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ADJOURNED REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
183 NORTH MAIN STREET
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA
TUESDAY, JULY 15, 1997
CALL TO ORDER
The Adjourned Regular City Council Meeting was called to order by Mayor Pape at
7:09 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Bill Clark and Boy Scout Troop 99.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: ALONGI, BRINLEY,
KELLEY, METZE, PAPE
ABSENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE
Also present were: City Manager Watenpaugh, City Attorney Leibold,
Community Development Director Leslie, Community Services Director Sapp,
Police Chief Walsh, Fire Chief Seabert, Public Works Manager Payne,
Community Services Manager Edelbrock, Assistant to the City Manager Best,
City Engineer O'Donnell, Building and Safety Manager Russell and City Clerk
Kasad.
PUBLIC COMMENTS - AGENDIZED ITEMS
Requests were received to address the following items and deferred to those
discussions:
Item Nos. 31, 32 and 33.
MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY ALONGI AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADD ITEM NO. 34 TO THIS AGENDA FOR
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PARKS.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADD AN EMERGENCY ITEM NO. 4 TO THIS
AGENDA REGARDING A REQUEST FROM THE WOMEN'S CLUB FOR
SUPPORT OF THEIR EFFORTS IN GAINING DESIGNATION OF THEIR
BUILDING AS A CALIFORNIA HISTORICAL LANDMARK
Mayor Pape noted that he would call a short break following item no. 33 of this
agenda and those persons requesting to speak on parks may notify the City Clerk of
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their desire to speak at that time. He reminded the audience of the three minute
limitation per speaker, and noted that with the large number of people in attendance
conversations in the audience would cause significant interference with the
speakers.
City Attorney Leibold noted the need for other added items on the agenda being
cancellation of the City's Custodial Maintenance Contract as Item #35 and
consideration of adding a Closed Session matter to this agenda.
MOVED BY ALONGI, SECONDED BY KELLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADD ITEM NO. 35 TO THIS AGENDA
REGARDING CANCELLATION OF THE. EXISTING CUSTODIAL
MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
MOVED BY ALONGI, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO CONSIDER MATTER FOR CLOSED SESSION
AND DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROPOSED ISSUE SHOULD BE
DISCUSSED.
Councilman Alongi noted the large number of children in the audience for the parks
issue and suggested moving that matter to the beginning of the meeting so they can
go home earlier.
MOVED BY ALONGI, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO MOVE ITEM #34 TO THE BEGINNING OF THE
BUSINESS ITEMS.
CONSENT CALENDAR
The following items were pulled from the Consent Calendar for further discussion
and consideration:
Item Nos. 2 and 3
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY KELLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT
CALENDAR AS PRESENTED.
1. The following Minutes were approved:
a. Special City Council Meeting - June 10, 1997.
b. City Council Study Session - June 47 1997. (F:44.4)
4. Approved request from Women's Club for a letter of Support for their efforts
to gain California Historical Landmark designation for their building.
(F:108.1)
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BUSINESS ITEMS
34. Emergency Consideration of Park Fundine. (F:114.1)
City Manager Watenpaugh noted recent discussions with residents and
Council's interest in consideration of an emergency item. He commented on
the elimination of the parks budget as a result of Proposition 218, and noted
that the costs presented are accurate with the exception that they do not
include bringing back full time staff. He indicated that it would not be
realistic to bring back full time staff for only four months. He reiterated that
the figures do not represent replacement of City staff, but would allow for a
continuation with Excel Landscaping under contract.
Joe Arreola, 15060 Zieglinde, indicated that he would like to clarify issues
toward moving together to a Community goal. He noted a flyer circulated in
the Community and applauded the effort of activism, but questioned where
the distributors were prior to the June 3rd election. He further noted
comments in the flyer and indicated that the fall sports programs have already
been accommodated by the School District; and expressed a wish that the
distributors would have checked on the information first. He indicated that
the money has already been spent on fences and suggested they should be left
up until November until a solution has been approved. He concurred with the
flyer in that he feels the City should work with the Water District to provide
adequate water to protect the landscaping. He stressed the need for residents
to become part of the solution and suggested that the attendance at this
meeting shows that people woke up.
Kim Quon, 3524 Lake Crest Drive, noted a news article by Sandy Stokes and
indicated that it put this issue succinctly and detailed the financial shortfalls.
He indicated that the RDA payments, Diamond Stadium, etc. are as much as
2 to 4 times the cost of keeping the parks open. He noted the financial
difficulties people experienced in the early 90's when they started giving
things back, and suggested giving the Lake back to the State and getting rid
of the Diamond. He expressed concern with the City honoring contracts
rather than keeping the parks open. He noted the overwhelming supportive
vote for keeping the parks open and indicated that it is impossible to get two
thirds of anyone to agree on any one thing. He indicated that everyone who
wanted the parks open did vote to support Measure BB. He expressed pity
for Councilmembers up for election in November and suggested that their
actions are political suicide.
Robert Schiffner, 33450 Walham Place, indicated that he didn't want to talk
or hear about the choices made or not made on this issue, as everyone must
have a preference. He indicated that on this issue he has chosen to be in
favor of using some portion of the reserve funds to keep the parks open to
some degree until the Election. He further suggested putting off a decision on
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what to do with the fences until after the election. He indicated that he does
not care for taxes, but thinks it is important to take the risk, and find some
way to keep the parks open until November.
Harold Rothfuss, 15153 Versailles Street, noted that he is a grandfather
raising his grandchildren and has been a resident only six months. He noted
that there is now no where to take his grandchildren to play. He indicated
that the lake water stinks. He fin-ther indicated that he voted Yes on
Measure BB and was proud to do so; and stressed his interest in seeing the
parks remain open until the November Election.
Elizabeth Rodriguez, 3689 Linnet Drive, indicated that she has been a
resident for 11 years and spoke on behalf of her 4 and 8 year old children and
her 89 year old father. She indicated that the Council should "do the right
thing ".
