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ADJOURNED CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 16, 1981
The adjourned City Council meeting was called to order at 7:28 P.M. with Mayor
Pro-Tern Torn presiding.
Roll call reflected: Councilman Unsworth, Councilman Baldwin, Councilman MacMurry
and Mayor Pro-Tern Torn. (Mayor stewart was ill and could not attend). City
Manager Rede and staff members were also present within the audience. Representatives
of L.D. King, SA-RWQCB and Kecor were present.
Discussion was held regarding sewering a portion of the City of Lake Elsinore
located Northe of Interstate #15, East of Highway #74 and West of Railroad
Canyon Road, which contains ABC Heritage Development Canyon Lake Hill's Develop-
ment, Daon's Development and Ramsgate's Development. E.V.M.W.D. is working to
get an Assessment District established which will both help the financing of the
new plant as well as lend political support to projects. Discussion was held to
the City of Lake Elsinore having no control over the commercial development along
Highway #74 to perris, how much commercial expansion can be relized within the
City of Lake Elsinore if the Assessment District #79-1 is established with lines
installed and precluding future ability to sewer areas North of the Freeway.
Alternatives discussed would be to condition the allowance of Ramsgate to join
the #79-1 Assessment District only if the area along Highway #74, between Inter-
state #15 and the Northerly most Ramsgate property on Highewy #74, both annexes
to the City and is allowed to join Assessment District #79-1. Concerns were
expressed regarding: Temporary facility, Regional Agency and waiver of potential
tax fees.
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At this time adjouned Item #54 was discussed.
Item #54. Motion Councilman Baldwin second Councilman Unsworth, Ordinance No.
707 to be read by title only. City Manager/City Clerk so read. Motion
Councilman Baldwin second Councilman Unsworth to approve Ordinance
No. 707 by the following roll call vote:
Councilman Unsworth - Aye
Councilman Baldwin - Aye
Councilman MacMurry - Aye
Mayor Pro-Tern Torn - Aye
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Ordinance No. 707 approved 4-0, with 1 absent.
Motion Councilman Baldwin second Councilman Unsworth to adjourn this
meeting at 8:50 P.M. Adjourned 4-0.
Respectfully submitted,
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Angela M. Basch/Deputy City Clerk
ADJOURNED CITY COUNCIL MEETING NOVEMBER 30, 1981
The City Council of the City of Lake Elsinore met in adjourned session on November
30th, 1981 with Mayor stewart presiding. The meeting was called in session at 7:30 P.M.
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Councilman Torn.
Roll call reflected Councilmen: Torn, Unsworth, Baldwin, MacMurray and Mayor Stewart
present. City Manager Rede, Director of Public Works Blackford and Planning Director
Morrissey also present.
BUSINESS ITEMS
Item #51. Second Reading of Ordinance No. 623: Amending and adding provisions
to Ordinance No. 582 concerning garbage and waste collection.
Motion Councilman Baldwin second Councilman Torn to read Ordinance No.
623 by title only. Deputy so read. Motion Councilman Torn second
Councilman Unsworth to approve Ordinance No. 623. Roll call vote re-
flected approval at 5-0.
Item #52. Personal Investments, Inc.: Kulberg: Annexation Request.
Planning Director gave presentation of request for annexation to in-
clude 66 residential units, divided into two groups of 26 units and
40 units. Discussion was held to justification of proposed annexation.
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Motion Councilman Baldwin second Councilman Torn to approve Kulberg
Annexations.
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Applicant, Doug Kulberg, spoke of advantage in annexation. Councilman
Baldwin questioned the justification of the annexation, as outlined
within the staff report.
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An amendment was approved by both the first and second to include: Fire
protection fees. A rider be attached to this annexation to include at
such time when a Fire protection fees is decided, this annexation would
be included and subject to payment at the Building permit stage.
Approved 5-0.
staff was so directed to prepare a justification package with correct
tax increments and returns. City Manager indicated staff would require
more time before the next regular council session. Councilman Baldwin
indicated overtime would be required. Councilman Torn requested clairifi-
cation on proposed dwellings. Are they detached? Staff understood the
dwelling units were to be on 6,000 square foot lots with R-l zoning.
Attached would not be allowed (zero lot lines).
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Roll call reflected: Councilman Torn - Aye, Councilman Unsworth - Aye,
Councilman Baldwin - No, Councilman MacMurray - Aye and Mayor Stewart-
Aye. Personal Investments, Inc.: Kulberg: Anneation request approved,
4-1.
