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HomeMy WebLinkAbout08-26-1997 City Council MinutesMINUTES REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE 183 NORTH MAIN STREET LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA TUESDAY, AUGUST 26, 1997 CALL TO ORDER The Regular City Council Meeting was called to order by Mayor Pape at 7:01 p.m. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE The Pledge of Allegiance was led by City Attorney Leibold. INVOCATION The Invocation was provided by Pastor Joe Rivera, representing Pressing on Faith Ministries. ROLL CALL PRESENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: ABSENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: ALONGI, BRINLEY, KELLEY, METZE, PAPE NONE Also present were: City Manager Watenpaugh, City Attorney Leibold, Administrative Services Director Boone, Community Development Director Leslie, Community Services Director Sapp, Police Chief Walsh, City Engineer O'Donnell and City Clerk Kasad. PRESENTATIONS A. Presentation - TMC Communities - Eastlake Project. (F:134.10) Mayor requested postponement of this presentation for better viewing of the slide presentation. PUBLIC COMMENTS - AGENDIZED ITEMS Requests were received to address Item Nos. A, 3 and 31 of this agenda. CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY ALONGI AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS U PAGE TWO - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997 PRESENTED. 1. The following Minutes were approved: a. Regular City Council Meeting - June 24, 1997. b. City Council Study Session - July 14, 1997. C. Adjourned Regular City Council Meeting - July 15, 1997. d. City Council Study Session - August 5, 1997. (F:44.4) The following Minutes were received and ordered filed: e. Planning Commission Meeting - July 16, 1997. f Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997. (F:60.3) g. Design Review Committee Meeting - July 16, 1997. h. Design Review Committee Meeting - August 6, 1997. (F:60.4) 2. Ratified Warrant List for August 14, 1997. (F:12.3) 3. Received and ordered filed the Investment Report for June, 1997. (F:12.5) 4. Received and ordered filed the Monthly Report on the State C.O.P.S. Grant for June 30, 1997. (F:84.8) 5 Approved Cost Recovery for Abatement Costs on 106 South Chestnut Street and authorized placement of a special lien against the property. (F:32.4) 6 Adopted Resolution No. 97 -60 of Application to join Riverside County Waste Resources Management District. (F: 163.1)(X:140.1) RESOLUTION NO. 97-60 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, TO JOIN THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY WASTE RESOURCES MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. 7. Approved Final Parcel Map 28524, subject to the City Engineer's acceptance as being true and correct and accept all dedications at time of recordation; authorized the City Clerk to sign the map and arrange for recordation and authorized the City Clerk to sign and obtain the signature of the Mayor on the agreement for the Construction of Public Improvements.(F:110.2) BUSINESS ITEMS 31. Wells in City Parks. (F:114.1)(X:164.1) Mayor Pape noted that there are three options proposed for this item. PAGE THREE - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997 City Manager Watenpaugh noted the proposal received from a private contractor to drill for water and supply water free of charge to the City for the parks. He noted that this discussion has already occurred at the City level, as well as with the Water District. He detailed the staff recommendations on this item and noted a FAX received from Water District General Manager Hoagland regarding their willingness to discuss this matter further. Dick Knapp, City Treasurer, indicated that this was a good idea, but expressed concern with where that well would be. He indicated that there is plenty of land at a safe level; and suggested directing the excess water to run down the channel to use for irrigating the State park; or put an additional well at that location. He detailed possible costs for drilling a well and providing the holding tank, and suggested that it might be worth the City's while to invest in this project, with excess water sold to EVMWD. Councilwoman Brinley questioned the Council's feeling on this item. MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY KELLEY TO WORK WITH THE WATER DISTRICT AND ANY PRIVATE CONTRACTOR TO DETERMINE THE BEST APPROACH. Councilman Metze suggested that further reports be prepared on all three options. Mayor Pape indicated that staff would bring back reports on all of the options.. Mayor Pro Tem Kelley thanked MBC Constructors for their generous offer and for getting the ball rolling. Councilman Alongi indicated that he wished this action had been taken in 1993, but suggested that this would need to be discussed with the City Attorney and Water District to address potential legal issues. Mayor Pape suggested it would be appropriate to go with the best offer. THE