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HomeMy WebLinkAbout09-24-1996 City Council MinutesMINUTES TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 1996 xxxasxa~txxxx*wwa**x~ew**rea*~ek*~x~exx~e~txfes~tfe~txaxxa*~xaw~wa**rea***x**xxa~*x~~*x~** CALL TO ORDER The Regular City Council Meeting was called to order by Mayor Pape at 7:00 p.m. PLEDGE OF ALLEGLANCE The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Councilman Metze. REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ~LSINORE, CALIFORNIA ROLL CALL PRESENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: ALONGI, BRINLEY, KELLEY, METZE, PAPE ABSENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE Also present were: City Manager Molendyk, Assistant City Manager Watenpaugh, City Attorney Harper, Administrative Services Director Boone, Community Development Director Leslie, Community Services Director Sapp, City Engineer ODonnell, and City Clerk Kasad. PRESENTATIONS a. Presentation - Recognition of Lake Elsinore Storm - 1996 California Lea~ue Champions. (F:56.1) Mayor Pape introduced Kevin Haughian and 7oe Urso. He read and presented a Proclamation to the City to the Lake Elsinore Storm Baseball Team. Mr. Haughian commented on winning the championship, and e~cpressed appreciation for the Proclamation. He noted that this was a special group of guys to work with and stressed the difficulty of a league win. He expressed appreciation for the support and friendship of the Council, City Staff and the Community. Fie noted that the team has lived with area families and stressed the support of the Community for the team; and the enthusiasm of the fans and the team this year. Mayor Pape presented the Key to the City of Lake Elsinore to player 7oe Urso. 7oe Urso thanked the City for the facility and noted the credit which should go to the fans. He thanked the Community for the assistance in housing the baseball players. He stressed the team's enjoyment of the Community and noted the players who are moving to the Community as residents. PUBLIC COMMENTS - AGENDIZED TTEMS Requests were received to address the following items and deferred to those discussions: ItemNos. 21 and33. CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY ALONGI AND CARRIEll BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED. PAGE TWO - CITY COUNCIL NIINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24, 1996 1. The following Minutes were approved: a. Regulaz City Council Meeting - September 10, 1996. (F:44.4) 2. Ratified Warrant List for September 13, 1996. (F:123) 3. Rejected and referred to Claims Administrator for handling, the Claim Against the City submitted by Samuel Williams (CL #96-20). (F:52.2) 4. Approved Proclamation recognizing California Rideshare Week, and authorized staffto transmit the signed document to the requestor. (F:122.1) PUBLIC HEARINGS 21. Assembly Bill 3229 - Citizen's Option for Public Safety Funding - Resolution No. 96-54. (F:96.1) City Manager Molendyk highlighted this item and explained the COPS program funding which has been made available through the State. Mayor Pape opened the public hearing at 7:10 p.m., asking those persons interested in this item to speak. The following person spoke: Mariana Mohylyn, 305 W, Sumner, expressed support for police programs, but expressed concern with people being questioned by police for no reason. Hearing no further requests to speak, the public hearing was closed at 7:11 p.m. Mayor Pro Tem Kelley noted that this funding would provide 1,350 hours of increased patrol. Councilman Metze concurred that this would increase the auailable hours and provide the necessary $60,000 to do so. MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY BRINLEY TO APPROVE TffiS APPLICATION AND ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 96-54: Mayor Pape noted that this was an obvious choice, and stressed that it is a quick process to collect the funds and apply them to the patrols. THE FOREGOING MOTION CARRIED BY UNANIMOU5 VOTEc RESOY.UTION NO. 96-54 A RESOLUTION OF THE C1TY COUNCIL OF T'HE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORN~A, APPROVING APPLICATION FOR AND ACCEPTANCE OF STATE FUNDING FROM THE "COPS" PROGRAM. Mayor Pape requested concurrence of the Council 4o add Item No. 35 regazding the Application for Crrant Funds from the Household Hazardous Waste Discretionary Grant Program. Hearing no objections, the rtem was added to the agenda. 31. Request for City Council Consideration of Proposed Resolution Establishin@ Recycling Market Development Zone within Portions of the City of Lake Elsinore - Resolution No. 96-55.(F:163.2) PAGE THREE - CITY COUNCIL MIlVUTES - 24,1996 City Manager Molendyk explained this program and the benefits to the Community for establishment of the recycling zone. He further explained that it is part of the Economic Development Program in cooperation with the County. MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY KELLEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 96-55 AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO TRANSMTT A COPY TO THE APPROPRiATE COUNTY OFFICE. RESOLUTION NO. 96-55 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, REQUESTING THAT THE CALIFORN~A INTEGRATED WASTE MANAGEMENT BOARD APPROVE THE REDESIGNATION OF THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY RECYCLING MARKET DEVELOPMENT ZONE TO INCLUDE PORTIONS OF THE C1TY OF LAKE ELSINORE. 