Jackie Jones 143 N. Woodlake Road, indicated that she is a 3 year resident
and somewhat naive about City government, but does have basic.
understanding of being in the black and being in the red. She indicated that
she does not understand the value of the Diamond or Walmart and questioned
what the City is getting back from them. She questioned the amount of sales
tax received from Walmart; and who determined that there would be a 2 /3rds
vote requirement in Proposition 218. She indicated that she could not see
how the City could go so far over budget and approve of doing so. She
indicated that she is a renter and does not feel the burden of taxes should fall
on the homeowners alone; and questioned why the City would not run the
taxes through with the electricity, as it would be more evenly divided among
the residents. She noted that her son wants to know why he can't go to the
park and exercise like he used to.
Noelle Blouin, 663 Highlands, indicated that she came to this meeting for
clarification of the City's insurance status and who made the decision that the
parks needed to be closed.
Bump'n Bob, representing the Grandfather Motorcycle Club, indicated that
his organization is dedicated to helping the needy and suggested that closing
the parks was a terrible crime. He indicated that he was pissed off and
hoped the rest of the constituents were as mad as he is. He further indicated
that this is a sad situation and it is wrong to treat children this way. He
commented that he wants his son to have the best of the valley; with the
community taking care of kids the way his group does. He indicated that if
this is about money, the Council should be ashamed of their actions.
Donna Scharff, 15056 Danielle Way, thanked Councilman Metze for keeping
his promise. She apologized to Mr. Arreola for inferring that youth sports are
not available, but she was not aware that it was resolved in the last 24 hours.
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She indicated that the people have spoken and expressed hopes that the
Council's hearts and minds would be open.
Donald Kerch, 505 N. Ellis, introduced his sons and indicated that they need
the parks open. He questioned the potential liability of kids not having parks
to play in.
Ace Vallejos, 15231 Cobre, noted that he is a property owner within City
limits. He indicated that he would support a temporary measure to keep the
parks open to some degree. He questioned the measure for November and
commented on the replacement tax for what is missing to replace the money
taken away from the parks in total; and suggested that the rest is smoke and
mirrors. He stressed the need to go back to the basics and replace only the
$650,000 or less, because people can not afford to pay taxes for everything at
once. He further stressed the need to propose something that people will
vote together on, but don't fund anything in full until after November.
Dick Knapp, Elected City Treasurer, asked why the Council has destroyed
the community parks, and noted that they are dry and turning brown very fast.
He indicated that four Councihnembers, City Staff, the former City Attorney
and the former City Manager forced a measure on the electorate for $84 when
$25 would have sufficed. He suggested that there could have been two more
elections on the issue, but noted that he found $650,000 in the new budget
carryovers. He suggested that the stubbornness to force the issue has gone to
a level of insanity and the community is falling apart. He indicated that the
City has the money for a fall year and should not have gone this far in the first
place and nothing should have been shut off. He stressed the need for a vote
in support of this emergency measure for one full year, noting that he could
knock $500,000 off the new budget right now.
Cindy Ogle, 17184 Shrier, noted that she has visited Lake Elsinore since she
was a little girl and questioned where people will go now. She questioned the
use of the funds and stressed the need to reopen the vote on this issue.
Alan Whysong, 15076 Laurel, indicated that he was appalled that the Council
could not look people in the eye with the exception of a few. He indicated
that he has seven children and they need a safe place to play. He indicated
that his son just finished softball, but he is not sure he will get to play next
year; and must go across town to play football in another jurisdiction. He
suggested opening and keeping the parks open.
Rick Wernli, indicated that he is a coach with the Lake Elsinore Valley
Soccer Club and presented his team members to give the problem faces. He
indicated that this group represents both the future and the present of soccer
in Lake Elsinore. He indicated that the park closure just killed the season,
because it is difficult to find a place to practice. He noted the facilities being
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used in the interim and the difficulties with those facilities.
Leroy Tucker, 3532 Cherry Blossom, congratulated Mr. Watenpaugh on his
new position. He indicated that he wanted to believe there was a misprint in
the paper regarding Mr. Metze's promise to a group of residents. He noted
prior comments by Councilman Alongi regarding using the emergency fund to
keep the parks open; and suggested that could have occurred several months
ago. He indicated that he doesn't take sides on the issue, but he does know
that it hurts the kids. He indicated that he has voted for every one of them at
one time or another and stressed the need to do something to address this
issue.
John Seepe, 15631 Half Moon, noted the June 17th Study Session at City
Hall and the discussions at that meeting. He concurred with Mr. Vallejos
that the concern arose out of the $650,000, and other concerns should have
been put aside. He further noted that on June 17th the Mayor suggested
putting Fire Stations as a separate issue and now the Lake is being similarly
considered. He suggested putting the parks on as a separate issue. He
indicated that if it is necessary to go into the reserves for the parks, he thinks
it is warranted. He indicated that if the parks open soon it will make his
attempt at election-more difficult. He noted a $4,000 check from the
Downtown Business Association and indicated that Granny's Kitchen was a
big part of that, but she has not received one thank you for their effort. He
encourage people to thank her.
Edith Stafford quoted City documents regarding the City's accounts and
indicated that the Council has not bee straightforward and up front with the
facts. She indicated that Measure BB was an attempt to extort $2.8 million
from the taxpayers. She noted the balances in the General Fund from April
30th to present. She indicated that the City has the money to open the parks
for a year.
Helena Holman indicated that she was appalled that the parks were even an
issue, as they are a vital part of Lake Elsinore. She indicated that she would
like to see the parks covered by the general fund in the future; and considered
as important as any RDA funds or other programs. She addressed Mrs.
Scharff and indicated that she was very impressed with her. She noted that
she has seen Councilman Alongi trying to get the rest of the Council to use
emergency funds for a while now. She indicated that the parks should have
never been closed, as they are an obligation of the Council to the residents.
Dale Hite, 115 N. Kellogg, thanked Mrs. Scharff and her husband for opening
their home to allow for a discussion of budgets. He indicated that when he
attends a Council Meeting he runs the risk of loosing his job. He further
indicated that he hopes the new measure is written well enough to pass. He
questioned the budget and indicated that keeping parks closed was not an
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option. He suggested fundraising events to offset the City's other funds. He
indicated he has heard a lot about what the Council will not do, but stressed
the need to invest funds to get some in return.
