pamphlet or if he could use any reputable company. He stated he would also like clarification of Condition No. 10. He asked if the Plarmiug Coxnmission was looking for a pointed top like a Christrnas tree, or a more natural top. Commissioner Nash stated that he would lean towards what is in the pictures that accompanied the staff report. He stated he didn't care who the company was as long as they can duplicate what has been presented. He noted that the "monopine" would be less intrusive than the existing telephone pole. He stated he is just concerned about the monopole look as natural as possible. Community Development Director Brady confirmed that staff is just looking for a high quality product with a natural look. Chairmau Wilsey reiterated that the Plamuug Commission is not telling the applicant who to do business with, only that they want the look that has been presented. Commissioner Matthies stated that she did not want to see a"Charlie Browri' tree. She noted the proposed monopole is an improvement over what is currently on the site. Commissioner Barnes asked if the applicant knows which company they may use. Mr. Beke stated he is not sure a finai decision has been made. Commissioner Barnes reiterated that he wants to see what has been presented in the pictures. Coxnnussioner Polk asked if anyone know who constructed the monopole at Machado Storage. Commissioner Polk indicated that he does not want any less than what is shown. There being no further discussion, Chairxnan Wilsey closed the public hearing at 7:14 pm. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY BARNES TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-17 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING CONIMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING DESIGN REVIEW FOR MISCELLANEOUS PROJECT NO. 95-01, AMENDMENT N0.1 FORA 55 FOOT MONOPOLE BY VERIZON WIRELESS. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY BARNES TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-18 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING CONIMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING VARIANCE NO. 2001-O1 FOR A 55 FOOT MONOPOLE ANTENNA BY VERIZON WIRELESS PURSUANT TO SECTION 17.35.040 OF THE LEMC. Continued Design Review for Industrial Project No. I 2001-01 Located on Collier Avenue APN 377-151-061(Contimrxlf~romMav 16, 20011 Chairxnan Wilsey indicated that the Public Hearing is still opening from the May 16, 2001 meeting. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this item was brought to the Planniug Comcnission on May 16, 2001. He stated that at that time there were concerns about access and circulation. He asked that Associate Planner Miller address the issues that were mentioned at the last meeting. Associate Planner Miller indicated that this project was continued to resolve some issues. She stated that one of the main issues was the reciprocal access with the adjoining properry. She stated that staff has researched this project as well as the adjacent project. She noted that the proposed secondary access was a condition of the adjacent properry owned by Hugh Mosbacher. She stated that a reciprocal access agreement was recorded by the owners. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUTES - JLTNE 6, 2001 Associate Planner Miller indicated that since the reciprocal access is still a point of contention with the adjacent properry owner, she did talk to the Fire Department and was inforxned that a secondary access is not required. She stated that the Fire District indicated that only one access would be required since there is a turn around area for the fire trucks on site. She noted however, that even though staff understands that the access would not be used very often, staff would like to leave this access open to help with the internal circulation of the two projects Associate Planner Miller indicated that all properry owners within 300', including Hugh Mosbacher, were notified of the meeting. She indicated that the labels are provided in the staff report. She indicated that the two persons speaking at the last meeting are tenants not owners and as such would not have received a notice. Associated Planner Miller briefly discussed other items mentioned at the last meeting including parking requirements, screening of roof equipment, and length of the driveway. Associate Planner Miller indicated that while researching some of the other concerns, staff came across a decision made by the City Council to make Collier Avenue a modified arterial and require a right-of-way of 86 feet instead of 100 feet. She indicated that because of this, the applicant will be required to dedicate an additional5 feet of right-of-way instead of the previously requested 12 feet as stated in Condition No. 28. Associate Planner Miller indicated that with this reduction of right-of-way dedication, the applicant was able to widen the center driveway to 27 feet and add two additional parking spaces. Associate Planner Miller indicated that based on the above clarifications, staff is recommending that the Plamvug Comaussion recommend to the City Council approval of Industrial Design Review No. 2001-O1 based on the findings, exhibits, and subject to the attached conditions of approval. Chairman Wilsey again noted that the Public Heazing is still open Mr. Hugh Mosbacher, 600 3rd Street, Lake Elsinore, stated that based on the size of the proposed industrial units he would expect the future tenants to be smaller businesses such as glass shops or small machine shops. He stated that he is concerned about security for these future tenants. He stated that a person on Collier only sees rooftops. He indicated that at the same time, there would be no easy access for the police. He stated he is also concerned about circulation. Mr. Mosbacher showed a picture of his driveway that he said was taken at 5:00 pm today. He stated that it showed cars blocking the driveway. He indicated he would be womed that someone will be stuck if uaffic, especially truck traffic, is increased. He discussed in detail the turnuig radius required for trucks. He noted that there is not adequate uu•ning area. He further discussed the possibiliry of problems with drainage, as there is no road with curbs and gutters adjacent to this property. Mr. Mosbacher reiterated that his main concerns are security and turniug radius and noted that a fire gate would be acceptable in place of the second access. Mr. Tomislav Gabric stated that the previous speaker is saying that everyone is wrong. He stated he has been an architect in Southern California since 1962 and indicated that he has designed over 2000 buildings of all sizes during this time. He noted he did not appreciate the previous comments regarding his ability or knowledge. He stated that if Mr. Mosbacher had problems with the project than he should have contacted him directly. Mr. Gabric stated he and his staff have discussed the project with staff and the proposed project meets all applicable codes and regulations. He stated that the access driveway is not a big concern as these are small buildings. The future tenants will not be ha~ing deliveries made by big semi trucks. He indicated that he does not care if the driveway remains open. Mr. Gabric stated that the Fire District has approved the internal circulation and has stated there is enough of a tLirning radius for their trucks. He further stated that the police department did not have any comments regarding the project. Mr. Gabric noted that the pictures shown by Mr. Mosbacher were taken when it was convenient for Mr. Mosbacher but they do not necessazy portray "normal" conditions. PAGE 4- PLANNING CONIMISSION MII~IUTES - JUNE 6, 2001 Coimnissioner Barnes stated that his main concern was receiving input from the Fire Marshall. He noted that if the fire department is satisfied with one access than he is satisfied. He indicated that the plans do have the secondary access labeled as an"emergency fire access" and asked if this was a requirement of the Fire District. Associate Planner Miller indicated that it was not. He suggested that the proposed secondary access be block off with a chain just in case of an emergency. Communiry Development Director Brady clarified that the second is not required as far as the fire department is concerned. He noted that the applicant only has to have one access. Comcnissioner Barnes indicated that there is no setback along the south property line. He stated he is concerned about the large blank wall. Associate Planner Miller indicated that no setback is required. Commissioner Polk stated that he believed the proposal was acceptable as submitted at the last meeting and indicated that everyrlvng was done correctly. He noted that the applicant did everything according to the codes and regulations. He stated that the blank wall can be dealt with separately. Comcnissioner Matthies thanked staff for their research efforts. She stated that she was told that the owner was notified of the proposed project but not of the proposed accesses. She stated that she believes the secondary access should be blocked off. She indicated she also has a concern over the blank wall along Minthorn Street. Commissioner Matthies indicated that she understands the applicant is working under the previously approved Warxn Springs agreement, however she noted she still has a problem with the traffic and the loading bays. She stated however that she would have to be satisfied since the fire department indicated that they are satisfied. Commissioner Matthies clarified that it is not her or the Commission's uuent to upset the properry owners, they are just working with comments and concerns from people who are already working in the area and have first hand knowledge of the challenges. Coxnxnissioner Nash stated that if approved with only one access than the plan should be left as submitted although he stressed that this is not his first choice. He noted he would have preferred a wider prunary access. Chairman Wilsey asked the applicant if they have read and agree to the conditions. Mr. Gabric indicated that he is in agreement with the conditions as submitted. Chairn,an Wilsey noted that he does not see the norxnal condition regarding a graffiti program in the conditions. He asked that this condition be added as it will handle any problems that may come up regarding the lazge open wall. Chairxnan Wilsey asked the applicant if they would agree to have the secondary access remain as an emergency access only. Mr. Gabric stated that this would be acceptable. He indicated that he is awaze that the driveway approach is narrow but that is what was previously approved. Commissioner Nash indicated that he understood. Communiry Development Director Brady reiterated that there is a signed and recorded easement on Mr. Mosbacher's property requiruig that there be a secondary access to maintain the internal circulation. Chairinan Wilsey asked if the project can be conditioned to require an emergency secondazy access only. Communiry Development Brady indicated that staff would like to see the secondaxy access remain open to help facilitate the internal circulation. He noted that the two projects are built under the same standards, same radius, etc. He indicated that the other driveway is even narrower than what is being proposed tonight. Commissioner Polk asked if a sign could be placed as the secondary stating that it is for emergency use only. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the Commission could do anything they so desired. Mr. Hugh Mosbacher stated that in the past he talked to someone who worked for the city (he did not remember the individuals name) and mentioned that he would not have a problem with the secondary access if the access connected to a driveway that went straight through the properry, not requiring several nu~ns. Mr. Mosbacher stated he understands the applicant is trying to maX~r,,;~p the project and that is where everythuig has gone wrong. PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - JUNE 6, 2001 Commissioner Barnes asked if it would be possible to include e~rtra azchitectural details along the back wall. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is something that can be worked with at staff level. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the applicant is already providing some architectural design elements. She briefly went over those being provided. Comxnissioner Nash reiterated that he believes the secondary access should be gated or chained for emergency access only. The remaining Commissioners concurred. Chairman Wilsey stressed that staff needs to look at the Wann Springs azea to try to head off some of these problems before another project is proposed. There being no further discussion, Chainnui Wilsey closed the public hearing at 7:52 pm. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY BARNES TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-13 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF DESIGN REVIEW FOR INDUSTRIAL PROJECT NO. 2001-01, TO BE LOCATED ON COLLIER AVENUE - APN 377-151-061, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: 18A. THE ACCESS DRIVEWAY SHOWN ALONG THE SOUTHWEST PROPERTY LINE SHALL BE USED FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY. METHODS OF BLOCKING THE ACCESS SHALL BE UNDER THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, OR DESIGNEE. 18B. BUILDING ONE'S NORTHEAST WALL FACING COLLIER AVENUE AND BUILDING TWO'S SOUTHWEST WALL FACING MINTHORN STREET SHALL BE COATED WITH A"LIQUID TILE" ANTI- GRAFFITI MATERIAL. Chairman Wilsey reiterated that the proposed project does meet all applicable criteria BUSINESS ITEMS None. ADJOURNED TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE The Pluming Commission adjourned to the Design Review Coxxunittee at 7:54 p.xn. The Plannuig Commission reconvened at 7:56 pm. INFORMATIONAL 4. Cancel Plannin~ Commission Meeting schedule for July 4, 2001 Community Development Director Brady indicated that the first Planning Commission meeting in July falls on July 4~'. He stated that staff is looking for the Commission's preference regarding this meeting. The consensus was to cancel the meeting unless something important comes up that requires a special meeting. PAGE 6- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUfES - JiJNE 6, 2001 STAFF CONIMENTS Community Development Director Bradv commented on the following None. PLANNING CONIMISSIONER'S CONIMENTS Commissioner Matthies commented on the followin~: She congratulated staff on the great job with the stealthing of the proposed monopole discussed tonight. She stated that even though it may not always be mentioned, but the work staff does is tndy appreciated. Cominissioner Polk commented on the followin~: He asked for the status of Lake Street. Community Development Director Brady stated that the Lake Street reconstruction will begin by the end of June. He noted that the work that previously took place was for the brine line. He asked for the status of the racetrack. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the applicant is reviewing the comments that were received and the anticipated costs to complete the enviroxunental process. He stated that after the applicant reviews this material, the applicant will determine if they want to move forward. • He indicated that he is concerned, just like everyone else, regarding the circulation of the Warms Springs industrial area, however he does think that closing the access to through traffic was the appropriate action. Cha~~,»ar, Wilsey commented on the followins~ He commented that he did not see any other choice. Commissioner Bames commented on the followine: He wished everyone a happy Father s Day, a happy Flag Day, and a happy 4~' of July. Commissioner Nash commented on the followine: He stated that in the future he would like to see how the project site relates to the adjouung parcels and buildings. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the easement was approved when the Parcel Map was approved. He stated that there is nothing that can be done except try to work with the applicant during the design review process. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO COMMISSION MEETING AT 8:14 PM. BARNES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING PAGE 7- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - JCTNE 6, 2001 Respectfully Submitted ~~/ ~~ onika Hennings, Communiry Development Secretary A' ICobert A. Brady, Secret to Plamung Commission PAGE 3- PI.ANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - JCTNE 20, 2001 STAFF CONIMENTS Community Development Director Brady commented on the following_ He noted that the Commission canceled the July 4`'' meeting. He stated the next meeting will be July 18. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Commissioner Polk commented on the followine: He wished everyone a Happy Holiday. Commissioner Nash commented on the followine: He noted that he based his decision tonight on the fact that he would rather see something than nothing. He stated he is concerned about the nuxnber of vacant buildings in the City. He wished everyone a nice Holiday. Commissioner Matthies commented on the followine: She concurred with Comcnissioner Nash regarding the vacancy rates. She also wished everyone a safe 4~' of July. Acting Chauman Barnes commented on the followin~: • He noted that tonight is the last DRC meeting. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY NASH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING CONIMISSION MEETING AT 7:20 PM. BARNES, VICE-CHAIRMAN Respectfixlly Submitted l' / ` ~~i onika Hennin s, Community Development Technician A' A. Brady, Secrf ~ Comrnission MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET T.AKF. ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, jUNE 20, 2001 The Regular Planning Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Acting Chuinian Barnes. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BARNES, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH WILSEY Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Deputy City Attorney Miles, Plumiiig Manager Villa, and Deputy City Clerk &ynuig. PUBLIC CONIMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED. Minutes a. Planning Cocxunission Regular Meeting - June 6, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Zone Chan~e No. 2001-O1, Stater Brothers / Mission Trail Shopping Center Acting Cha;rr„an Barnes opened the Public Hearing at 7:05 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for a zone change on an eausting shopping center on Mission Trail which includes the Stater Brothers store. He noted that the applicant is requesting a change from G1 (Neighborhood Commercial) to G2 (General Commercial). He asked that Pluu~ing Manager Villa review the request with the Commission. Planning Manager Villa indicated that this is a fairly straight forward request for a zone change from a C-1 designation to a C-2 designation. He stated that the existing buildings and uses comply with the proposed C-2 standards as well as the General Commercial General Plan designation. He indicated that staff is recommending that the Plu~ning Commission adopt Resolution No. 2001-19 which would recommend that the City Council approve the Zone Change. Commissioner Nash asked what use is desired by the applicant that is listed in the C-2 category that is not listed in the C-1 category. Peggy Nichols, representing MTSC - Lake Elsinore Parrners, noted that the C-1 designation is too confin'mg. She stated that prospective tenants are looking for a more general, such as the surrounding centers are offering. Corcunissioner Nash requested confirmation that the PAGE 2- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUTES - JUNE 20, 2001 center is fully occupied. Ms. Nichols confirmed but noted that they are looking for more flexibility that other centers are able to offer future tenants. Commissioner Polk noted that the only differences are antiques shops, auction galleries, and bowling alleys. Ms. Nichols stated that one of the companies inquiring about the center is the Salvation Army. She noted that they are now an upscale store that is bringing a much different clientele than in the past. Conunissioner Polk asked if there is adequate parking. Plumiug Manager stated that the parking requirements are the same for both zoning designations. He noted that they cutrently have approximately 40 spaces more than required. Commissioner Matthies asked if there are any specific plans. Ms. Nichols stated no. Acting Chairman Barnes requested clarification if floor covering shops and furniture shops are allowed under the C-1 and C-2 zones. Plazu~ing Manager Villa confirmed. He noted that all uses that are allowed in the Gl zone would also be allowed in the G2 zone. Rick Estes, Estes Real Estate, stated he manages the Heritage Plaza. He stated that in looking at the two zones, the only difference notices the thrift shops and second hand shops. He stated he doesn't know if he is really opposed but he tlunks everyone should be aware that these are real possibilities. He indicated that Pluming Manager Villa has stated that most of the surrounding shopping centers are zoned C-2 so he is not sure this would be a problem. Commissioner Nash noted that he is aware that the Salvation Anny is more upscale than in the past. He noted that he is not sure a Pic n Sav is much different. He stated that anything out of the normal would still need a CLTI' so he does not have any objection. Acting Chaiiman Barnes went through the differences between Gl and G2 and noted that the only use that would make any sense for this location would be a second hand or thrih store. There being no fuither discussion, Acting Chairinui Barnes closed the public hearing at 7:15 pm. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY A 3-1 VOTE WITH BARNES CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-19 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAI~E ELSINORE, cAi.IFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COLTNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE APPROVAL OF ZONE CHANGE NO. 2001-01 CHANGING THE ZONING DESIGNATION OF PARCELS SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBED AS APN 363-172-007, 009, 010, AND 012 FROM C-1 (NEIGHBORHOOD CONIMERCIAL) TO C-2 (GENERAL COMMERCTAL). BUSINESS ITEMS None. ADJOURNED TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE The Plaiu~uig Commission adjourned to the Design Review Committee at 7:16 p.m. The Plarming Commission reconvened at 7:17 pm. INFORMATIONAL MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING I CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, JiJLY 18, 2001 The Regular Piaruiing Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:07 PM by Vice Chairman Barnes. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BARNES, MATTHIES, AND, POLK WILSEY AND NASH Also present were: Communiry Development Director Brady, Deputy CityAttorney Miles, Plannuig Manager Villa, Ciry Engineer Ray O'Donnell, Associate Planner Miller, and Community Development Technician Hennings. PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIEI~ BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT (:AT.ENDAR AS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Planning Commission Regular Meeting - June 20, 2001 b. Design Review Comrnittee Regular Meeting - June 20, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Variance No. 2001-04 and Minor DesiEn Review of a Vice Chainnan Bames opened the Public Hearing at 7:12 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for design review of a single family residence on Bell Avenue. He noted that the variance is needed for the PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - JULY 18, 2001 location of the garage. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the request with the Comcnission. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the variance is needed from the rear yard setback requirement of 20 feet. She stated that the lot is shallow and the garage is 12 feet from the rear property line. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the lot is approximately 9,600 square feet and the proposed manufactured home is 2,391 square feet with an attached 576 square foot two car garage. She stated that the stnxctiu-es will cover approximately 31% of the lot area which complies with the development standards. She indicated that the size, design, and colors of the residence meets the min;mum requirements of the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code (LEMC~ and staff is recommending that the Plannuig Commission adopt Resolution No. 2001-24 approving Variance No. 2001-04 and Resolution No. 2001-25 approving the Minor Design Review of the manufactured home at 16942 Bell Avenue. Associate Planner Miller indicated that one letter was received tonight stating concems regarding the project. The letter was circulated among the Commissioners. Vice Chau-mui Barnes indicated that there were no requests to speak however he asked if there were any in the audience who would like to speak on the project. There being none he brought the discussion back to the table. Comcnissioner Polk indicated that he reviewed the letter however he is more concerned that ~ the project complies with all Ciry codes including lot coverage. He stated he had no objection to the project. Vice Chairman Barnes indicated that in the recent past the Cominission has approved similar applications. He noted he concurred with Comixiissioner Polk's comments. Commissioner Matthies commented that the applicant has done the best possible with the size of the lot. She indicated she had no objections. There being no fui-ther discussion, Vice Chainnan Bames closed the public hearing at 7:15 pm. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-24 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING VARIANCE NO. 2001-04 FOR THE REDUCTION OF A REAR YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT LOCATED AT 16942 BELL AVENUE - APN 378-255-024, 025, AND 026. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-25 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING CONIMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING MINOR DESIGN REVIEW FOR A 2,392 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSIONMINUTES - JULY 18, 2001 FAMILY RESIDENCE AND 576 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE LOCATED AT 16942 BELL AVENLJE - APN 378-255-024, 025, & 026. 3. Elsinore Citv Center Acting Churmazi Barnes opened the Public Hearing at 7:17 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this project was before the Planning Commission previously. He indicated that the site is south of Wal Mart on Grape Street. He stated that the applicant made modifications to the project which requires a revision to the Specific Plan Amendment and an amendment to the Design Review. He asked Plannuig Manager Villa to review the amendments with the project. Placuiing Manager Villa indicated that the Plazming Commission previously recommended approval however the City Council never completed the second reading of the ordinances. He stated that the applicant has indicated that the project needed to be revised to make the project more feasible after taking into consideration the affordable housing requirement. Plumuig Manager Villa indicated that the previous approval was for 141 units and the applicant is now proposing 156 units. He stated that there were previously 117 two ', , bedroom units and 24 one bedroom units. He indicated that the new proposal is for 120 two bedroom units and 36 one bedroom uxuts. He indicated that in addition to the increased units, the applicant has redesigned the one bedroom units to make them more space efficient and they are now 50 square feet smaller. Plaruung Manager Villa indicated that there were previously nine buildings where there are now only 7 buildings. He indicated that the site plan now shows three accesses compared to the two accesses previously provided. He noted that the new site plan has only one building along Grape Street which provides a better streetscape. He indicated that the project is in compliance with the LEMC and staff is recommending that the Plaiuiuig Cocncnission adopt Resolutions No. 2001-22 and 2001-23 recommending that the City Council approve the project. Vice Chau-inau Barnes indicated that there was only one request to speak. Glen Daigle, 28991 Front Street, Temecula, indicated that he is the architect for Oak Grove Equities. He stated that there were three reasons that the applicant redesigned the project. He indicated that the need to provide for affordable housing, the undergrounding of the utilities, and the reconstruction of Grape Street made it necessary to redesign the project to make it economically feasible. He indicated that he thu~lcs the outcome is a better product. Mr. Daigle stated that staff has been very cooperative and thanked them for their help. Mr. Daigle stated that the main change in the site plan is that the garages are now detached. He noted that before they were attached and were taking up the space of an entire unit. He stated that there are now 36 detached garages available for the tenants. He noted that this is PAGE 4- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - JiJLY 18, 2001 an expensive ameniry but one that some people are willuig to pay. He stated that a bonus is that as a result of the garages being removed from the ground floor, there is now landscaping all the way up to the buildings in place of asphalt driveways. Vice Chairniui Barnes asked if there were any further comments from the audience. There being none he brought the discussion back to the table. Comtx~issioner Polk asked the location of the detached garages. Mr. Daigle indicated the color site plan which showed su~ garages grouped by sis of the buildings. Commissioner Polk noted the change from a tennis court to a volleyball court and the grouping of the recreational amenities. He stated he really liked the laundry facilities in each unit and noted that this is an upscale project. He stated that his comments stand from the last time the Comnussion reviewed this project. He noted that the traffic study has indicated that the residential use will generate a third less traffic than the previously allowed commercial use. Commissioner Matthies thanked the applicant for their work and the considerarion of the safety of the children. She stated that she likes the grouping of the recreational facilities and tot lot. She asked if the tot lot would be fenced. Mr. Daigle confirmed. Vice Chairman Barnes indicated that he expressed his feelings at the previous hearing. He noted that he still has a problem with the traffic and believes the traffic study is flawed. There being no further discussion, Vice Chairman Barnes closed the public hearing at 7:28 pm. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY A 2-1 VOTE WITH BARNES CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-22 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECONIMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NO. 1 TO THE ELSINORE CITY CENTER SPECIFIC PLAN, TO REDESIGNATE AN 8.4- ACRE PARCEL FROM "GENERAL COMMERCIAL" TO "MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL" AND TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND PASSED BY A 2-1 VOTE WITH BARNES CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-23 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, ('AT.IFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE APPROVAL OF RESIDENTIAL DESIGN REVIEW NO. 00-02 (AMENDMENT NO. 1) FOR A PROPOSED APART'MENT COMPLEX ALONG GRAPE STREET. PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - JULY 18, 2001 BUSINESS ITEMS 4. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for design review of a single family residence located on Bromley Avenue. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the project with the Commission. Associate Planner Miller indicated that first she would like to note that the name on the resolution needs to be changed. She stated that the first paragraph should state "... an applicarion has been filed with the Ciry of Lake Elsinore by I.aurel Quartaro... " She noted that the resolution to be signed has been corrected. Associate Planner Miller indicated that this is a request for design review of a 1,492 square foot manufactured home and a 400 square foot garage on a 9,120 square foot lot. She indicated that the structures cover 21% of the properry which complies with the LEMC. She stated that the applicant is providing a patio rype porch. She stated that the proposal complies with all requirements of the LEMC and staff is recommending that the Pluming Commission adopt resolution No. 2001-26 approving the Minor Design Review. Vice Chairman Barnes indicated that he received a request from Laurel Quartaro to speak. Laurel Quartaro, PO Box 737, Lake Elsinore, indicated she would like to request that Condition No. 22 be revised. She stated that she would like to pay $5,000 up front and $3,000 at close of escrow. She stated that she would also like to request that the fencing be a side by side design rather than overlapping as required by Condition No. 15. She stated that the overlapping design requires twice as much wood. There being no fiirtlier requests to speak, Vice Chairman Barnes brought the discussion back to the table. Commissioner Matthies asked staff to address the applicants request regarding Condition No. 22. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the fees are in-lieu fees. He suggested that the condition could be revised to have the fees payable at final instead of at building perxnit. Ms. Quartaro asked if escrow pays before the perxnit is finaled. She indicated that she was plamiuig on having the escrow company issue a check directly to the City. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that he would be willing to try and work with the applicant but that all fees have to be paid before Certificate of Occupancy. He suggested that the Plannuig Commission revise the condition and he will help anyway that he can admuustratively. Commissioner Matthies stated that the overlapping fencing design is the City standard. She noted that if anything the City is increasing the fencing standards in the City. PAGE 6- PI.ANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - JLTLY 18, 2001 Commissioner Polk stated that overlapping fencing only requires 10% more material. He stated he would suggest the fencing require stand. He indicated that he likes the design and has no objections to the projece. Vice Cha~rr„a„ Barnes concun-ed. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-26 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING MINOR DESIGN REVIEW FOR A 1,492 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND 400 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE LOCATED AT 17385 BROMLEY AVENUE - APN 378-142-024 WITH THE FOLLOWING REVISION TO CONDITION NO. 22: 22. PROVIDE IN-LIEU PAYMENT FOR FUTURE STREET IMPROVEMENTS ON BROMLEY AVE. PRIOR TO ~PdS ~'~ CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY(RES. 86-35). 5. 6. M 2001-03: Vice Chau-mau Bames stated that he has tried to hold off on items 5 and 6 as long as possible in the hopes of Chairmau Wilsey would make it to the meeting. He indicated that he has to excuse himself from the room for Agenda Items 5 and 6 due to a potential conflict of interest. He stated that without him there is not a quorum to hear the last two itexns and they will have to be continued to the next meeting. Community Development Director Brady apologized to the applicants and to those in the audience who came for these items. He stated that staff did not know that that Churuiui Wilsey would not be present tonight and that there would be no quorum. He recommended that the projects be continued to August 1, 2001. Doug Stewart, 31776 Thompson Road, Winchester, representing Forecast Homes, asked if the project can just be sent to the CityCouncil as the applicant has no questions or problems with the conditions. Community Development Director Brady clarified that the Plazuiing Couunission takes the final action on Residential projects and that the project does not have to go to the City Council. Ace Vallejos asked for permission to speak. Vice Chairman Barnes indicated he would have to hold his comments until next meeting. Mr. Vallejos stated he would not be able to be at the August 1 meeting and indicated that he has concerns about the multi-purpose trail. Community Development Director Brady indicated that anyone who can not attend the PAGE 7- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLITES - JiJLY 18, 2001 August 1 meeting can either send their commenu to City Hall or have a representative attend the meeting on their behalf. INFORMATIONAL STAFF COMMENTS Communiry Development Director Brady commented on the followin~ None. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Commissioner Polk commented on the followin~: • He thanked staff for the new personalized packets and stated that the new design is outstanding. Commissioner Matthies commented on the followine: • She thanked everyone who came to the meeting tonight and apologized that the items could not be heard. She encouraged anyone who could not make it to the meeting on August 1 to send their comments to staff. Vice Chairman Barnes commented on the followine: None. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNII~TG CAMMISSION MEETING AT 7:48 PM. Respectfully Submitted /~ . - onika He ~ gs, Community Development Technician VICE-CHAIRMAN PAGE 8- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - JLTLY 18, 2001 ATTEST: Plaiuiuig Cominission MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 1, 2001 The Regular Plazuung Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Chaumui Wdsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Cotxunissioner Nash. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, POLK, AND NASH MATTHIES Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Deputy CityAttorney Miles, Plazming Manager Villa, City Engineer O'Donnell, Senior Planner Morita, Associate Planner Miller, and Community Development Technician Hennings. PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CANSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY BARNES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT cAT"ENDARAS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Plaiuiuig Comnussion Regular Meeting - July 18, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Chairman Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:04 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for A Conditional Use Permit to allow outdoor seating at Qiuzuo's Classic Subs located on 371-A Rulroad Canyon Road. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the request with the Commission. PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - AUGUST 1, 2001 Associate Planner Miller indicated that Quizno's Classic Subs is requesting approval for outdoor seating for up to twelve customers. She indicated that a concern was keeping the five foot pedestrian pathway clear and staff and the police depamnent originally requested that the tables and chairs be boked to the concrete. She stated that staff has talked with the applicant and the applicant feels that movement will be restricted if the chairs are bolted to the concrete. Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff reevaluated this request and staff is recommending that Condition No. 6 be revised as follows: 6. The four (4) tables ~ to be used for the outdoor seating area will be boked to the concrete creating a permauent, non moveable eating area. A m;n;mum of one (1) table shall be provided for wheel chair access. 71.~ C',anvru~uiy Decrlopnaozt Di~tor may ~ire that the chairs Ix la~lted if they are left in tlae~crianPathratt~'• She indicated with that change, staff recommends that the plazuiuig commission adopt a resolution and approve conditional use permit number 2000-09 for outdoor seating at Quizuio's Classic Sub's located at 371-A Railroad Canyon Road. She indicated that the applicant was present to answer any questions. Chauman Wilsey requested the floor to be open for questions or comments to be addressed regarding the project. Sherry Storman, 2236 Rutherford Road, Carlsbad, indicated that she hopes that the project is approved, as the sales have dropped fifiy percent since the chairs were taken out. Chainnau Wilsey requested any further questions from the public. There being no further request to speak, Chairnian Wilsey brought the discussion back to the table. Commissioner Polk stated that he noticed that the building is in the faz right corner. Comxnissioner Polk indicated that there shouldn't be any restrictions placed on anybody because it is a landscaped end where the tables are to be placed. This was confirxned by Sherry Storman. Coimnissionei- Polk suggested with the chairs not being bolted down that they should be brought in at night for safety purposes. Sherry Storman agreed to that suggestion. Commissioner Polk had no further questions. Commissioners Barnes and Nash and Chaitman Wilsey had no comments. There being no fmther discussion, Chairman Wilsey closed the public hearing at 7:10 pm. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY BARNES AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO 2001-27 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA APPROVING OUTDOOR SEATING AT QUIZNO'S CLASSIC SUB'S LOCATED AT 371-A, RAILROAD CANYON ROAD, (APN 363-140-091). PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MIlVLTTES - AUGUST 1, 2001 3. Conditional Use Permit No. 2001-03, Variance No. 2001-05, and C 2001-01, Summerhill residenrial Self-Storage Facilitv. Chairman V~ilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:11 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is part of the specific plan off of Canyon Estate Drive where Granite Homes and Pacific Century Homes are constructed. He indicated that there aze a number of study sessions and reviews with the Plaruvng Cominission with the uses of these particular properties zoning and specific plan. He indicated that the result of that the applicant has brought forward an application for a mini- storage or self-storage faciliry. Community Development Director Brady requested that the Planning Manager Villa review this with the Commission, and answer any questions pertau~uig to this matter. Pluu~ing Manager Villa stated that this project is an implementation for a previous project that was reviewed late last year. He stated that this project area was designated as C- 1/Specific Plan which was a unique neighborhood commercial zoning for the property which would allow commercial uses that would allow more uses in line with the residential character of the neighborhood. He indicated that the project involves consideration of design review, conditional use permit and a variance. Plamung Manager Villa stated that the design review aspect of it would be for the constnxction of five buildings that would encompass 93,000 square fee of storage space. He stated that the conditional use pemut would be to regulate the operational characteristic of this faciliry and the variance would be to be able to exceed the allowable .40 FAR to .60 which would exceed it 50 percent. Plam~ing Manager Villa stated that the applicant is requesting a variance because it is believed that residential storage facilities have different architectural characteristics than a normal commercial building would have. Furthermore, Plamvug Manager Villa indicated that this building would not have the large parking needs, landscaping and other unique development requirements that a laxge commercial building would require, therefore the applicant would like to ability to build a much larger project that would have more space. Plazuiing Manager Villa indicated that some of the issues previously raised were the design of the project. He indicated that the Coxnnussion advised staff to look at a design that would be more in line with the residenrial neighborhood of the properry. He stated that the design that is proposed is consistent with the material being used within the adjacent residential areas. Plumuig Manager Villa indicated that other issues are the hours of operation and the preservation views to the lake and mountains. He stated that staff advised the applicant that these would be the major issues. Plunung Manager Villa indicated that the applicant conducted a line of sight study on the original submittal which showed that the views would block views. He indicated that the applicant lowered the pad elevations by approximately five feet which will allow cleaz views from the parcels on Stoneycreek Drive. Plaiuiuig Manager Villa requested that the Plazuiing Commission adopt resolutions that would approve Conditional Use Permit 2001-03, approve Variance 2001-05 to allow the applicant to exceed the allowable FAR and a resolution