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PUBLIC COMMENTS
Lon Chaney questioned the closing of streets for parades. Mr. Chaney
stated the "Hall of Fame" parade had Main Street closed at 12:45 P.M.
when the parade was scheduled for 3:00 P.M. He also stated the live-
lihood is severely affected when the streets are closed for this period
of unnecessary time for the merchants of Downtown. Mr. Chaney mentioned
past approvals and procedures on parades established in 1975. Staff had
researched and apparently the approvals/procedures were verbal. Mayor
Stewart apologized to Mr. Chaney and would see that procedures were
established.
with no further business, motion Councilman Baldwin second Councilman
Unsworth to adjourn this meeting at 8:55 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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AnggIa M. Basch/Deputy City Clerk
CITY COUNCIL MEETING NOVEMBER 24, 1981
The City Council of the City of Lake Elsinore met in regular session on
November 24, 1981 with Mayor Stewart presiding. The meeting was called in
session at 7:30 P.M.
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Councilman Unsworth.
Roll call reflected Councilmen: Torn, Unsworth, Baldwin, MacMurray and
Mayor Stewart present. City Manager/City Clerk Rede, Attorney Porter,
Director of Building & Safety Frazier, City Engineer Kicak, Finance Director
Lew, Clerk Edwards and Staff members within the audience also present.
At 7:31 P.M. the joint City Council/Redevelopment Agency was called to
order. The Redevelppment Agency adjourned at 7:35 P.M.
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CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Minutes - November lOth and 16th, 1981; corrected pages 4 and 5 of
October 27th, 1981.
2. Letter of Complaint: E.J. Carter - receive and file.
4. Liquid Waste Disposal: Resolution No. 81-89: Extending Moratorium
to December 22nd, 1981.
5. Disaster Related Rehabilitation: Permit Fees - Waiver Request
6. Set for Public Hearing - December 22, 1981
A. Conditional Use Permit 81-16
B. Conditional Use Permit 81-18
C. Conditional Use Permit 81-19
D. Tentative Tract Map #18265
E. Tentative Tract Map #15382
Ramsgate Planned Community: Wastewater Treatment policies:
Resolution 81-88.
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Item #3. Councilman Torn requested additional condition #3 be added to re-
quested extension of Tract #14639 to read: "Applicant to form road
maintenance assessment district", second Councilman Baldwin. 5-0.
Item #8. Business License Application - Auction Service - Motion Councilman
Unsworth second Councilman Baldwin to approve issuance of business
license subject to:
1. Auction sales at locations other than the fixed (Swapmeet)
location, shall be in commercial or industrial zones only.
2. Any auction sales to be conducted at locations in residential
zones, shall be limited to estates only. (Not for moving
purposes!!) .
3. Applicant to notify the City of any sale to be conducted at
locations other than fixed (Swapmeet) location and written
approval to be secured.
4. No materials used for auction purposes may be stored at
applicants residence.
Approved 5-0.
At this time E.J. Carter requested time to speak on item #2, civil rights and by-
pass valves. So granted by concensus. Mr. Carter spoke on Transit Coordinators
of L.E.T.S. salary, and known locations of by-pass valves. Aaked the Council why
these existing by-pass valves were not in use. Mayor Stewart referred to past
Council actions, asking Mr. Carter to get with Engineer Kicak on information of
the by-pass valves. Mr. Carter refused. Mayor Stewart called Mr. Carter out of
order and proceeded with the regular meeting.
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PUBLIC HEARING
Item #31. Conditional Use Permit #81-17: Edward A Snyder.
Applicant is requesting to establish a protable office (mobile home)
from which to operate a business engaged in ultralite aircraft sport
flying. This proposal is located South of Lakeshore Drive, 660 feet West
of Sylvester. The public hearing was opened at 7:50 P.M. It was asked
if anyone within the audience would care to speak in opposition. Mr.