Mike Mena, 31671 Willow View Place, indicated that he is very disappointed
by the closure of the parks, but can not point fingers at the Council. He
indicated that it was very clear in the election that the funds were needed to
keep the parks open. He noted that everyone wants to see the parks open, but
questioned what happens in a major emergency. He stressed that the closure
was the fault of the City residents who did not support Measure BB.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS RECESSED AT 8:11 P.M.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 8:27 P.M.
Gayland Long, 16506 Kiwi Way, indicated that he just moved to Lake
Elsinore and heard the parks would be closing. He indicated that he did not
believe the parks could close, but apologized for not voting on Measure BB.
Dorothy Metze commended the Council for the stand they have taken thus
far, in being prudent with the reserve funds.. She encouraged continued
prudence in considering whether this was an emergency situation. She
encouraged Measure BB supporters to agree to put their money where the
votes are, noting a "Penny for the Parks" drive and suggested public support
to send a message to the Council on the use of emergency funds.
City Manager Watenpaugh detailed the losses over the last 3 or 4 years and
indicated that the City is still in the position of loosing funds, but continuing
to have services mandated.. He stressed the State take backs and noted the
difficulty for local governments to supply services. He further stressed the
City's budget reductions, outsourcing and contracting for services to reduce
the expenditures; and reiterated the efforts to maintain existing reserves,
improve the financial status and credit rating. He detailed the efforts of the
Revenue and Services Task Force and their findings with regard to the need
for a new revenue source. He stressed their belief that there should be
consideration given to items other than the parks. He further stressed the
potential needs for the reserve funds in the case of fires, floods and lawsuits.
Mayor Pape noted that the parks are a very emotional issue, but stressed that
the advisors are telling the Council to be mindful of their other
responsibilities. He stressed the need to look six months or a year down the
road.
City Attorney Leibold reiterated the concerns for funding needed for pending
litigation. She stressed that the outside potential liability currently exceeds
the proposed reserve fund. She indicated that while there is no statutory
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requirement for the reserves, there are underlying levels required for the
City's financing efforts. She noted comments regarding the contractual
obligations of the City and indicated that to breech those obligations would
only multiply the City's liability, via court fees, attorney fees and other
damages. She stressed the need to honor inherited contracts.
Councilwoman Brinley requested more information on the values of pending
litigation.. City Attorney Leibold offered to compile that information. City
Manager Watenpaugh indicated that the Lytle Creek litigation regarding the
wetlands carries exposure of $1.9 million and the Sportsman's Lodge suit is
for $1.3 million. City Attorney Leibold concurred, but noted that these are
only two of the cases to which the City is a party.; Councilwoman Brinley
stressed that those cases were inherited by this Council, Mayor Pape noted
that this discussion is a matter of short term solutions vs. long term solutions.
He explained that the issue is now the period between now and November
and November to next July, and noted that most of the comments presented
only consider the next four months.
Councilman Metze noted that he has historically been opposed to the use of
reserve funds, but believes the last election opened a lot of eyes. He
concurred that the Council did inherit a lot of the problems on this issue. He
indicated that the Council was asked to deal with the City's financial situation
and that was much of the basis for his stand on use of the reserves, but in this
instance he was trying to be flexible and urge cooperation. He noted that the
"Pennies for the Parks" approach might be helpful and with the effort from the
Community could raise some money. He commented that the parks should
stay up until November, but he would be in favor of some money being
allocated to allow the kids to play at the parks. He indicated that a utility tax
is not an option because the citizens did not support it. -: He noted that
Walmart and the Outlet Center jointly generate well over $1 million dollars a
year. He indicated that he is not opposed to finding a figure amenable to the
insurance to make the parks available to the kids.
Councilwoman Brinley commented that the Council has inherited some deep
problems to solve. She addressed the Grandfather's Motorcycle Group and
indicated that the Council has never opposed the efforts of that group, and
stressed the past support of their efforts. She stressed the liability risk factors
and indicated that the parks have never been fully funded by the general fund.
She indicated that she was in the community when there were no parks,
except City Park, Swick - Matich and Yarborough Park. She noted that she
addressed the issue when she was on the Planning Commission; and it was
not an easy decision to close the parks she helped bring to the Community.
She questioned the Walmart and Outlet Center sales tax further. City
Manager Watenpaugh clarified.
Councilwoman Brinley noted other projects and their generation of sales tax
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and stressed the improved quality of life and shopping opportunities. She
addressed Mrs. Scharff and noted the comment about saving $500,000 and
noted that based on past discussion, she knows Mrs. Scharff to be a
negotiator of contracts for Hughes Corporation, to find ways to lower the
costs. She also noted Mrs. Scharfi's suggestion about working with other
communities; and while the Council had no problem with looking at that, it
would not help this year's budget. She stressed the Council's efforts to be
accessible and meet with people to promote better understanding, and
reiterated that this was a very difficult decision and noted her children and
grandchildren's use of the parks. She encouraged residents to verify the
figures presented with a City budget available at City Hall_ She expressed
concern that while it was difficult to communicate with every resident, the
Council has been discussing this issue for the last 18 months. She stressed the
cost of the pending litigation, the potential dangers of depleting the reserves
and the need to address emergency situation.
Mayor Pro Tern Kelley responded to the questions from the audience
regarding the 2 /3rds requirement set by Proposition 218, and reiterated that
this was a requirement of the proposition. She noted that the developer
agreements were inherited by - this Council, the Stadium Contract is being
renegotiated and the State does not want the Lake back. She indicated that a
Utility Tax could be passed on a simple majority, but noted the failure of the
Murrieta measure. She explained her understanding of the liability should
the parks remain open; and stressed that the 2 /3rds vote was a mandate of
Proposition 218. She indicated that the only tax that could pass on a simple
majority is a City special tax such as utility tax like Murrieta was defeated on.