FOREGOING MOTION CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. PRESENTATION A. Presentation - TMC Communities -Eastlake Project. (F:134.10) Todd Olson, President, TMC Communities, explained that they were present to detail their vision for Eastlake and noted that they wish to return in October for further consideration. He advised that they were now working in partnership with Civic Partners. He noted that this is the 3,000 acres of land PAGE FOUR - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997, , behind the levee and presented a computerized slide show of their vision. He detailed the history of Lake Elsinore; and noted the impacts of flooding and drying out on the community. He noted the completion of the Lake Management Project in 1994 and indicated that due that project Lake Elsinore is on the verge of a rebirth, of which they are pleased to be a part. He noted the importance of planning this project in close partnership with nature and explained the status of the land on which the project is to be built. He detailed the proposed wildlife habitat and trails and stressed their vision of a resort destination. He detailed their plan for a variety of villages to achieve the small home town atmosphere. He further detailed possible types of architecture for the project and announced that their project will be called "Liberty". Mr. Olson noted that the specific plan was approved in 1993 and the first village of Liberty will move forward under that plan, with formal plans for the project anticipated for October. He also detailed the features of the first phase including a 30 acre lake feature, a 150 room Inn, an 18 hole championship golf course and homes. He advised that the homes will range from vacation cottages to large estate homes; and the project will also include entertainment and retail components, and an elementary school. He commented on the aggressive planning effort to submit grading plans by the end of the year with the project ground breaking in the spring of next year. He advised that the first village will impact very few of the existing land owners, but all of the land owners h ave been invited to attend meetings, view the presentation and discuss the impacts on their properties. Edith Stafford, indicated that she is within this plan and questioned the plan which has gone on since 1990. She further indicated that she has seen presentations before and questioned why the project is not at the plan stage. She noted the discussion of hotels, etc., but indicated that there are no plans to clearly point out where these development will be. She stressed that there should be more than a presentation by now. Mr. Olson emphasized that this project will differ from the typical real estate developer project; and noted that they wanted to introduce it to the Community and the City Council at this point, with plans to follow very quickly. He concurred that this project has been discussed for several years, but noted the difficult real estate cycle which is now ending. He reiterated that they wanted to preview this Vision with the Council and the Community. Councilwoman Brinley questioned the number of meetings with the landowners. Mr. Olson indicated that two meetings are planned and invitations are out to the landowners. Mrs. Brinley suggested that they confirm the proper addresses to insure that all of the property owners are invited. Councilman Alongi indicated that he was disappointed in the presentation; PAGE FIVE - :CCITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997 and noted that he believed that people expected a detailed plan for the project. He reiterated that this project has been discussed for a long time. He stressed that people are looking for actual plans of the hotel or the golf courses; and suggested that it is misdirecting as to what people expect from the landowner meetings. Mr. Olson indicated that they can make it very clear in those meeting who would be involved and who would not. He indicated that they wanted an opportunity for the planner to be present to discuss the detailed plan, and expressed hopes that could occur at a meeting in October. Councilman Alongi noted that invitations were sent to people north of the channel and questioned why they were included. Mr. Olson indicated that there are some properties north of the channel involved in the project. Mayor Pape noted his appreciation for the developer providing them the ability to stay appraised of what is occurring and the opportunity for input at this stage. He indicated that so far, from what he has seen, the concept is unique for Southern California. He noted that the project fits well with the orientation of the community. Councilwoman Brinley noted the past developers for this area including Arvida, Dan Young, etc., but noted that none of the past developers have gone this far with a formal presentation. She commented that TMC has made great strides to move forward with the project and expressed appreciation for the presentation and willingness