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HomeMy WebLinkAbout11-22-1994 City Council Minutes MINUTES REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 N. HAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA TUESDAY, NOVEKBER 22, 1994 - *******************************~********************************* CALL TO ORDER The Regular city council Meeting was called to order by Mayor Washburn at 7:05 p.m. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Mayor Washburn. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: ALONGI, BENDER, BRINLEY, PAPE, WASHBURN ABSENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE Also present were: city Manager Molendyk, Assistant city Manager Rogers, ci ty Attorney Harper, Administrati ve Services Director Boone, City Planner Leslie, Interim Chief Building Official Russell, Community Services Director Sapp, Public Services Director Tecca, Manager of special projects Watenpaugh, Special Projects Coordinator Wood, City Treasurer Kelley and City Clerk Kasad. PRESENTATIONS/CEREMONIALS a. Presentation - Report on Four Corners Storm Drain Project. (F:155.1) city Manager Molendyk noted that representatives of the Riverside County Flood Control District were present to provide an update on the Four Corners Storm Drain proj ect funded by Proposition F. Neal smithhammer, representing the Flood Control District, detailed the location of the lines associated 'ITith this project and detailed the planned detours for construction. Mayor Washburn requested that the District work with staff and King 3 to get the information on the project and detours out to the pUblic. He noted that this is a long overdue project. Mr. smithhammer noted the potential impact of the rainy season on this proj ect, but suggested that the work should be complete in 95 days, or April, 1995. b. Presentation - Grandfathers Tov Run. - Mayor Washburn read a Proclamation and presented it to Salvation Army Captain Sal Arne. Mr. Arne detailed the efforts of the Grandfathers group in cooperation with the Salvation Army. He noted that this is the second annual toy run and detailed the planned activities. PUBLIC COKKENTS - AGENDIZED ITEMS A request was received to address Item No. 8 of this Agenda and PAGE TWO - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - NOVEMBER 22, 1994 deferred to that discussion. CONSENT CALENDAR The following items were pulled from the Consent Calendar for further discussion and consideration: Item Nos. 8 and 9. - MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY PAPE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTB TO APPROVE THB BALANCE OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTBD. 1. The following Minutes were approved: (F:44.4) a. Regular City Council Meeting - November 8, 1994. The following Minutes were received and ordered filed: b. Planning Commission Minutes - October 19, 1994. (F:60.3) c. Planning Commission Minutes - November 2, 1994. d. Design Review Committee Minutes - October 19, 1994. (F:60.4) e. Design Review Committee Minutes - November 2, 1994. 2 . Received and ordered filed the L. E. A. F. Animal Control Activity Report for October, 1994. (F:18.2) 3. Received and ordered filed the Code Enforcement Activity Report for October, 1994. (F:54.1) 4. Ratified Warrant List for November 15, 1994. (F:12.3) 5. Rejected and referred to Claims Administrator for handling the Claim Against the City submitted by GTE California, Inc. (CL #94-29).(F:52.2} - 6. Adopted Resolution Nos. 94-54 and 94-55 relating to Community Facilities District 90-3 (North Lake Elsinore Hills). (F: 22.3) RESOLUTION NO. 94-54 A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF PARITY SPECIAL TAX BONDS, APPROVING AND DIRECTING THE EXECUTION OF A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT TO FISCAL AGENT AGREEMENT, AND APPROVING OTHER RELATED DOCUMENTS AND ACTIONS. RESOLUTION NO. 94-55 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE ORDERING THAT TAXES PURSUANT TO THE HELLO-ROOS COMMUNITY FACILITIES ACT OF 1982, BE REMOVED FROM THB ROLLS, AND THAT THE TAX COLLECTOR BE CREDITED WITH THOSE TAXES. 7. Adopted Resolution No. 94-56 regarding Bond Refinancing. (F:126.5) - RESOLUTION NO. 94-56 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORB APPROVING THB BORROWING OF FUNDS BY THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FROM THE PUBLIC FINANCING AUTHORITY, CONFIRMING CERTAIN PAGB THRBB - CITY COUNCIL KINUTES - NOVEMBER 22, 1994 PINDINGS OP BENBPIT WITH RESPECT TO THB USB OP SUCH PONDS AND AUTHORIZING AND APPROVXNG OTHER HATTERS PROPERLY RBLATING THERBTO. 