32. Amendment of Snecial Events Ordinance No. 959, Section 5.73.080, #12 - Ordinance No ioi9. (~:ia~.a)~:isi.i~ City Manager Molendyk explained that this is proposed to help facility events such as the Lake Elsinore Classic event in November. MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY KELLEY TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NO. 1019 UPON FIItST READING BY TITLE ONLY: ORDINANCE NO. 1019 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFO1iNTA, REPEALINGITEM NO. 12 OF SECTION 5.73.080 OF THE LAKE ELSINORE MUNICIPAL CODE, RELATING TO SPECIAL EVENTS. UPON THE FOLLOWING ROLL CALL VOTE: AYES: COUNCILMEMBERS: ALONGI, BRINLEY, KELLEY, METZE, PAPE NOES: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE ABSENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE ABSTAIN: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE 33. Proposition 218 - Voter A~nroval for I.ocal Government Taxes. Limitation on Fees, Assessments. and Charges. Initiative Constitutional Amendment - Resolution No. 96-56. (F:96.1) City Manager Molendyk noted that this item was,intended to bring Proposition 218 to the attention of the public. He noted that in the most recent survey only 1 in 9 people are even aware of it. He explained the current process for imposing fees and taxes and the changes which would occur under the new proposition. He explained that the current fees which would be impacted is the $1.7 million which is used to maintaining Street lighting, landscaping and parks. He detailed other recent reductions in revenue. He noted the potential impacts on services, in relationship to these reductions. He noted the voting process proposed by the proposition and the potential for owners of lazger properties to have a controlling vote over the situation. Mariana Mohylyn, 305 W. Sumner, addressed property rights and ownership rights. She PAGE FOUR - CITY COUNCIL NIINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24, 1996 suggested instituting sensible policies, and stressed the right of property owners to choose their own destiny. She indicated that she does not believe that there will be reductions in services suggested and stressed the burden of taxes on the individuals. She indicated that the City has plenty of money, and recommended against Council voting in opposition to the proposition.. Ace Vallejos, 15231 Cobre Street, indicated that he will vote for Proposition 218, and expressed support for the right to vote on taxes. He suggested that everyone needs to start living within their means, and indicated that this proposition is the right thing to do. Kevin 7effries, commented that rrrisleading statements had been presented, and suggested that they were used as scare tactics. He explained his understanding of the initiative which will sunset the e~sting t~es, if not approved by the voters. He indicated that nothing will stop unmediately. He indicated that it is a lie that the parks will be lost unless the people don't support it. He stressed that this initiative gives the people a right to participate in the decisions on their property. He addressed assessments on bonds already committed to revenues and indicated that they aze exempted under specified circumstancea Dick Knapp, City Treasurer, indicated that he was disappointed that this item came out in the paper today with regard to shutting down lights and streets, and suggested that was "hogwash". He indicated that the comments are ridiculous, and intended to put pressure on the kids to pressure their pazents. He noted his recent memo to the Council on how to relieve the City of $1.8 million and indicated that he has received no`response. Chris Hyland, 15191 Wavecrest, noted her trip to Sacramento and her discussion with the 7arvis Taxpayers group. She expressed opposition to this agenda item and stressed that the citizens have a right to vote on taxes and how they are spent. She noted the news article today and the items to be eliminated; and indicated that she did not see a proposal to decrease the high end salary positions. She indicated that a huge staff will not be needed, and concurred with Mr. 7effries that the City Manager had made a false statement. She indicated that all voters will be able to vote and expressed concern with scare tactics for the Senior Citizens. She further indicated that this is the same as the School Bond issue, and indicated that it was not necessary to vote in the School Bond to provide more classrooms. MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY ALONGd TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 96- 56. Councilman Alongi indicated that there are two things wrong with this item. He commented that if the Council was concerned they should schedule a town hall meeting to discuss the facts. He further commented that he was elected and given certa°vi tools to work with, and if the Councilmembers can't work with those tools, they need to get off the Council. He indicated that he will support this action, but he was not sure rt would do much good. He concurred that the citizens have the right to choose what to pay for and noted that the government at all levels has hurt the community. Fie indicated that he was supporting this item to be unlted with the rest of the Council: Councilman Metze indicated that it was important to bring to the forefront that the large land holders who do not live here, some even out of the Country, could negate the vote of the homeowners. He indicated that while the proposltion is a good idea; it is poorly written and he cannot support the proposition. Mayor Pro Tem Kelley indicated that whether people agree with the proposition or not, there is an investment in the Community and a lot on the line. She stressed the responsibility of voters to be thoroughly educated on this issue, and noted that renters PAGE FIVE - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24,1996 have no vote on the taxes. She reiterated that the voters should carefully read the proposition before voting on it. . Councilwoman Brinley concuned that it is poorly written with many open ends. 5he stressed the potential impact on youth and recreation. Mayor Pape indicated in his mind this item was on the agenda to bring attention to the proposition He stressed that there are many items on the ballot this time and he wants to be sure that people are aware of what they are voting on. He noted the potential need for a special election next year if tlvs proposition is adopted. He stressed that two elections will be necessary if it is passed. He stressed that all voters can vote on the issue this November, but in the next election, the renters would be precluded from participating; and noted the potential impacts on mobile home pazk dwellers and apartment complex residents. He stressed that people with