She concurred that a Utility Tax impacts everyone equally. She noted
comments from the speakers and requested clarification of the way that the
Insurance Authority operates. Mr- Watenpaugh explained the JPIA
Insurance pool of dollars which are predeposited, and detailed the premiums
and reductions in cost this year. He clarified that the JPIA was asked to
respond to a question regarding the liability and recommendations if the
fences were to be closed. He further clarified that while they provided
recommendations, it was not a JPIA decision to close the parks, but rather a
City decision based on the potential for risk. Mayor Pro Tem Kelley
reiterated that it is logical if the parks cannot be maintained and there are no
lights at night the liability would be tremendous. She also noted the potential
for vandalism. She addressed Mrs. Scharff and questioned where she was
when people were requested to come forward, and noted that her skills would
have been helpful. She inquired whether Mrs. Scharff went to the polls, and
expressed hopes that she did. She stressed that the ballot measures are
intended to address replacement of funds which have gone away. She noted
comments by City Treasurer Knapp regarding a carryover and requested
clarification from City Manager Watenpaugh. Mr. Watenpaugh indicated
that the reports received by Mr. Knapp are not yet completed for the fiscal
year. He clarified with some numbers which are not yet in the possession of
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Mr. Knapp and detailed the cash pool, the reductions since May 1 st, and the
reserve estimate at June 30th. He provided extensive detail on the General
Fund projects, proposed budget and required transfers. He reiterated that the
last fiscal year has not yet been completed and not all receivables for June
have been received. He indicated that the projections appear to be about
$100,000 off at this time. Mayor Pro Tem Kelley questioned the use of
reserves for emergencies and the types of items they have been used for in the
past. Mr. Watenpaugh detailed the uses over the last 3 to 4 years, and noted
that the funds from flood claims are being reimbursed. Mrs. Kelley
questioned the flood expenses. Mr. Watenpaugh advised that much of those
expenses were for providing sandbags and assistance to private property
owners, which are generally items for which the City fronts the costs and is
later reimbursed. Mrs. Kelley questioned what could be done without those
up front costs. Mr. Watenpaugh indicated that the level of services provided
would need to be reduced.
Mrs. Kelley addressed Mrs. Holman, and indicated that since 1989 the
LLMD has maintained the parks, and the City is not financially able to draw
them back into the General Fund. She indicated that mandated services are
Police, Fire and Street Maintenance, and stressed that the budget is bare
bones, with significant reductions in services. , She stressed that Proposition
218 was the "straw that broke the camel's back "; and that was what forced
the Council to form a Citizen's committee to study the budget and hold the
last election. She noted that only 3,000 of the 9,500 registered voters chose
to show up and voice their opinions. She stressed the countless attempts to
get people to get educated and go to the polls. She noted the current
requests to dig into the reserves and commented that some will support the
new measure and some will not. She stressed the Council's responsibility to
address the important issues and meet legal obligations. She reiterated that
the only place for movement of the funds in the reserves and stressed the
potential for emergency situations requiring those funds. She indicated that
she has pledged to work for long and short term solutions to address the
inherited obligations; and indicated that it would be irresponsible to deplete
the reserves, particularly with no guarantees for November. She stressed the
need to come together as a community to find solutions and develop the
future of the Community. She noted that Mr. Gunn is working on the Bond
pool and has advised Council that they need to protect the reserves. She
indicated that the Water District has offered options for reduced rates on
water, but not free water. Mr. Watenpaugh noted that the City's Sulphur
Well is being used to water the trees and shrubbery.
Mayor Pape noted that most of his comments have been made and noted an
editorial in the Press Enterprise on June 10th:" He indicated that the City
would welcome volunteers to help with the water truck in watering the parks.
He commented that the Council is currently faced with the decision between
what is financially best and what is politically popular. He noted the costs to
get to November and questioned the funding between November of this year
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and July of next year, and quesitoned where the dollars would come from.
He stressed that short and long term solutions are needed. He indicated that
he ran some numbers and could bring back the parks to the level the
developers are funding at this time He explained that McVicker Park is the
most expensive to maintain and Swick- Matich is used by the youth groups,
but the youth groups have found other locations and are still able to play. He
suggested leaving those two parks out, and working with the remaining four
parks; to open for four months at a minimum level, with grass watered and
mowed less, at a cost of about $27,000, which would be .a reasonable impact
and not put the City at undue risk. He stressed the need to maintain reserves;
but indicated that even with a compromise, it is not possible to please
everyone. He noted the criticism of past Councils on financial matters, and
now this Council is being faced with being prudent with the capital left in
reserves. He noted the past interest in a movie theater and the public interest
on that issue which forced the Council's decision. He questioned the best
option in this situation.
Councilman Alongi indicated that he brought a 1980 -81 budget and noted the:
tough decisions. He noted that the Council at that time found the most
important thing to be the public parks, and stressed that the General Fund
paid for parks at that time. He advised that in that budget 13% was given to
parks and recreation. He stressed what it took to make the community
function at that time; and expressed surprise at some comments by Mrs.
Kelley. He suggested that the Council was blaming others for past mistakes,
while Walmart is receiving $7.5 million a year, dealing with CFD's which are
not the public's responsibility and worrying about lawsuits. He quesitoned
why there was negotiation on the Stadium when the City is loosing $2 million
a year on it. He indicated that other actions are irresponsible and this is not a
request to deplete the reserves. He suggested that this was getting into scare
tactics again. He suggested possible areas for reductions in cost and
suggested that it would cost $29,000 a month to maintain all nine parks. He
suggested taking the money out in monthly increments. He indicated that the
developers indicated that they would keep the parks open, but this was a very
self serving effort to put money in their pockets. He indicated that he can
sympathize with the comments by staff, but stressed the impact on children
and the community. He noted the expenditures by the prior Council and
questioned where the City Manager and City Treasurer were at that time. He
stressed the need to plan for now, not for the future. He indicated that Media
One should have been televising this meeting as it is the most important
meeting we will ever have in this building. He addressed the Committee and
indicated that they did a fine job in the Community, but they built up too
many animosities against those who voted no on Measure BB. He indicated
that they would have gone for the parks only in June and the rest of the
services later. He noted a recent opinion page and indicated that it is easy to
criticize when they don't have any information on the budget and what can be
done legally. He commented that Mayor Pape's option is discriminatory to
suggest maintaining one park over another park; and indicated that if any park
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is opened, they should all be opened. He suggested that in the future the
Council should put the parks back in the General Fund where they belong and
then the Council will be more careful when approving new parks. He
indicated that Council needs to tell the City Manager to proceed and wait to
see the results of the November Election. He expressed hopes for more
dollars in the future and indicated the Council should not gamble with the
funding for parks.
