HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-11-1995 City Council Minutes
MINUTES
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
183 NORTH MAIN STREET
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA
TUESDAY, APRIL 11, 1995
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CALL TO ORDER
The Regular city council Meeting was called to order by Mayor
Washburn at 7:02 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Mayor Pro Tem Bender.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
COUNCILMEMBERS: ALONGI, BENDER, BRINLEY, PAPE,
WASHBURN
ABSENT:
COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE
Also present were: City Manager Molendyk, City Attorney Harper,
city Planner LeSlie, Chief Building Official Russell, Community
services Director Sapp, Public Services Dire~tor Tecca, Manager of
Special Projects Watenpaugh and City Clerk Y.dsad.
PRESENTATIONS/CEREMONIALS
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A. Presentation - Lake Elsinore Chapter - American Association of
Retired Persons.
Louis Stark, President, Lake Elsinore Chapter of A.A.R.P.,
announced that they will be holding a Senior Day at the
Ballpark, on April 30th for the 2: 05 p.m. game. Ha noted that
this is a cooperative effort wi th the senior groups in
Wildomar and Temecula. He f~rther noted that as seniors they
also maintain their responsibility to assist yo'mg people
where possible.
Alice Hendershot further commented on the Senior Day and
advised that the proceeds of the event will benefit the local
Head Start program. She encouraged everyone to participate.
Mr. Stark advise~ that information can be obtained through the
Senior Center or the Community Center. He requested that the
Council proclaim Senior Day at the Ballpark to help promote
their effort.
PUBLIC COMMENTS - AGENDIZED ITEMS
Requests were received to address the folloving items:
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Item No. 23, 24 and 25.
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MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY PAPE AND CARRIED BY A VOTE OP 4 TO 1
WITH ALONGI CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT
CALENDAR AS PRESENTED.
Councilman Alongi requested that the Consent Calendar be reopened
to allow for discussion.
MOVED BY BENDER, SECONDED BY ALONGI TO REOPEN DISCUSSION ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR. THE MOTION FAILED BY A VOTE OF 2 TO 3 WITH
BRINLEY, PAPE AND WASHBURN CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTES.
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1. The following Minutes were approved:
(F:44.4)
a. Special City Council Meeting - March 24, 1995.
The following Minutes were received and ordered filed:
b. Planning Commission Meeting - March 15, 1995.
(F: 60.3)
c. Planning commission Study Session - March 15, 1995.
d. Design Review Committee Meeting - March 15, 1995.
(F:60.4)
e. Special Design Review Committee Meeting - March 20, 1995.
2. Received and ordered filec the Building A~tivity Report for
March, 1995 . (F : 32 . 2 )
3. Received and ordered filed the Code Enforcement Activity
Report for February/March, 1995. (F:54.1)
4.
Received and ordered filed the Investment Report for February
28, 1995. (F:12.5)
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5. Ratified Warrant List for March 31, 1995. (F:12.3)
6. Rejected and referred to Cla:t'1l.s Administrator the Claim
Against the city submitted on behalf of C.P. Construction,
Inc. (CL #95-3)i and authorized city Clerk to send rejection
letter. (F:52.2)
7. Approved Business License Application for Kumar Ice Cream to
operate an ice cream truck within the City limits. The
license covers one truck and one driver and is for sale of ice
cream product only. The applicant will not sell in and around
schools, but in residential neighborhoods between the hours of
11: 00 a.m. and 7: 00 p.m. The applicant will not stop on major
collection streets, such as Machado, Graham, Riverside Drive,
Lakeshore, etc. (Fi34.1)
8. Awarded Contract for Illinois Street Improvements and
Yarborough Park Alley Improvements to Hillcrest Contracting,
Inc. in the amount of $37,562.70. (F:114.8)
9. Adopted Resolution No. 95-21 relatinq to Desiqnation of
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10. Adopted Resolution No. 95-22 regarding Public Employees
Retirement System (P.E.R.S.) procedures. (F:116.3)
RESOLUTION NO. 95-22
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
DELEGATING AUTHORITY FOR P.E.R.S. APPLICATIONS.
,-... 11. Adopted Resolution No. 95-23 Establishing Parking Prohibitions
for Boat Trailers on Lakeshore Drive and other streets near
the Boat Launching site. (F:112.1)
RESOLUTION NO. 95-23
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE,
ESTABLISHING NO PARKING ZONES ON CERTAIN STREETS.