that would recommend that the City Council approve Commercial Project No. 2001-01. Plaimuig Manager Villa concluded that the applicant is present to answer any questions. PAGE 4- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLTI'ES - AUGUST 1, 2001 Chairr„an Wilsey opened the floor for questions pertau~uig to this matter. William Kipp, 47360 Sandycreek Drive, Temecula, is President/CEO of Abbacy Holding and Development Company. He noted that with him tonight are the Engineer and Architect who can answer any technical questions. He stated he has reviewed the conditions. Mr. Kipp stated that he has attended all the meetings since the begimiing of this process and are aware of the concerns and comments of the residents. He stated that a mini storage facility was one of the acceptable uses since it would involve very little traffic. He stated that he has worked with Valli Architecture to design this project so that it will have little impact on the neighborhood and Coixunissioner Nash stated that he has reviewed the plans and has noticed that the applicant has reduced the elevation of the project by five feet so that the views are preserved. He stated that the project appears to be well designed. He asked for specifics on the inside storage. Mr. Ariel Valli, Valli Architectural Group, 81 Columbia Street, Aliso Viejo, stated that many of the units are accessed from inside and that the sizes of the units range from 5' x 5' to 10' x 34'. Commissioner Nash inquired if the specific hours of operation are agreeable. Mr. Kipp confirmed that he has agreed to those hours of operation. Commissioner Barnes inquired if the office will include living quarters for an on-site caretaker. Mr. Kipp indicated that there will be no one living on the premises. He stated that the facility will be operated as a business during operating hours only. Commissioner Barnes asked if the security system would be connected to both the Fire Departinent and the Police Depaitment. Mr. Kipp confu-med. Commissioner Barnes stated that it appears Condition No. 13 and 23 are in conflic[. Planning Manager Villa indicated that the intent is to require a block wall however there are areas that it has been noted that wrought iron would be acceptable due to the height of the slope. Communiry Development Director Brady also clarified that the purpose is to require solid screening where necessary however there may be areas that may be wrought iron or a combination of both. He indicated that the purpose of these conditions is to allow a little flexibility. Planning Manager Villa stated that along the freeway there will be a wall with wrought iron. He stated however that there are a few areas where the buildings may be visible and a block wall will be necessary. Community Development Director Brady stated that along the roadway there will be a block wall with a wrought iron gate. Chauman Wilsey suggested that it may be appropriate to include at the end of Condition No. 13 "The use of wrought iron shall be reviewed and approved by the Communiry Development Director." Coxncnissioner Barnes stated that that would be acceptable however he is concerned if a six foot wrought iron fence is enough for security reasons. He suggested that the fence should include security measures such as reverse hooks. Pluming Manager Villa stated that the concern was the possibiliry of graffiti on any large expanses of block wall. He stated that the applicant is free to construct the fence up to eight feet. Comnussioner Baznes stated that in reviewing the site plan he noted that it may be hard for trucks to access the trash enclosure. He suggested that the location of the trash enclosure be reviewed. PAGE 5- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUTES - AUGUST 1, 2001 Commissioner Bames addressed Condition No. 41 and asked how the applicant was going to require Granite Homes to complete the public improvements. Mr. Kipp stated that when his company acquired the property, they entered into an agreement through the City to provide certain funds for landscaping and public improvements that were not part of the original bonds. He stated that through this agreement they can require Granite Homes to complete these public improvements or withhold monies that are in their account. Mr. Kipp stated that he has worked closely with Mr. Villa and the City on the projecu to make sure that they are meeting all of their requirements. He noted that he knows that the landscaping along Canyon Estates Drive is inadequate and there are a number of items that they must complete. Mr. Kipp stated that he will be writing them a letter after tonight's meeting requiring them to continue with these improvements. He stated that Abbacy has been auditing the development to make sure they are completing the needed improvements. Comxnissioner Polk indicated that the uchitecture is very nice however he is concerned about the two story unit. He asked about access to the second story. Mr. Valli stated that the first story will have direct access to the units. He stated that the second story units will be accessed via elevator. He indicated that this is becoming the "ncrm" for residential self storage facilities. Commissioner Polk stated that he is aware that a line of sight study was completed however he is concerned about the view the residences will have of the roofs and the screening of roof top equipment. Mr. Valli stated that the nice thing about self storage facilities is that they do not have roof top equipment. He stated that the units are vented through wall vents and the roofs are flat. Mr. Valli stated that the applicant has chosen to go with a flat roof because this is the lowest possible rooftop and will preserve the most views. Commissioner Polk asked about the aesthetics from the street. He stated that the one story buildings with have peaked roofs as well as the entire front being landscaped. Pluu~ing Manager Villa stated thaz the engineer is present and c~ provide cCarificauon of the line of sight study. Mr. Ron Martin presented the exhibit and explained the process. He stated that the study shows that the lin° of sights clears the buildings by two feet. Chairman Wilsey stated that the project has provided a nice balane;e ;vith the residential area. He stated that the landscaping is a major issue. He stated that Condition NO. 34 will provide follow up on the landscaping. City Engineer ODonnell scated thai on Candition No. 60 may have been calculated incorrectly. He stated that there is a possibiliry that the contributior. may be less than stated but that it will not be more. Cha~rr„ar, Wilsey suggested that the condition be revised to read ".., contribute no more than $1'L,600... " Mr. Kipp stated that as part of the Parcel Map the traffic light shall be installed at first certificate of occupancy. He stated that the Ciry would like to collect some of these fees up front and he stated he agreed as he would like to get the cross walk constructed as soon as possible for the safety of the children. He stated he would work out the contribution with the City Engineer. PAGE 6- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - AUGUST 1, 2001 Mr. Kipp indicated that he did a survey to get a feel of what people wanted to see in a self storage facility. He stated that they took into consideration the responses received and designed the project to reflect these comments. He noted that this is the first self storage project ever to be designed in Southem California to fit in with a residential area. There being no fiuther discussion, Chairman Wilsey closed the public hearing at 7:36 pm. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY BARNES AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-28 A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 2001-03 FOR THE SUMMERHILL RESIDENTIAL SELF STORAGE FACILITY, LOCATED ON A PROPERTY WITHIN THE CANYON CREEK/SiJMMERHILL SPECIFIC PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THE LAST SENTENCE OF CONDITION NO. 13 AND CONDITION NO. 60: 13. THE USE OF WROUGHT IRON FENCING SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR 60. DEVELOPER SHAI,L CONTRIBUTE FUNDS FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT SUMMERHILL DRIVE AND CANYON ESTATES DRIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INTENT OF PARCEL MAP 29235 CONDITION NUMBER 45 BASED ON AN ACREAGE PRO-RATA SHARE. MOVED BY BARNES, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-29 A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVJNG VARIANCE NO. 2001-05 FOR A PARCEL DESIGNATED Gl/SP NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE CANYON CREEK~SUMMERHILL SPECIFIC PLAN, TO ALLOW AN INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA RATIO, PURSUANT TO CHAI''TER 17.76 OF THE LAKE ELSINORE MUNICIPAL CODE. WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THE LAST SEN'I'ENCE OF CONDITION NO. 13 AND CONDITION NO. 60: MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY BARNES AND PA_SSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-30 A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINC~RE, C.~ILIFORNIA APPROVING C 2001-O1, COMMERCIAL DESIGN REVIEW OF THE SiJMMERHILL RESIDENTIAL SELF-STORAGE FACILITY, LOCATED ON A PROPERTY WITHIN THE CANYON CREEK/SUMMERHILL SPECIFIC PLAN. WITH THE FOLLOWING PAGE 7- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLTTES - AUGUST 1, 2001 CHANGES TO THE LAST SENTENCE OF CONDITION NO. 13 AND CONDITION NO. 60: BUSINESS ITEMS Conmrissioner Barnes left the meeting at 7:36 PM. 4. Residential Proiect No. 2001-03, Minor Desien Review of Model Homes and ~rom Julv I8, 2001~ Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is request for Design Review of Model Homes and Production Units and was continued from the last meeting. He asked Senior Planner Morita to review the project with the Comnussion. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the proposal included Design Review for 142 production lots and a three model home complex on approximately 40 acres within Tract No. 24213. He gave a brief background of the project. He noted that the Commission is being asked to look at the design of the residences, the plotting of the first phase, and the conceptual landscape plan. He noted that the applicant is proposing three plans ranging in size from 1,871 square feet to 2,311 square feet. He indicated that two of the three plans are single story. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the applicant is seeking approval for the design of the residential project subdivided by TTM No. 24213, plotting of Phase 1, and the conceptual landscape plan. Senior Planner Morita indicated that staff is recommending that the Plaiuung Comnrission adopt a resolution approving Residential Project No. 2001-03 for three reasons: 1) the design of the residential project is consistent with the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code and T°TM No. 24213, 2) the applicant will be using varied building materials and colors, and 3) the applicant has agreed to use enhanced azchitectural treatments along the building elevations that face public streets. He noted that the applicant is present to answer any questions. Cha;rman Wilsey asked the applicant to step forward. Doug Stewar[, Forecast Homes, indicated that Forecast has presented an escellent variety of product. He noted that there is diversiry and fle~bility allowed in the plan options. He stated that he feels that this is an excellent product and a great location. He stated he would be available to answer any questions. Chairn,an Wilsey announced that this is not a public hearing but that he will give those in the audience a chance to speak after the Coxnxnission has a chance to speak. He noted that the Plazuung Cominission has also received three letters and a petition that will be placed in the file. Chau-man Wilsey explained that tonight the Plamuug Comnussion is only addressing the Design Review applicarion and noted that the Tentative Tract Map has already been approved by the Plaiuiuig Comcnission and Ciry Council. He stated that some of the letters PAGE 8- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - AUGUST i, 2001 have expressed valid requests of single story homes to protect views / privacy. He asked that staff and the applicant address these requests as best as possible. Commissioner Polk stated that at the last meeting there was concern regarding the lack of the muki purpose trail. He asked staff to address this concern. Plannuig Manager stated that in anticipation of this question, staff prepared an exhibit showing the route that the City is pursuing for the trail. He stated that staff is looking at ways to re-route the trail through the B-1 Flood Control channel and on to McVicker Park. He stated that the trail has not been elinuuated and stressed that the lots in Trad 24213 are not horse property. Chau-mau Wilsey explained that he has been very involved with the plans for a trail system and noted that he does have equestrian property. He stated that the preferred route for the trail has always been along the Flood Control Channel. He stated that in the past the Flood Control would not talk to the City regarding this route for safety concerns, however since then the Flood Control has eased up on some of their objections provided the trail is fenced and the safety of the pedestrians be considered. Comcnissioner Polk thanked staff and Chairman Wilsey for the explanarion and indicated that he has no fiirtlier questions. Corcunissioner Nash indicated that the trail and the requests for single story homes were his two main concerns. He indicated that it appears that each of these aze being addressed. Mr. Stewart indicated that lots 127-131 were previously identified as needing and wanting single story homes. Cha;rn,a„ Wilsey indicated that his concerns were also the privacy issues and the trail system. Mr. Stewart indicated that he can not guarantee that all of the lots will have single story homes as Forecast will construct whatever the market dictates, however they will provide the block wall and landscaped slopes. He noted that Forecast is offering 66% of their product as single story homes. Chunnan Wilsey invited those in the audience forward to express their views; however he reiterated that this is not a public hearing. Susan Rauch, 30518 De La Lama Street, stated that she has an issue with the lots on the south side of the tract, lou 35 through 38. She indicated that she has talked to Mr. Villa and Mr. Morita regarding the elevation level. She stated that she has a wood fence along her back property line. She indicated that Forecast has increased the elevation by approximately one foot and the soil is pushing against her fence. She noted that these lots will be in Phase 4 and she is concerned that if the block wall is not built by Forecast for up to one year that her fence will collapse. Mr. Stewart indicated that he will be at the site tomorrow and he will have the engineer look at these lots. He stated that their intention is to build the perimeter block wall immediately, once all plans are approved. PAGE 9- PLANNING COMMISSION MIIVLTTES - AUGUST i, 2001 Ms. Rauch stated that Condition #22 indicates that a fencing plan is required and asked if this has been approved. Senior Planner Morita stated that he understands the concern and is trying to help. He stated that the fence plan still needs to be submiaed by the applicant. He noted that the fencing plan is an admuustrative review so that the total review process may be only a few weeks once submitted. Sandy Staz-r read a written statement that she submitted to the Planning Commission prior to the meeting. The main concerns noted in the statement include the elevations of lots 21 through 26 as well as the off site grading that has been taking place on her properry. Cha;rman Wilsey indicated that staff will look at the plotting of the houses throughout the process. He noted that the Tentative Tract Map and the grading have already been approved. Ms. Starr asked if these were public hearings. Chairxnan Wilsey indicated that there have been several meetings. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the Tentative Tract Map was approved by the Plumuig Commission and the City Council, both during public meetings. Ms. Starr noted that the Tentative Tract Map on display during that meeting was not detailed and did not show elevations of the pads. Senior Planner Morita indicated that in addition to the e~ibit there is also a blue line print that does show the elevations. Chau-uiui Wilsey suggested that Ms. Starr get together with Senior Planner Morita, although he stated that he did not know if anyrhing could be done about the grading as it was already approved. Beth McCorkle, 30523 Audelo Street, stated that she had to give the Commission credit for even mentioning the trail during this meeting. She indicated that she is hearing that it is too late to change anything; however she stated that she wanted confiimation that the trail will be re-routed. Cha~rr„an Wilsey confirmed and indicated the exhibit showing the proposed route. Ms. McCorkle stated that she has talked to the Flood Control District and they stated that will never approve the trail along the channel. She stated that a lot of things were omitted in regards to adjacent properties. She stated her other concern is the slopes and drainage. Chairn,an Wilsey stated that any slope over three feet must be fully irrigated and landscaped. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the landscape plan must still be submitted and approved by the City's Landscape Architect. Community Development Director Brady also noted that all drainage for the project must be kept on site. Ace Vallejos, 15231 Cobre, stated that he is concerned about the mulu purpose trail. He indicated that he talked to the Ciry Manager and was told that there is no money to maintain the trail. He stated that if this is true than who will maintain the slopes. He stated that the tract should have included the trail as its omission has now decreased the property values. Mr. Vallejos stated that he also checked with the Flood Control District and there are no plans for a trail in the channel. Chunnau Wilsey confirmed that plans have not yet been submitted to the Flood Control District; however it will be included in the budget when there is money available. David McCorckle, 30523 Audelo Street, stated that he has been listening tonight and appreciates that staff has come tonight prepared to discuss this issue; it is a poor attempt to glaze over the issue. He stated that this is poor plazuiiug to show a location for the trail that has not been submitted or approved. He noted that this project is starting out on the wrong foot. He stated that he thought when they purchased their house one year ago that there PAGE 10 - PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - AUGUST i, 2001 would be a buffer between his properry and the future development. He indicated that he now has four homes abutting his back yard and he is facing a significant loss of privacy. He stated that he is a counry resident and he is now not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. He noted that he is appalled and disgusted with the planning process. He noted that two feet off his properry line is a 3 to 1 slope that is 10 - 12 feet high. He stated he moved to this area for privacy and it is now gone. He noted that the original trail location could not be extended because the counry approved two houses which blocked the e~rtension of the trail. He stated that the City has found an alternative location for the trail. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-31 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING RESIDENTIAL PROJECT NO. 2001-03 WHICH ENTAILS MINOR DESIGN REVIEW OF A THREE-UNIT MODEL HOME COMPLEX WHICH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED THROUGHOUT 142 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITHIN TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 24213. 5. Chairman Wilsey indicated that the applicant has submitted a letter requesting that this item be continued until the ne~;t meeting. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO CONTINUE M 2001-03 UNTIL THE AUGUST 15, 2001 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. INFORMATIONAL STAFF COMMENTS Community Development Director Brady commented on the following: He stated that he will not be at the next Plaiuiuig Commission meeting, however staff will be present. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Coinmissioner Nash commented on the followin~: • He indicated that it is too bad that the majority of the residents had already left the meeting. He stated that he understands their concerns about privacy; however he stated that it is nazve for people to believe nothing would be buik. He stated that the subject properry is completed surrounded by residences and it should have been PAGE 11 - PLANNING COMMISSION MIlViJTES - AUGUST i, 2001 assuxned that residential development would take place in the future. He noted that the property owner has the right to develop their properry. He further stated that he did commend the people for coming out tonight and voicing their concerns. Commissioner Polk commented on the followin~: • He concurred with Commissioner Nash. He thanked his fellow Commissioner's for allowing staff to explain the future location of the trail. He stated that it is naive to not expect development on vacant land. He noted that he happens to live in a house with a large slope behind him with a house up above. He stated that he has learned to live with it and to utilize fencing and landscaping to provide screening. Chairman Wilsey commented on the followin~: He also concurred with the above comments. He stated that tonight was difficult as the Pluming Commission was only allowed to look at the Design Review as the Tentative Tract Map was already approved. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 8:25 PM. ,-,., _ ~ ~ ~ %~.