large plots of land will get many votes vs. The single family resident vote, and reiterated that this is different that one person one vote., He indicated that the only fee to be impacted within the City will be the Lighting and Landscape Maintenance District fee which averages about $8 a month. He detailed the facilities maintained by that fee and indicated that the people will need to decide on the value of the services provided. He noted that most cities will not be able to absorb that reduction in funds and the services will be impacted. He stressed that people need to be adequately informed before voting on this issue. He indicated that this was not intended as scare tactics, but the potential for staff reductions is realistic. He noted his surprise with the comments by an Ortega Pazk & Recreation District Boardmember, when the proposition could nearly cause them to cease to exist. He stressed that the decision is with the voters, as to whether they receive a worthwhile service for the funds expended. THE FOREGOING MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 96-56 CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. RESOLUTION NO. 96-56 A RESOLUTION OF THE C1TY COUNCILAF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNTA, OPPOSING PROPOSITION 218 "VOTER APPROVAL FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT TAXES. LIlVIITA'I'IONS ON FEES, ASSESSMENTS AND CHARGES. INTTiATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT." 34. Votin~ Delegate/Alternate - League of California Cities Annual Conference. (F:108.8) Mayor Pape noted this item and indicated that the Mayor typically serves as the delegate with the Mayor Pro Tem as the alternate. MOVED BY BRIlVLEY, SECONDED BY ALONGI AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO DESIGNATE MAYOR PAPE AS THE DELEGATE AND MAYOR PRO TEM KELLEY AS THE ALTERNATE. 35. Resolution Approvin t~ he A~plication for Grant Funds from the Household Hazazdous Waste Discretionary Grant Proeram to Develop and Maintain a Household Hazardous Waste Recovery Pro~ram.(I':163.1)(X:84.1) City Manager Molendyk explained,this item, including the funds which could be received and the deadline for submittal. Mayor Pape indicated that there is n~ down side to a potential grant of $120,000. MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY ALONGI AND CARRIED BY UNANTIVIOUS PAGE SIX - CITY COi7NCIL MIl~iUTES - SEPTEMBER 24,1996 VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 96-57: LiESOLUTION NO. 96-57 A RESOLUTION OF THE CTTY COUNCII. OF THE CiTY OF LAKE ELSINORE, APPROVING AN APPLICATION FOR GRANT FUNDS FROM THE CALdFORN~A HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE DISCRETIONARY GRANT 96/97 PROGRAM TO DEVELOP, MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE A HOUSEHOLD AA7.ARnOUS WQSTE PROGRAM: THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS RECESSED AT 7:45 P.M. THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 7:49 P.NY. PUBLIC COMMENTS - NON-AGENDIZED TTEMS Dick Knapp, City 'Preasurer, stated that he was going to make one comment on the shell game that the City is playing on the $55,000,000; and the interoffice memo that he generated last week. He further stated that he does not see why the City does not let the Stadium go, since it will save the City a lot of money. He noted that it would not go away, as the bank will turn around and either renegotiate with the team, who will have to pay the maintenance on the landscaping. He explained that from action at the meeting of September 12th, and based on the figures from December, 1995; for Bond issues A and B, the figures did not jive with the figures presented at the Meeting of the 12th and noted that there is $1.5 million difference between one report and the other. Mr. I{napp pointed out that the' $12,000,000 that was the additional on the $10,000,000 /~ for the Sta 'um, is up to $16,000,000 because we put a shell game on top of a shell game. He statedthat as City Treasurer his is concerned with these matters and now the City is talking about putting another shell game on $55,000,000. He stated that the people should sit down and take a good look at what is going on. He noted that on the boolcs right now, between CFD's and the RDA, the City owes over $150,000,000 which is a major chunk of change for a City of 27,000 people. He further noted that if the interest is included over the term of the loan, it is over $300,000,000 dollars. Mr. Knapp suggested that everyone "get real". 7ack Martin, Ink Sanity Tattoo, indicated that he was present to express his feelings on how he has been treated by the City. He commented that he does not ever tattoo minors, and stressed that he sells a service rather than a product. Ae indicated that since he began trying to open in May, he has found no one agauist the Yattooing business. He stressed that he is not runTring an adult business. He expressed concern with the losses he has accumulated in 4his process. He noted that the only negative comments he has heard have come from City Hall. He stressed that he is a responsible member of the Community. He noted a facility in Temecula which encountered no problems in opening and suggested that Lake Elsinore should follow in their footsteps. He indicated that a Conditional Use Pernut should not be required and requested reconsideration of granting him a license. Nathan McDonald, indicated that tattooing has been considered an art around the world for thousands of yeazs, and suggested that it is a right to personal opinions. He fixRher indicated that there is no reason not to allow for a license. He stressed that this business is merely the provision of a service. Howard Chavis, resident of the Bird Tract for nine years, noted that his area has taken a bad rap and developed a poor image. He further noted the drop in property values and'indicated that this tattoo parlor would be bad for their neighborhood. He indicated that the reputation of a tattoo parlor is not benign and also has a bad rap and a negative connotation. He stressed that he lives in the area and this is his community too. He presented a letter