12. Approved the following Cost Recoveries for Abatement and
authorized the placing of special lien against the annual tax
bill through the Riverside County Tax Collectors Office:
(F:32.4)
a. 410 N. Langstaff - Marvin & Cheryl Wright - $559.20.
b. 1160 Park Way - Manuel Leal - $1,834.20.
c. 31942 Mission Trail -Misc. L.E. Partners - $622.32.
d. 219 North Riley - 1st National Bank of Chicago -
$1,184.20.
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13. Approved Final Tract Map 24490 for Cent ex Homes, accepted
Dedications and authorized the City Clerk to sign the map and
arrange for recordation. (F:160.2)
14. Accepted Notice of Completion for the Yarborough Park Adeition
from the Hondo Company, Inc. and authorized recordation.
(Fil14.8)
15. Accepted Notice of Completion for Slurry Sealing of
Miscellaneous Streets and Parking Lots from California
Pavement Maintenance Company, Inc. (Fi156.1)
16. Approved Public Hearing date of April 25, 1995, for Zone Code
Amendment 95-1 initiated by the City of Lake Elsinore;
relating to the Residential Agricultural Development
Standards. (F:172.2)
PUBLIC HEARINGS
21. Amendment of MuniciDal Code to add Procedures and Reauirements
for the Consideration of DeveloDment
Aareements.(F:60.1) (X:104.1)
Mayor Washburn noted that staff has requested a continuance of
this item.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY PAPE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO
CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO APRIL 25, 1995.
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22. Public Hearina on the ProDosed Vacation of a Portion of
Saaecrest Drive and Canvon View Drive - Resolution No. 95-24.
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RESOLUTION NO. 95-24, ACCEPT THE LOT DEDICATION FROM LOMAS
MANAGEMENT AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY CLERK TO RECORD BOTH DOCUMENTS.
RESOLUTION NO. 95-24
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE,
CALIFORNIA, FOR THE VACATION OF PORTIONS OF SAGECREST DRIVE
AND CANYON VIEW DRIVE AND SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING THEREON.
23. Hearing of Obiections to A9proved Removal of Weeds. Rubbish.
Refuse and Dirt. (F:166.1)
City Manager Molendyk explained this item and highlighted the
Weed Abatement process.
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Mayor Washburn opened the public hearing at 7:15 p.m. asking
those persons interested in this item to speak. The following
people spoke:
Harry Beaker, 1047 Ranel Drive, Burbank, advised that he has
two lots involved in this process the first is currently under
water on Highway 74 and the other is on Dwan Drive and very
steep. He indicated that he was formerly allowed to clear
only 30 feet from the property line, but this year is required
to clear the entire lot. He requested the name of the
contractor who has agreed to contract with individuals for $30
per lot, and stressed the he would prefer to avoid the $250
administrative costs.
Doris Breeze indicated that she was representing her elderly
parents who own property near Baker street and Turnbull. She
indicated that their property is entirely landlocked and the
adj acent owner has refused them access. She further indicated
that she did not feel it was fair to require that they clear
the property when they cannot obtain access to do so. She
noted a billing received last year and indicated that they did __
not receive preliminary notices last year. She requested
consideration for the location of the property and removal of
the property from the weed abatement process. She presented
a letter detailing the location and concerns.
Walter Thompson indicated that he has two pieces of property,
each 30' x 100 ' off of Riverside Drive and currently under
water. He indicated that he came from Oregon remove the
weeds, but discovered that was not possible due to the water.
He indicated that the previous program there was a billing for
less than one acre, however now he is billed for two
individual parcels at double the cost.
Mariana Mohylyn, 305 W. Sumner, expressed concern with the
Weed Abatement program and suggested that it be discussed with
the property owners at a Study Session.
Mayor Washburn referred to speakers to staff for resolution of
their concerns.
Hearing no additional comments, the public hearing was closed
at 7:25 p.m.
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section 31602 requires that the determination that a dog is
vicious and subject to impoundment be made pursuant to either
a peti tion to the Municipal Court or to the ci ty wi th
jurisdiction, subject to appeal to the Municipal Court. He
noted that Council has been provided a petition and supporting
data requesting that the City Council determine that the one
male chow and one female chow owned by Bob and Fauna Graham,
29078 Palm View, be deemed potentially dangerous. He stated
that this program is administered by L.E.A.F. and he called
upon their representative to address Council.
willa Bagwell, representing L.E.A.F., explained that there are
three chows in question, a male, a female and a 6 month old
puppy; and the two adults have been involved in three reported
dog bites. She noted that the dogs have been running loose
and terrorizing the neighborhood. She stated that for the
purposes of public safety it is suggested that the dogs be
confined to a kennel that is padlocked, constructed of
chain1ink to a size of 9' X 6' and "Beware of Dog" signs
posted. Ms. Bagwell stated that the owners do not seem to
feel that this is a problem.