Councilwoman Brinley indicated Council never gambled with the parks.
Mrs. Brinley requested clarification on the K -Mart funds. City Manager
Watenpaugh provided clarification of the dollars committed to Camelot
Properties and noted that those funds would not cover a major fire.
Councilman Metze questioned the situation with the developers keeping the
parks open and what the developers would do. City Manager Watenpaugh
suggested that if money was found, there would be a question of why they
should assist and they might back off from that assistance. Councilwoman
Brinley further questioned the potential for continued participation by the
developers; and indicated that before making a decision she would like to
assure that the development community would continue to participate. City
Manager Watenpaugh apologized, but noted that the Tuscany Hills park
would be funded by Colrich Homes for only one month, but noted that they
would fund at the 50% operation level to save the grass.
Councilman Metze noted that the point of this discussion would be to get
something going tomorrow, and suggested looking at a 50% level for all parks
with a $45,000 commitment, and when that it used up, have staff return to
Council for direction. He indicated it was important to let people know that
they need to get out and work so the City can provided matching funds.
Councilwoman Brinley questioned the potential of the developers deciding
tomorrow to let the City cover every park. `Mr' Metze clarified his proposal
with regard to the need for fundraising; and suggested a lesser amount than
proposed by Councilman Alongi, but more than proposed by Mayor Pape.
Councilwoman Brinley questioned whether the fences would remain. Mr.
Metze indicated that they need to be kept up due to the cost of removal and
reinstallation. Councilman Alongi questioned Tuscany Hills and whether the
gates would be locked. City Manager Watenpaugh clarified that they would
want the gates locked to preserve the shrubbery and grass. Councilman
Alongi indicated that he is discussing all of the parks and suggested that
$29,000 is a reduction in the monthly amount and keeps the parks open at a
30% level. He noted that it is only three months until November, and
suggested that the Council should let the citizens decide on what they want.
Mayor Pape indicated that July 15th to November 15th is four months.
Councilman Alongi clarified his proposal. There was general discussion of
the replacement funds as proposed.
MOVED BY METZE TO ALLOCATE $45,000 TO MAINTAIN PARKS AT
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A 50% LEVEL WITH GATES OPEN AND FENCES REMAINING UP,
WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO RETURN WHEN THE FUNDS ARE
USED UP; WITH THE FUNDS RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY TO BE
SPREAD EVENLY OVER THE PARKS AND THE CITY TO MATCH
FUNDS THRU THE END OF NOVEMBER TO KEEP THE PARKS OPEN.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
MOVED BY ALONGI TO SPEND $29,000 A MONTH TO KEEP THE
PARKS OPEN. MOTION DIED FOR LAW OF A SECOND.
CA-
Mayor Pro Tem Kelley questioned Mr. Metze's motion. Mr. Metze clarified
his proposal for fundraising. Mrs. Kelley inquired whether there was an
update on Mr. Summers efforts. Mayor Pape indicated that he spoke with
him today and so far there has been very little support from the Community
and he received a call which suggested that he suspend his efforts until after
this meeting. Mrs. Brinley inquired who made that call. Mayor Pape
indicated that was not an important factor.
MOVED BY PAPE, SECONDED BY KELLEY THAT SINCE SOME OF
THE PARKS ARE SUPPORTED BY DEVELOPERS, STAFF BE
DIRECTED TO CONTACT THEM FOR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF THE
PARKS AND THE CITY PROVIDE THE SAME SERVICES CITY WIDE
TO MAINTAIN THE PARKS EXCEPT SWICK - MATICH AND
MCVICKER, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT $27,000 AND ALLOT THAT
MONEY TO GET SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS OPEN, PROVIDE
WATER AND USE AT A MINIMAL LEVEL FOR FOUR MONTHS.
Councilman Alongi questioned whether Tuscany Hills would still be fenced
and locked; and whether the intent was to discriminate against use by youth
sports groups. Mayor Pape indicated that the youth groups are playing at
other facilities. Councilman Alongi indicated that it is not the responsibility
of others to provide for the youth sports; and indicated that it only took the
Council ten minutes to pay a $500,000 debt that it was not necessary to pay.
He indicated that the City has the funds, and suggested allocation of
$100,000. Councilwoman Brinley inquired whether the intent would be to
address five parks or all of the parks. Mayor Pape indicated that it did not
include the parks supported by the developers or the sports parks.
Councilman Alongi inquired how the parks could be used. Mayor Pape noted
the potential uses at parks such as Machado.
THE FOREGOING MOTION FAILED TO CARRY BY A VOTE OF 2 TO 3
WITH ALONGI, BRINLEY AND METZE CASTING THE DISSENTING
VOTES.
MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY ALONGI AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ALLOCATE $45,000 TO MAINTAIN PARKS AT
A 50% LEVEL WITH GATES OPEN AND FENCES REMAINING UP,
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WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO RETURN WHEN THE FUNDS ARE
USED UP; WITH THE FUNDS RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY TO BE
SPREAD EVENLY OVER THE PARKS AND THE CITY TO MATCH
FUNDS THRU THE END OF NOVEMBER TO KEEP THE PARKS OPEN
Councilman Alongi indicated that he would second this motion rather than
beating a dead horse.
31. Second Reading Ordinance No 1031 - Swimming in the Lake. (F:92.1)
Mayor Pro Tem Kelley requested that this item be pulled for an additional
reading on the swimming issue. She noted meeting with Supervisor Buster
after an earlier meeting with some residents around the Lake; and explained
that some verbiage was changed a bit. Councilman Alongi agreed that this
item should be continued and brought back for review of all proposals and
discussion with legal counsel. He indicated that he would like to discuss this
matter in closed session with regard to legal exposure.
