HomeMy WebLinkAbout08-13-2008 PSAC Minutes
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MINUTES
PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
183 NORTH MAIN STREET
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13, 2008
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CALL TO ORDER - 6:00 P.M.
Chairman Norkin called the Public Safety Advisory Commission meeting to order at 6:04
p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Stewart.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIRMAN BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
ABSENT:
NONE
Also present were: Information/Communications Manager Dennis, Assistant City
Attorney Mann, Officer Chavez, Fire Captain Juarez, Traffic Engineer Basubas and
Clerk of the Board Munson.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
Greg J. Bowers, Assistant Superintendent, Lake Elsinore Unified School District,
informed the Commission of a Traffic Advisory Committee formed by the Board of
Trustees which consists of District staff and a City staff liaison. He indicated a couple of
their goals was to sanction, through the District a traffic circulation study, to analyze
traffic patterns and to study how traffic around schools impacts general circulation
patterns. He also informed the Commission the District was interested in looking at
each individual school site to look at parking and access and develop some plans to
improve the sites. He reported consultants were being interviewed and recruited to
study these issues.
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COMMISSION APPROVES CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM(S)
1. Minutes
Minutes of regular PSAC meeting of July 9, 2008.
Recommendation: Approve.
It was motioned by Commissioner Stewart, and seconded by Commissioner
Dailey to approve the Consent Calendar.
The following vote resulted:
AYES: CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIRMAN BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
NOES: NONE
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
BUSINESS ITEMS
2. AGGRESSIVE PANHANDLING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY
Information/Communications Manager Dennis indicated this was in response to
recent citizen complaints regarding persons aggressively soliciting donations in
the public right-of-way, such as along roadways or freeway off ramps, and at
retail shopping centers within the City.
Assistant City Attorney Mann provided an overview of the Attorney's Office
findings with other cities ordinances related to panhandling.
Chairman Norkin inquired how the Sheriffs Department responded to
panhandlers.
Sergeant Chavez responded it depended on the right-of-way. He stated if they
are standing on the side of the shoulder and they are not standing in the path of
any vehicles, deputies are not going to stop. He noted if individuals are impeding
traffic, the deputy will make contact. He noted Penal Code 602.1 is one authority
a deputy can use for an infraction.
Vice-Chairman Bhutta inquired what the penalties were for the panhandlers if
they continue to return.
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Assistant City Attorney Mann responded it could be treated as a general violation
of the municipal code or a misdemeanor.
Commissioner Stewart stated he liked the Tacoma ordinance and indicated he
was in favor prohibiting solicitation between sunrise and sunset.
Chairman Norkin suggested a consensus of the Commission needed to be taken
first to determine whether or not the Commission would like to proceed with a
draft aggressive solicitation ordinance.
It was motioned by Commissioner Lyons, seconded by Commissioner Stewart to
proceed with drafting an aggressive solicitation ordinance.
The following vote resulted:
AYES:
CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIR BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
NOES:
NONE
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ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
Commissioner Dailey expressed her concern with deterring those with good
purposes from them from raising funds for their groups.
Chairman Norkin suggested allowing individuals or groups to obtain permission
from the establishment to sell their goods in front of their store.
Commissioner Stewart noted he was in favor of the 15 feet distance from the
front door of the establishment.
Commissioner Lyons suggested charities have some type of documentation of
being a non-profit organization.
It was motioned by Commissioner Dailey, and seconded by Commissioner Lyons
to direct staff to develop a panhandling ordinance.
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The following vote resulted:
AYES:
CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIR BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
NOES: NONE
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
3. CITIZEN CORPS COUNCIL KICKOFF EVENT
Information/Communications Manager Dennis stated the Citizen Corps
subcommittee and staff is organizing a kickoff event for prospective participants
on the new Citizen Corps Council.
Chairman Norkin inquired if more than three Commissioners attend the meeting,
did it have to be noticed.
Information/Communications Manager Dennis responded the meeting did need
.' to meet Brown Act requirements and be noticed if there is a quorum of
Commissioners.
It was motioned by Commissioner Stewart, and seconded by Commissioner
Dailey to approve the subcommittee event plan and add to City calendar.
The following vote resulted:
AYES:
CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIR BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
NONE
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NOES:
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
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4.
RATIONALE FOR A PERMANENT "FRIENDS OF THE LAKE MEMORIAL"
Information/Communications Manager Dennis stated Vice-Chairman Bhutta
requested a memorial tree planting for a recently deceased member of LEMSAR.
He indicated staff believes it is appropriate to designate a permanent memorial
area at the Seaport Boat Launch where past and future "Friends of the Lake"
may also be memorialized. He directed the Commission to discuss the proposal
and proposed directing staff to prepare a PSAC memorandum to City Council for
consideration.
Vice-Chairman Bhutta inquired about the costs.
Information/Communications Manager Dennis responded comparable costs for a
landscape park andsignage and lighted flag pole hardware is between $10-
$15,000.
Vice-Chairman Bhutta recommended something be done now for Ms. Staples
and consider this proposal for the future with developed criteria.
Commissioner Dailey indicated she liked the idea but stated it would be better
served to' create a prominent memorial area and concurred with Vice-Chairman
Bhutta.
It was motioned by Commissioner Dailey, and seconded by Commissioner Lyons
to direct staff to compose a memorandum to the City Council for consideration to
develop a plan to move forward with a "Friends of the Lake Memorial" and in the
meantime designating a space to recognize Donna Staples in the area of the
memorial.
The following vote resulted:
AYES: CHAIRMAN NORKIN
VICE-CHAIR BHUTTA
COMMISSIONER DAILEY
COMMISSIONER LYONS
COMMISSIONER STEWART
NOES: NONE
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
PUBLIC SAFETY SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
Information/Communications Manager Dennis stated the Lakeshore Overlay Sub-
committee has been on hiatus due to the planning effort involved with the General Plan
update.
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Chairman. Norkin requested staff to send a memorandum asking the Planning
Commission if they wanted to continue with the Lakeshore Overlay Sub-committee.
CITY STAFF COMMENTS
Information/Communications Manager Dennis announced the following:
1) The State of the City Address will be held on Thursday, August 28th at 5:00 p.m.
and to please call Susan Reid in the City Manager's office for reservations.
Clerk Munson provided an update of the 2008 November Election.
PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS
Commissioner Dailey requested an update on the parks sweep.
Sergeant Chavez responded the Police Department has issued 27 citations along the
shoreline line area and three arrests in the park.
Commissioner Dailey requested staff to ask the School District for a joint meeting to
conduct a publicforum on school traffic issues.
Commissioner Lyons congratulated the Sheriff's Department and Sergeant Chavez on
the beach and park sweeps.
Vice-Chairman Bhutta requested staff to have someone from Code Enforcement speak
at the next Public Safety and Advisory Commission meeting regarding graffiti and
Parksmart.
Chairman Norkin requested Sergeant Chavez to provide the name of the family of the
individual who gave his life in saving a child from drowning in the lake last year.
Sergeant Chavez responded he would look into obtaining the family's name.
Chairman Norkin requested City Council speak to the Sheriff's Department about
speeding up the 911 response.
ADJOURNMENT
It was the consensus of the Commission to adjourn to a regular meeting on August 13,
2008, at 6:00 p.m. in the Cultural Center located at 183 North Main Street, Lake
Elsinore, California, CA, 92530.
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Chairman Norkin adjourned the meeting at 7:13 p.m.
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VIAN M. MUNSON
CLERK OF THE BOARD
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