Mayor Washburn opened the public hearing at 7: 28 p.m. and
asked those persons interested in this item to speak. The
following persons spoke:
Bob Graham (owner of the dog), 29078 Palm View, stated that
they would like to have their dogs back at any cost. He
explained that the problem was that a neighbor's children make
illegal entry to their yard and release the dogs while they
are not at home and during that time they were loose. He
refuted all the charges against his dogs and gave an
explanation for each incident. He stated that one of the
children in question had made entry into the yard uninvited
and tried to pet the dogs and the dog reacted to a stranger in
his face. He then presented pictures of the yard to the
Council.
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Fauna Graham, 29078 Palm View, stated that she is a teacher
and explained that entry to the back yard can only be done by
going over the fence or through the house or garage. She
explained that the child that was bitten had made entry
through the garage a day that she was home sick, and since the
child had been throwing rocks at the dogs, the female did bite
him, but he was the one who let the dogs loose. She stated
that they have only lived in the house for a year and every
time that the dogs got loose, they did not bite anyone nor did
they tear up a cat. She stated that her dogs are not
dangerous.
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Sanders Family, 20979 Palm View. Nicole Sanders explained
that she was helping to tie up the dogs and one of them bit
her. She explained that she was told that the reason that the
dogs bite is because they can't see through the fence. She
further explained that her mother told her not to go back over
to the Graham's house because of the dogs. Mrs. Sanders
explained that in September the dogs were running loose from
late mornina until the children came home from school. She
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who lives next door to the Grahams, babysits her children.
She told of the time that she witnessed the dogs loose and the
fact that when she chased them from Ms. Williams yard, they
were growling at her and she stated that she has never seen
the dogs bite, but she does not want to take a chance on her
children being bit. She stated that her children play with
the Graham's children and she feels that they are a good
family, but she does not want to take a chance on the dogs
being loose and hurting one of her children.
Susan Williams, 29080 Palm View, explained that she is the
mother of Bryce Williams and gave an overview of the biting
incident when he was bitten. She stated that her son did not
make entry into the garage, but rather one of the Graham's
children went into the garage and the dogs followed. She
stated that when her son bent down to pet the puppy the female
chow bit him several times. Ms. Williams stated that the dogs
have broken through her fence into her yard several times and
that she did witness the male chow mauling a cat. She stated
she has spoken to the Grahams and did inform them about the
cat.
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Marie Farrell, 29082 Palm View, stated that she lives next
door to the Williams' house and that she felt that Bryce
deserved to be bitten because he has aggravated the dogs. She
stated that because of the abuse and teasing that Bryce has
done to her dogs one of them has had to be medicated and she
and her husband have had to put up double fencing to keep him
away from their dogs. She explained that she feels that he
deserved to be bitten.
L.C. Graham, 29078 Palm View, stated that there is another dog
in the neighborhood that looks exactly like their white chow
and that it was not their dog who mauled the cat, it was the
other dog that did that. She asked where L.E.A.F. gets the
authority to enter private property and take the dogs.
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Ron Hendrix, 29074 Palm View, stated that he has never teased
the dogs, and his cat was attacked. He further stated that at
least five people had witnessed the Graham's chow dog with his
cat in its mouth and tried to get the dog to release the cat.
He stated that it was three days before the cat came home and
another two weeks before the cat could walk on its own without
limping. He noted that on Christmas Eve the dogs were loose
and as a consequence he left a note on the door of the
Grahams' residence explaining that he was afraid for the
children in the neighborhood and his feelings regarding the
dogs.
Ms. McCabe, 29083 Palm View, stated that she nor her little
boy have ever had trouble with the dogs. She stated that she
has helped to put the dogs back in the yard and they have
never bitten her. She indicated that she does not feel that
the dogs are dangerous.
Mayor Washburn closed the pUblic hearing at 7:49 p.m.