from Pastor Dean Murphy, representing New Song Calvary Chapel, expressing opposition to the tattoo parlor. PAGE SEVEN - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24,1996 Ralph Cullors, 208 Campus Way, indicated that he has a problem with elementary school and high school students using the atley behind his home and teasing his dogs with sticks, etc. He requested that the Council assist him in getting the kids to use a different route to school. He noted that they are smoking and congregating in the alley and encouraged the Council to work to change the routes of the students. Mayor Pape requested that Mr. Cullors discuss the situation further with the Police Chief. Greg Manos, commented that skateboarders are being kicked out of everywhere, and indicated that they would like a place set aside for them to skate. He commented that a skate park is not necessary, because they just want a place to skate without being harassed. Christopher Ulrich, indicated that he has been skateboarding for about six years and been thrown out of a lot of places. He noted that they get a bad rap, but he is on the honor roll at school, as well as enjoying skateboarding. He indicated that they just want a piece of land to be left alone. He noted that they can not even use a public park anymore. Mariana Mohylyn, 305 W. Sumner, indicated that the children deserve consideration and encouraged the Council to assist them. She noted that there is not much for children to do in the Community, and stressed the need to give the children more consideration. She indicated that Council's approach to Proposition 218 was underhanded. She addressed the use of funds for the channel. Chris Hyland, 15191 Wavecrest, expressed her opinion that the (ast Council meeting was a disgusting display. She indicated that she does not tolerate liars or unethical people, and noted that Councilman Metze accused her of lying. She indicated that she is not against the City, but rather how the money is spent. She commented on the New Brown Act regulations and expressed concern that it was violated. She indicated that she did not seek out the San Diego Union Tribune reporter, but she did provide him with public information and legal documents. She addressed Councilwoman Brinley with regard to interrupting Councilman Alongi and indicated that it is a frequent occurrence and offered to show Mrs. Brinley videotapes of the meetings. She questioned newspaper reports of "majority support" to have Mr. Alongi removed from the meeting. She addressed the removal and indicated that Mayor Pape should read the new Brown Act. She commented that this will not be over "til the fat lady sings". CITY MANAGER CONIMENTS City Manager Molendyk pointed out that work is in progress on the new boat launch and noted that the project is on schedule. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS, Councilman Metze commented on the following: 1) Noted a recent letter from Elsinore Pioneer Lumber Co., and stressed that they have been there since 1923 with good hou~s, a fine business and good employees. He indicated that he was sorry to have neglected them when he commented on the new Do It Centet 2) Noted mail received today from the Economic Development Committee of the Chamber regazding their recent survey. He expressed concern that of 200 questionnaire sent out only 20 responses were received. He questioned how many of those businesses were actually in the City. He indicated that he was disturbed by how this material might be used, but commented he was not surprised by the outcome with Mr. 7effr~es heading up the effort. - . . . ~ x~t5`'~~ , .. . PAGE EIGHT - CITY COUNCIL MINUT'ES - SEPTEIVI$ER 24, 1996 Councilman Alongi commented on the following: He stated that he would like to see a temporary license issued to the Tattoo Shop and then issue him conditions of approval, He noted that if he abides by those then the license can be continued and if he does not, then the license can be removed. He explained that he thinks that tattooing is a recognized business, the same as alcohol. He noted that the City has liquor stores, dance halls, and he would like to see this business if the City can work out the conditions. He stated that he feels that the City should be more business friendly; and noted that he reads his Bible quite often and he finds nothing that discriminates against tattoos. He further noted that he has one, and his church welcomes him with open arma Councilman Alongi stated that he feels thabit is unfair to take pof shots at folks that haue not even been given the opportunity to prove that they are law abiding citizens and can operate a clean establishment, regardless of what it might be. 2. Noted that he was glad to see the young people present tonight and agreed that we do need a skate board area and a skating rink. He noted that the City puts signs that state no skate boards or bicycles on the sidewalks and the City needs to supply those things. He noted that is why he gets irritated when the City takes money from the reserves and pays someone else's bills and we can't take care of our own kids. Councilman Alongi stated that is a subject that can be talked about later. 3. Congratulated the Chamber of Commerce on their Survey since he felt that they at least had the courage to do it: He noted that if that survey said other than what it '' did, this Council wouldn't be talking about it, including Mr. Metze: He stated that - this Council hunches their backs and has a couple of'thin skins' that can't take criticism. He further stated that this City is not business friendly and that includes going to the counter sometimes. He explained that he is not saying that it is deliberate, but that it is misinformatibn that they have given, and it is the misinformation that makes the public think that the City is unfi-iendly. Councilman Alongi stated that it is not the people that Mr: Metze pointed out, but rather the people who went to the counter and then went to the Chamber of Commerce to complain about it. FIe noted that it is the same in regard to the Tattoo Shop and he does not look fauorably upon the City to do what we did, because there are other ways to work around it. He noted that he is not saying that it is wrong or right, but the man has the opportunity to open up a business. 