10. Approved Public Hearing Date of December 13, 1994, for the -- following: a. Zone Chanae94-2 - citv of Lake Elsinore. (F:172.2) A City initiated change of zone for territory generally located south of Lash Avenue; north of Lincoln Avenue; west of Machado and east of Dryden Street, Clement street, and the termini of zieglinde Drive, LeGaye street and pierre Lane. The change of zone establishes zoning for the previously approved Annexation 156 (Hammerhead Area) . b. An Ordinance concerning swimming Pool, Spa and Hot Tub Codes and the requirement for Barrier Fencing. (F:32.1) c. Adoption of a Nondisposal Facility Element (NDFE). (F: 163 .1) 11. Adopted Resolution Nos. 94-59 and 94-60 relating to the Marks- Roos Pool & CFD 90-2 (Tuscany Hills). (F:22.3) RESOLUTION NO. 94-59 - A RBSOLUTXON OF THB CXTY COUNCIL OF THB CITY OF LAKB BLSINORB AUTHORIZING THB ISSUANCB OP BONDS BY CITY OP LAKB BLSINORB COKNUNXTY PACILITXES DISTRICT NO. 88-3 (WEST LAKB BLSXNORE), PRESCRIBXNG THB TERMS THEREOF, APPROVING THB SBCOND SUPPLBKBNTAL FXSCAL AGENT AGREBKBNT AND THB COKNITKBHT AGRBEMENT AND PURCHASB CONTRACT POR PURCHASB AND SALB OF LOCAL OBLIGATIONS AND PROVXDXNG FOR OTHER HATTERS RELATBD THBRBTO. RESOLUTION NO. 94-60 A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZXNG THB ISSUANCE OF SUBORDXNATB SPBCXAL TAX BONDS, APPROVING AND DIRECTING THB EXECUTION OP A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT TO PISCAL AGENT AGREEKENT, AND APPROVING OTHER RELATED DOCUMENTS AND ACTXONS. ITEMS PULLBD FROK CONSENT CALBNDAR 8. Amendment of Resolution #89-4 - Section 2 - Facilitv Use Fees - Resolution No. 94-57. (F:64.2) Mayor Washburn called upon those persons who requested to speak as follows: - Harv Dykstra, 114 E. Peck Street, spoke in opposition of the amendment and asked that Council consider the issue thoroughly before making a determination. He stated that many of the residents of the county area do own real estate in the City, shop in the City and own businesses in the City. He noted that the non-residents of the incorporated city provide half of the sales tax revenue that the ci ty receives and do contribute. He asked that the City not penalize the youth that do not live in the city, and explained that he has been told that several of the County residents will not shop in Lake Elsinore if this fee is put in place; and he stated that as a business owner in the City he cannot afford this action. PAGE POUR - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - BOVEKBER 22, 1994 Councilman Alongi stated that he agrees with Mr. Dykstra in regard to the youth. He explained that he is aware that the City has budget problems, but does not feel that this is the way to address them. Councilman Alongi stated that the City subsidizes the ball field, which benefits people as far away as San Diego and he feels that if the City can do that, then they should not penalize the children of the area because they do not sleep in the city. He explained that it is a shame that because of budget constraints certain services are removed, and Lake Elsinore is still fortunate enough to produce parks and ball fields so that children can play on them. He noted that it is up to Little League to schedule the fields, so that children can play ball games at the different parks until things improve. He suggested that the County, Ortega Trails Recreation & Park District and the City should be looking at regional parks instead of building individual parks as the City has been doing, so that everyone can enjoy them. Councilman Pape asked if the city had taken into consideration the persons who own property in the City, but do not live here. Community Services Director Sapp explained that it was taken into consideration and the findings were that the residents of the corporate boundaries are defined as City residents. Councilman Pape clarified that Council has already approved City residents getting priority for the use of City owned facilities; and what is now being considered is the establishment of a fee to offset the amount that is paid by the residents of the City for maintenance and up-keep of the parks through their Landscaping and Lighting maintenance District. He noted that when Proposition 4 was passed it stated that cities were to be run like a business and should implement users fees. Councilman Pape stated that if someone from outside the corporate limits uses the facilities, then they should pay the same amount as those persons who live in the City do through their Lighting & Landscape assessment. Mayor Pro Tem Bender stated that in the newspapers it has been questioned whether Ortega Trails District will continue; and while no one ever wants to pay a fee for facilities, there are City residents and property owners who are paying to maintain the parks and facilities and it is only fair that the non- residents contribute to the cost of maintenance of the parks and facilities just as the residents do. He explained that he would like to see the fees returned to the Maintenance and Landscaping account to assist in a potential reduction of fees for everyone, both resident and non-resident, in the future. He noted that with the problems Ortega Trails is experiencing, there will be no more parks in their area and he felt that it