to keep the Council current on their progress. Mayor Pape noted the impact of the proposed man-made lake with homes, the 150 room hotel and the golf course. He concurred that the schedule was very aggressive to anticipate having plans by the end of the year and moving dirt by the spring. Mayor Pro Tem Kelley thanked Mr. Olson for the presentation and concurred that the plan was quite ambitious. THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS AT 7:35 P.M. THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 7:37 P.M. PUBLIC COMMENTS - NON- AGENDIZED ITEMS Dick Knapp, City Treasurer, noted that he requested the June pool investment report at the last meeting and indicated that this report shows the accounts where money is invested and advised that it is currently about $13 million. He expressed concern that he had not received the backup material with regard to the investments, as he has received the last four. He indicated that he asked for the report and received an PAGE SIX —CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 269 1997- inadequate report. He noted the date on which he requested the material and advised that he has not yet received the information. He advised that he received a report, but it had nothing to do with what he asked for. He indicated that the report he requested could prove that there is money to keep the parks open. He suggested that the Mayor has prevented him from receiving the requested information and questioned Mayor Pape on what he and the City have to hide. He indicated that the truth is out and it was never necessary to close parks. City Manager Watenpaugh noted that he has discussed this matter with Mr. Boone and has indicated that the information should be ready tomorrow, but the auditors have been in house and staff has not had time to address it. He explained that the information is available, but not in the special reports requested by Mr. Knapp. Joyce Hohenadl, 27 Corte Palazzo, spoke as Task Force Chairperson and stressed the need for support in the November election. She noted the lack of knowledge on the losses of revenue to municipalities. She further noted that the people who encouraged a NO vote on Measure BB, did not mention the City services to be lost. She detailed the reasons for the latest Task Force proposal, being to address the loss of revenue from a roll back in the LLMD fees due to passage of prop 218; declining assessed valuation and continued loss of state funding for a total of about $1.6 million. She noted the efforts by the volunteers, Council, staff and the newspapers who tried to keep the community involved. She commented that the Task Force received input from the community and tried to find an option to best address the concerns of everyone. She stressed the need to create a replacement revenue stream. She further noted that the Council unanimously supported placement of three ballot measures on the ballot and detailed the breakdown for the three measures. She thanked the developers, business people and community for their support and noted the buttons for support of the parks. She stressed that the emergency funds allocated to parks will ultimately need to be replaced. Chris Hyland, 15191 Wavecrest, addressed leasing of the Diamond to a middle man and suggested it was a great offense to the residents. She stressed the cost of �- the Diamond and the losses for operation of the facility. She questioned the real story and the benefit of leasing to a developer middle man; and how it was possible to generate revenue to off -set the debts. She further questioned why the developer does not purchase the Stadium and lease it to the ball team. She also questioned if the land was not deeded to the City would it have been deeded to the developer for use of the stadium. She suggested that the Council was not capable of making a deal with the ball team and explained her view of how the negotiations should occur. She further suggested the use of fimds to open the parks and take the fences down. Nita Van Heest, 33146 Shoreline Drive, directed her questions and comments to Mayor Pape, requesting an explanation of a press comment regarding the City Treasurer. She noted his original campaign statements when he ran for office and suggested that she has been classified as a CAARP. She stressed that the City does PAGE SEVEN. -CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997 not directly elect a Mayor, and he is merely one of the Councilmembers selected by his peers. She finther stressed that the City Treasurer is an elected official and accountable to the people. She indicated that he should not degrade and demean other elected officials. She demanded that Mr. Knapp be given equal comment time to that of the City Council, and requested a response to that demand. Helen Moore, 3607 Eisenhower Street, representing the Elsinore Valley Artists Society, indicated that she is a 14 year resident of Lake Elsinore and noted that the Elsinore Valley Artists Society was formed 11 years ago. She