4. Stated that Proposition 218 is a tough one and is really difficult at best to try and explain; and indicated that is why he would prefer that the City hold a Town Hall meeting with both sides represented, speaking on the subject and giving the public an education to allow them to make an intelligent decision. He explained that he has his reservations abouY 218, but explained that he is an elected official and he has to do what the people want him to do and he does not have the privilege to choose what he wants and doesn't want. 5. Addressed the last Council Meeting and noted that a lot of things were said about him, not to menrion that his Civil Rights and Constitutional Rights were violated. He further noted that Yhe Mayor always talks about the Council Policy and he violated that along with every member. Councilman Alongi stated that Mr. Metze started off about the taxes, people should pay, and about himself and Chris Hyland being against the City and that he is convinced that we are trying to sabotage the City. He stated that he owna quite a bit of property in this community and works very hard in this community to accumulate that property; and most of it is paid for and if he thinks that he's that stupid that he wants his property values to plunge even more, then he is absolutely ludicrous. He stated that he thinks there PAGE NINE - CPTY COUNCIL MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24,1996 are some things in this world, in this country we should not forget, that we should remember so those mistakes are not made again. He noted that one of the big mistakes that this community has made is that the previous Council was negligent with spending our tax dollars; and suggested that Mr. Metze needs to be a bit more cleaz and carefui in what he says to Councilman Alongi about being against this community. Councilman Alongi stated that he loves this community and that he has been here for over thirty years, a lot longe~ than Councilman Metze has; and in comparison he is still wet behind the eazs about Lake Elsinore. He addressed Mrs. Kelley and stated that he is really, really surprised at her, because she is a school teacher and stands for different reasons. He pointed out that she not only educates the people on arithmetic, she is also supposed to teach the children fair play and morals. He suggested that she go home and pick her Bible up and read the Bible definition of a hypocrite, and also read Matthew 6.5 and 6.6, as well as 4, 7, and 8 while she is at it and maybe she will understand why he leaves this podium during the Invocation. Councilman Alongi addressed Mrs. Brinley and stated that she is the Chairman of the Redevelopment Agency and doesn't even understand the financing that goes on. He noted that when she makes the statement that the only thing owing against the Ballfield is $10,000,000; she made that statement on tape, and there is a lot more invested in that Ballfield than $10,000,000. He added that the Ballfield is a lot more than $22,000,000 and is probably more like $25,000,000 or $30,000,000 dollazs if you add all of the costs, from the time that they kicked Mr. O'Byrne out of here with his Movie Theater and Sam Jiron on his housing project, so they could raise the $700,000 for design work for that Ballfield which wasn't included, as well as the $200,000 to relocate it. Counci(man Alongi stated that he felt that Mrs. Brinley made a big mistake when she mailed her letter out to the San Diego Tribune and in her letter she quoted some Sgures on the cost of the Ballfield and if she thinks that the people at that paper aze ignorant and cannot see through tlus paragraph she has another thing coming and she is the Chairman of the Redevelopment Agency. He read the paragraph as follows: "The original $8.5 million estimate for the Stadium did not include additional up-grades requested by the City, such as improved soundAsystem, landscape slopes and most importantly :~/' =- the Diamond Club Meeting, Sports Bar facility." He stated that he does not know how she can make that statement since she wasn't at any of those meetings as they were closed meetings and in violation of the Brown Act. He noted that Dan Young;met with each and every Council person separately to get their vote on that I Ballfield. He noted that if they want to start playing baseball and play hardball, then he is going to play hardball. He explained that she made statements that she knows nothing.about, but what goes on to make it worse is follows: "With these requested additions the estimate was revised to $12,000,000." Councilman Alongi stated that it was not, that it had been revised to $15,000,000. He further read: "The final cost of the project included $15,000,000 for the Stadium and $7,000,000 for the streets and infrastructure." Councilman Alongi stated that if he gave her the consideration of $15,000,000 and $7,000,000, doesn't she think that the $7,000,000 goes into the cost of building something. He pointed out that she could ask any builder if street improvements aze not included in his house payments or house costs. He noted therefore, that it doesn't make any difference if $15,000,000 and $7,000,000 is in the streets and infrastructure, the fact is and the bottom line is tha*_ they put the City on the line for over $22,000,000 dollazs and the City can't pay the debt and that is the bottom line; like it or not and that is what he has to deal with. He explained that the public has to pay the bill, and indicated that doesn't mean that he doesn't like Lake Elsinore or that he wants to hurt Lake Elsinore, but the public has the right to know and that is why Proposition 218 pops up, and it is because the public has the right to know. He pointed out that the letter does not address the cost of doing business, or the fees for refinancing the bonds which no one will talk about. He noted that no one wants to talk about the ^ullions of dollars in the RDA that