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and a few days later L.E.A.F. received a call that the dogs
were running loose again. She further explained that she had
called Mr. Graham and informed him that they would be there to
pick the dogs up to take them to the animal shelter in order
to enforce quarantine and Mr. Graham refused. Ms. Bagwell
stated that they went in with the police and removed the dogs
for public safety, at the time of removal it was noted that
the dogs who were ordered to be kept in the kennel, had been
loose in the back yard and the kennel is not secure to
maintain them. She explained that they must be confined in a
secure kennel with a top to prevent climbing out, wi th a
padlock on the gate.
city Attorney Harper explained that after a bite, there is a
public health police power that the City has to quarantine
dogs for rabies. He explained that this is what occurred with
police assistance.
Councilwoman Brinley asked how many times was L.E.A.F. called
out regarding these dogs. Ms. Bagwell explained that they had
been called 5 or 6 times. Councilwoman Brinley asked what the
attitude of the owners was when they were contacted.
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Animal Control Officer Bochelle stated that the attitude of
the dog owners is that they do not believe that the dogs are
aggressive out on the streets. She explained that they are a
problem and when she made contact and told them that the fence
must be repaired, the dogs would be loose again a few days
later. She explained that Animal Control could be out
patrolling and not know if the dogs were at home since they
roam quite a distance from their yard. She stated that most
of the time the Grahams were not at home so the officers would
door tag to let the owners know that the dogs had been
reported out of their yard and that their fence needed
repair. She stated that they have been out and are aggressive
when they are out.
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Councilwoman Brinley asked if Officer Brochelle had witnessed
the aggressive behavior. Officer Brochelle stated that when
she went to impound the dogs, the only way she could was with
the help of the Graham children. She stated that when she
noted how aggressive the dogs became on a leash when being
handled by the children she made a decision to handle them
with catch-aIls because she feared for the children.
Councilwoman Brinley asked what a catch-all is. Officer
Bochelle stated that it is a hard leash made of cable which
goes around the neck and the handle is made of metal which
allows the officer to keep the animal away from them for
safety. Councilwoman Brinley requested confirmation that even
the Graham's children could not handle the dog on a leash.
Officer Brochelle stated that they felt that, since they did
not want to go with the officer, that they would even turn on
the child that was handling them. She explained that the
Animal Control Officers could not catch the dogs since they
would stay at least a block away and that they used the child
to call them so they could capture them on the porch.
Councilwoman Brinley asked, if when the Grahams were contacted
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Councilwoman Brinley noted that they had received a letter
from Mrs. Chris McColley stating her concern regarding the
aggressiveness of the dogs.
Councilman Alongi noted the history of the animals and Ms.
Bagwell confirmed each item. Councilman Alongi asked what
type of confinement is provided for the dogs. Ms. Bagwell
explained the site where the dogs are kept and stated that it
was not properly secure to confine the animals. He asked what
L.E.A.F.'s recommendation would be. Ms. Bagwell stated that
they are asking that the dogs be kept confined, and signs
posted. She explained that she did not feel that children
should be allowed in the back yard with the dogs and if the
dogs are allowed to run loose again, then they should be
picked up and destroyed for public safety. Councilman Alongi
asked if the dogs are kept for breeding purposes. Ms. Bagwell
stated that she would suppose so and noted that the female has
had two litters and is pregnant now. Councilman Alongi asked
about the timing of the quarantine. Ms. Bagwell stated that
they had several calls regarding the dogs running loose, but
this has been the first report of bites until they went to
quarantine the dogs; and then they found out from the
neighbors about the other bites. The neighbors indicated that
they like the Grahams and did not want to cause them a
problem.
Councilman Pape requestp.d clarification of the need to seize
the dogs after they had been quarantined. He then asked about
the kennel and asked if it was adequate. Ms. Bagwell
explained that the kennel is cement with the sides being wood,
of which one side is the front yard fence, one side the side
yard fence shared with a neighbor, one side the garage and one
side facing the back yard which is the gate which is a board
and is not secure which they jump on and go over the fence.
Councilman Pape asked if they were going through the fence as
well. Ms. Bagwell stated confirmed. Councilman Pape
requested clarification that L.E.A.F. is suggesting chainlink
to secure the kennel area with a top. Ms. Bagwell stated that
was correct, for public safety.