advised that this is a non -profit organization which is very active. She noted the cooperative art show begun seven years ago in collaboration with the City. She indicated that their next show is scheduled for at the Community Center in two weeks. She detailed the expenditures required to present that show and expressed concern with being charged for staff time for the event. She indicated that the original estimate was approximately $160 -$190 for the required staff. She further indicated that they ; always leave the facility in better condition than they find it. She advised that they carry their own insurance for their shows, pay for rentals, provide a reception, etc.. ,.. and cannot afford these fees. She indicated that they may need to cancel for next year, based on these costs. Fred Feinberg, 3612 Dove Lane, North Las Vegas, noted that he came down from Las Vegas; and noted that he is glad to see the community progressing with Denny's, the new market, Outlet Center expansion, etc. He commented that the same people still don't go to ball games, and some things are still the same with the same "naysayers ". He stressed that he wants to see progress and indicated that he is glad to see that TMC wants to proceed with Eastlake. He indicated that he is glad to see that most people want to support the parks, as he would like to see all of the parks stay open. He fiuther indicated that he would like to see the community grow, and more businesses come in. Councilman Alongi questioned us address. Mr. Feinberg provided Mr. Alongi with his address and phone number; and noted that he still owns 60 acres in Lake Elsinore. Dick Knapp, City Treasurer, noted that he just received the new bond issue yesterday, and noted the final dollar amount of the issuance. He questioned a noted transfer to the Authority and whether it would be coming back to the General Fund to reimburse the $600,000 loaned to the CFD's. He also questioned if it would take care of the RDA funding or if it is only for CFD 88 -3. He again stressed that there is money for the parks. John Seepe, 15631 Half Moon Drive, indicated that he has a hard time understanding the push to put in more developments when there are so many already approved and not built. He addressed Mr. Olson and indicated that if he is paying for the project it is fine, but suggested asking the existing residents who will pay the maintenance costs after they are gone, for input. He inquired if anyone cares that the City has the highest per capita debt in the State. He noted the City Council meeting that was not televised and why the long and short financial plans are not in } , {, :. PAGE EIGHT - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997 writing. He indicated that if the Council was concerned with the finances they would buy business cards in Lake Elsinore rather than Fallbrook. He suggested that voters should listen to the way Candidates respond to concerns during the election, because the response will be the same once they are elected. L. Dean Billings, indicated that he was empowered by God to be in Lake Elsinore. He commented that Lake Elsinore was a community in 1972, and he was drawn to Lake Elsinore because there is a "skunk in the woodpile ". He further indicated that God has shown him a way, if he can get the ear of the Council and some developers. He indicated that this is Lake Us and More, and noted that his plan is so easy, yet so complex. He stressed that his intent is to make the Community what it used to be and expressed his love the community. He further suggested that it is always important to move forward, but never straight ahead. Frank Jackson, representing Chuckles Java Junction, noted the Council approval for closure of the street for a music promotional event. He advised that it was a successful event with no incidents, and the City was very easy to deal with. He thanked the Council who were present, and reiterated that it was very successful. He expressed hopes they could do it again. Peter Dawson, 18010 Grand, Avenue, addressed water the lifeblood of all living things, and stressed that Southern California is really an and desert. He noted the potential for a bountiful wet winter and the potential for Lake overflow. He commented that with the improvements, the Lake should level at just over 1255' elevation, and noted the impact of the levee on the overall size of the Lake. He further noted the wetland area behind the levee, and indicated that they were told that the back basin could protect them from flood waters, but expressed concern with the houses to be built in the back basin. He commented that potentially water and houses can exist, and concurred that the project looks very nice. He addressed the weir that allows for storage behind the levee, and suggested that there is little likelihood for any water storage. He suggested it might be appropriate to consider a smaller Eastlake Project. Edith Stafford, 54 Elm Street, reminded the Council of the vindictiveness that they have taken in