would only be fair for the non-residents to pay the same as the City residents to continue to have parks. He suggested that the fee be the $26.00 that the City residents are paying, and not the reduced amount. - - Communi ty Services Director Sapp explained that his department had surveyed other cities and that over all they charged the nominal fee. He further explained that they have been working with the users groups to find a way to come up with a fee that __ would be fair and equitable since they will be collecting them for the City. He stated that the amount listed was felt to be air and the fees could then be raised if it is found to not be enough. PAGE ~IVE - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - KOVEKBER 22, 1994 - Mayor Pro Tem Bender stated that if city residents are paying $26.00 through the Landscaping and Lighting Maintenance District, then he feels that non-residents should pay the same. Communi ty services Director Sapp stated that non- residents have never had to pay a fee and the proposed fee would be a transitional fee to get them used to participating with the costs of maintenance of the recreational facilities; and can be elevated at a later time. Mayor Pro Tem Bender stated that he felt that the entire amount should be charged and placed back into the parks account to possibly lower the fees for everyone in the future. councilwoman Brinley stated that this has been a problem for a long time and explained that when her children were involved in Little League in the 1980'S, the County was promising parks and fields; however when there were real needs such as lighting at swick/Matich Field, it was the city that provided the lighting for the children to play night games. She stated that it is time for the children and adults that have been paying for the facilities to get priority and the non- residents to participate in the cost of maintenance and upkeep of the facilities just as the residents do. Mayor Washburn stated that he concurs with staff and agreed with Mayor Pro Tem Bender in regard to fees. Mayor Pro Tem Bender stated that Council will take flack one way or the other and stated that he would rather it be all at once. - councilman Alongi addressed Councilman Pape regarding running a City like a business and quoted the Mayor saying that "if you run a city like a business, then the City is not going to go anywhere". He stated that in his opinion the city seems to stretch out their arms to big business and subsidize them and have depended on the County for the sales tax in the community. He noted that the County residents shop in the community and own businesses in the community and do contribute to the coffers of the City. Councilman Alongi stated that the City is lucky to have the parks, and noted that the more facilities that are built, the more the amount for the Landscaping and Lighting Assessment will be assessed to cover the maintenance of the parks. He stated that when the City starts putting a cost on what a child is worth, then the city will be heading down a road of no return. He suggested that the problems of youth today, stem from the political officials who were too busy trying to put dollars in the community's pockets rather than investing a few dollars for the kids down the road. He stated that he feels that this type of fee is uncalled for, unnecessary and discriminatory. - Mayor Washburn noted that at a conference he attended he learned that part of the difficulties that small cities in California are having is that since Proposition "13", cities have provided programs and services, and the per capita for those same programs and services have declined and caused a huge gap for the cities to deal with. He explained that either the cities collect a $1.00 and provide a $1.50 in services and facilities or they implement a user fee system, which is what he feels is the most effective. Therefore, he does not feel that charging a fee is discriminatory, but rather providing a service that the citizens are paying for. PAGE SIX - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - NOVEMBER 22, 1994 Councilman Pape stated that the City is not trying to keep the children from playing in the parks, but rather to make the situation equal. He explained that the City is not asking anyone to do anything that they are not doing themselves. He noted that it is unfair to expect the residents to pay extra fees so that the non-residents don't have to pay at all. Councilwoman Brinley stated that this is not a case of the City being greedy, but rather taking care of our own. She stated that the County through Ortega Trails should assess and create parks for that area. She explained that it seemed that as long as the City of Lake Elsinore was providing the fields and recreational facilities, Ortega Trails could ignore the needs of their population and it is time that they take responsibility and respond to the needs of the