Mayor Pro Tem Bender asked Mr. Graham if both he and his wife
are at work during the day. Mr. Graham confirmed. Mayor Pro
Tem Bender commented on some of the incidents discussed, and
asked if they happened when the children were home and asked
if there was a babysitter. Mr. Graham stated that the
children are at home fc= 1/2 hour by themselves, until they
arrive home. Mrs. Graham stated that the incidents have not
occurred when the children are at home and stated that they
have done improvements to the kennel as L.E.A.F. has required
and pointed out that they have presented pictures to prove
that point. Mayor Pro Tem Bender acknowledged the pictures
and stated that there is a lot of testimony in the Agenda Item
and asked the Grahams if they felt that all the persons are in
error. Mrs. Graham stated that their dogs have only been out
of the yard about 4 times and they go right back to the yard
when they get loose. She refuted the claims that her dogs
have been loose and stated that it is a Chow that looks like
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stated that she thought it might be under the fence since that
was before the Grahams cemented in that ~rea. Mayor Pro Tem
Bender commented that dogs and kids mix part of the time and
pointed out the different ways a dog might react at different
times. He stated that there is evidence that the dogs have
roamed and it is frightening to some people to see dogs
running loose and it is the responsibility of the owners to
contain their dogs. He explained that he has heard many
people state that their dogs never bite, but that is until the
first bite and he does not feel that can be ignored. It is
the responsibility of the owner to protect other people from
the dogs if they wish to have them.
Councilwoman Brinley stated that four times Animal Control
made contact through notes left on the door and she stated
that as adults we are responsible for our animals; and noted
that the part that concerns her is the fact that when the
animal was in quarantine there was a lack of responsibility to
make sure that the dogs maintained that quarantine. She
pointed out the pain associated with the necessary medication
if a person has received a dog bite and must receive the
rabies shots if the dog disappears.
Councilman Alongi stated that the City has had this problem
before and if the Council wishes to see the dogs returned to
the owners, he would like to see the owners be made to buy a
separate kennel, cemented, with a cover on it, away from any
exterior fence of that property so the dogs cannot get out and
get to the gate to unlock it. He further stated that if the
dogs escape again then he suggests that they be put down.
Councilman Pape stated that there should be some time limit on
meeting the conditions for a kennel, since the city does not
want to have the dogs on the loose. He stated that two weeks
should give them enough time to comply with the requirements
which would be the concrete pad, cement block and chainlink
fencing to secure the animals with L.E.A.F. making an
inspection before the dogs are released.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY PAPE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO
REQUIRE THAT THE OWNER OF THE DOGS BUILD A DOG RUN, WITH CEMENT
FOOTINGS, MADE OF CHAIN LINK WITH A PADLOCKED GATE AND A TOP OVER
THE ENTIRE PEN; AND ALLOW TEN DAYS TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, WITH A
MANDATORY INSPECTION BY L.E.A.F. OFFICERS TO MARE SURE IT MEETS ALL
REGULATIONS AND CODES FOR ANIMAL CONTROL BEFORE THE DOGS ARE
RELEASED TO THE OWNERS; AND SHOULD THE DOGS AGAIN RUN LOOSE THEY
WILL BE TAREN INTO CUSTODY, PLACED IN QUARANTINE AND DESTROYED.
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Councilman Alongi stated that for the benefit of the children
that were bitten, one comment was made that he does not feel
was appropriate which was "A child should be bitten if it
teases the dog" , and he explained that it is the
responsibility of the dog owner to know their dogs and the
type of dogs that they own. He further explained that he
feels that no matter what a child does they do not deserve to
get bitten or beat up.
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A six foot (6') high masonry wall or decorative block
wall shall be constructed along the side and rear
property lines and shall conform to Section 17.14.080
(Fences and Walls) and section 17.14.130 (Design Review
single family residential) of the Lake Elsinore Municipal
Code.
He explained that the applicant is proposing the build wood
fencing along the rear and side property lines, not visible to
the public right-of-way and fencing adjacent to the public
right-of-way would be masonry block wall. He explained that __
the wood fencing that the applicant proposes is the similar to
what the Planning Commission has recommended with the
exception that instead of using steel posts, the applicant
would use wood posts. He noted that the wood fencing that the
applicant proposes is similar to the wood fencing used in
projects nearby. City Manager Molendyk stated that it has
come to staff's attention that the intent is not to see wood
fencing from the public right-of-way.
City Attorney Harper stated that it is hard to place this in
a context of overall, ongoing, hopefully resolved dispute of
the project. He explained that when Inco Homes purchased the
project, which had gone fallow and had delinquent in taxes,
brought the taxes current and began developing the property.