closing the parks without just cause. She stressed that the City has the money, but say they do not. She suggested that they could admit an error in closing the parks and called on the Council to do the right thing; and reiterated that the parks should be reopened to full operation. She indicated that they have collected more than 1,500 signatures of people who believe that the City has the funds and did not need to close the parks. She questioned the Council about the half million dollars which was a refund from the development of the bridge and inquired where that money was going. She indicated that she was told that the City would receive that amount of money and stressed the need for a public accounting for that money for use in the parks. She addressed the TMC presentation and noted that she attended them all before, and noted the other parties who made the past presentations. She suggested that they were all similar to what was heard tonight, PAGE NINE - :.CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997 and questioned why the presentations are continuing and no plans are going forward. She suggested that they should get on with it and give the people a chance to have their say. Mariana Mohylyn, 305 W. Sumner, expressed sincere appreciation and gratitude to Bill Walsh and his capable team of officers for recovering items precious to her. She indicated that crime and theft have been on the decline for Lake Elsinore and stressed that those protecting the community are doing a great job. She questioned the cost and expense of the Eastlake project, and suggested that it is necessary to have much more discussion and explanation. She noted the benefits and value of liberty. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS City Manager Watenpaugh noted need for a number of study sessions. He suggested October 16th from 3 to 5 p.m. for a session on Goals and Objectives. He detailed the other topics for discussion at study sessions including a presentation by WRCOG on Electrical Deregulation, a presentation by Eastern Municipal Water District regarding their reclaimed waterline and wetlands project, a request from Triple Crown regarding an open air market; and the ski school concession in the inlet channel. He requested direction for staff regarding this scheduling. He detailed the timing requested and noted the Council schedules. After discussion it was decided to consider the four topics detailed above on September 16th at 3 p.m. Councilman Alongi requested clarification of the topics. City Manager Watenpaugh clarified. Councilman Alongi requested that the ski school agreement be mailed to him for review. CITY ATTORNEY COMMENTS City Attorney Leibold noted the need to address two items in Closed Session. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS Councilman Metze commented on the following: 1) Requested the Council consider placement of a resolution on a future agenda regarding the California Caucus for cities and schools and explained the efforts by the City of Covina to get the monies back to the local jurisdictions. He indicated that there is a need for a constitutional initiative for reallocation of sales taxes. He stressed that he would like to see this effort move forward to get the tax dollars reallocated. Council concurred. Councilman Alongi commented on the following: 1) Noted that things are not always what they seem and addressed r{u PAGE TEN - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997 - the ball field indicating that it has cost every service lost by the community and stressed the need to be certain what is being discussed. He noted that he likes the ball field, but does not like what it costs. 2) Addressed the $500,000 questioned by Mrs. Stafford and indicated that it was used to address the debt on Tuscany Hills. He stressed where the taxes are going, and suggested that people need to know that the beautiful theater is costing tax dollars. 3) Commented that people who live out of the area chose to live there, but he chose to live here and must live with the decisions made by the Council. He indicated that people need to be careful with their statements and noted that he would be happy to call Mr. Feinberg. 4) Addressed the City Treasurer's report and stressed that he is entitled to the information he requests and the respect associated with the position. 5) Commented on Measure BB and indicated that if the Committee had done its job it would have passed. He indicated that it did not cost the City services, as those were provided through the General Fund. 6) Addressed the Eastlake project and noted that he has seen a lot of plans and agrees that it is a beautiful project. He noted the distrust by the community is because there have been so many changes to the project. He also noted the proximity of this presentation to the election, and commented that things seem to start to happen as an election approaches. He suggested that building is not occurring quickly, because Centex one of the biggest builders at the time is building at a rate of only 5 or 6 houses a month. 