we have to pay for since PAGE TEN - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24,1996 there is no tax increment coming in to make that payment and it is coming out of the public's pockets. He e~cplained that the RDA was put together for the public's benefit, not for the Walmart, Ballfield, Lake or Movie Theater. He noted that it was put there for the public's benefit to remove blight from the area. F3e pointed out that the publids area has sufferedbecause of this nonsense and the current Council refuses to recognize that. He pointed out that he wili reeognize and deal with the problems, but he will deal with it as a professional business man; and stated that the only way to get out is to pay your way out and not finance your way'out. He indicated that it is crediYcard mentality. He addressed the section of the letter regarding the bond with the Bank of Sumitomo and noted that the money to pay that bond is taking away services from the public. He pointed out that the news people are not dumb, but rather aze very smart and see through this kind of nonsense. Councilman Alongi stated that this is not necessary, but rather what we need to work out a solution collectively. He noted that he did something at a Study Session, and his wife is very surprised because when he says something to somebody he means it, and he doesn't apologize to that person; he might become friendly with that person later on, but he will never apologize for what he says. He stated that he did apologize for what he said to this Council in public and that he was willingto work with them and try to help solve the problem, but they choose, on their own, to systematically orchestrate this attack on him at the last meeting. He indicated that it is a violation of the Brown Act, since they had to talk to each other to do what they did. He further stated that he would not go on with Mrs. Brinley, as he felt that she needed to be educated, since she knows nothing about RDA. He stated that he would read.something 4hat the public should know and would not say what staff member made this statement: "The Diamond operates with subsidies from the City and in 35 years, hopefully, we'll be at a break even point with the operations and maintenance of the Stadium. The City grosses $334,000 " Councilman Alongi stated that this is in contradiction of the report that Council just received and the item that he was reading was from September of 1996. He stated that if the financing of the Ball&eld is going to take the City 35 years to get it breaking even, and the City is going to try and get a$10,000,000 bond postponed for 10 years, can anyone tell him how long iYs going to take to pay then. He asked if our Grandchildren are still going to be paying for a stinking Ballfield and questioned why don't the Council did not complain about this statement. He stated that it was just as bad and derogatory as his remarks and they accused him without calling him and asking him if he had really said those things. He answered an article in the Californian by Chris Wayward and stated that at the Study Session he did not say anything about embarrassing the City, however he did say that he did take his share of the blame, apologized and meant it. He noted an article in the paper by the Mayor in response to the Chamber Survey and pointed out that less then 10% of the population voted him on the Council, and therefore if less than 10% are not significant, then he needs to get out of his' chair. He responded to the article by Charlie Hand and noted that he reported that Mr. .~longi was booted outof the Council Meeting; he clarified that he was not actually booted out of the Meeting, but rather stood at tHe back of the hall. He noted that Council must take the bumps and lumps. He responded to an article regarding illegal contributions to campaign committees and stated that he did not read the article and judge that the people were thieves because they took the contribution, because before he does that he would have to talk to the people and find out if they really did it or not. He pointed out that just because it is in the paper does not necessarily make it true. He commented that newspapers make anistakes. He pointed out some mistakes the newspapers make and the fact that Council does not scream about those errors. He quoted an article by Charlie Hand regarding the report on the bond and the fact that Councit did not go after him. He stated that he knows that the Mayor has to be positive and he understands where the Mayor is coming from and has a tough job, but the fact is that some of PAGE ELEVEN - CTTY COUNCIL MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24, 1996 his statements to the paper aze a lot of hog-wash. Councilman Alongi stated that the Mayor made several accusations against him. He stated as a side note that Council considers the 4th of 7uly as a gift, since the City did in the past budget a little over $100,000 for the City to do a 4th of 7uly celebration for the people of the City of Lake Elsinore and everyone from all over the place was invited to participate. He noted that 30 to 40 thousand people attended that show and we had the best fireworks in town and had a great time; that was a gift and everyone was included. He furthec noted that when the City built a Ballfield and decided to have Wynona 7udd there; the City says that the $100,000 cannot be counted since that was a budgeted item. He stated that when the City starts charging the public to attend a facility and they cannot enter it unless they pay, then it is not a gift anymore, and becomes a business venture with costs and then the $100,000 is not a gift anymore, it is a cost and should be accounted for. He further stated that the City lost $100,000 on Wynona 7udd and he challenged any one of the Council to pull the records from the Finance Department and go over them. He pointed out that the Kids-On-Track was only an example of what we do with our taxes, and yet when it comes to our own people, Councilwoman Brinley could have kept it going with her vote and that is why we are in this mess today; because they say we