County residents just as the City has responded to the needs of the City residents. - Mayor Pro Tem Bender stated that it is not an issue with the children, but rather a matter of being financially prudent and answering to the City taxpayers who elect the Council and are paying for the parks and should expect the non-residents to pay their fair share for those parks. MOVED BY BENDER, SECONDED BY PAPE AND CARRIED BY A VOTE OF 4 TO 1 WITH ALONGI CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTIOB BO. 94- 57 WITH AM AKEHDMENT TO THE FEES TO READ "OUTDOOR FACILITIES: $26.00; INDOOR FACILITIES: $12.00", AND THE MONEY TO BE PLACED BACK INTO THE ACCOUNT FOR LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING KAINTENAMCE DISTRICT TO OFFSET THE COST OF OPERATING THE PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IB THE CITY. RESOLUTION NO. 94-57 - A RESOLUTIOB OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKB BLSIBORB, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING RESOLUTIOB 89-4 ATTACRKBHT "SCHEDULB OF FEES". 9. Cost Recoveries for Abatement: (F:32.4) a. 238 East Peck - Carl & Jean Winston. b. Lot on Grand Avenue - Far Eastern Group. c. 17054 Ulmer - Everett Miller. d. Lot on Gray - Irene Kreitz. Councilman Alongi reiterated his concerns for these property owners paying their fair share. He stressed that this action is because of negligence on the part of the property owners. He further stressed the need for a repayment schedule. Mayor Pro Tem Bender indicated that he thought a program was recently approved for placement of these items on the tax bill, and questioned that action. City Attorney Harper indicated that the Council did act on this item and the new policy is to place the liens on the tax bills. He clarified that those liens placed this year would not be paid until the next tax billing cycle. __ Councilman Alongi indicated that his understanding was that after 24 months the City would pursue repayment. City Attorney Harper concurred that this had been the previous PAGE SBVBH - CXTY COURCXL HXNUTES - HOVBKBER 22, 1994 I~ discussion that after two years the city Attorney would pursue repayment. He clarified that recent action was for collection in the next regular billing. The city Clerk was directed to pull the recent minutes to clarify the council's Action. Administrative Services Director Boone detailed the new procedure in which the property owner has 90 days to pay, and if it is not paid in that time it goes on the tax bill for August, 1995. city Attorney Harper noted that approximately 50 were recently processed and more are on the way. HOVED BY ALOHGX, SECONDED BY BENDER AND CARRXED BY UKUXHOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE ABOVE LXSTED COST RECOVERIES AND AUTBORXIE THE PLACXHG 01' SPECXAL LXEHS AGAXHST THE PROPERTXES THROUGH THE RXVERSXDE COUNTY ASSESSORS OFFXCE. PUBLXC HBARXHG 21. Public Hearing on the Proposed Vacation of Inaham Street - Resolution No. 94-58. (F:10.1) City Manager Molendyk explained that this relates to a paper street in the Country Club Heights area, anda consensus has been reached with the property owners to vacate the street. Public Services Director Tecca noted the location of this street and explained that the property owners have requested this vacation. He further explained that there is steep topography in the area and it would be nearly impossible to build this street. - Councilman Alongi questioned the nearest intersection. Mr. Tecca indicated that it would be near Lash Street. Mayor Washburn opened the public hearing at 7:48 p.m. asking those persons interested in this item to speak. Hearing no one, the public hearing was closed at 7:48 p.m. HOVED BY WASHBURN, SECONDED BY BENDER AND CARRXED BY UKUXHOUS VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTXOH HO. 94-58 VACATXHG XHGBAK STREET. RESOLUTIOH HO. 94-58 A RESOLUTXOH 01' THE CXTY COURCXL 01' THE CXTY 01' LAKE ELSXHORE FOR THE VACATXOH OF XHGBAK STREET. BUSXHESS XTEKS 31. Second Readina - Ordinance No. 987 - Relatina to Assemblv Bill 1290 Requirements - Update of Redevelopment Aaencv Pro;ect Area terms. (F:134.1) city Attorney Harper noted that this was the procedural second reading. - HOVED BY BRXNLEY, SECONDED BY PAPE TO ADOPT ORDXHANCE HO. 987 UPOH SECOND RBADXHG BY TXTLE ONLY: ORDXNANCE NO. 987 AN ORDXHANCE OF THE CITY 01' LAKE ELSXNORE AlUDlDXNG THE REDBVELOPKBKT PLANS FOR THE LAKE ELSXHORE REDBVELOPKBKT AGENCY XN ACCORDANCE WXTH HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE SECTXON 33333.'