He noted that there had been a misunderstanding that the
potential of some portions of the project were going to be
funded through a subsequent bond issue in that Communi ty
Facilities District. He explained that as that turns out, the
disagreement was somewhat moot, since the project was not able
to generate the volume that the amount of bonds would be
anticipated for that project. City Attorney Harper stated
that because of the idea, that Inco Homes purchased the
property under the impression that they would have $700,000 in
off-sites which would be funded through the Community ~
Facilities District tax. He explained that the absence of
those funds has made the project very difficult for them
economically and they have approached the City on that basis.
He noted that Staff has spent a great deal of time with Inco
trying to assist in advising them financially without having
an effect on City budgets. He stated that staff has reached
a conceptual agreement on the things that staff would not have
any problem with either recommending or the Council making a
decision about. City Attorney Harper explained that the
fencing is one of those items. He noted that Inco Homes
acknowledges that the ultimate decision is up to the City
Council and that is why they are here.
Mayor Washburn then called upon the applicant to address this
item.
Fred Farr, Land Development Manager for Inco Homes, 250 E.
Rincon Ave., Corona, stated that his company is appealing
Condition No. 28, which calls for block walls and there is a
provision in the Municipal Code which allows the Council to
approve fencing materials other than block wall. He explained
that the staff report is confusing since his company has
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Mr. Farr stated that they are proposing several different
treatments, along Lakeshore and Grand there would be block
wall to match the Cent ex detail, south of Broadway on Grand is
existing block wall and explained the areas that Inco proposed
to place in block. He noted that in the front yards and in
the interior rear and side yard it is being proposed to be a
box frame wood fence which is a standard detail his company
builds on all their projects in Southern California. Mr. Farr
explained that staff has an overlapping fence with the steel
posts and what they are proposing in lieu of that, is the box
frame wood fence with wood posts. He stated that he feels
that this is a good compromise and asked that Council approve
their request.
Mayor Pro Tem Bender stated that he understands Planning
Commission's considerations and decisions since it is their
intent to upgrade the City, but he does understand that block
in the side and rear yards is very aggressive, however he does
feel that the Planning commission is correct in the use of
treated wood and steel posts since it is more durable. He
asked if other projects that are being proposed have the same
stipulation as Inco Homes.
City Planner Leslie stated that there have been other
proj ects, but this is the most recent proj ect to require
treated wood and steel posts.
Councilwoman Brinley stated that when she was on Planning
commission she was involved in the decisions to use steel
posts and does gi ve longer wear and better support. She
explained that the treatment of the wood is to address the
extreme weather conditions in the area. She stated that Inco
Homes is not the first project to be conditioned with this,
but they will be the first project to install this type of
fencing.
Councilman Pape asked if the fencing at the model is
temporary. Mr. Farr stated that the installed fencing at the
models was allowed to be placed until this appeared before
Council for approval. Councilman Pape stated that one of the
stipulations is that the wood fencing not be visible from the
public right-of-way and the elevation on those lots are very
visible from Lakeshore and he suggested that all lots that
have a higher elevation not use wood fencing since the rear
yards from Grand would be visible and should use block or
slump stone walls.
Mr. Farr explained that there will be houses and lots behind
the models and the elevations are 9.9', which will block the
great majority of the view and his Company will be
constructing a 6' decorative block wall and the houses along
Lakeshore will obscure the view of any wood fencing. He
stated that until such time as the power poles are relocated
and the block wall is constructed they would be happy to paint
the fence to match the future wall. Councilman Pape stated
that he just wanted to be sure that the wood fencing is not
visible from Lakeshore Drive since it does get a lot of
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wall and he explained that this is the only jurisdiction that
has requested the use of metal posts. He noted the
surrounding projects and stated that none of them have used
ateel posts. He noted that due to the problems wi th the
Community Facilities District, the cost of fencing is one of
the considerations they are asking Council for.
Councilman Alongi stated that it was his understanding that
when the ordinance was adopted, the block walls would go along
major streets and not the interior. He explained that he did
agree with Mr. Farr regarding the steel posts and stated that
wood posts would stay in the ground as long as metal posts if
they are properly treated. He further explained that to mix
materials would not be very eye appealing; it is an additional
expense that he feels that the contractor should not have to
meet and if the Council wishes to change the specifications on
the fencing, then they should go back and change that area of
the ordinance which does not specify steel posts. Councilman
Alongi stated that he feels that the builder is doing what he
is required to do and he does see where the additional block
walls would block the project from public view, but he does
not feel that it is clear in the ordinance to take that
action. He stated that he does not see a problem with wood
posts, since he has fences that he built 25 years ago that are
still standing. Councilman Alongi explained that as far as
maintenance is concerned, that is up to the person who buys
the property and it is their responsibility to maintain them.