can't take it out of reserves, yet we have taken $70,000,000 out of reserves to pay someone else's debt that we don't owe. Councilman Alongi stated that Mayor Pape and Councilwoman Brinley could not hold a candle to Mrs. Lovitt who owns a restaurant near Main Street and feeds more homeless people out her back door than any restaurant. He noted that in fact most restaurants would chase the homeless away from their doors. He pointed out that every year she cooks approacimately 26 turkeys to do turkey dinner for underprivileged children and their families who can't afford it. Councilman Alongi stated that the question was "Does the ballfield have any affect on her business", and the answer is no. He asked what was wrong with that; was she supposed to say yes; and it does not make a difference what her hours are, the question was "Does the ballfield have any affect on your business". He stated that Mrs. Mayhall has won the Packman Award from the Chamber of Commerce and asked if anyone knew what it takes to win a Packman Award. Councilman Alongi suggested asking Mrs. Brinley if she has one. He stated that Mrs. Mayhall has not had the opportunity in the last three years to bid on any printing from the City. He noted that we send our printing out of town so others can enjoy our tax dollars instead of creating jobs within our City because we have several good printing shops that can do anything with printing. He further noted the remarks made about Mrs. Strigotte working there and stated that it was an underhanded remazk. Councilman Alongi stated that Mrs. Mayhall is another one that she can't hold a candle to in this community. He stated that people should go into Mayhall's shop and look at her wall and see how many plaques and trophies she has up for her comtnitment to sponsor Little League and Soccer. He noted that it represents the money she has donated, even after her husband passed away, she still continues to support the community. He stated that then Council has the audacity to attack the woman because she feels that the ballfield has done nothing for her business. He indicated that it has not. He furthec stated that it has done nothing for his business, which doesn't mean to say that he does not like it. CounciLnan Alongi stated that the Mayor had made several accusations against him and has in fact convicted him. He further stated that he has not even been to court yet. He noted that the Mayor made two accusations that he does not appreciate. The fust was in regard to the article that said "they ought to be shot", and stated that it was merely a Sgure of speech. He asked how many people have told their children that they were going to knock their block off, but did not since it was just an expression. He stated that it was an expression, and asked if he was entitled to use an expression, or because he is an elected official has that been removed from him. He commented that the Mayor seems to tivnk so. He addressed the comment that "they should be put in jail" and stated ,, _ PAGE TWELVE - C11'Y COUNCIL NIINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24,1996 that yes they should since they robbed you and took your funds and threw them away, so they could have their lousy name$ on a plaque, thaYs what they did. He commented that they should admit it, in fact two of the Council that were sitting up on the platform, should haue stepped to the podium and told the public that. He stated that one is the Mayor, who was the City Treasurer at that time and came to the podium and told the City three or four times, that the Gity was in strong financial condition and not to worry because Mr. Alongi was wrong. He stated that he didn't think so. gIe noted that the Mayor also made an accusation that he had threatened Chazlie Hand; and Councilman Alongi has witnesses that say no. He fiarther stated that Mr. Hand filed the report in Riverside, and that complaint has since been removed. He noted that he and Mr. Strigotte had words, and pointed out that knowing Mr. Strigotte he ran and filed his report, he answered to it, and nothing has been done since. He pointed out that there is no substantial evidence at all, so the Mayor makes these off-the-wall remarks, but he doesn't clarify what is really going on. He answered the statement regarding him chewing out the City Building Inspector, and stated at this time it is an allegation but if and when they convict him, then he can say that. He stated that the Mayor has no business interfering in his private business. He noted that he ishandling it as a private citizen, handling it out of his own pocket, and if he wins then Mr. Mayor will receive a bill; and believe me you will pay it and you will pay the other stuff that I'm facing today because of your supporters out there. Councilman Alongi stated that he would have his day in court and that he will be going to court on November 12, 13, & 14 for the FPPC. He stated that he has`11 people from the City of Lake Elsinore who will be subpoenaed to that court. He stated that we will find out if Mr: Alongi is a liar or not and find out if Mr. Alongi is a convict, if he is a person who doesn't like this community, is a thief; we will find out what his Conflict of Interest is. He stated that he thinks that the people had better wake up in this community to the fact that the Council is keeping you in debt. He stated that they have a credit card mentality and don't know how to get out of debt. He commented that if you told them to sell the ballfield at $9,000,000, they would jump out of their seats and say that you were going to loose, but you would loose nothing, you would gain if it were sold for $9,000,000 or $10,000,000, but they won't do that. He stated that they don't have the backbone; they don't have the backbone to do what the City Manager has to do when there has to be lay-offs, and those lay-offs will iake place. He further commented that the scare tactics regarding closing theparks and the Senior Center are all a bunch of baloney. He stated that the City will operate, not at the peak that we would like, but that is up to the public. He further stated that when we go out and spend $80,000 a year to maintain one park, that is crazy. CounciLnan Alongi stated that we should just cementthe damn paik`over and get the cost down. He stated that they talked about converting the Stadium, but let them produce those figures, they talk a lot but never produce &gures. He further stated that they yack, yack'a lot but never produce documents. Iie commented that he is done for tonight and is going on vacation, to get himself in good shape so he can come back, and be in good condition to take all of you on again for the next three years. Mayor.Pro Tem Kelley commented on the following: 1) Congratulated the Storm on their win of the championship, and noted the level of effort and enthusiasm. 