. UPON THE FOLLOWXNG ROLL CALL VOTE: PAGE EIGHT - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - NOVEKBER 22, 1994 AYES: COUNCILKEKBERS: ALONGI, BENDER, BRINLEY, PAPE, WASHBUlUI NOES: COUNCILKEKBERS: NONE ABSENT: COUNCILKEKBERS: NONE ABSTAIN: COUNCILKEKBERS: NONE 32. Reauest from Downtown Business Association. (F:I08.7) --- Councilman Alongi noted that the Downtown Business Association and the City have settled their differences and the DBA is now putting together a Christmas celebration in coordination with the City's winterfest and would respectfully request City assistance in the amount of $1,000 for the purchase of 100 rolls of film to be used to take pictures of the children with Santa on the day of the winterfest and the following Saturdays. He explained that the City had received a check from the D.B.A. in the amount of $7,000, which is to be used in the Downtown area only, and he feels that this would be an appropriate request. Mayor Pro Tem Bender stated that he is glad to see the differences have been settled between the City and the D.B.A. He stated that he does not have a problem with this and asked how many pictures were taken last year. Councilman Alongi stated that 1,200 pictures were taken last year and explained that this year there should be approximately 2,000 Polaroid pictures. He noted that the money will have to be spent in the Business Improvement District and he felt that this was a good thing to spend the money on. Mayor Pro Tem Bender requested clarification of the dates. Councilwoman Brinley commented that the City received $7,000 and the D.B.A. received $9,000 and suggested that the D.B.A. should not mind using the $1,000 from their funds towards this project. Councilman Alongi stated that the money given to the city is for use in the BID District only. Mayor Washburn asked if the request was for $1,000 of the BID District funds. Councilman Alongi stated that it was. He clarified the split of the funds and the purpose of the funds. Councilman Pape indicated that he had a problem with an organization that does not have a representative present when they are requesting funds. Councilman Alongi stated that he would answer any questions that Councilman Pape might have. Councilman Pape stated that he was under the impression that the D.B.A. was going to request $500 and then it was bumped up to $1,000. Councilman Alongi stated that the initial request was for $500 ince it was first proposed to have pictures at the winterfest only, however itwas then decided to do the pictures with Santa for the following Saturdays. He explained that the Santa and pictures would have been done by the City if the D.B.A. did not provide that service. Councilman Pape noted that there is a group in the City to handle this type of thing and that is the Chamber of Commerce and questioned the __ efficiency of the D.B.A. in the use of funds. Councilman Alongi questioned why a budget was not provided to Council outlining the $9,000 that was given to the D.B.A. He -- - - - PAGE BIBE - CITY COUNCIL KlNUTES - BOVBKBER 22, 1994 stated that the Chamber of Commerce is not doing anything for Christmas, since they do not have the funds and therefore the D.B.A. has taken the responsibility. He explained tha~ there is no longer a Christmas parade and the Chamber 1S not presenting that either, since the D.B.A. had to abandon that project. Councilman Alongi stat~d th~t he felt that it w~s silly to bicker over the money S1nce 1t can only be spent 1n the BID District anyway. He explained that all the time will be donated by volunteers. Mayor Washburn stated that he has a problem with a Councilman speaking for the D.B.A. KOVED BY WASBBUlUf, SECOBDED BY BRIBLEY AIID CARRIED BY A 3 TO 2 VOTB WITH ALOBGI AIID BENDER CASTIBG THE DISSBNTIBG VOTES TO DBBY THB REQUEST FROK THB DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. THE CITY COUNCIL KBETIBG WAS RECESSED AT 8:05 P.K. THB CITY COUNCIL KBETIBG WAS RECOBVBNED AT 8:07 P.K. PUBLIC COMKBBTS - BON-AGEBDIZED ITEMS Thomas Watkins, Chief sweeping & steam Cleaning, 16776 Lakeshore Drive, expressed concern that local businesses are not receiving the contracts for maintenance at the Outlet Center, stadium, Theaters, Walmart, etc. Mayor Washburn commented that the private operations such as the Outlet Center are not mandated to use local businesses, but noted that he is aware of attempts to do so. City Manager Molendyk clarified that the Stadium is a public facility and the contract must be awarded through a competitive bid process. Mr. Watkins stressed the amount of money which is not coming back in to the community. David Buchanan, 30831 Plumas, inquired when the Fire station will be constructed in the vicinity of Lincoln/Machado. He questioned the status of the funding and the project. Ace Vallejos, 15231 Cobre street, commented on the new theater facility and noted that he questions the need for 10 screens over 8 screens. He also questioned what will happen when the Walmart puts the K-Mart out of business. He also commented on a recent newspaper article concerning a utility users tax and questioned the city's financial status. He noted that a vote is not required for a utility tax, but suggested that a recall would likely follow such an action. Mariana Mohylyn, 305 W. Sumner, commented on the pending abatement of her property