~/` //~G-LL~~~~a ~~Y, Respectfully Submitted ~ onika Hennings Community evelopment Technician ATI'EST: PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLTI'ES - AUGUST 15, 2001 Senior Planner Morita indicated that the applicant is requesting design review approval for a private recreational center to be located on approximately 2.03 acres on the southwest corner of Hollyhock Street and Baywood Street. He indicated that the recreational center will be privately constructed however it will be operated and maintained by the Canyon Hills Homeowners Association. He noted that the Center will include a 3000 square foot recreation building, swiuunuig pool, wading pool, tot lot, barbecue area, and basketball court. Senior Planner Morita indicated that staff believes that the Recreational Center is well designed and proposed to be constructed in a very good location. He noted that the parcel ixnmediately south of the Recreational Center is proposed to be a neighborhood park. He noted that these two facilities will make a nice recreation hub for Canyon Hills. Senior Planner Morita indicated that staff is recommending that the Planning Commission adopt a resolution approving the project based on the Exhibits and Conditions of Approval. Jim Stringer, Pardee Construction, stated that he concurs with the conditions of approval. He noted that Ron Nugroho, Architectural Coordinator, is also present to answer any technical questions. Comaussioner Polk noted that the text and attachments aze in conflict in regards to the idenrification of the project site. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the attachment is correct and the parcel should be identified as Lot C. Coinmissioner Nash indicated that the recreation center is very well designed. Churinan Wilsey concurred that the facility is very well designed but noted that he did not expect any less for this project. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-32 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING M 2001-03, WHICH ENTAILS MINOR DESIGN REVIEW OF CANYON HILLS HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION RECREATIONAL CENTER. 3. Plannuig Manager Villa indicated that this is a request for a Minor Design Review of a model home complex and production units. He asked Senior Planner Morita to review the project with the Commission. Senior Planner Morita indicated that this is a Minor Design Review to consider three items: the design of the homes to be constructed on 173 lots within Vesting Tentative Tract No. 23848-10 and -11, the plotting plan for the &rst phase, and the conceptual landscape plan for the model home complex. He noted that Attachxnent 1 shows the location of the project which is located east of Lost Road and south of Canyon Hills Parkway. Senior Planner PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINL)TES - AUGUST 15, 2001 Morita stated that the applicant is proposing four plans ran~ng in size from 1,998 square feet to 3,330 square feet. He noted that staff is supporting the applicants request for the Minor Design Review and recommends that the Plaiu~uig Conmussion adopt the resolution. Jim Stringer, Pazdee Construction, indicated that he concurs with the majority of the conditions of approval however he would like to discuss two of the conditions. He stated that the first bullet under Condition No. 19 is requiruig 24 inch box street trees while the City's ordinance only requires 15 gallon size street trees. He noted that Condition No. 29 is not clearly worded and suggested that additional verbiage be added to the end of the condition. He stated that as written it could be misunderstood and that would prevent Pardee Construction from obtaixiing building permits for the models which are in V'I'I'M 23848-10. Chau•mazi Wilsey asked Senior Planner Morita to address these comments. Senior Planner Morita indicated that 24 inch box trees are required for Commercial projects. He noted that the condition should be changed to 15 gallon trees. He suggested the following verbiage be added to the end of Condition No. 29 "... for any development occunuig within the VTTM 23848-11 area." Comnussioner Nash asked which units the developer projects will sell the best. Mr. Stringer indicated that his personal opinion is that both the smallest and the largest units will sell very well. Cha;rman Wilsey asked for the anticipated selling prices. Mr. Stringer stated that he believes the small unit will start around $200,000 while the large unit will start at $250,000 however with the premiums and oprions available the cost can go up to $280,000. Chuimui Wilsey asked for the anticipated timeline. Mr. Stringer stated that Pardee is anticipating that the models will be completed in mid-November with the production units available in March. He noted that some of the merchant builders in Canyon Hills will be obtaix~ing Certificates of Occupancy as eady as October. Cocrunissioner Polk stated that this is a beautiful project. He asked staff if the date under background on page three is correct. Senior Planner Morita noted that the date should be August 22, 2000, not 2001. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-33 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING RESIDENTIAL PROJECT NO. 2001-05 WHICH ENTAILS MINOR DESIGN REVIEW OF A FOUR-UNIT MODEL HOME COMPLEX WHICH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED THROUGHOUT 173 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITHIN VESTING TENTATIVE TRACT MAI' NO. 23848-10 AND -11. INFORMATIONAL PAGE 4- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUTES - AUGUST 15, 2001 STAFF COMMENTS Plannuig Manager Villa commented on the followin~: • He stated that at the City Council meeting last night the City Council approved the Residential Storage Facility that is proposed for the Canyon Creek Specific Plan area. He noted that the City Council was very happy with the design. He indicated that the City Council also had the second reading of the Ordinance for the Ciry Center Apartments. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S CONIMENTS Commissioner Nash commented on the followin~: He stated that it is good to see Lou's Lounge gone. Comaussioner Polk commented on the followin~: He indicated that Senior Planner Morita did excellent work on the two projects tonight and that both aze of excellent design. He noted that he is concerned about the rate of speed that cars are traveling on Lake Street towards Terra Cotta Middle School. He stated that his neighbor was almost killed last week. He indicated that an 18 year old with no insurance was speeding in the direction of the school near Mountain and Orange Grove when it hit his neighbor's car and seriously injured her. He asked that the Ciry look into this area and do something to attempt to slow the traffic. He noted that he also has had a close call in this area. Chairmui Wilsey indicated that he was going to comment tonight on the temble condirion of Lake Street and stated he does not know how anyone can speed on that road. Comcnissioner Nash asked for an update of the Lake Sueet paving project. City Engineer O~onnell indicated that RJ Noble is the asphalt supplier for both the Lake Street project and the Caltrans job on Highway 74. He stated that they were unable to do both jobs at the same time, however they will start on the Lake Street project again ne~ week and anticipate to be completed within tcvo weeks. Cha;rn,an Wilsev commented on the following: He asked if there is any update on the Forecast project. Planning Manager Villa indicated that no one spoke at the Ciry Council meeting last night regarding this project however staff is still receiving routine calls from time to time. He asked how long a car or RV can be parked along Lincoln Street between Machado and Riverside Drive in front of the apartments. He noted that there is one vehicle that has been parked for over a month and that someone is living in an RV for a week at a time approximately every other week. He indicated that he thought PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - AUGUST 15, 2001 there was a 24 to 72 hour time limit for parked vehicles. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that there is a City ordinance that indicates that if a car is parked for a certain amount of time that it is considered abandoned and can be cited and towed. Plazming Manager Villa stated that he would ask Coc{e Enforcement to look into this. ADjOURNMENT MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 7:25 PM. Respectfully Submitted ~ onika He ~ s, Community evelopment Technician ATTEST: Nl v~f ~ A. Br~ ie Commission MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 2001 The Regular Pluuiiug Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Cha;,-.,,a., Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Cominissioner Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Deputy City Attorney Miles, City Engineer ODonnell, Associate Planner Miller, and Communiry Development Technician Hennings. PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Plamiuig Commission Regular Meeting - August 15, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Tentarive Parcel Map 30254 and Negative Declaration No. 2001-02 - APN 377-151-054 Chairmau Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:02 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for approval of a Tentative Parcel Map for industrial properry located off Collier Avenue and Crane Street. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the project with the Cosnxnission. Associate Planner Miller indicated she would fu-st like to make a few corrections. She first noted the followixig changes to the parcel areas as stated on Page 2 in the first paragraph PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSIONMINUTES - SEPTEMBER 5, 2001 under "Project Description": "Parcel 1- 3.0 acres; Parcel 2-.9 acres; Parcel 3- 3.1 acres; Parcel4 -.9 acres; and Parcel 5- 1.0 acres." She noted that in the table on Page 3, the size of the buildings should also be adjusted to the following: "One: 33,900 square feet; Two: 20,000 square feet; Three: 48,000 square feet; Four: 10,000 square feet; Five: 20,000 square feet". Associate Planner indicated that when she reviewed the conceptual plan she also missed that two of the buildings exceed the allowable floor area ratio of 40%. She stated that she has talked to the applicant and would like to add the followixig as Condition No. 16a to address this requirement: "The applicant shall comply with the General Plan's maximum allowable building area of 40%." Associate Planner Miller indicated that the applicant is requesting consideration of a Tentative Parcel Map and a conceptual site plan. She stated that the projea site is 9.9 acres that the applicant is proposing to subdivide into five parcels. She indicated that the first phase will include only Parcel 1. Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff has discussed the parking requirements with the applicant and staff and the applicant will address these requirements with the future phases. She indicated that Negative Declaration No. 2001-02 has been prepared pursuant to the California Environmental Qualiry Act. Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff is recommending that the Plaiuiiiig Commission recommend that the Ciry Council approve the requests based on the e~ibits, findings, and conditions of approval. Plam~ing Coi7unission Chair Wilsey asked the applicant if they have read and agree with the Conditions of Approval. Vince Doxninick, Infinity Construction, 30395 Ainsworth Place, Lake Elsinore, indicated that he has no questions on the conditions. Bruce Shindelus, Architect, 25487 Buckley Drive, Murrieta, indicated he is available to answer any questions. Cominissioner Barnes indicated that it appears that all of the issues have been addressed with the Condition of Approvals. He indicated that he has no fiirther comments or questions. Commission Polk indicated that he also does not have any comments or questions Commissioner Matthies concurred. ComTnissioner Nash asked if buildings two through five will be submitted as Phase 2. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the buildings may not go forward all at once, but rather in separate phases. Mr. Dominick indicated that he is currently working with other clients. He stated that he hopes to include two or three buildings in Phase 2. ComTnissioner Nash questioned the layout of the parcels. Mr. Doxninick indicated that he tried to detemune what the clients would need and make the most efficient use of the space. Cha;n„an Wilsey questioned if the applicant was utilizing compact spaces. Associate Planner Miller indicated that Parcel 1 did include compact spaces; however staff does not have that level of detail for the other buildings. Chairman Wilsey noted that he previously discussed eliininating the use of compact spaces. Community Development Director Brady indicated that compact parking spaces are currently allowed by the Municipal Code. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MIlVUTES - SEPTEMBER 5, 2001 Chaumazi Wilsey asked if staff has gotten any feed back from the Council on the revision to the Code eliininating the allowed use of compact spaces. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that staff will initiate the amendment to the Code and it will be brought before both the Plaiu~uig Con~nussion and the City Council. There being no fiirther requests to speak, Chaiimazi Wilsey closed the Public Hearing at 7:13 pm. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY BARNES AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-34 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING CONIMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE CERTIFICATION OF NEGATIVE DECLARATION NO. 2001-02. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-35 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE APPROVAL OF TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP 30254 LOCATED AT COLLIER AVENUE AND CRANE STREET - APN 377-151-054 WITH THE ADDITION OF CONDITION N0.16A AS STATED ABOVE. 3. Conditional Use Pernut No. 2001-04, Design Review for Industrial Project No. I 2001-03, and Negative Declararion No. 2001-02 - APN 377-151-054 Chairman Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:15 pm Community Development Director Brady indicated that this proposal is related to the previous item. He indicated that the proposal is for a new industrial project for an existing business in town that is relocating so they xnay expand. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the project with the Commission. Associate Planner Miller indicated that this is a request for Design Review consideration of a 33,900 square foot industrial building and a Conditional Use Perxnit for outdoor storage. She noted the building is to be located on Parcel 1 of the previously approved Tentative Parcel Map. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the architectural design uses large angles and curves that will be a new design to the City. She noted that this design works well for the future tenant, Foamworks. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the site is deficient in parking spaces and a condirion has been included requiring that the applicant add an additional eight spaces along the perimeter of the site. She noted that the applicant is requesting a 10' masonry wall surrounding the storage yard to conceal the large items that will be stored. She noted that staff is supporting this request as the applicant has agreed to add additional architectural features to the wall. PAGE 4- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 5, 2001 Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff is recommending that the Pluuiuig Commission approve the Conditional Use Pernut and recommend approval to the City Council of the Design Review. Mr. Dominick, Infinity Construction, indicated that he has read the conditions and has no questions. Mr. Shindelus, Architect, noted that compact parking spaces aze required due to site restrictions. Chairman Wilsey noted that this is not an issue with this project as compact spaces are currently allowed. Coixunissioner Nash commended staff and the applicant on a well designed project. He noted that the proposed building will be a nice addition to the City. He noted that additional planting along the wall will be a good addition. Commissioner Bames concurred with Comcnissioner Nash. He stated that the City needed some new architecture such as tonight's proposal. He indicated that it will be a great addition and noted he would like to see more variety in the future. Commissioner Polk noted that he likes the architectiu-e as well. He stated that a 10' foot wall does seem high but he understands the applicants need to screen their storage yard. He asked for confirmation of the location of the wall. Mr. Dominick noted the location of the exl~ibit. Commissioner Matthies concurred with the other Commissioners. She thanked staff and the applicant on a job well done. Chairman Wilsey concurred with the previous comments. 'There being no futther requests to speak, Chairman Wilsey closed the Public Hearing at 7:21 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that Negative Declaration No. 2001-02 was prepared to cover both the previous item and this project. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-36 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 2001-04, WHICH ENTAILS REVIEW OF AN OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT TO BE LOCATED ON CALLIER AVENLJE AND CRANE STREET - APN 377-151-054. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-37 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF DESIGN REVIEW FOR PAGE 5- PLANNING CONIMISSION MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 5, 2001 INDUSTRIAL PROJECT NO. 2001-03, TO BE LOCATED ON COLLIER AVENUE AND CRANE STREET - APN 377-151-054. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that this project is scheduled to go to the City Council on September 25, 2001. BUSINESS ITEMS None. INFORMATIONAL STAFF COMMENTS Community Development Director commented on the followin~. He stated that the Ciry Council meeting for ne~ct week has been rescheduled from Tuesday, September 11, 2001 to Monday, September 10, 2001 due to a conflict in scheduling with the League of California Cities conference. He indicated that the work on Lake Street is almost complete and the work on the Fraz~klin Street connection will start on September 17, 2001. He indicated that the McVicker Park Fire Station is coming along. He noted that the grading is complete and the building permits have been pulled. He noted that Engineering has been very busy and commended City Engineer ODonnell and his staff. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Coxmnissioner Nash commented on the followine: He noted that this is the begiiuiuig of the year for many and he looks forward to what may lay ahead. Commissioner Barnes commented on the followin~: No comments. Commissioner Polk commented on the followin~: He thanked staff for the work on Lake Street. He also thanked City Engineer O~onnell for the emra help with reducing the speed of cars on Lake Street. He noted that he and all his neighbors are e~rtremely grateful. PAGE 6- PLANNING CONIMISSIOIV MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 5, 2001 Commissioner Matthies commented on the followine: • She thanked staff for the work they have done and apologized for her extended vacation recently. She noted that the Riverside County Sheriff Mounted Posse Rodeo was last weekend and indicated that they had a wonderful turn out. Chairinui Wilsep commented on the following~ • He asked if there is any update on the Auto Mall. Community Development Director Brady indicated that there is no new update on the upper properties. He stated that the owner of Lake Elsinore Ford does have an option on the properry across forthe dealership. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY BARNES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 7:27 PM. Respectfully Submitted ~~ ~ ` onika Hennuigs Community evelopment Technician ATTEST: Pluming Commission MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAI~E ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2001 The Regular Plam~uig Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Chairrr,an Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Nash. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH BARNES Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Deputy City Attorney Miles, Ciry Engineer O'Donnell, Associate Planner Miller, and Community Development Technician Heruiings. PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY NASH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDARAS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Plamiing Cominission Regular Meeting - September 5, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. Tentative Parcel Map No. 30187 - APN 377-160-015 & 016 Chairman Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:04 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for approval of a Tentative Parcel Map for an industrial area. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the project with the Cominission. Associate Planner Miller indicated she would first like to make a correction. She noted that on page 2 under "Project Description" the first sentence should read "... appro~umately 4 acres... " PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLTI'ES - SEPTEMBER 19, 2001 Associate Planner Miller indicated that this proposal will complete the industrial project that was started a few years ago. She stated that the proposed project is located on Chaney Street and Flint Street and will subdivide four acres into four parcels. She stated that Parcel4 is currently under construction and is almost complete. Associate Planner Miller indicated that during the review staff found that parcel 2 is not large enough to meet the iniiuinum floor area ratio for the building proposed. She indicated that Condition 17 has been included to resolve this issue. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the project meets the nuniinum requirements of the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code and therefore staff is recommending that the Pluining Commission adopt the proposed resolution. Chairman Wilsey asked the applicant to come forward. He asked the applicant if they had read the conditions and if they had any questions or comments. Conrad Reiger, 4044 Cannelita Circle, Temecula, noted that he is the architect on the project and indicated that he has no questions or comments. Commissioner Matthies commended staff on a great job. Commissioner Nash indicated that he had no questions. Comcnissioner Polk noted that the applicant is required to dedicate additional right of way and asked if the plans reflect this dedication. Associate Planner Miller indicated that they did. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that the applicant is required to dedicate the additional right-of-way. He noted that this area become public right-of-way and the setbacks are measured from this point. Carl Johnson, President of Near-Cal, noted that Chaney has already been widened and that the only improvements that still need to be constructed are the sidewalks on Flint Street. He noted that he did have a sore point regarding the street lights. He stated that the approved plans showed existing street lights. He indicated that the street lights were never installed and Near Cal had to bear the cost of installing the lights. Chairman Wilsey had no comments. There being no further requests to speak, Chairman Wilsey closed the Public Hearing at 7:06 pm. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-38 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAI~E ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE APPROVAL OF TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP NO. 30187 LOCATED AT CHANEY STREET AND FLINT STREET - APN 377-160-015 & 016. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 19, 2001 Design Review for Industrial Project No. I 2001-02 - APN 377-160-015 & 016 Chau•inui Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:07 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this proposal is related to the previous item and is the Design Review for the industrial buildings. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the project with the Commission. Associate Planner Miller indicated that this is a request for Design Review consideration of an industrial project that includes three buildings. She indicated that the same condition relating to the realignment of the property lines applies to this projece also. Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff has also included a condition requuuig the applicant to widen the driveway off Chaney to 30 feet. She indicated that the applicant has exceeded the required landscaping. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the buildings will consist of individual tenant units varying in size from appro~umately 1,340 square feet to 1,960 square feet. She stated that each unit will include an office, reception area, rest room and warehouse area. She noted that the architecture and colors are of similar color and materials as the neighboring buildings. Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff is recommending that the Pluu~ing Commission adopt the proposed resolution. Cha;rn,a„ Wilsey asked the applicant to come forward. He asked the applicant if they had reviewed the Conditions of Approval and if they had any questions or comments. Conrad Reiger, 4044 Cannelita Circle, Temecula, indicated that he has no quesuons or comments on the Conditions of Approval. He noted that he worked with staff and redesigned the elevations so they would blend well with the previously approved buildings. He noted that everyone seexns happy with the outcome. Commissioner Polk indicated that staff and the applicant did a good job on this project. Cominissioner Matthies indicated that this is a great project. Comtnission Nash noted that this is a good project and commended staff on a great job. Cha;rr„a., Vpilsey noted that this project will blend well with the adjacent buildings. He noted that the completed buildings look beautiful. There being no fiuther requests to speak, Chairman Wilsey closed the Public Hearing at 7:12 pm. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-39 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF DESIGN REVIEW FOR INDUSTRIAL PROJECT NO. 2001-02, TO BE LOCATED ON CHANEY STREET AND FLINT STREET - APN 377-160-015 & 016 PAGE 4- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 19, 2001 BUSINESS ITEMS None. INFORMATIONAL STAFF CONIMENTS Community Development Director commented on the followin~. None PLANNING CONIMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Commissioner Nash commented on the followine: He noted that his prayers and sympathies are with those in New York. He indicated that the Conunission and staff need to keep working as one and continue to move forward. He stated "Be strong. We will prevail." ComTnissioner Matthies commented on the followine: She stated that she concurs with Coxntnissioner Nash. She commended staff on a job well done. She noted that the Chamber of Commerce will be hosting the Lake Elsinore Golf Tournament a week from this Friday (September 29, 2001~. Commissioner Polk commented on the followine: • He indicated he concurred with Comcnissioner Nash and added that this is an interesting time for everyone to be more tolerant of each other. • He thanked staff for doing a great job. Cha;rman Wilsey commented on the followin~ • He concurred with the previous comments. PAGE 5- PLANNING CONIMISSION MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 19, 2001 ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 7:14 PM. Respectfully Submitted onika He ' ~, Community Development Technician ATTEST: A. Brady, Secretary e Comcnission MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAI~E ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 3, 2001 The Regular Plaiuiing Comnussion Meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Chainnan Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Nash. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARIVES, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Also present were: Community Development Director Brady, Deputy CityAttorney Miles, City Engineer O'Donnell, Senior Planner Morita, Associate Planner Miller, Community Development Technician Hennings, and Community Development Clerk / Typist Porche'. PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDARAS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Plamiiug Commission Regular Meeting - September 19, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. 2001-02 for a Wireless Te Street (APN 374-262-013 Chairman Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:01 pm. Comtnissioner Matthies excused herself from the room at 7:01 pm. PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - OC,°TOBER 3, 2001 Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for Design Review and Conditional Use Permit for a wireless telecommunication facility to be located in the Downtown Historic District. He asked Associate Planner Miller to review the project with the Corxuivssion. Associate Planner Miller indicated that this is request for approval of a telecommunication facility. She noted that the applicant has been working on this for several months and has come up with a water tower design. She indicated that staff understands that this was the location of an original, authentic, water tower when the railroad was n,nning through town. She stated that the facility will be located on a 30 square foot area, enclosed by a block wall, on a parcel on Graham Avenue near Spring Street in Area One of the Historic Elsinore Overlay District. Associate Planner Miller indicated that she would recommend that Condition No. 5 be revised to read "... 6 foot block wall painted with anti graffiti material... " She noted that the overall height of the facility will be 72 feet high with the tank area being 19 feet across and 17 feet high and the base being 25 feet across. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the support coluxnns will be constnzcted of steel and fashioned to simulate wood in both color and tea~ure and the tank will be a plastic material also fashioned to simulate wood. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the lettering is proposed to be three feet high. She indicated that there are several oprions on the exact wording to be displayed on the water tower, with some possibilities being "Historic Elsinore", "Historic Lake Elsinore", or "Historic Downtown" on one line and "City of Lake Elsinore" on a second line. She noted that this can be open for discussion. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the Conditional Use Perxnit is needed due to the height of the facility. She indicated that the applicant is proposing a height of 72 feet and the zoning district allows a maYiinum height of 35 feet. She mdicated that the applicant has noted that it may be possible to lower the faciliry by a few feet and noted that the applicant will address this issue. Associate Planner Miller indicated that she received one phone call regarding this project. She asked that the record reflect that Betry Brown, 121 S Spring Street, called to say that she did not feel that this structure belongs in the Historic Downtown area. Associafe Planner Miller stated that staff feels this project could be a very positive thing for the Historic area, which will be able to be seen for quite a distance. She indicated that staff is recommending that the Plaiuung Coxrunission adopt a resolution approving the Conditional Use Pernut and Minor Design Review. Chaini~an Wilsey asked the applicant to come forward. Don Williams, 1823 East 17`~' Street, Santa Ana, indicated that he works for Telecom Wire Communications which is direct consultant to Sprint PCS. Mr. Williazns stated that Sprint is pleased to be able to provide digital service to the Lake Elsinore area. He noted that this is one of the areas that customers complain about lack of coverage and Sprint is trying to PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - OCTOBER 3, 2001 correct this. Mr. Willian~s explained the coverage maps and explained how it is deternuned what height is needed based on the surrounding obstructions, such as hills and buildings. He stated that adding additional height is very expensive and Sprint would not be requesting the extra height if it was not needed for coverage. Mr. Williams indicated that Sprint PCS is excited about providing this landinark for the City and he is proud to have been able to work with staff on this project. He stated that this facilitywill utilize the highest digital technology available. He further explained some of the future technologies that will be available. Mr. Williams indicated that Sprint wants to work with the City and will be amendable to listening to what the Commission has to say. He noted that he believes this facility is necessary and he indicated that he would hate to lower the height only to find out later that the height really was necessary. He indicated that he thu~ks that the City will be proud of this faciliry. Chainnui Wilsey asked Mr. Williams if he has read the conditions of approval and asked if he had any questions or comments. Mr. V~'illiams indicated that he does not have any questions regarding the conditions of approval. Kent Stowe, 181 S. Woodlake Street, asked if this facility would provide coverage in the Four Corners area. He indicated that he currently does not have coverage. Bill Tucker, AKA Whiskers, stated that this is a fantastic opportuniry for the City and indicated that he hopes the Comtnission approves the request. Comcnissioner Bames noted Condition No. 8 indicates that co-location would be possible at this faciliry. He asked if this would be inside the facade. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that all future antennas would also be located inside the structure. Commissioner Barnes noted that staff is not asking for any additional landscaping and asked for verification that staff is happy with the e~sting landscaping. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the faciliry will be located in the center of the proposed pazcel and will be surrounded by other landscaping. He noted that staff was prin~az•ily concerned about height, size, and massing. Commissioner Barnes asked if Spring will inauitain the facility and repair any vandalism and remove any graffiti. Community Development Director Brady indicated that a condition can be added which states that all graffiti be removed within a certain amount of time. Comcnissioner Barnes noted that the only other concern is the wording. He indicated that he would prefer to see "Historic Lake Elsinore". Chairmau Wilsey indicated that he is sure this will be discussed in furtlier depth. He asked if there was anyone who knew the exact wording of the City when it was first founded. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the name of the city was originally "Elsinore". Comrnissioner Barnes noted that he would then change his recommendation to having the wording read "Historic Elsinore". Churmui Wilsey indicated that he would like to see the original date of incorporation listed on a second line. He noted that this can be discussed more in depth later ui the hearing. Comtnissioner Polk stated that he was going to agree with "Historic Elsinore" as he has read the book by Tom Hudson and was impressed by "Historic Elsinore". He stated that he PAGE 4- PLANNING COMNIISSION MIIVUTES - OCTOBER 3, 2001 loves the design and thinks that this is the most original design that has come through. He further stated that he thuiks this is very suitable for the downtov,m area. Conmussioner Polk asked the applicant what is the lowest height they can go. Mr. Williazns indicated that he may be able to lower the tower by a few feet. He mdicated that there is a couple feet of clearance inside the structure and then the tower can be lowered by a couple of feet. He stressed that he would hesitate to lower the tower for no real reason. He noted that in the fixture that couple of feet may make a difference in coverage area. He reminded the Cominission that the ne~rt carrier would be at an even lower height as they would be placing their antennas below Sprint antennas. He indicated that Sprint PCS would have to draw up new coverage xnaps to see how a couple of feet would affect the coverage. He stated that it would be best to provide the height now for the future. Commissioner Poik stated that he would tend to agree with the applicant and would suggest that the Coxnxnission do not lower the tower, especially since it is being done right to begin with. He noted that the future performance is important. Commissioner Nash indicated that the facility looks good and it fits in well with the downtown area. He stated that he has no problem with the height of the facility. He noted that he feels it appropriate that one of the original families in the downtown area, those owiung Pioneer Lumber, should benefit from this project. He indicated that staff has done a wonderful job and he would personally like to see the tower read "Historic Lake Elsinore". Chairman Wilsey noted that he did not see a timing for review on the Conditional Use Pernut and asked if this was left out. Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff recently established a policy, on a case by case basis, of not placing time limits but rather condition the applicant. She noted that if the applicant does not comply with the conditions than the Pernut would be revoked. Community Development Director clarified that the item would be presented to the Commission for review with the possibility of the Plannuig Comaussion, not staff, revoking the Conditional Use Permit. Chairman Wilsey indicated that with current staffing levels he can see how it can be problem to track all Conditional Use Perxnits. Chunnan Wilsey suggested that a condition be added regarding the removal of any graffiti. Communiry Development Director suggested some standard wording. Discussion took place regarding the exact wording. The consensus of the Cocncnissioners was to have the Water Tower say "Historic Lake Eisinore" on the first line and "Established in 1888" on the second line. There being no further requests to speak~ Chairman Wilsey closed the Public Hearing at 7:28 pm. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-40 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAI~E ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 2001-O1, WHICH ENTAILS REVIEW OF A PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - OCTOBER 3, 2001 TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY THAT WILL INCLUDE A WATER TOWER TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON GRAHAM AVENUE (APN 374-262-013). MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY BARNES AND PASSED BY A 4-0 VOTE WITH MATTHIES ABSTAINING TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-41 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING MINOR DESIGN REVIEW OF MISCELLANEOUS PROJECT NO. 2001-02 WHICH ENTAILS REVIEW OF A TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY THAT WILL INCLUDE A WATER TOWER TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON GRAHAM AVENUE (APN 374- 262-013), WITH THE FOLLOWING REVISION TO CONDITION NO. 5 AND ADDITION OF CONDITION N0.12. 5. THE TELECOMMCTNICATION FACILITY SHALL BE ENCLOSED WITH A 6 FOOT BLOCK WALL PAINTED WITH ANTI GRAFFITI MATERIAL AND A 6' WROUGHT IRON GATES AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS. CHAIN LINK OR BARB WIRE ARE NOT ALLOWED. 12. GRAFFITI SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE STRUC7TIRE, TANK, FENCE, AND WALLS TK~ITHIN 48 H~URS. BUSINESS ITEMS Desipn Review for Residential Project No. 2001-04, located at Pennsylvania Street - APN 398-313-008 through 012. Comcnissioner Matthies retiuned to the meeting at 7:29 pm. Cominissioner Nash escused himself from the room at 729 pm. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is Design Review for a residential project of five homes to be located on Pennsylvania Avenue. He asked Associate Planner to review the project with the Cominission. Associate Planner Miller indicated that this is a request for Design Review of five single family homes on Pennsylvania Avenue. She noted that this is considered an"infill" project as it is surrounded by smgle story homes constructed in the 1980's. He noted that there are also two two-story homes that there were constructed in the 1990's. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the applicant will be constructing two plans that were previously approved for another project, known as Southshore Reflections. She indicated that the applicant will be constructing Plan 2, a 1,708 square foot one story home, and Plan 3, a 2,035 square foot two story home. She noted that staff has asked the applicant to add additional architectural features to Plan 3 slightly in order to offer more variation in design. PAGE 6- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUTES - OCTOBER 3, 2001 She indicated that staff is recommending that the Commission adopt a resolution approving the project. Cha;,-~„a„ Wilsey asked the applicant to come forward. He asked the applicant if they have reviewed the conditions and if he has any questions or comments. Mike Hargrove, Elsinore Homes, 702 Randolph, No. A, Costa Mesa, indicated that he has reviewed the conditions and has no questions or comments. . Coxncnissioner Bames asked if the existing fencing is being replaced. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the applicant is conditioned to replace the e~sting fencing. She indicated that this is the policy when a project is an infill project. Conunissioner Barnes stated that he is happy to hear this. Cominissioner Polk asked if Condition No. 8, regarding ADA requirements, is a new condition for housing and what does this entail. Associate Planner Miller indicated that this is a standard condition and generally refers to items such as the width of doors. Commissioner Matthies concurred with the previous comments. She indicated that she likes the large recreation parking on the side yards. She commended staff on a great job. Cha;rma„ Wilsey noted that he was afraid the new sryles would overwhelxn the existing neighborhood, however upon review he feels they will blend in well. He indicated that fencing was also a concern of his, but it appears that that has been addressed. He noted that staff has done a good job. Commissioner Polk asked if Condition No. 45 means there will no longer be drains pipes through the curbs. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the new NPDES requirements do not allow this. He noted that the drainage must be directed through the landscaping and turf to help filter the run off. A member of the audience asked to speak. Chairman Wilsey indicated that this is not a public hearing; however the Plumuig ComTnission would be happy to listen to what the residences have to say. Kent Stowe, 181 South Woodlake, asked how high the new fences will be and asked if they will go across all lots. He also asked about the placement of the houses. He noted that he lives behind these lots and has a pool and would like to retain some privacy. He asked about dust control and asked that the applicant be sure to water down the site regularly. He noted that since the site was graded he has had a major gopher problem. Mr. Stowe asked the applicant if they knew when the construction would start. He noted that he has seen the homes and they are beautiful. Mike Hargrove indicated that the new fences will be 6 feet high and will comply with the Ciry standards. He noted that there will be a 6 foot high block wall facing Sinclair Avenue. He indicated that Elsinore Homes will contact each homeowner prior to their fence being replaced. He noted that the lots aze fairly large and the houses are sited to provide a PAGE 7- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLITES - OCTOBER 3, 2001 maximum back yard. He indicated that houses sit an average of 22' to 28' feet from the front properry line. He noted that the worst of the grading is already done, however he will try to ensure the dust remains in control. He indicated that they will start construction in approximately 2 weeks and will continue for approximately four months. He noted that he did not have a solution for the gopher problem. Community Development Director Brady noted that the rear setbacks are much larger than in other areas of the City and will range from 55 feet to 73 feet. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY BARNES AND PASSED BY A 4-0 VOTE WITH NASH ABSTAINING TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-42 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAI~E ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING RESIDENTIAL PROJECT NO. 2001-04 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIVE (5) SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO BE LOCATED ON PENNSYLVANIA STREET - APN 389- 313-008 THROUGH 012. 