2) Noted that the Lakeshore Marketplace is open and encouraged residents to go out and shop. She also encouraged the vendors to hang in until the venture gows. 3) Noted the premier Vision and Views show, which airs on October 7th at 7:30 p.m. PAGE THII2TEEN - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24, 1996 4) Announced the Friends of the Library annual membership drive dance and noted that the theme will be the 50's Blast from the Past. She indicated that Transit is the band who will provide the evening's entertainment. She detailed the date and time of the event and advised that the funds raised will go to new reference materials and books 5) Announced that the "FIT" committee effort from the CAP conference, was up and running and applications aze neazly ready. She indicated that the program will use all volunteers and donated supplies. She further indicated that they are looking for homes of seniors on which to assist with cleanup and painting. She explained that they are hoping to bring back some community pride, and the applications should be at the City Hall counter very soon. 6) Commended the young people for speaking on what they would like in the community. She indicated that she will reseazch the matter, but noted the potential questions of liability. 7) Indicated that regazding the tattoo pazlor, the CUP was required by title 17 adopted in 1986. She further indicated that she was notified that Mr. Martin pulled his application for a CUP. She stressed that the process would be before the planning commissioq and the Council has made no decisions on the matter. Councilwoman Brinley commented on the following: 1) Congratulated the Storm on their championship and commended their hard work to succeed. 2) Commented on the Open Air Market and noted the that it will be the topic of the first Visions and Views show. She further noted that there were over I500 people in attendance on Saturday, with a slight drop on Sunday. 3) Addressed Mr. Martin and the Tattoo pazlor and explained the CUP process and the purpose of the process to assure that it is conditioned properly. She noted that a CUP comes with a time frame for approval and the potential for renewal. She concurred with Mrs. Kelley that she was under the impression that the application was withdrawn. She indicated that it was unfair to chastise the Council when they have had no opportunity to consider the issues. She stressed that the CUP process provides for due process. She further stressed that Title 17 has been in effect since 1987-88. She stated that each business should be judged on its own merit. 4) Indicated that the requests regarding skateboards are valid, as there is a need to find them a place to be. She indicated that the Council should investigate and find them a place. She expressed appreciation for the attendance by the Students to speak at this meeting. 5) Responded to Councilman Alongi that he is always calling someone unintelligent. She noted the FPPC charges against him , and suggested that it was either due to a lack of foresight or a lack of intelligence. Councilman Alongi stres:ed tha!. il-.i.s issue is still an allegation. Mrs. Bruiley indicated that the content ~3f :'he alleganor.s stand for themselves. Mayor Pape commented on the following: 1) Congratulated the Black Family on the opening of their new Tai Kw4ti L' c~ ~i~adio on Riverside Drive, and noted that they have much experience in that area. PAGE FOURTEEN - CITY COUNCII, MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24, 1996 2) Noted reports in the press that the City is dealing with the current recreation area franchise. He indicated that was has not been reported is the number of letters received from people who were very disappointed by the way the facility is managed. 3) Requested that staff and Police Chief get together and work on,recent situation incidents which have occurred at the Lakeshore Tavem. He requested that it be reviewed before it get out of hand. 4) Indicated that he spoke with the President of the Chamber of Commerce, regarding the survey and even he had concerns with it. He clarified that his concern was that the survey did not represent and overwhelming consensus. He expressed hopes for a larger response in future surveys. 5) Commended Lois Wall for her donation of books to the Library. CLOSED SESSION Mayor Pape inquired whether the Closed Session was still needed. City Attorney Harper indicated that he had nothing new to report. City Manager Molendyk noted a legal document received this date and requested an update. City Attorney Harper indicated that it would be fine to add this to the agenda, but he has not yet had a chance to analyze the document. MOVED BY ALONGI, SECONDED BY BRINLEY AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADD THE DISCUSSION OF LITIGATION WITH L.E.RA. TO THE CLOSED SESSION PORTION OF THIS AGENDA. Potential Litigation - Tattoo Parlor. 2. Pending Litigation - Spectrum, Ync. THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS ADJOURNED TO CLOSED SESSION AT 8:55 P.M. THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING XiECONVENED AT 9:15 P.M. NO ACTION TAKEN. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED B~' PAPE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING A 9:16 P.M. ~ KEVIN W. P E~R CTI'Y OF LAKE ELSINORE A?'1~ST; ~ ~ i~ ;. C•KI Y.F„S , CITY LERK C't1 r ~F' LAKE ELSINORE