and noted that she now has the ability to repair the property. She suggested that less government intervention is needed. CITY MANAGER COMKEBTS City Manager Molendyk advised that the Fire station in the vicinity of Lincoln/Machado is still planned for Community Facilities District 88-3 and noted that with the next funding, it will be ready to proceed. City Attorney Harper indicated that the first step for the funding was approved on this evening's agenda. CITY COUNCIL COMKEBTS Councilman Alongi commented on the following: PAGB TBN - CITY COUNCIL MINUTBS - NOVEMBBR 22, 1994 1) Stated that HOPE is collecting turkeys for Christmas and asked that anyone wishing to contribute contact HOPE. 2) Thanked a local business for their donation of turkeys for HOPE. He commended the business on their success. 3) Asked that the Mayor send an outline of the boundaries of the City of Lake Elsinore to the newspapers so that when they report crime they give the proper area. He noted that if the crime is in Lakeland Village, Wildomar or Sedco Hills, then they should know that it is not in the City but in the County. He stated that he is proud to live in the City of Lake Elsinore and knows that the City has its own problems, but we do not need to be give others problems; and that the Sheriff's Department should make a special note to identify the County related crimes versus City related crimes. 4) Addressed an article in the newspaper which accused him of holding up the construction of the theater and stated that it is the responsibility of the Council to know who is working in the community. He noted that all businesses who operate in the community must have a business license and supply the necessary insurance. He stated that he hoped that the newspaper in question was not trying to encourage people to do business in the City without business licenses and proper insurance. 5) Commented that some of the Councilpeople recently showed discriminatory and bigoted actions regarding a housing program. He stated that the program is about providing housing for low income people. He noted that it is a shame that those elected officials don't take the time to find out who the low income people are. He noted that the City should provide housing for all levels of income not just low and moderate income, but low, low income. He explained that the statements that were made were not made to ask how the City could provide that kind of quality housing at a price range that they could afford, and not drop the quality that the City is looking for. He noted that the statements that were made were; how do we get out of it; if we show an intent, do we have to do it; and why do we have to supply it. Councilman Alongi noted that one Councilman showed up with a Multiple Listing and pointed out that there were 70 properties that were selling for under $100,000. He explained that the same Councilman noted that a family making $33,000 could qualify to buy one of the houses. He stated that he would like that Councilman to show him the type of property that is selling for under $100,000 in this town. Councilman Alongi noted that the Councilperson in question is living in the same type of house that he doesn't want built here. He stated that he felt it was outrageous and a shame that elected officials take this attitude towards people who are financially disadvantaged. He explained that these are people who go to work from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., 7 days a week to support their families and they are not welfare recipients and are not federally assisted, but are hard working people that want a decent home to live in and not the shacks that are found on Nashland and Joy Street. He noted that they are entitled to decent housing and the elected officials should provide it. He stated that Council should not be working around things to manipulate the system and not provide the housing. -" ..", ..", PAGB BLBVEN - CXTY COUNCXL KXNUTBS - NOVEMBER 22, 1994 - - 6) He noted the request from the Downtown Business Association for the $1,000. He stated that the city just gave Wal-Mart millions dollars of the city's tax money and they are the richest and largest retailer in the united states. He explained that the city just guaranteed a $4,000,000 loan and gave a grant of $875,000 of RDA funds to a movie theater and recently purchased the Lake which involve the paYments for Lake Management. He noted that all these things are done for the benefit of someone that doesn't live in the community, hoping that one day it will produce something for the ci ty , which includes the ballfield. He explained that when the people in the communi ty , who supply the tax dollars, properties are appraised so the city can qualify to borrow the money against those properties and yet the city council refuses to give back the community's own tax dollars that they paid, and those taxes were specifically collected in that