Gary Skifstrom questioned regulations by FAA and newspaper publications
of rules and regulations. Present to speak in favor was: Doug Miller,
requesting enforcement and cooperation of request, Bill Barnes spoke on
insurance and operation, Loren Culp representing Hanglider Association
spoke on regulations and possible enforcement, Jacque Istel requested
public coordination and Norman Mock spoke on FAR regulations not covering
experimental aircraft (Ultralites). The public hearing was closed at
8:15 P.M. Discussion was held to: Air Quality Managerment District on
dust control, clairification of "sales office" (To be used for training
purposes), aircraft being number for identification, possible request
within the future for a security guard office and vending trailer,
temporary use of trailer, legal enforcement of condition #5 to regulate
mean sea level of operations, liabilities of City (none), and patrol
to be set up by applicants. At this time it was read for the record
a letter from Mrs. Marie C. Rimoli who lives at 115 Lucerene complaining
about the noise and interruptions of the proposed ultralites. Motion
Councilman Unsworth second Councilman Torn that the City adopt Federal
Air Regulations as local Ordinance, as suggested by City Attorney (FAR
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Motion Councilman Unsworth second Councilman Baldwin to strike condition
#2 within staff recommendations (Camping area shall be limited to no more
than twenty (20) sites that shall be grouped together, away from aircraft
operating area. Campsites shall be designated by number, consecutive
wooden signs). Deleted 5-0.
Motion Councilman Torn second Councilman Unsworth to add condition #13
to read: "Date of Conditional Use Permit approval shall be come effective
upon adoption of local Ordinance (FAR # 91)". Approved 5-0.
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Motion Councilman Torn second Councilman Baldwin to add condition #14
to read: "City reserves the right to require numbering identification of
aircraft launched from this site". Approved 5-0.
The following were inserted by Councilman Baldwin by a concensus of this
Council: (Underlined and CAPITALIZED items are changes)
#1. Applicant shall submit to the DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, a site plan at a
scale of not less than one inch equals one hundred feet depicting
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all facilities before any approval is given: Site plan shall include,
but not limited to the following:
a. Sales office, completely dimensioned.
b. DELETED.
c. Parking area: NO OIL OR LAKE POLLUNTING COMPOUNDS FOR DUST CONTROL.
d. Trash bins.
e. Toilets SHALL BE ON CONCRETE SLAB AND DECORATEVELY ENCLOSED.
f. Designated aircraft operating areas.
g. Storage facilities.
h. Fire extinguishers.
DELETED.
Applicaht shall meet all requirements of the County Fire Department.
All trash bins and storage areas shall be effectively screened from
public view SUBJECT TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD APPROVAL.
DELETED.
Entire acreage shall be enclosed by a not less than four (4) foot high
wood fence approved by THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
All toilet facilities ahll be reviewed by the County Health Department
for approval. (DELETE: "ANY ANY POSSIBLE FOOD SERVING FACILITIES") .
All operations shall occur between the hours of 8:00 am. and DUSk.
Application shall be subject to review after six (6) months.
Finding of no significant impact on the environment.
Issuance of a Negative Declaration.
Finding of compliance with present and future elements of the General
Plan yet to be adopted.
DATE OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL SHALL BECOME EFFECTIVE UPON
ADOPTION OF LOCAL ORDINANCE (FAR #91) .
CITY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REQUIRE NUMBERING IDENTIFICATION OF AIR-
CRAFT LAUNCHED FROM THIS SITE.
And by Motion Councilman Baldwin second Councilman Torn to add condition
#15 to read:
#15. LUCERENE STREET (ENTRANCE TO SITE) WATER TRUCK (PROVIDED BY APPLICANT)
SHALL BE PROVIDED AND USED TO MINIMIZE DUST WHILE BUSINESS IS IN
OPERATION HOURS.
At this time a roll call vote was taken to approve Conditional Use Permit #18-17
with above 15 conditions.'
COUNCILMAN TORN - AYE
COUNCILMAN UNSWORTH - NAY DUE TO HOURS OF OPERATION )
COUNCILMAN BALDWIN - NAY
COUNCILMAN MACMURRAY - NAY
MAYOR STEWART - AYE
This Conditional Use Permit is denied by a vote of 3 to 2. Denied.
At this time the chair called a recess. City Council reconvened at 9:15 P.M.
PLANNING COMMISSION
Item #41. Motion Councilman Baldwin second Councilman Unsworth to accept adoption
of Planning Commission/Design Review Board policy, not proceeding to
the City Councilor Redevelopment Agency until formal action by the Com-
mission adopting minutes relavent to said project has occures. The
Commission may also, when appropriate concern is warranted, formally re-
struct staff processing of approved projects until approval of the
appropriate minutes has occured. Approved 5-0.
BUSINESS ITEMS
Item #51. Airport Request for Proposal (RFP). Motion Councilman Baldwin second
Councilman Unsworth, RFP be distributed. Approved 5-0.