MOVED BY ALONGI, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE REGULAR
CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 129 1997.
City Manager Watenpaugh requested clarification of the direction to staff.
Councilman Alongi requested that the matter be brought back for discussion
of the legal options. He suggested discussion in closed session on August
12th.
32. November 4 1997 -Municipal Election Ballot Measure. (17:72.2)
City Manager Watenpaugh noted that representatives of the Citizen's Task
Force were present to discuss their recommendations. He explained that the
proposal was for a menu ballot in three different categories.
Task Force Chairwoman Hohenadl noted that she was sorry that so many
people left the meeting and stressed their need for support of this ballot
measure for the November 4th Election. She explained that the intent was to
address the total of $1.6 million being lost by the City, which would cover the
rollback and maintain current general services. She stressed the efforts put
forth for support of Measure BB and the options discussed by the Task Force
to gather input for a reasonable option to address everyone's concerns. She
further stressed that she also passionately wants the parks open, as she walks
in them every day. She detailed the three menu categories being proposed
and the monthly cost breakdowns. She explained that if all three are
approved the total cost would be about $69.12 per year or $5.70 per month.
She further explained that the Task Force is requesting a six year sunset
clause to allow for future reconsideration.. She reminded the public that the
Task Force would remain to oversee the use of the funds and provide
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a statement on the use of the funds. She indicated that interested parties
could obtain more information from City Hall and encouraged everyone to
vote.
Marilyn Schiffaer, indicated that she is not on the task force, but suggested
that there be four categories rather than three; keeping parks & community
center separate in a category of its own. She explained that this would give
everyone a chance to vote for or against the parks and if the services are lost
the responsibility will be on those who vote.
Donna Franson, appealed to residents with regard to progress of the City, but
noted the State take -aways from all California cities. She suggested that
instead of turning anger toward the City, it should be focused on the State,
even though it is easier to get to the locals. She noted the potential that the
State will go to the cities again to balance their budget; and indicated that
many cities are trying to solve problems the same way this City is. She
stressed the need to vote on the measures to get on the right start. She
suggested that the six year sunset clause is like an insurance for the future.
She noted the positive factors in the community and suggested that people
really find out about the City and its operations, and indicated that staff is
willing to share any needed information.
Chris McColley, Vice -Chair of the Citizens Task Force and Chair of the Yes
on Measure BB Committee, noted the new proposal with community input.
She stressed the efforts to incorporated feedback from the extensive efforts of
Measure BB in this proposal, and detailed the efforts to get the word out and
obtain input. She expressed belief that this recommendation is a more fine
tuned proposal because of increased input and refinement. She indicated that
they don't just want the supermajority approval, but they want to address as
many needs as possible and address the most prevalent concerns. She noted
that the tax has been reduced by one half million dollars and includes the fire
station, with a menu selection for the voters. She stressed the importance of
becoming informed and voting in November.
Chris Hyland, 15191 Wavecrest Drive, indicated that she has never heard so
much garbage in her life; and noted that many signatures were obtained for
the recall petition as a result of this evenings actions. She indicated that she
is opposed to the ballot proposal and will work vigorously to defeat it. She
addressed Parks and Recreation, and indicated that she must have missed
something and hoped every citizen in Lake Elsinore realizes that this measure
is in addition to the things already in the general fund. She questioned the
Senior Center and the proposed funding, and questioned how much is going
to youth and teen programs. She indicated that if there is not a measure for
Parks only, the measures will fail and she will do her part to assure failure.
John Seepe, 15631 Half Moon Drive, noted that he has already said several
times and submitted a petition suggesting that the Measure be for $650,000
is
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with the parks broken out. He indicated that this proposal is much better and
more proper than last time. He expressed appreciation for the opportunity to
participated and indicated that it was a beneficial relationship for both sides.
He thanked the Task Force and indicated that everyone has the right to vote,
but the last measure was too all inclusive. He reiterated that he would like to
see the parks presented separately, but indicated that he will not openly
oppose the measure.
James Gray, 15259 Mimosa Drive, thanked the committee for getting on the
right track with the tax issue. He noted that if everything passes, in six years
the $2.3 million will become $5 million, and indicated that there is a need for
a linear decline to adjust for growth or shorten the time of the sunset clause
and adjust the tax rate for growth.' He indicated that at present he will only
support one of the three factors; but if the sunset clause is reduced to two
years, he will support this tax measure 100 %. He stressed the right of the
people to have control over taxes.
Joe Arreola, indicated that he was at the study session last night and one item
was a reduction in this tax. He clarified that it could be reduced yearly, but
could not increase without voter approval. He concurred with the proposed
annual review of the tax, and indicated that would like that review to know
what the programs will costs. He expressed confusion with the comments by
Mr. Vallejos, since he does not live or vote int he City. Councilman Alongi
noted that Mr. Vallejos owns property in the City. Mr. Arreola addressed
Mr. Seepe and indicated that for those with children parks and recreation are
one and the same.
Councilman Alongi concurred with the comments by Mr. Gray and Mr.
Areola on the distribution of funds and indicated that he feels the committee
information was important and should have been heard by the Community.
He indicated that the Council should make a point, that if it is going to change
the meeting date, then Media One should at least record the meeting for later
broadcast.
Mayor Pro Tem Kelley thanked the Committee for their proposal, and
expressed concern for ending up with facilities and no money for operations
or funding. City Manager Watenpaugh suggested that with regard to what the
funds are for, they could be broken down into exactly what they would go
for; but explained that the only way to guarantee the distribution is to explain
regularly what it will be spent for, because not enough verbiage is allowed in
the measure to clarify further. There was general discussion of earmarking
the funds and the annual reporting as proposed.