7) Commented on the Mayor's State of the City address and indicated there were a couple of problems with the information presented; first with what it is costing for the Outlet Center. He indicated that it is $107,000 a year for just the sewer assessment. He fiuther indicated that the figures on the sales tax, although it is the proper way to use the RDA, it is not producing what was expected. He noted that the Outlet Center sales tax since opening has been $3,100,000, or about $400,000 a year, even though it is doing its job. He noted that this is the only RDA investment showing a profit. He also noted the sales tax for Walmart, and detailed the breakdown by the year; but indicated that no one has done a study to see how much was diverted from mom and pop businesses and K -mart. He stressed that he does not think Walmart was a good investment based on the dollars presented. He cautioned the people to be careful of what the Mayor is telling them. - He quoted the Mayor regarding the Stadium costs going from $1.1 PAGE ELEVEN.- CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997 million to 0 and indicated that the agreement has not occurred yet. He indicated that he has no idea what will occur with TMC and the ball park. He further indicated that he will not support anything that does not fund the maintenance on the ball field entirely. He suggested that this discussion of the tax dollars is putting the cart before the horse. He noted the comment on plans to reopen the recreation area for day use only; and questioned if the City has the money to do that, why did that not occur when Mr. Watkins was there. He questioned the logic of spending the money to open the park this time of year and questioned the staffing for the facility. He indicated that he does not appreciate the Mayor's new acronym, noting that he opposes things because they are costly. He stressed that he does not want to spend tax dollars in the private sector; and indicated that Measure BB was caused by bad investments. 8) Addressed comments by Councilmembers Brinley and Kelley that the City is better off. He noted the finances in 1992 and noted the special events provided and that the parks were wide open. He indicated if they call things better today, they need to get off the Council. He stressed that the parks should be funded from the General Fund. 9) Announced that this Thursday, More than Three Minutes will be discussing the City Council candidates, their history and their experience. He indicated that he will open the phones and start talking about the candidates and see what the community thinks. 10) Acknowledged the letter from Mrs. Risk. 11) Stressed the importance of the RDA making secure investments, and noted the decreases in area property values. 12) Noted a letter regarding the racetrack from Mr. Maudlin. He f Cher noted a comment that it would keep people off the Ortega Highway and other speed zones. He expressed hopes that he was not suggesting that the speeders come to Lake Elsinore. He commented that he went on the Ortega and the recent improvements are beautiful; and suggested that the danger is in the drivers. 13) Addressed a letter from Main Street bakery, and agreed that if there is an allowance for businesses to make noise at 10 p.m., they need to assure that it is compatible with the other businesses and the public right of way. He stressed that the benches belong to the citizens, and indicated that the City should put together an ordinance that will give equality to all businesses in the area. He noted a discussion at the Monterey Conference regarding sidewalk cafes, but the businesses rented the space on the sidewalks, and suggested that the City should PAGE TWELVE - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26,:1997 ; . consider that as well. Mayor Pro Tem. Kelley commented on the following: 1) Provided an update for the citizens and Council regarding the Committees she is serving on including a note that the LSSI Management for library services has added three additional hours a week to the Lake Elsinore branch, and they will be opening on Saturdays, starting September 6th. She noted that this is a small but positive step. She also noted legislation signed by the Governor to allow cities to recover the funds collected by the County for libraries. 2) Reported on WRCOG and noted that they have key issues coming up regarding electric restructuring which will be considered at the upcoming Study Session. She noted that she will need council input on her vote on this matter. Also noted changes to the federal air quality regulations, with more stringent guidelines with far reaching impacts. 3) Expressed kudos to Florence Mowrer for her efforts on Waste Management, on behalf of the City. She indicated that she was very proud at the meeting when the overhead on the screen showed Lake Elsinore's reduction down to 47% and noted the 50% goal for the year 2000. She congratulated and thanked Mrs. Mowrer for her efforts. 