He noted that he does not like to see redwood or cedar
painted, he likes to see it natural, but it is a personal
preference. He stated that he feels that Council is going
down the wrong road and giving the wrong signals to the
developers.
Mayor Washburn stated that in review of the submitted request,
he felt that it was a fair situation. He stated that in some
of the homes that would block the rear yards that were higher
including lots 1, 2, and 3, he would like to see a condition
which would address at least lots 1 & 2. He further stated
that if at that time the view from Lakeshore Drive is a wood
fence, then other materials agreed upon by the Planning staff
would eliminate the wood fence being visible from Lakeshore
Drive. Mayor Washburn explained that he felt that the overall
plan was a good approach. He agreed with Councilman Alongi
that there are other posts which can be used, but they would
be just as expensive as the steel posts. He asked that the
motion include that prior to the final of the homes the
Planning staff will look at the type of materials and stressed
that they should be the treated type.
Councilman Alongi asked if it might be better to review some
other type of fence with a more decorative look.
Councilman Pape stated that he could accept a 4 X 4 post if
were treated with something that would assure that they would
stand up to weather and last longer, because he does like the
style of fence that is being proposed. He stated that the
type of fence proposed does last longer and if it can be
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Councilwoman Brinley asked for clarification regarding the
steel posts. Mayor Washburn stated that it would depend on
the motion as to what is called for.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY WASHBURN AND CARRIED BY A 4 TO 1 VOTE
WITH ALONGI CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO APPROVE CONDITION NO. 28
TO READ AS FOLLOWS:
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28. A 6' high box frame wood fence with galvanized steel
posts (consistent with city's fencing standard as
recommended by the Planning Commission) may be
constructed in areas not visible and/or not adjacent to
the public right-of-way, with lots 1 & 2 to use block
wall instead of wood fencing, as well as decorative block
wall along Lakeshore Drive and Grand Avenue consistent
with the existing decorative block wall on Grand Avenue.
All other fencing visible from public right-of-way shall
be block wall.
BUSINESS ITEMS
None.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS RECESSED AT 8:40 P.M.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 10:06 P.M.
PUBLIC COMMENTS - NON-AGENDIZED ITEMS
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Chris Hyland, 15191 Wavecrest, commented that she was appalled
listening to the tapes of the last meeting. She indicated that in
her opinion, based on documentation, there is no room for the other
four Councilmembers to make a mockery of Councilman Alongi. She
questioned the talent, success and professionalism of those
Councilmembers and commented on each of them. She indicated that
Councilmembers Bender and Pape would be served with recall notices
in the near future and suggested that a clean sweep including the
City Manager should occur.
Mariana Mohylyn, 305 W. Sumner, indicated that she was pleased to
hear the City has $1 million set aside, when it was previously
poor. She questioned dollars available for economic development
and noted a letter from Norm Davidson at the Economic Development
Agency requesting that the City waive its required fees to allow
the renovation of her property to proceed. She asked that the
Council provide this assistance.
Lorraine Sostre, stated that on February 14, 1995, Councilman
Alongi participated and voted on an item concerning the Historic
Overlay District because he wanted the zoning restrictions lifted;
and on the next day his property appeared on the Design Review
Commi ttee Agenda. She noted that this appears to be a clear
violation of the Conflict of Interest provisions of the FPPC and
further noted that on May 31, 1994, he participated in discussion
regarding the Red Lion Agreement and during Council Comments on
March 28, 1995, Councilman Alongi stated "After I voted on it I got
to think, let me write to the FPPC and lets see what they have to
PAGE FOURTEEN - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - APRIL 11, 1995
Councilman Alongi stated that he did not own the property and
yet in his letter to the FPPC he tells them he does. Ms.
Sostre stated that the Political Reform Act was adopted by the
voters of the state of California to insure that public
officials, whether elected or appointed, would perform their
duties in an impartial manner, free from bias caused by their
own financial interest or the financial interest of the
persons who have supported them. She quoted the section
regarding Conflict of Interest and stated that the public can
call the Enforcement Division of the FPPC and ask them to
investigate this matter. __
CITY MAHAGER COMMENTS
None.
CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS
Councilman Alongi commented on the following:
1) Addressed Ms. Sostre and stressed that the indicator for
a decision to vote is financial gain. He suggested that
if she feels he has done something wrong, she should go
to the Attorney General, let him investigate and get the
discussion over with.