Councilman Alongi indicated that if the Measure when with the thorough
breakdown, it would get his vote with no discussion at all. He further
indicated that he would like to see the Fourth of July events increased to the
normal amount of expenditure. He reiterated his support for the itemized
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approach as part of the menu. Councilwoman Brinley indicated that the
figures are fine as they are. Mayor Pape questioned what happens if the
Council locks in on specific items. City Manager Watenpaugh suggested
that the balances and expenditures would be reported quarterly by staff, with
an opportunity to go back to the public if it is not working. Councilman
Alongi indicated that with the breakdown as discussed there would be an
excellent chance of approval. He indicated that staff is quite capable of
budgeting the necessary services.
Councilman Metze concurred with the breakdown and indicated that the
annual review is fine. He pointed out that "Special Enforcement" needs to
have some flexibility to address the concerns in a given time frame such as
gangs or burglaries, etc.
Mayor Pro Tem Kelley noted that parks and recreation are tied together and
are intertwined. She commented that she understands the proposal but it is
scary because the parks at risk. She stressed the need for a 100%
commitment to get the proposal passed. Councilman Alongi indicated that if
the Council agrees to this type of menu detail the measure stands a chance. _:
Mayor Pape requested clarification that with the format as proposed plus the
recreation breakdown that Councilman Alongi would support the ballot
measure. Councilman Alongi indicated that with what Mr. Watenpaugh has
provided he will support the ballot measure to let the people make the
decision. He indicated that he would still like to see an increase in the July
4th funding. He reiterated that if it is placed with the explanation as
proposed, it will have his support. He indicated that he disagrees with the
80,000 for the Senior Center, and detailed the areas with which he is in
agreement.
MOVED BY PAPE, SECONDED BY BRINLEY TO ADOPT RESOLUTION
NOS. 97 -44 THRU 97 -46 PLACE THE BALLOT MEASURES ON THE
NOVEMBER BALLOT AS RECEIVED FROM THE CITIZEN'S TASK
FORCE WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES BREAKDOWN AS
FOLLOWS:
Community Center Operation
Personnel Services
Materials and Supplies
Marketing & Promotion
(includes postage)
Training & Education
Equipment Maintenance & Repair
Travel and Meetings
Total Operating Expenses
Capital Improvements
(1st year - air conditioning)
$70,000
$ 4,000
$25,000
$ 500
$ 500
$ 1,000
$101,000
$ 35,000
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Special Events
Halloween Carnival
$ 1,500
Easter Egg Hunt/Children's Fair
$ 2,000
Holiday Tree Lighting
$ 500
Holiday Boat Parade
$ 250
Breakfast with Santa
$ 500
Winterfest
$27,000
4th of July
$30,000
New Special Events
$42,250
Total Special Events
$1049000
Youth Diversion Programs
Kids -on -Track $40,000 -
Teen Program $40,000
Total Youth Diversion $80,000
TOTAL $320,000
RESOLUTION NO. 97 -44
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE'CALIFORNIA, CONSOLIDATING A BALLOT
MEASURE WITH THE HOLDING OF A GENERAL MUNICIPAL
ELECTION TO BE HELD IN SAID CITY ON TUESDAY,
NOVEMBER 4, 1997, FOR SUBMISSION TO THE QUALIFIED
ELECTORS OF SAID CITY RELATING TO THE IMPOSITION OF
A SPECIAL TAX TO FUND CERTAIN GOVERNMENTAL
SERVICES (PARKS & RECREATION)
RESOLUTION NO. 97 -45
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, CONSOLIDATING A BALLOT
MEASURE WITH THE HOLDING OF A GENERAL MUNICIPAL
ELECTION TO BE HELD IN SAID CITY ON TUESDAY,
NOVEMBER 4, 1997, FOR SUBMISSION TO THE QUALIFIED
ELECTORS OF SAID CITY RELATING TO THE IMPOSITION OF
A SPECIAL TAX TO FUND CERTAIN GOVERNMENTAL
SERVICES (PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES)
RESOLUTION NO. 97 -46
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, CONSOLIDATING Az BALLOT
MEASURE WITH THE HOLDING OF A GENERAL MUNICIPAL
ELECTION TO BE HELD IN SAID CITY ON TUESDAY,
NOVEMBER 4, 1997, FOR SUBMISSION TO THE QUALIFIED
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ELECTORS OF SAID CITY RELATING TO THE IMPOSITION OF
A SPECIAL TAX TO FUND CERTAIN GOVERNMENTAL
SERVICES. (THE LAKE)
Councilwoman Brinley indicated that this breakdown is in the moderate zone
and staff has a good key on the use of the money. She requested the
inclusion of a statement to the public with regard to how the funds will be
spent in the annual budget. City Attorney Leibold clarified that this
breakdown can't be part of the ballot measure due to the word count limit.
THE FOREGOING MOTION CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
33. Adoption of 1997 -98 Fiscal Year Budget. (17:30.1)
City Manager Watenpaugh noted last night's study session on the budget and
noted the breakdowns by account. He provided a breakdown of the
projections for year end on June 30th, the projected revenues, transfers to
reserves on June 30, 1998. He noted that staff has made a number of
reductions including cutbacks and layoffs and will be restructuring at an
upcoming goals and policies study session.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY KELLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 97 -54 ADOPTING
THE FISCAL YEAR 1997 -98 CITY BUDGET.
RESOLUTION NO. 97 -54
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING AND ADOPTING
THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 1997 -98 AND APPROPRIATING
THE FUNDS NECESSARY TO MEET THE EXPENDITURES SET
FORTH HEREIN.
35. Cancellation of Existing Custodial Maintenance Contract - Award of Contract
to Second Lowest Bidder. (F:68. 1)(X:50. 1)
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS RECESSED AT 11:16 P.M.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 11:24 P.M.
City Attorney Leibold noted the approval of the existing contract in January
to the lowest responsible bidder; however the contractor underbid the
contract and has had several months of correspondence indicating that they
were loosing too much money. She indicated that the contract will be ending
on July 27th and the City would be left without janitorial services. She
explained that the proposal is for two contracts.