area by businesses for that area's use and the council votes against them by a 3 to 2 vote. He stated that these are the businesses that struggle against the Wal-Mart's and K-Mart to stay in business. He stated that we subsidize and assist the large stores, but the City does not help the downtown small businesses. He noted that the city will allow small loans through RDA, and then the owner must pay them back through dollars from their pockets and not tax increment. He explained that he feels that it is similar actions that caused the voting public to vote all of the old people out of Washington and brought others in and he feels that the same thing should happen to the City of Lake Elsinore. Mayor Pro Tem Bender commented on the following: 1) Noted that the councilmembers were elected with varied philosophies and indicated that the comments from the study Session regarding housing were used out of context. He stressed that Study Sessions are intended as fact finding efforts. 2) Noted that there were many happy people at the opening of the theater. councilwoman Brinley commented on the following: 1) Stated that she did not hear bigotry at the Study Session regarding housing, only questions and discussion. 2) Expressed concern with the headlines regarding a utility tax. She stressed that the material was intended to be informational in response to a request from staff. She stressed that the City is a "city in Transition" and needs to remain competitive. She further stressed the staff was attempting to keep the Council informed. She indicated that none of the Council has addressed a users tax. She expressed concern that this material was taken out of context. She indicated that if this action should become necessary, the public will be informed of it and noted that this is a right of the public. 3) Noted that she is proud and excited that the theater is here. She noted the statistics for attendance over the first weekend, with 1900+ on Friday, 2150 on Saturday and PAGE TWELVE - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - BOVBMBBR 22, 1"4 2,000 on Sunday. She commented that it is wonderful for the community and great for the children. 4) Thanked the Grandfathers for their joint effort with the Salvation Army and noted that the Casino is a collection point for the effort. 5) Wished the community a Happy Thanksgiving. Councilman Pape commented on the following: 1) Noted the Crime Watch program on Channel 3 on November 21, 1994, and advised that Sheriff-Elect participated. He indicated that the show was well done and advised that it would replay on Monday at 7 p.m. He further indicated that there will be a new show the first Monday of every month, in an effort to keep the public informed. 2) Commented on the opening of the movie theater and noted that it is a beautiful building and a well done project. 3) Clarified the financing arrangement for Walmart and stressed that the City will never be writing Walmart a check. He explained the distribution of sales taxes and its repayment for the work done up front by the developer/Walmart. - 4) Expressed concern with the discussion of utility users taxes, and suggested that there is a leak in city Hall. He expressed further concern with staff requesting information and only one portion of the possibilities being taken out of context. He noted that there is a problem if information cannot be obtained without it being used against the City. Mayor Washburn commented on the following: - 1) Addressed the discussion of utility taxes and reiterated that the information was in a memo from the city Attorney at the request of staff. He stressed that the City is looking at possible revenue sources and commented that there is presently no intent to pursue a utility tax at this time. 2) Concurred with Councilman Alongi regarding crime reports for\1,surrounding areas. He indicated that he used to sent notds to the paper to remind them of the City Limits, however with the fluctuations in newspaper staff's it is difficult to get the point across. f , , 3) 'Expressed pride in his participation in accomplishments such as the theater, the outlet center, Walmart, the Lake, etc. He indicated that he is not hearing many complaints and most people seem to be seeing the progress. 4) Wished everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. - CLOSED SESSIOB 1. Lake Elsinore Associates vs. City of Lake Elsinore - Case #200767. 2. Real Property Negotiations - Lehr Option Area. PAGB TBIRTBBB - CITY COUNCIL MINUTBS - NOVEMBER 22, 1994 THB CITY COUNCIL MEBTING WAS ADJOURNBD TO CLOSBD SBSSION AT 8:45 P.M. TO DISCUSS THB ABOVB MBBTIOBBD TOPICS. THB CITY COUNCIL MEBTING WAS RBCOlNUBD AT 9:28 P.M. NO ACTION TAKBN. ,...... ADJOURBMBBT MOVBD BY WASHBURN, SBCONDBD BY BRINLBY AND CARRIBD BY UKABIMOUS VOTB TO ADJOURN THB REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEBTING AT 9:28 P.M. 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