4. Commissioner Nash returned to the meeting at 7:40 pm. Commissioner Barnes excused hunself from the room at 7:40 pm Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is Minor Design Review for model homes in the Canyon Hills Specific Plan area. He asked Senior Planner Morita to review the project with the Conunission. Senior Planner Morita indicated that this is a request for approval of three items: 1) building elevations for homes that will be constructed on 1281ots within Tract No. 23848 and 29811, 2) Plotting Plan for Phase 1 which includes 161ou, 3) conceptual landscaping plan for the Model Home Comples. He noted that this project is in two separate areas. He indicated that the units located within Tract 23848 comprise approximately 20 acres and is located south of Canyon Hills Parkway, west of Lost Road, and near the northern portion of the overall Canyon Hills Specific Plan area. He noted that the rema;,,;,,g units are located on appro~uxnately 10 acres in Tract 29811 and are located at the southeast corner of Lost Road at Cedarhill Lane, near the southern portion of the overall Canyon Hills Specific Plan area. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the applicant is proposing four different plans ran~ng in size from 1,770 square feet to 2,456 squaze feet. He idenrified the e~ibits showing the streetscapes and the conceptual landscape plans. Senior Planner Morita indicated that staff supports the request for because the proposal is consistent with the Canyon Hills Specific Plan and the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code and the project is well designed and is consistent with the high quality standards set by the Pluuiing Commission and staff for the Canyon Hills area. Senior Planner Morita mdicated that staff recommends that the Placuiuig Commission adopt the resolution approving this project. PAGE 8- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - OCTOBER 3, 2001 Tim Howard, KB Homes, 12235 El Cainino Real, Ste 100, San Diego, indicating that he and Mr. Adam Pevney are available to answer any questions of the Commissions. He noted that this is the first project for KB Homes in the City. He noted that this is a good community for families with a beautiful Historic downtown area. He noted that Pardee Construction has done a great job with the Canyon Hills master plan. Mr. Howard commended staff, especially Duane Morita. Mr. Howard indicated that in his 15 years of experience, this staff is the most pleasurable that he has ever had the opportunity to work with. He noted that staff has always taken the time to sit down and work out any issues. Mr. Howard indicated that KB Homes is providing 4 plans with 8 different elevations, both enhanced and unenhanced depending on if they will be seen from the public right of way. He noted that the estimated selling prices will be from $175,000 to $210,000. Mr. Howard indicated that he is very pleased with the product and is looking forward to building in Lake Elsinore. Cha;rman Wilsey asked if Mr. Howard had reviewed the conditions and if they have any comments or questions. Mr. Howard indicated that the conditions were all acceptable. Chainnui Wilsey thanked Mr. Howard for the comments regarding staff. Commissioner Nash asked if the plotting for the remaiuing 112 lots may change. Mr. Howard indicated that KB Homes does not pre-plot the houses. He indicated that they will plot the homes based on market demand. He noted that the City, as well as Pardee Construction, will review the plotting as they move forward with future phases. Commissioner Nash indicated that he was concerned the nuxnber of lots would increase. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that that will not happen. He indicated that the tract map has been approved and the oniy decisions to be made are which plan will be placed on which lots. Senior Planner Morita indicated that he precise grading is the next process and that will decide the plotting of the lots. Comcnissioner Nash noted that there are four plans but only three models. Mr. Howard noted that Plan 2 is a smaller foot print and is reserved for certain lots that have building constraints. He noted that it is not a preferable plan; however some lots are shallow and will require this plan. Comaussioner Matthies indicated that the project looks great and commended staff on a job well done. Commissioner Polk noted that he likes the product very much; however he has a personal question. Cominissioner Polk noted that he has seen a trend move away from separate Living and Family Rooms and instead offer a Great Room. He noted that these plans do not reflect this trend. Mr. Howard noted that he does not pick which plans will be built. He noted that that is done based on market demands. He noted, however, that he personally does prefer a great room to two separate rooms. He noted that trends come and go over approxixnately a ten year cycle. Chairman Wilsey indicated that the project looks very nice and he looks forward to this addition to the community. PAGE 9- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - OCfOBER 3, 2001 MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND PASSED BY A 4-0 VOTE WITH BARNES ABSTAINING TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-43 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING RESIDENTIAL PROJECT NO. 2001-06 WHICH ENTAILS MINOR DESIGN REVIEW OF A THREE-UNIT MODEL HOME COMPLEX AND PRODUCTION UNITS WHICH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED THROUGHOUT 128 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITHIN TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NOS. 23848 AND 29811. INFORMATIONAL STAFF CAMMENTS Community Develooment Director commented on the following. • He noted that entrance monument signs have been installed at the off ramps on Main Street. He noted that the signs are made of foam and are designed to look like concrete. He indicated that they were made by Foamworks, a local company. He indicated that these are the first tcvo of several that will be located throughout the city. • He complimented both Linda Miller and Duane Morita on a job well done. He noted that Mr. Shepherd also contacted the City Manager's office indicating how pleased they were of staff. He stated that he is always happy when he receives these kinds of comments regarding staff. • He confirmed that the Plauning Commissioner's received an invitation to the State of the City address. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Commissioner Matthies commented on the followin • She commended staff on a great job. • She noted that the Eisinore Women's Club would like to know how to go about getting signs on the freeway indicating historic downtown. She asked if staff could get them a phone number for someone they can contact. Community Development Director Brady mdicated that staff just met with the Cal Trans Director and these issues were discussed and are being looked into. • She noted that there is a house that is fenced and boarded up next to her house. She noted that some of the boards have been removed and someone has been staying at the house. She asked that Code Enforcement investigate this. PAGE 10 - PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - OC'tOBER 3, 2001 Comcnissioner Polk commented on the followine: • He complimented staff on the water tower. He noted that he was overwhelxned with the design and noted that we are on the right track. • He thanked Communiry Development Director Brady for inviting him to the Inland Empire Business Lunch. He noted that Mr. Husing discussed the theme "Diversit~'. He mdicated that one of the inain messages is that the area is going to grow, however if there is to be quality growth the AI.L of the children must be educated. • He noted that there are still children riding dirt bikes on the streets by his house around 330 pm. He noted that this is dangerous as pazenu are having to bring in small children for their safety. He indicated that he would like to have someone from staff call him regarding this to find a solution. • He commented on the number of basketball hoops that are appearing on sidewalks and on curbs. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that these are not allowed in the public right of way. He noted that Code Enforcement has been nodfying the properry owners. Commissioner Polk indicated that these hoops block the sidewalks. He suggested that staff may want to consider having pocket courts part of new subdivisions to give kids a safe place to play. Commissioner Nash commented on the followine: • He thanked Steve Miles and other Ciry Staff for participating in the Chamber's golf tournament. He noted that there was a good turn out and everyone had a good time. • He noted that the water tower will be a good addition to the Ciry. Chaim~an Wilsey commented on the following • He concurred with all of the above comments. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 8:02 PM. PAGE 11- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLTTES - OCT'OBER 3, 2001 Respectfully Submitted i ~ onika Hen gs, Community Development Technician ATTEST: MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET i.AKF. ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 17, 2001 The Regular Pluu~iug Cominission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Chairman Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, BARNES, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: None Also present were Community Development Director Brady, Associate Planner Miller, Community Development Technician Hennings, and Community Development Clerk/ Typist Porche'. PUBLIC COMNIENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR Conuiussioner Barnes indicated that there is a correction on page three, third paragraph, the bottom line, word says "Spring", and should be "Sprint". MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ('AT ENDAR AS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes a. Plaxu~uig Comtnission Regular Meeting - October 3, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS None BUSINESS ITEMS PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINiJ'TES - OCTOBER 17, 2001 2. Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a Minor Design Review for two single-family homes, an infill project. He asked Community Development Technician Monika Hennings to review the project with the Commission. Communiry Development Techrucian Hem~uigs requested approval for the Minor Design Review of two single-family residences at 1621 & 1631 Parkway Avenue, between Avenues 9 and 10. She stated that the homes are approxunately 1600 square feet in size and that they will be constructed with materials and colors that will fit in with the existing neighborhood. She also stated that the Engineering Division did make a couple of corrections on the conditions. She indicated that on page 7 of 16, Condition No. 23 should read as follows "Dedicate a five foot wide strip of additional Right-of-way, along Avenue 10 to the Ciry prior to the issuance of Building permit". In addition, she stated that Condiuon No. 25 should read "Dedicate a five foot easement along Avenue 10 & Parkway Avenue for construcdon of utilities prior to issuance of building perxnit". Community Development Technician Hexu~ings furthermore stated that the project does meet all the necessary requirements of the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code and that she is recommending that the Plauning Comtnission adopt a resolution to approve the Minor Design Review for the construction of this project. Community Development Technician Hennings indicated that the applicant was not present at the meeting due to a prior comxnitment. Chainnan Wilsey requested that discussion to be brought back to the table for any comments from the Planning Conunissioners. Commissioner Nash stated that he was glad to see the use of infill in the area, and would like to see more infill projects in the City. Coxnmissioner Barnes referred to Condition No 10 and he indicated that he wants to know if the Engineer knows if there is sewer available or if it is a septic system. Commissioner Barnes continued to state that we have been tiyiug to get rid of septic systems in the City. He noted that if the sewer is not used, then the septic system should be shown on the plans. Community Development Director Brady indicated that there is sewer service in that area, and that this is a standard condition. Coiruxussioner Barnes then stated that the plans show a sewer point of connection. Cha~rr„an Wilsey stated that this is a standard condition and that we have had it for years Commissioner Matthies had no fiirther comments. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLJ'I'ES - OC,'I'OBER 17, 2001 Coixuiussioner Polk had two questions. He asked if the proposed homes are consistent with the sizes of the e~usting homes? Community Development Technician Heruiings indicated that they are. Then he asked whether the fencing is the new standards. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the existing fencing on the homes have wooden fences, but they are not at the new standards. He indicated that however the new wooden fences will be put in, will be required to be the new standards, which is more substantial. There were no fiu-ther comments by the Cominission. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY BARNES AND PASSED BY A 5-0 VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-44 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF T.AKF. ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING MINOR DESIGN REVIEW PROJECT OF TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES LOCATED AT 1621 & 1631 PARKWAY AVENUE (APN 363-113-018 & 019) WITH THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED CORRECTIONS TO CONDITIONS NO. 23 & 25. INFORMATIONAL STAFF COMMENTS Communitv Develooment Director commented on the followin~. • He Introduced Dana Porche' as the new Community Development Clerk, and advised the Comxnissioners that Communiry Development Technician Hennings will be now taking on some of the new projects, to help lighten the load of the other Planners. • He noted that the League of Californian Cities Conference wi71 be held sometime around the week of December 20`~, and that if anyone is interested on attending, to please let him know so that he can advise the City Clerk, in order for her to make the arrangements. • He indicated that the Mayor s Breakfast was held that morning and was quite successful. • He stated also that Canyon Hills will be having there Grand-Opeiung this upcoming weekend, and that the office will forward the information to the Coxrunissioners. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Conunissioner Matthies commented on the followine: • She indicated that there is a trash dumpster in the 401 alley that is fixll. It appears that there is no current service. She also stated that there is an abandoned trailer, that has no PAGE 4- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLJTES - OG"TOBER 17, 2001 siding or end wluch is located on Lakeshore. Mr. Brady indicated that the trailer has already been moved, as it was not there when he drove by today. • She also stated that looking from Railroad Canyon Rd, towards Tuscany Hills, the backs of the homes looks plain and flat. She felt that is something to keep in mind on any future upcoming projects. Commissioner Bames commented on the followine: • He congratulated Community Development Technician Hennings on the good job that she did this evening and also welcomes Community Development Clerk Typist Porche'. Commissioner Polk commented on the followine: He also congratulated Communiry Development Technician Heunings on her promotion, and that she did any excellent job this evening. Comnussioner Nash commented on the followine: • He welcomed Communiry Development Clerk Typist Porche'. • He asked if Forecast Homes had increased the levels of the lots. He asked for the status. Community Development Director Brady indicated that at the last Ciry Council meeting quite a few residents did express their concern. He indicated that there w~71 be an upcoming meeting to be held for the residents to express their concerns. He indicated that Forecast Homes has met with the property homeowners previously, and that maybe some of the property levels can be brought down in height. Coinmissioner Nash noted that there is fencing issue as well. He stated that he hopes that Forecast Homes does in fact work with all these issues. Chairnian Wilsev commented on the following; • He concurred with all of the above comments. • He also stated that he and Commissioner Barnes attended the Mayors Breakfast today, and that he felt that is was very positive, and a well attended meeting. He noted that everyone seemed to enjoy the atmosphere, and informazion. PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLITES - OCTOBER 17, 2001 ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY BARNES, SECONDED BY NASH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 7:20 PM. G~~ ~%~~ -~~~~%'~ ~j G AL WILSEY, CI-IAIRMAN Respectfiilly Submitted ~C~u.~z ~ ~ , ~, > Dana C. Porche' Community Development Cierk ATTEST: ~ G ~obert A. Brady, Secretary~ the Planning Comnussion ~ MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CA 92530 WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 2001 The Regular Plazniing Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Churmau Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Polk. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BARNES Also present were Community Development Director Brady, Deputy City Attorney Miles, City Engineer O'Donnell, Associate Planner Miller, Community Development Technician Hennings, and Community Development Clerk/ Typist Porche'. PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY NASH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDARAS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes of Plam~iug Conmussion Regular Meeting - October 17, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS Variance No. 2001-06 for Reduction of Lot Size & setbacks. and Design Review for Residential ~roject No. 2001-07. Chairman Wilsey opened the Public Hearing at 7:01. Communiry Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for a Design Review and a Variance for a development of homes that are located on Lakeshore and Lake Street. He asked that Associate Planner Miller review the request with the Planning Comnussion. PAGE 2- PLANNING CONIMISSION MINUfES - NOVEMBER 7, 2001 Associate Planner Miller stated that this project was formerly known as the Lewis Homes Tract and was originally approved in 1989. The project site is 183 acres and is subdivided into 891ots. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the design review is for the approval of a model home comples, the site plans, elevations, floor plans, fencing plans and preluiunary landscape plans. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the applicant is proposing to construct three plans with three elevations each, and all the plans are two stories. She noted that Plan one is 1,953 square feet, plan two is 2,090 square feet and plan three is 2,330 square feet. Associate Planner Miller also indicated that there will be three different architectural designs. They are Spanish, Cottage, and Traditional styles. Associate Planner Miller stated that the project will be developed into six phases. Associate Planner Miller stated that a variance was required due to the grading constraints that caused an addirional five feet of right-of-way dedication and this dedication reduced the size of the lots along Mountain Street. Associate Planner Miller indicated that a Home Owuers Association (HOA) will be necessary due to the landscape slopes off site and therefore staff found the variance was warranted due to the e~usting physical constraints of the project. Associate Planner Miller also indicated that staff found that the single family residential project is considered to be a legal non-confor•ming use since it was approved in 1989. Furthermore Associate Planner Miller felt that even though that was the case, it substanrially meets the requirements of the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code (LEMC) today. Associate Planner Miller indicated that staff is recommending that the Plamiuig Cominission approve Variance No. 2001-06 and Design Review of R 2001-07 based on the Findings and E~ibits and subjea to the Condiuons of Approval. Plam~uig Coxrunission Cha;,-r„an Wilsey asked the applicant if they have read and agree with the Condiuons of Approval. Ms. Tem Kelly, representing Richmond American Homes, 2191 Street, Norco, CA 92860 concurs with all of the Conditions with the exception of # 39. Ms. Kelly expressed some concerns with Condition Nuxnber 39 and requested that the traffic control plan be prepared and implemented prior to occupancy. Chairman Wilsey asked if there is anyone else who has any questions or comments. Mr. Bill Frown, 3360 Drifiwood Lane, Lake Elsinore, CA 92530 states that there is now a slope in the back, that he has been maintaining since Lewis Homes relinquish itself from the project back in 1989. Mr. Frown stated that no one else has maintained the slope since then, and he has gone ahead and planted several Peppertrees on the slope. His question was "Who will now be maintaining the slopes"?. Mr. Frown also indicated that there is now a chain link fence back there, and would like to know if this is going to be replaced with a wrought iron fence. Furthermore, Mr. Frown indicated that there is a retaixung wall in the back of his house that is approxixnately five to six feet in height, and behind that is the slope. Mr. Frown wanted to know if the retaiuiug wall will be extended. Associate Planner Miller commented that there will be a Home Owners Association and that they will be responsible for maintauung the slopes along that area. Associate Planner Miller also indicated that wrought iron fencing would be placed on top of the retauiing wall, and that the slope will be planted and maintained by the Home Owners Association. She also indicated that there will be a block wall on top of the slope as well. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - NOVEMBER 7, 2001 Mr. Frown expressed his concerns on who would be overseeing the mauitenance of the slope. Associated Planner Miller stated that if there should ever be an issue on the maintenance of the slope that he should contact the City of Lake Elsinore as this is part of the Condiuons of Approval. Cha;rman Wilsey asked if there are any further questions. A1 Loria, 3352 Driftwood Avenue, Lake Elsinore, CA 92530 was concerned with the Peppertrees that are planted. Mr. Loria wanted to know if there is any height restriction, and also if they were going to be removed. Associate Planner Miller indicated that there are landscape plans that has been submitted and reviewed by the Landscape Architect Inspector. Associate Planner Miller could not indicate if the inspector was aware of the trees, however she would mention this to the inspector to see if it is possible to leave the Peppertrees where they are. Mr. Loria indicated that the Peppertrees were located on his property. Associate Planner Miller stated that since the trees were on his properry, that they would not be removed. Mr. Frown questioned that the Peppertrees that were planted on the slope, where planted for privacy, and wanted to know if they were going to stay to protect his privacy in his backyard. Community Development Director Brady indicated that the City would try to work with the applicant to see if it is something that they could keep out there as part of the landscape. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the Ciry did in faa receive the landscape plans and that they have in fact been approved already. Communiry Development Director Brady questioned as to whether the plans included any trees. Associate Planner Miller could not remember if the vees were included on the plans. Churman Wilsey requested Ciry Engineer O'Donnell to address the concern with Condirion No. 39. Ciry Engineer O'Donnell indicated that he had discussed it with the applicant and it was agreed to re-word Condition No. 39 to read "The traffic mntYnl plan sball 1~ mm[~leted and tlae left tum pxketmusr l~ installe~p~zor to tlae fzrst c~2ifuate of o~ny. „ Cha;rma„ Wiisey requested any comments from the Commissioners. Comcnission Matthies had expressed her concerns with the rear of the houses, which faced Lake Street. Her concerns were that the rear of these houses looks very plain. She indicated that she would like to see some type of wixidow dressing or some type of changes so that we would not see just wall. Associate Planner Miller addressed that issue, and indicated that the applicant will be placing shutters or some other type of treatment. This will be done on all the house where the rear faces the street. Commissioner Matthies said that the front of the homes were beautiful, however she would like to see the backs of the homes look beautifixl as well. Chairxnan Wilsey recommended that we adopt a Condition to include this request PAGE 4- PLANNING COMIvIISSION MINUTES - NOVEMBER 7, 2001 Community Development Director Brady indicated that a Condition could be adopted use to address the rear facing homes that were visible to the public right-of-way shall require treatments comparible with the design of the front elevation of the homes. Comtnissioner Matthies concurred to this recommendation. Cha;rn,ar, Wilsey suggested that we revise Condition 18 to include an addendum. Communiry Development Director Brady concurred with this recommendarion. Comnussioner Matthies had no further questions. Comcnissioner Polk ~ inquired City Engineer O'Donnell as to when would the traffic signal that is anticipated on Mountain Avenue will be scheduled for complerion. City En~neer O'Donnell indicated that currently there is no date for completion scheduled as there still isn't any deternunation of how much traffic there will be at Mountain Avenue. Cominissioner Polk ~ inquired City Engineer O'Donnell if the traffic signal at Mountain would be completed prior to the Tract Homes. City Engineer O'Donnell indicated that the signal will not be completed before the Tract Homes, however there would be a left turn lane. Comcnissioner Polk continued to state that he does recommend a traffic signal there as this area has a high speed volume with cars coming down the hill off of Lake Street towards the school in that area. Coinmissioner Polk also inquired about the area adjacent to Grand Avenue and Lakeshore. Drive Cominissioner Polk wanted to completion of know if this area would be landscaped. Communiry Development Director Brady stated that the City does not own this area, and it is unkiiown what will be developed on this properry. Community Development Director continued to state that this area would be landscaped so that it would match the other side, if the City owned any part of this properry. Churman Wilsey quesaoned Community Development Director Brady as to who possibly owns the property and the size of the land. Communiry Development Director Brady wasn't sure on who owns the land, nor the size. Chau-n~ui Wilsey wanted to know if these properties are zoned residential or commercial. Community Development Director Brady stated that they are residential. Commissioner Polk also noted that the lots are also smaller, and also stated that he is glad that the fences on this project have the new standards. Conmussioner Polk felt that this is a good project. Coxnmissioner Polk had no further questions. Commissioner Nash concurred. Coxrunissioner Nash stated that he would like to see staff work with Mr. Frown on mauitauiuig the slope and letting Mr. Frown keep the trees on the PAGE 5- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUTES - NOVEMBER 7, 2001 slope area. Commissioner Nash questioned if the Home Owners Association will have dues implemented. Associate Planner Miller indicated that there would be fees. Comcnission Nash also wanted to know if there would be a comnuttee who would oversee this association. Associate Planner Miller requested the applicant to answer that question. Ms. Tem Kelly stated that there would be Home Owners Association fees due on a monthly basis and that there would be a cominittee associated with this Home Owners Association. Commissioner Nash had no further comments. Chunnan Wilsey asked City Engineer O'Donnell about the grading of the slope as to why it was not an option to grade that out. City Engineer O'Donnell indicated that at one time there were utilities easement in that area and that the street could not be extended as much as they wanted to, which limited their options on what they could do on the opposite side of the street. Cha~r,»a„ Wilsey had no fui•ther comments. There were no furtlier comments by the ComTnission. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-45 BY TITLE ONLY APPROVING VARIANCE NO. 2001-06 AND RESOLUTION NO. 2001-46 BY TITLE ONLY, APPROVING MINOR DESIGN REVIEW R 2001-07 WITH THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED CORRECTIONS TO CONDITIONS NO. 39 & 18A. BUSINESS ITEMS 2. Minor Desi~ Review of a Single Faiiuly Residence with a Second Unit attached located at 17757 Sunn,~oe Avenue APN 275-225-029 Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a Single Family Homes, with a second unit in the County Club Heights area. Associate Planner Miller stated that this is located on 23 acres of land in a triangle shape hillside lot. The azchitect chose a tri-level design that is 2,239 square feet in the uiain resident, and 823 square foot second unit, with a total of 3,062 square feet. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the house has a 1,075 square foot aaached three-car garage. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the architect chose a Spanish style design, with a tile roof, arches, and wrought-iron features. Staff found that the design and colors meets the requirements of the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code and recommends the Plazmiug Commission adopt a resolution to approve the Minor Design Review for the construction of this project, located at 17757 Sunnyslope Avenue. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the applicant was here for any questions. PAGE 6- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINUTES - NOVEMBER 7, 2001 Chairman Wilsey asked the applicant if he had read the Conditional of Approval. Applicant Tom Steeno 9111 8`~ Avenue, Hesperia CA agrees with the Conditions of Approval, and had no comments. Chairxnan Wilsey requested that discussion be brought back to the table for any comments from the Plamnng Cominission. Commissioner Nash questioned the Application if a perculation test had been done. Applicant Tom Steeno stated yes. Commissioner Nash stated that the project looks beautiful and had no further comments. Coxnmissioner Polk stated that the project looked beautifixl, however did have one question for the City En~neer O'Donnell regarding Condition 23 of page 7of 17. Coinmissioner Polk wanted to know if the fees would cover the future off-site improvements. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that the fees would cover the curb, pavement and some sidewalk paved area. The area has a forry-foot right-of-way, and the area is only driveable along the slope. Commissioner Polk had no fiuther comments. Commissioner Matthies concurred with the other Coinmissioners on the size and design of the project. Commissioner Matthies stated that this would be somewhat of a challenge to do this project, but beautiful. Coxrunissioner Matthies had no further comments. Chunnan Wilsey commented on Condition Number 10, standard condition with regards to sepuc and sewer, the availabiliry, and being within 200 feet. Chairn,a., Wilsey stated that he did not feel that there is sewer system for this area. Pla~uiing Associate Miller indicated that this area does not have a sewer system and that this is a standard condition. Commissioner Nash stated that this is why he questioned the applicant if a perc test had been completed. Cha;rmar, Wilsey asked staff if we had dropped that requirement, and that we are just omitting it in the condition. Associate Planner Miller stated that this had been dropped out of the condition. Community Development Brady said that we can go back and look to see if at some point we had the sewer condition in there, and put back in the condition as part as a standard condirion. PAGE 7- PLANNING COMNIISSION MINL~I'ES - NOVEMBER 7, 2001 Chairinui Wilsey indicated that we should only do this if it is necessary Chairxnan Wilsey had no fiirther comments. There were no further comments by the Conuiussion. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY A 4-0 VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-47 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING MINOR DESIGN REVIEW FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE LOCATED AT 17757 SUNNYSLOPE AVENUE -APN 375-225-029 INFORMATIONAL STAFF COMMENTS Community Develooment Director commented on the following. • He indicated that the Grand Prix would be this weekend as well as the EDC luncheon will be held on November 8th. • He indicated that a tentatively scheduled a council orientation meeting that the Plaunuig Coimnission will be invited to attend. The meeting may be around the 20`h of this month at Ciry Hall upstairs in the conference rooms. • He discussed the Basketball hoop issue with Code Enforcement and there will be posters put up in the areas where the Basketballs hoops are a concern. He will check back with Code Enforcement to see if the posters have been distributed yet. • He indicated that the Pluuiuig Cominission meeting of November 21~` has been changed to the 20~' due to the Thanks~ving Holiday. • He also indicated that there will be the 5k run on the 17`h of this month at the I,evee at 7:00 am PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Cominissioner Matthies commented on the followine: • She thanked Staff for having the dumpster empried in the Alley. • She thanked Staff for the revision of condition 18A. • She commented on the Motocross this weekend. • She also advised that there will be a melodrama this weekend at the Elsinore Women's Club that will be lots of fun to see. • She also indicated that there will be a parade on the 17`h of November at 10:00 AM • She advised staff that the students at her school are very excited to see that the Skatepark is quickly nearing completion. PAGE 8- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - NOVEMBER 7, 2001 Commissioner Polk commented on the followine: • He thanked the Staff for having the trailer removed that was abandoned on Lakeshore. • He advised the Staff and Comcnission that City ID cards do not apply to the Plaiuiuig Comnussion • He commented that there still an issue with the Basketball hoops being in the way of pedestrians walking area. • He also wanted to know the status of the McVicker Firestation. Coinmissioner Nash commented on the followine: • He questioned the Chainlink fences, whether there is an ordinance. He requested a call to remind the Commissioner of the meeting that will take place on Tuesday November 20`~ instead of Wednesday, November 21~`. Chainnui Wilsey commented on the followins~ • He is concerned with abandoned vehicles that are continually being disposed of on Lincoln and Joy Street. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY WILSEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 7:45 PM. Respectfully Submitted ~~.~1~ ~ ~~~Q ~ Dana C. Porche' Community Development Clerk ATTEST: MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAI~E ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAI~E ELSINORE, CA 92530 TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2001 The Regular Plaiuiuig Comtnission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Chairman Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Nash. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, MATTHIES, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BARNES Also present were Community Development Director Brady, Deputy City Attorney Miles, City Engineer O'Donnell, Associate Planner Miller, and Community Development Gerk/ Typist Porche'. PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR Comtnissioner Polk indicated that the minutes of November 7, 2001 page 4 of 9 paragraph seven the word "questioned," he would prefer "inquired." MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes of Plamiing Commission Regular Meeting - November 7, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS None BUSINESS ITEMS Design Review for Residential Project No. 2001-08 PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLITES - NOVEMBER 21, 2001 Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for a Design Review for the development of a Residential Project consisting of 1021ots that will complete a partially constructed residential project. He asked that Associate Planner Miller review the request with the Plamiiug Commission. Associate Planner Miller stated that this projea is a partially constructed residential project, which has been previously owned by two prior developers. She indicated that MacLeod Development proposed to construct four two-story plans on the 172-1ot subdivision. She noted that four models and forty productions units were built before the applicant abandoned the project. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the second Developer was Shannon Development and they took over the project in 1994. Associates Planner Miller stated that the project was renamed "Splash" and new production units were proposed for the 127 lots that remained. Associate Planner Miller mdicated that four models and 21 production units were constructed before this developer also abandoned the project. She commented that the remaining 102 lots have been graded and street improvements have been completed. She stated that the tract has sat vacant for several years since it's abandonment. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the current project will be called "Pacific Splash", and will be developed in nine phases. She stated that the first phase would consist of the Model Home Complex and construction of 16 productions units to be located on Windward Way. Associate Planner Miller commented that the proposed plans range in size from 1,625 square feet to 2,505 square feet. She indicated that plan three changed from 2,365 square feet to 2,505 square feet as noted in the Staff Report. She indicated that since there were two previous projects and other developments surrounding the project, several fencing materials e~cist. Associate Planner Miller stated that staff is requesting a Fencing plan showing the e~sting fencing and proposed fencing and will work with the applicant on any fencing issues. She stated that staff finds the proposed project's production units are sinvlar in size and design of the existing homes. Associate Planner Miller indicated that the proposed project substantially meets the requirements of the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code and recommends that the Plaiuuiig Coxntnission adopt a Resolution and approve Residential Project No. 2001-08, based on the Finding, Exhibits, and subject to the Conditions of Approval. Associate Planner Miller expressed that the applicant was here to answer any questions that the public or Coixunission may have. Chairman Wilsey requested that the Applicant approach the table, and asked the applicant if he had read and agreed with the Conditions. Applicant Nelson Chung, 1000 Dove Street, Suite 100, Newport Beach, CA. thanked the Commission for the privilege to work in the City of Lake Elsinore. Mr. Chung commented that he did read and agreed with the Condirions. Comnussioner Nash asked the applicant for the expected completion date PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLI'I'ES - NOVEMBER 21, 2001 Applicant Mr. Chung indicated that the models would be the first phase followed the construcuon of by 16 units in the ne~rt sis weeks. Mr. Chung indicated that their seemed to be some concerns with the wall that was previously put up by the prior contractors. Cominissioner Nash concurred with Mr. Chung's concerns regarding the wall issue. Coimnissioner Nash stated that the models look great and was glad to see that something is being developed in that area. Cominissioner Matthies thanked the staff for adding the Condition relating to the homes developed that faced the public's right-of-way. Coininissioner Matthies explained to the public exactly what this Condiuon entailed. Commissioner Matthies also concurred with Conunissioner Nash on how nice this project will look. Comcnission Polk concun-ed with Comxnissioners Nash and Matthies, and was excited to see that something is being developed in this area, and liked the looks of the project. Chairman Wilsey requested that if the public had any questions to approach the table. Resident Dale Buckeridge, 16037 Via Sola, Lake Elsinore stated that he has many concerns with this project. He stated that the storm draui is above ground and can cause excess flooding onto Grand Avenue. Mr. Buckeridge indicated that there is rebar sticking straight up from the ground and it is very dangerous for anyone walking around in that area. Mr. Buckeridge stated that the lot is full of dead rodents. Mr. Buckeridge also expressed his concerns with water trucks being used, and dust being stirred up. Resident Buckeridge stated that he has addressed his concems in the past with the City and he had not received a response. Resident Kenneth Boline, 33095 Via Oeste, Lake Elsinore expressed his concerns with a block wall that stands two to three feet in height. Mr. Boline feels that the footings are not sufficient. He stated he would like to see the wall replaced using new footings and slump stone instead of concrete block. Resident David Walsh commented that there is an unsighdy billboard behind his house and wanted to know if the billboard would reinun. Community Development Director Brady explained to Mr. Walsh that the billboard is in the County, and out of the City's jurisdiction. Mr. Walsh continued to state that there are many dirt bikes in the area that are stirring up dust and making too much noise. He requested that this area be temporarily fenced off to prevent the use of motorcycles Resident Shirley Ramshaw of Lake Elsinore stated that the area where the new homes are to be buik is a dangerous area. She indicated that she sees young kids in the area doing offensive things. Resident Chuck Ramshaw of Lake Elsinore wanted to know what the prices would be for these homes. PAGE 4- PLANNING CONIMISSION MINLJTES - NOVEMBER 21, 2001 Applicant Mr. Chung stated that the price range of these homes would be in the range of $170,000.00 to $200,000.00 Resident Ken Boline of Lake Elsinore indicated that this area has many problems, and wanted to know what type of securiry would be enforced. Community Development Director Brady commented that the Ciry would look into the fencing issues by possibly doing a survey on a lot by lot basis. Associate Planner Miller suggested that Condition 17 be revised to add "Slump Stone Wall." Communiry Development Brady indicated that the lots have already been graded, and as for the storm drain, that the Ciry can take a look at that. City Engineer O'Donnell indicated that there was a hydrology study in that area. Cha;,~„an Wilsey asked staff if we could have someone from the City look into it. Community Development Director Brady stated that the e~sting storm drain could have debris that is causing backflow and that the Ciry could possibly have the storm drain cleaned out. City Engineer O'Donnell stated that he would request the developer to look into this as well Community Development Director Brady commented on the questions that were raised by the residents earlier. He stated that the City would look into the dirt bike issues, possibly placing temporary fencing in that area. He stated that the concerns with the area behind the nearby market are in the Counry, and would he like the County's Code Enforcement Department be notified of this problem. Cha;,-r„an Wilsey requested the discussion to be brought back to the table for any comments from the Plauning Coxnxnissioners. Cominissioner Matthies inquired about the graffiti convol. Associate Planner Miller indicated that graffiti control was not added to the Conditions, however that this could be added to Condirion 17 and to use the standard wording. Cominissioner Polk concurred with the residents on the dirt bikes in the area. Comaussioner Nash inquired about what other projects would be proposed for that area. Chairmui Wilsey suggested that the residents in the project area get together with other fellow neighbors and discuss concerns with the developer as they arise. Chairman Wilsey suggested that the applicant hand out business cazds to the residents. PAGE 5- PLANNING COMIvIISSION MINUTES - NOVEMBER 21, 2001 Commissioner Matthies also stated that she was glad to see the participation of the residences that had concerns, and commented on how good it was to see that the applicant is working with the residents in the area to assure safety Churinau Wilsey indicated that there were no further comments from the Commission, and recommended the reading of the resolution. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-48 BY TITLE ONLY DESIGN REVIEW FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECT NO. 2001-08 FOR PACIFIC COMMUNITIES-TRACT MAP NO. 19358 INCLUDING THE APPROVING PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED CORRECTIONS TO CONDITION N0.17 INFORMATIONAL STAFF COMMENTS Community Development Director commented on the following. • He indicated that orientation for the newly appointed Council Members was held earlier in the day and will be sworn in on November 27, 2001. • He commented on the 5K and the Unity in the Community Parade run that was held the previous weekend and was a great success • He noted Cruise Night is this Saturday, November 24`h • He indicated that December 7`~' is the date of the Winterfest. Santa Claus will be there. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Comcnissioner Nash commented on the followine: • He thanked all the residents for taking the time to come to the Plaiuiuig Comnussion meeting and expressing their concerns. • He thanked Staff for the great job on the project. Cominissioner Polk commented on the followine: He thanked the residents for coming to the meeting. He suggested that should the residents in the area of the new project that have any concems with the County, that they should contact the Counry, as the County would want to hear from them. PAGE 6- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLITES - NOVEMBER 21, 2001 Cominissioner Matthies commented on the followinQ: • She concurred with the other Cominissioners and had no further coinments Chairman Wilsey commented on the followin~ • He concurred with the other Commissioners and had no further comments ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING CONIMISSION MEETING AT 7:54 PM. Respectfully Submitted ~~r~ ~~~~. Dana C. Porche' Communiry Development Clerk ATTEST: Robert A. Brady, Secre~to the P12iuiuig Commission MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAI~E ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAI~E ELSINORE, CA 92530 TUESDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2001 The Regular Plauning Commission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Chairman Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Polk. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, POLK, AND NASH ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BARNES AND MATTHIES Also present were Community Development Director Brady, Deputy City Attorney Miles, Senior Planner Morita, Community Development Technician Hennings and Community Development Clerk Typist Porche'. PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes of Planning Corcunission Regular Meeting - November 20, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS None. BUSINESS ITEMS Design Review for Residenrial Project No. 2001-09. PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUfES - DECEMBER 05, 2001 Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for a Design Review for the development of a Residential Project consisting of 81 production units, including a three-plan model home complex within the Canyon Hills specific area. He requested that Senior Planner Morita review the request with the Planniug Coinmission. Senior Planner Morita indicated that this project is being presented before the Cominission to approve three items. He stated that the first item is the building elevations far those homes to be constructed on 81 lots that were subdivided by Tract Map No. 29568 and 23848. He indicated that the second item is the plotting plan for the first phase of the construction and the third item is the conceptual landscape plan and site plan for the three- plan model home complex. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the land holding for Richmond American are split into two separate areas. He commented that one of the areas encompasses about twelve and half acres, which was subdivided by Tract Map No. 29568 and is located near the northern portion of the Canyon Hills area. Senior Planner Morita stated that the other area is approximately nine acres which was subdivided by Tract Map No. 23848 and is located near Poppy Way and Holly Shocks Street. He indicated that Richmond American is offering three plans ranging in size from about 2500 square feet to just under 3000 square feet. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the model home complex would be located on four lots, within an area north of Canyon Hills Parkway, near Sprucewood. He stated that the area has a nice street scene. Senior Planner Morita stated that Staff supports the application. He indicated that the project is consistent with the requirements of the Canyon Hills Specific Plan and Municipal Code. He stated that the project is well designed and has high qualiry standards that have been established by the Plauning Coixunission in the past. Senior Planner indicated that he recommends that the Plauning Conunission adopt a resolution approving Design Review No. 2001-09, Minor Design Review of the proposed 81 production units including a three-model home complex based on the attached findings and subject to the Condition of Approval. Chairman Wilsey requested that the Applicant approach the table, and asked the applicant if she had read and agreed with the Conditions. Applicant Jarnne Garder, Richmond American Homes, 104 West Grand Avenue, Suite A, Escondido, CA. stated that she did read and agreed with the Conditions of Approval. Churmui Wilsey requested the Conunissioners if they have any questions for the Applicant. Cominissioner Polk stated that he liked the project, and stated that this project has lots of floor space. Commissioner Polk commented that he noticed family rooms are becoming larger. Applicant Gardner justified this comment, and stated that more and more plans are showing larger family rooms. Comxnissioner Polk stated that he noticed more options to choose from as well. Comxnission Nash requested clarification on Tract Map No. 29568, lot 19. He wanted to know if this is an actual lot. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - DECEMBER O5, 2001 Applicant Gardner indicated that true lot 19 is located across from the models, and that the area that Commissioner Nash is commenting on, is part of another APN and unbuildable. Cominissioner Nash indicated that staff has done a great job, and had no fiirther comments. Chairman V(I'ilsey commented on the enhancements of the planter boxes, and suggested that they could possibly be enhanced slightly more to give it a better effect. Chairman Wilsey also stated that he felt that Condition nuxnber sis was a bit vague. Communiry Development Director Brady stated that this is a general Condition that Staff was tiyuig to create, and that this Condition could be applied to other Tracts and projects that come through, and that each one varies to each location. He indicated that Staff is willing to work with the applicant on a case by case basis. Community Development Director Brady stated that this Condition could give us flexibility. Commuuity Development Director Brady requested that Senior Planner Morita comment on this Condition. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the Canyon Hills area has basically two different types of architectural design elevations. He stated that one is a standard elevation, which are not in the public view. He also stated that the applicant is required to submit enhanced elevations that are to be in the public view. Senior Planner requested that the applicant comment on this fiuther. Applicant Gardner clarified that the color variation around the windows will be white as shown, however this could be changed to a darker color if the colors did not enhance the windows. She indicated that they had a color consultant choose these colors. Chairman Wilsey understood and stated that the applicant and Staff could work this out. Chairman Wilsey had no fiu-ther comments and recommended the reading of the resolution. MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-49 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF I,AKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING RESIDENTAIL PROJECT NO. 2001-09 WHICH ENTAILS MINOR DESIGN REVIEW OF A THREE-UNIT MODEL HOMES COMPLEX AND PRODUCTION UNITS WHICH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED THROUGHOUT 81 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTAIL LOTS WITHIN TRACT MAI' NOS. 29568 AND 23848-5. INFORMATIONAL STAFF COMMENTS Communitv Development Director commented on the following. PAGE 4- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLITES - DECEMBER 05, 2001 • He commented on the League of California City's Conference, and wanted to know if any of the Coxrunissioners would be attending. • He also noted that there is a large amount of residenrial activity, especially in the Canyon Hills area. He stated that we have already issued over 284 permits for single-family homes, and that it is expected to reach over 300 permits this year. He stated that these projects are keeping the Plam~iug and Engineering division busy. • He indicated that December 7`~ is the date of the Winterfest. Santa Claus will be there. • He also noted that there would be a study session/public workshop held on December 19, before the Pluming Cominission meeting to discuss the Housing Element of the Ciry. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Commissioner Nash commented on the followine: • He commented on the Study Session that is to be held on the 19`h and suggested that the Study Session be held after the Holidays. Community Development Director Brady indicated that we have a specific time frame that we have to adopt the Housing Element of the General Plan. Cominissioner Polk commented on the followine: He commented on the Condition number 9, where it discusses where the trashcans are be located, and when they are to be brought back in. He indicated that he was concerned that the residences are leaving their trashcans out, when they should be bringing them back in at a certain time. Communiry Development Director Brady stated that there is a requirement in the code that addresses when the trashcans can be put out and when they are to be brought back in. He commented on the Richmond American Tract that is currently being buik across from Mountain Avenue. His concern is the traffic on Lake Street, and inquired about a traffic signal in that area. He inquired as when staff might have a closure date. Community Development Director Brady commented that a traffic signal might be anticipated at that location however in order to put a signal in, it typically needs to meet the warrants that require that signal to be in. Richmond American would be required to pay a portion for that. Cominissioner Polk noted that Terra Cotta Middle School is in that location, and feels that a traffic signal would be beneficial in that area, due to the large amount of traffic, and the high speeds. He also thanked Staff for having Code Enforcement handle the Basketball hoop situation in the area of his home. Chairman Wilsev commented on the followin~ PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - DECEMBER 05, 2001 • He suggested that the Plamiuig Cocrunission have a Study Session since it has been over twentyyears since the Ramsgate project was developed. • He reqyested as to ze~tl~r ar not a~rything is canmg to the City ze~ith s~er'cfic plan alterations ar derzlo[xraau agra~nou clxazges. C~vraarzty Deulojnnou Dirazars asked as to ze~ther tlaere i.s a Pm1~~ bz particular thatzeas inq~agala~uG • He c~rnn~u~' on th~e Rcmzsgate proja•t in particz~lar, zzetming infomzazion as to if a mrdy sesszarc ~ct/d lx taking place shortly, as it has l~i ara- tzeerny ynars siaue tl~ last agra~nou zeas c~nnpleted He ind'uatal that tlae Plarming Comrtissiwz as za,~ll as Staff has had a trorratdoiu amounx of edycation svuz tl,~az • He stat~l that he ronanEers t~eottyypars back wl.~z the Mayar of Lake Elsinore z¢as ca~vnaubzg tbat a builderzeernla~ to der~lo[i laorr,~ irt tlae Ramsgate area. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY NASH AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 7:40 PM. Respectfully Submitted dJ~Li',LCG~ GrY'~J~'~ ~ Dana C. Porche' Community Development Clerk ATTEST: 'Ro~bert A. Brady, Secretary~o the Plauning Commission MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAI~E ELSINORE, CA 92530 TUESDAY, DECEMBER 19, 2001 The Regular Plaunuig Comtnission Meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Chairnian Wilsey. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Matthies. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: WILSEY, POLK, AND MATTHIES ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BARNES AND NASH (arrived at 7:06 PM) Also present were Community Development Director Brady, Planning Manager Villa Deputy City Attorney Miles, Senior Planner Morita, and Community Development Technician Hennings. PUBLIC COMMENTS None. CONSENT CALENDAR Chairman Wilsey commented on the minutes of Planning Coininission Meeting December 5, 2001. He requested to insert his comments regarding the Raxnsgate project under Comcnissioners Comments. MOVED BY POLK, SECONDED BY MATTHIES AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDARAS PRESENTED. 1. Minutes of Plauniug Cominission Regular Meeting - December 5, 2001 PUBLIC HEARINGS None. BUSINESS ITEMS Design Review for Residential Project No. 2001-11. PAGE 2- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLITES - DECEMBER 19, 2001 Community Development Director Brady indicated that this is a request for a Design Review for the development of a Residential Project in the consisting of 96 production units within the Canyon Hills specific area. He requested that Senior Planner Morita review the request with the Plamiiug Commission. Senior Planner Morita indicated that this project is being presented before the Coixunission to approve three items. He indicated that the first item is the building elevations for the homes constructed on 96 lots that were sub-divided previously by Tract Map 23848. He stated that the second item is the plotting for the first phase of construction and third is for the conceptual of the landscaping plan and site plan for the three-plan model home complex. Senior Planner Morita indicated that the land holdings for Capitol Pacific are located on forty-four acres within the central portion of the Canyon Hills area, west of Lost Road and off of Cedar Hill Lane. He stated that in terxns of the design of the homes, that Capitol Pacific is offering four different plans, ranging in size from 2,400 square feet to about 3,100 square feet. He stated that in addition the applicant is also proposing a model home complex off of Cedar Hill and Lost Road, which will be fully paved and landscaped. Senior Planner Morita commented that Staff enjoys working with the applicant and indicated that they do good work. He stated that Staff supports the application. He indicated that the project is consistent with the Canyon Hills specific plan and municipal code, and believes that the project is well designed and is consistent with the high quality. of the over all Canyon Hills area. Senior Planner Morita recommends that the Plazmiug Commission adopt a resolution approving Design Review No. 2001-11, Minor Design Review of the proposed 96 production units including a model home complex based on the attached findings and subject to the Condition of Approval. Chairman Wilsey requested that the Applicant approach the table, and introduce lumself. Applicant Scott Coaler with Capitol Pacific Homes, in Newport Beach and Corona CA. Chairman Wilsey asked the applicant if he had read and agreed with the Conditions, and had any quesdons. Applicant Coaler agreed to the Conditions, and had no questions. Commissioner Nash joined the meeting at 7:06 PM. Chairman Wilsey requested the Comcnissioners if they had any questions. Commissioner Matthies commented on the deck and patio options. She wanted to make sure that the applicant is aware of Condition No. 6 and has agreed to this. Applicant Coaler indicated that he read and understood Condition No. 6 and agreed with it Cominissioner Matthies had no further questions. PAGE 3- PLANNING COMMISSION MINLJTES - DECEMBER 19, 2001 Dave Kent with KGTY Architects approached the table. He wanted to address the enhancements of the homes, which faces the public right-of-way. Comcnissioner Matthies thanked Dave Kent for his concern. Comcnission Polk stated that he liked the designs of the project and expressed that Staff did a good job. Coininissioner Polk asked Senior Planner Morita as to what is the percentage of the buildout in Cottonwood Hills. Senior Planner Morita indicated that Capitol Pacific is the fifth out of five builders that have come forward. He clarified that a total of the five builders are in the first phase in the overall specific plan area. He indicated that in the phase two, there would be adjustments made in terms of what was originally approved by the City in the early 1990's. He indicated that Pardee Homes, who is a master developer, will be resubmitting Tract Maps and an amendment to the specific plan to address this. He indicated that we do not have a timeline for the second phase. Senior Planner Morita speculated that the timeline for phase one could take around two years. Applicant Coaler agreed with this timeline. ComTnissioner Polk had no further questions. Commission Nash indicated that he liked the designs of the project. Conuiussioner Nash asked the Staff if there is any anticipation as to whether there is going to any plans for single story homes in this area the near future. Architect Designer Mr. Kent indicated that single story homes would be a target product for this area, however he believes that this area will have a high child count which would require a higher bedroom count resulting in two story homes. Senior Planner Morita commented that some of the other builders are proposing single story homes in that area. Comcnissioner Nash understood and indicated that he liked the design of the project and had no fiirther questions. Chau-man Wilsey commented on page 19 of the Staff report where it is showing the different elevations and shows the exact garage doors on every plan. He asked Staff if there would be any variation to the garage doors, or would they all be the same design? Architect Dave Kent did indicate that there would be a variation between plans. Chairman Wilsey had no further questions and recommended the reading of the resolution. MOVED BY MATTHIES, SECONDED BY NASH AND PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. PAGE 4- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - DECEMBER 19, 2001 2001-50 BY TITLE ONLY, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING RESIDENTAIL PROJECT NO. 2001-11 WHICH ENTAILS MINOR DESIGN REVIEW OF A THREE-UNIT MODEL HOMES COMPLEX AND PRODUCTION UNITS WHICH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED THROUGHOUT 96 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTAIL LOTS WITHIN TRACT MAI' NO. 23848-5 AND 9. INFORMATIONAL STAFF COMMENTS Community Development Director commented on the following. • He commented on cruise night, downtown on Saturday December 22°a • He commended that the ne~ct Plauniug Cominission Meeting is scheduled to take place on January 2"d 2002, however at this time there isn't anything scheduled on the Agenda. He indicated that should the meeting be cancelled, that Staff would make the Pluuiing Comnussioners aware of this change. • He also expressed to everyone a Happy Holidays. • He also thanked Staff for their hard work on the Housing Element/General Plan of the City. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Commissioner Matthies commented on the followine: • She concurred with Community Development Director Brady's comments on how well Staff has worked this past year. • She wanted to wish everyone Happy Holidays. • She commented on how well everyone did on the Housing Element/General Plan of the City. Comnussioner Polk commented on the followine: • He commented on the designs of the new projects. He noticed that there are more tandem car garages, which he likes to see. He indicated that this design shows more of the front of the homes and is great for extra storage space. • He also wanted clarificarion on the apartments on Grape Street. • Community Development Director Brady indicated that the applicant for that project is still looking into fmancing and believes that this project has not gone any further cvith development. Conuiussioner Polk indicated that he really liked the design of these apartments and believes that this will bring improvements to this area. PAGE 5- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - DECEMBER 19, 2001 • He indicated that he enjoyed working with Staff this year, and wished everyone Happy Holidays. • He also wanted to let everyone know that he is having an Open House on Christmas Day at 2:30 and all are welcomed. • He also wanted to thank Staff for inviting him to the UCR economic review. He indicated that last year their were over 80,000 new homes buik in the San Bemardino and Riverside Counues, which means that our area is growing at a phenomenal rate. He wanted to thank Staff on their hard work with the Housing Element/General Plan. Comrnissioner Nash commented on the followinQ: • He thanked Staff for their hard work this year, and has enjoyed his time on the Pluuiiug Commission. • He also wished everyone Happy Holidays Chainnui Wilsev commented on the followins~ • He concurred with the other Conuiussioners comments on how well Staff has done this year. He has thoroughly enjoyed working with everyone thisyear. • He also commented on how nice it is to see the housing elements come through on the specific plans. He indicated that the projects aze very marketable and will benefit the communiry. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY NASH, SECONDED BY POLK AND CARRIED BY UNt1NIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT 7:20 PM. WII.SEY, CHAIRMAN Respectfully Submitted ,~~~~u,a, C~-~~~~ . Dana C. Porche' PAGE 6- PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - DECEMBER 19, 2001 Community Development Clerk ATTEST: Plaiu~uig Comcnission