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Community Services Director Sapp noted that the situation is that the primary
provider has issued a 30 day notice and staff has tried to rectify the situation,
but it is now in the City's best interest to terminate effective July 27th and
enter a contract with the second bidders for the City Facilities and the
Stadium. He detailed the costs which would be a savings overall with the
closure of the community center. He indicated that it will be necessary to
absorb about $6,000 into this year's budget. Mayor Pape questioned the
ability to escape the contract without penalty. Mr. Sapp indicated at this
point it would be possible.
Councilman Alongi questioned the monthly operations cost for the community
center. Community Services Director Sapp indicated that the operating
budget for 1996 -97 was $ 117,000 including staff, materials and supplies.
City Attorney Leibold noted that the findings will come back in the form of a
Resolution regarding the public necessity.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY
j` UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ACCEPT ABM'S CANCELLATION NOTICE
EFFECTIVE JULY 279 1997; AWARD THE CLEANING CONTRACT FOR
THE DIAMOND STADIUM TO BECHTEL MAINTENANCE SERVICES
OF TEMECULA, AWARD THE CLEANING CONTRACT OF CITY
' FACILITIES TO R & B BUILDING MAINTENANCE OF TEMECULA
AND DIRECTED STAFF TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENTS AND
SECURE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION FROM BOTH FIRMS.
ITEMS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR
2. Resolution No 97-55 Confirming_ Placement of Weed Abatement Costs on
the Pro pea y Tax Roll.(F:116.1)
3. Resolution No 97 -56 Confirming Placement of Nuisance Abatement Costs
on Proped Tax Roll. (F:32.4)
Councilman Alongi questioned the deadline for notifying the County on the
placement of abatements on the taxes. Building & Safety Manager Russell
indicated that the deadline for notification is August 10th including this
Resolution.
MOVED BY ALONGI, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NOS. 97 -55 AND 97 -56:
RESOLUTION NO. 97-55
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE,
CALIFORNIA, CONFIRMING AN ITEMIZED WRITTEN REPORT
SHOWING COST OF WEED AND RUBBISH ABATEMENT,
CONFIRMING THE ITEMIZED WRITTEN REPORT FOR EACH
SEPARATE PARCEL OF LAND REQUIRED BY SECTION 39574 OF
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THE GOVERNMENT CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA,
AND PROVIDING THAT THE COSTS THEREOF ON EACH
PARCEL OF LAND SHALL CONSTITUTE A SPECIAL
ASSESSMENT AGAINST SAID PARCELS OF LAND PURSUANT
TO SECTION 39574 OF GOVERNMENT CODE OF THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA, AND PROVIDING FOR THE FILING OF SAID
ASSESSMENTS AS PROVIDED IN SAID GOVERNMENT CODE.
RESOLUTION NO. 97-56
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE,
CALIFORNIA, CONFIRMING A ITEMIZED WRITTEN REPORT
SHOWING COST OF NUISANCE ABATEMENT, CONFIRMING
THE ITEMIZED WRITTEN REPORT FOR EACH SEPARATE
PARCEL OF LAND REQUIRED BY SECTION 39574 OF THE
GOVERNMENT CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND
PROVIDING THAT THE COSTS THEREOF ON EACH PARCEL OF
LAND SHALL CONSTITUTE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AGAINST
SAID PARCELS OF LAND PURSUANT TO SECTION 39574 OF
GOVERNMENT CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND
PROVIDING FOR THE FILING OF SAID ASSESSMENTS AS
PROVIDED IN SAID GOVERNMENT CODE.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS RECESSED AT 11:30 P.M.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 11:32 P.M.
PUBLIC COMMENTS - NON - AGENDIZED ITEMS
Kim Quon, commented that it is obvious from this meeting that the Council's
credibility and confidence are on the line. He indicated that public safety is first and
foremost in the budget. He fwther indicated that if this ballot measure is to pass
with 2 /3rds it will be a difficult, uphill battle to begin with. He expressed difficulty .
in understanding if the Outlet Center and Theaters are money makers, why there is a
shortfall to be addressed. He stressed the need to get out an tell the people why the
Measures are needed. He suggested that renegotiating of agreements such as the
Outlet Center would go a long way toward increasing credibility.
John Seepe noted when someone tries to participate and be responsible, they are
asked questions by the press. He indicated that he gave an answer that was
incorrect; and noted that he left out Councilman Alongi as one of the two
Councihnembers with listed phone numbers. He indicated that it was not intentional
and apologized for the misstatement.
CITY MANAGER COMMENTS
No Comments.
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CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS
Mayor Pro Tern Kelley had no comments.
Councilwoman Brinley commented on the following:
1) Addressed the comments by Kim Quon and noted that Redevelopment
Agency contracts are set for 20 years, while the baseball team is only a
five year contract.
Councilman Alongi commented on the following:
1) Noted that he was accused of being on the Council when the closure of
Summerhill was approved; and indicated that the item was never before
the Council in 1992. He noted a letter from Tuscany Hills requesting
the closure, a letter from the Police Department which indicated that it
does not meet the criteria for closure. He suggested that
Councilwoman Brinley needs to be careful of what is said.
Councilman Metze commented on the following:
1) Addressed Mrs. Franson and indicated that he agrees wholeheartedly;
and noted that he tries to get the word out.
Mayor Pape had no comments.
CLOSED SESSION
City Attorney Leibold noted the need for a Closed Session under the provisions of
Government Code 54956b.2 to determine the authority to meet in Closed Session;
and noted the need for a unanimous vote to consider the item as an emergency item.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS ADJOURNED TO CLOSED
SESSION AT 11:40 P.M.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 11:44 P.M.
City Attorney Leibold announced that by unanimous decision of the City
Council they had decided to meet in Closed Session under Government Code
Section 94546b.1, regarding pending litigation.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS ADJOURNED TO CLOSED
SESSION AT 11:44 P.M.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 12:17 P.M. AND IT
WAS ANNOUNCED THAT STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO RESPOND TO
ANTICIPATED AND THREATENED LITIGATION.
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ADJOURNMENT
THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS ADJOURNED AT
12:18 P.M.
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9VIN W. P PE, MAYOR
CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
ATTEST:
J
VICKI KASAD, CITY CLERK
CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
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