2) Noted that he received a letter from Mr. & Mrs. Dennis at
Tiffany's Hallmark, regarding the Lakeshore Drive
Detour.
3) Thanked Jeannie Corral for her letter and stressed the
importance of input to the Council from residents.
4)
Explained that in the past he has asked that people be
allowed to sign up for weed abatement for their lots
since we have a contractor who will abate the lots for
$30. He stated that the City could turn the names over
to the contractor and the contractor could follow-up with
the property owner. He noted that the City Attorney
could put something together which would allow the City
to do that. He pointed out that the Ci ty is still
somewhat rural and does need this service.
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5) Addressed Council Policy regarding the right to make a
statement on any agenda item and the policy does not give
the Mayor the right to take the vote and then declare it
done without asking for comment. He explained that he
did not want to accuse the Mayor of rushing the meeting,
but it was advertised that the Council Meeting would not
be televised and when he inquired he was told by the
General Manager that he was informed that it was going to
be a short meeting. He stated that he had informed the
General Manager that as long as he (Councilman Alongi)
was sitting on Council no one could know how long the
meeting will go. He pointed out to the General Manager
that part of the franchise is to televise the meetings,
not to determine the length of the meetings. He stressed
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Consent Calendar were: Code Enforcement, questioned the
report b~cause of the amount of trash listed and is CR &
R picking up all the trash; Business License Application
for an ice cream truck and pointed out that there are no
pictures and he wanted to know what he was voting on;
Contract awarded to Illinois street and questioned that
all the contractors are bidding on the same things so
that the Council does not get change orders; Parking
Prohibition, and questioned that ability to park in a
recreational area; Cost Recovery for Abatement,
questioned the amounts charged and did the City go to bid
on these properties. He stated that there should be an
opportunity to bring these items before the Council to
clarify the issues and be sure that what is being voted
on is answered in full. He explained that the Mayor
knows that there are always items on the Agenda that he
pulls and he felt that the Mayor should have the courtesy
to ask the whole Council if there is anything that they
wished pulled.
7)
Apologized to Chairman Pape for being out of order. He
explained that he is interested in the area and the issue
is very important to him. He stated that if Councilman
Bender wants harmony and progress on this Council, each
of the Council has to recognize the priorities of each
other and if that is not done there will never be a
Council that will work together.
Councilman Pape commented on the following:
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Announced the Easter Egg Hunt scheduled for Saturday,
April 15th at Summer lake Park near Terra Cotta Junior
High School.
2) Noted the difficulty of the decision regarding the
Lakeshore Drive Bridge Detour. He indicated that he
could see both sides and while he knew the benefit to the
businesses, he also knows there is a concern for the
necessary dollars.
1)
Councilwoman Brinley commented on the following:
1) Addressed the Lakeshore Drive Detour and stressed that it
comes down to dollars and cents.
2) Reminded the Community of the Easter Sunrisc~ Service
which will start at 6: 00 a. m. and nvted that people
should arrive by 5:30 a.m. to allow fer. parking. She
noted that there is also a Sunrise Service ~~ing held at
Elsinore High School for which informa~iun can be
obtained from Pastor Duncan.
3) Noted that the Boat Launch is open and hoped for much
activity over the Easter Break.
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4)
Indicated that there are problems with traffic on Chaney
Street at the Sumner Street stop sign, and an increasing
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Mayor Washburn commented on the following:
1) Concurred that the potholes on Chaney street should be
addressed.
2)
Noted an event held last week as part of the Make a
Difference Campaign; which assisted high school juniors
in making an effective presentation for job applications.
He indicated that the business community instructed the
students on filling out the application, proper attire,
etc.
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3) Reiterated that the Boat Launch is open, and noted that
it is one of the few in operation at this time.
4) Announced that there will be a newspaper recycling
contest between the cities of Perris, Lake Elsinore and
Temecula; which will coincide with Earth Week activities.
He indicated that the Community should watch for further
announcements and information.
5) Addressed Councilman Alongi and stressed that he speaks
for himself and residents should judge hi.s comments
independently of the other Councilmembers. H9 requested
that Councilman Alongi tone down his comments during the
election period.
CLOSED SESSION
None.
ADJOURNMENT
MOVED BY WASHBURN, SECONDED
TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR CITY
BY PAPE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS
COUNCIL MEETING AT 10:35 P.M.
~~f7~2bYOR
CI~OF LAKE ELSINORE
VOTE
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VICKI ~~1Y CLERK
CITY OF LAK~L E"'SINORE