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Discussionwas held to EIR and costs. Motion Councilman Baldwin second
Councilman Unsworth to authorize staff to initiate the annexation pro-
cedures in conjunction with the Kecor annexation on the properties
exhibited. Discussion: Councilman Torn requests authorization to
authorize consultant to conduct RFT. Motion Councilman Torn to authorize
preperation of RFT, second Councilman Unsworth, approved 5-0.
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Item #53. Annexation Request.
a. Personal Investment, INC., Kulberg.
Discussion was held to disregarding costs and fiscal impact benefits,
LAFCO timming and cost revenue impact study necessary on Kulberg
tract. Concensus was given to table this item (#53(a)) until the
scheduled adjourned Council meeting of November 30, 1981. Tabled 5-0.
b. Fire Station Task Program
Motion Councilman Baldwin, second Councilman Unsworth to direct
City Attorney to research appropriateness of improvement fee and
if proper findings can be made for it's imposition, prepare an
ordinance requiring certain fees be imposed upon residential,
commercial and industrial projects. Approved 5-0.
Item #54. Request of Hazel Lee: 32401 stoneman: (Skywatchers Park dba Twin
Pines). Tabled until a later date (after Item #57). Approved 5-0.
Item #55. Appointment by City Council to Appeals Board.
Letter to be drafted and sent to ask/re-instate previous Board
members. (Lon Chaney, Milt Papeni, A. Natalie and Joe Vandervalk) .
Board attendance fees of $25.00 each meeting to be paid to members.
Report on letter to be agendized for the meeting of December 8, 1981.
Approved 5-0.
Item #56. petition on behalf of Tenants (Skydive) at Ksylark Field.
Mr. J. Istel requested decomposed granite to improve runway with up
to 1,000 cubic yards per year. (Item (a) has been granted by permit
issuance of the Building Department). Extensive discussion was held
regarding fill of the airport runway and dust controls. Discussion
was also held to only maintenance of runway with 1000 cubic yards of
fill. Testimony was taken by both adjacent residents of runway and
owner/manager of airport. Motion Councilman Torn second Councilman
Baldwin, Director of Building & Safety to come back to this Council
with a set of regulations for fill operations. Approved to table, 5-0.
Item #57. Rubbish Collection Services: Amendments & Additions to Municipal
Code: Ordinance
Motion Councilman Torn second Councilman Baldwin to read Ordinance
by Title only. Deputy so read. Motion Councilman Baldwin, second
Countilman Torn to approve Ordinance by the following roll call vote:
Councilman Torn Aye
Councilman Unsworth Aye
Councilman Baldwin Aye
Councilman MacMurray - Aye
Mayor Stewart Aye Approved 5-0
Item #54. Request of Hazel Lee: 32401 Stoneman:
City Attorney has researched the possibilities of waiving advertise-
ment of public hearing for request of applicant to install and
energize said mobile home. The ordinance does not give provisions
to waive public hearings. It is a concensus of this Council to speed
up processing on Planning Commission and City Council public ad-
vertising. Approved 5-0.
PUBLIC COMMENTS (Limited to (3) Minutes)
J. Istel gave clairification on discussion held tonight. M. Moore questioned the con-
trol of dust and allocated $15,000.00 appropriated for Airport RFP. Councilman Torn
so explained. D. Burnell stated he is representating all the property owners that
are concerned with the dust created by aircraft. E.J. Carter questioned dept from
L.E.T.S. To the City, L.E.T.S. Coordinator salary and requested copies of L.E.T.S.
expense, income and subsidy. Councilman Torn so note. Stewart Mill stated the
incidents that have happened at the airport are inappropriate. Jerry Otis recom-
mended cooperation between all parties. Fred Austin requested repair of runway on
"Soft Spots". Maggis Barnes (Ultralite) stated enforcement and establishment of
Committees would help and benefit the requests. D. Burness gave clairification of
his statements. Larry Knight questioned the impact if airport was lost. Mr. Miller
of Ultralite, questioned camping denial and reconsideration of motion. Also re-
quested actions on clean-up and coordination of efforts on private property and
campers. Dave Vic commented on the excellent out-come and events that took place
for the Hall of Fame Parachuting on-going last week-end. Hall of Fame Parachuting
is temporary located at Laguna Federal. Bob Jacibson commented on Hall of Fame
and he was proud to be a part of Lake Elsinore's History.
Motion Councilman Unsworth, second Councilman MacMurray to approve repair of run-
way "soft spots" under the supervision of Director of Building/Frazier. Councilman
Baldwin in opposition. Approve 4-1. Comments were made to use of runway #523.
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