4) Thanked staff for their efforts on Lakeshore Drive with tree trimming, etc., in spite of being stretched thin. 5) Noted the Chamber Mixer on Thursday night. Councilwoman Brinley commented on the following: 1) Thanked the staff for their work on the Visions and Views presentation for August on the Lake. Also thanked Pete Dawson for the use of the boats to take footage, and expressed hopes that everyone saw the program discussing the wetlands and the Lake. 2) Thanked Mr. Jackson of Java Junction, and indicated that it is wonderful when someone takes the time to encourage a young person's career. She indicated that it is the responsibility of the Council to go out and support this type of event, and noted that Mr. Jackson can always be relied on to do as he says and provide proper clean up and crowd control 3) Addressed Main Street and indicated that it is under enough constraints at this time. She indicated that she feels working together and planning events correctly does not hurt Main Street. She noted the potential PAGE THIRTEEN - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997 that this type of event would provide business for the other businesses. She commented on her discussions with other cities and noted that they use their downtown areas to draw people out in the evenings to enjoy the community. She indicated that she would like to see open air markets downtown as is done in Redlands. She explained that this is a 15 year tradition in Redlands, and stressed that it provides an opportunity to see the neighbors and support the community. 4) Addressed Mrs. Stafford and indicated that the parks are not closed, but open at a 50% level, and detailed the maintenance schedule. She, stressed that the parks are open for the public, but not for organized sports, and noted the Council efforts to find other solutions. She expressed appreciation to Mr. Summers for the "Adopt a Park" effort, which shows that the community is pulling together. Mayor Pape commented on the following: 1) Noted that his State of the City address last week was taped by the Cable Company and will be televised on Thursday night at 8 p.m. on _- channel 3. . 2), : Expressed appreciation to TMC for their presentation on the "Liberty" project and noted the impacts of the recession on delaying the project; and noted that things are now picking up and exciting things are starting to happen. He also noted that people from outside the Community sometimes are the first to see good things. 3) Indicated that he did not understand how anyone could find the Stadium lease proposal a bad thing. He stressed that the cost would go to zero, and noted that the comments at this meeting were all negative. 4) Addressed the number for the Outlet Center and Walmart and indicated that they were all provided by the Finance Department. He indicated that he asked for total revenues including sales tax and property tax revenue; and detailed the numbers for the Outlet and Walmart. He indicated that he would not second guess what the past City Councils have done, and stressed that these are much needed sources of income. D 5) Referred to CAARP acronym, and indicated that he meant it toward no one in particular, but meant to make it humorous. He noted that sometimes he feels that way, but it was not directed toward any one. CLOSED SESSION a. Conference with Legal Counsel - Pending Litigation. PAGE FOURTEEN - CITY COUNCIL MINUTES - AUGUST 26, 1997 1. Lytle Creek Partners vs. City of Lake Elsinore - Case #213915. b. Conference with Real Property Negotiator - 80.43 Acres - AP #365- 020 -026, 365- 020 -021, 365- 007 -026, 365- 020 -027 and portion of 370 - 020 -002 - TMC/LEA Settlement Agreement - Discussion of Terms of the Agreement.. City Attorney Leibold noted that there were two closed session items under 54956. 9a for item "a" and 54956.8 for item " b ". THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS ADJOURNED TO CLOSED SESSION ON THE ABOVE MENTIONED MATTERS AT 8:58 P.M. THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 9:56 P.M., WITH THE FOLLOWING ANNOUNCEMENTS. a. Conference with Legal Counsel - Pending Litigation. 1. Lytle Creek Partners vs. City of Lake Elsinore - Case #213915. LEGAL COUNSEL PROVIDED THE CITY COUNCIL WITH AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF LITIGATION AND THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY PROVIDED DIRECTION IN CONJUNCTION THEREWITH FOR STAFF TO WORK ON PLANNING THE MSC. B. Conference with Real Property Negotiator - 80.43 Acres - AP #365 -020- 026, 365- 020 -021, 365- 007 -026, 365- 020 -027 and portion of 370 - 020 -002 - TMC/LEA Settlement Agreement - Discussion of Terms of the Agreement. THE COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY DIRECTED STAFF TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATIONS. ADJOURNMENT MOVED BY PAPE, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADTVINW�P2A;E,MAYOR E REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT 9:59 P.M. ZITY OF LAKE ELSINORE