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MINUTES
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
183 NORTH MAIN STREET
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA
JiJNE 10, 1997
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CALL TO ORDER
The Regular City Council Meeting was called to order by Mayor Pape at 7:01
p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Councilman Metze.
INVOCATION
The Invocation was provided by Pastor Ken Bass, representing the First Baptist
Church.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: ALONGI, BRINLEY,
KELLEY, METZE, PAPE
ABSENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE
Also present were: City Manager Molendyk, Assistant City Manager
Watenpaugh, City Attorney Harper, Administrative Services Director Boone,
Community Development Director Leslie, Community Services Director Sapp,
Police Chief Walsh, Fire Chief Seabert, City Engineer O'Donnell and City
Clerk Kasad.
PRESENTATIONS
Mayor Pape noted the appointment of the new City Attorney for the City and
introduced Barbara Leibold, of McNamara, Van Blarcon, McClendon &
Leibold. Ms. Leibold thanked the Council for the selection of her firm and
noted that she is looldng forward to meeting the needs of the City. She
introduced Steve McNamara. Mr. McNamara thanked the Council for the
opportunity to serve the City and thanked the Council on behalf of the other
partners. Mayor Pape provided a press release. (F:40.1)
a. Presentation to Senior Center - Temescal Canyon High School. (F:144.3)
Mavis Schutz noted that this effort was a result of the Students in
Government Day Program and Temescal's Canyon's participation in it. She
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explained that one student was very interested and concemed for the Senior
Center and expressed and interest in providing financial support to the Center. '
She advised that as a result the students focused theu fundraising efforts on ,'
the Seniors. Crystal Gude presented a check for $500 on behalf of the
Associated Student Body to Senior Center Coordinator Tate and the Senior j
Citizens Center. Ms. Tate noted that Student Government Day is very i
special and expressed appreciation for the involvement of the students. She
noted Ms. Gude's particular concern for the needs and cares of the senior
citizens; and expressed deep appreciation in accepting on behalf of the Senior
Center. Mayor Pape noted that this was a wonderful act of kindness. "
b. Presentation - Report on Crew Team.
Not present.
Mayor Pape requested the addition of a presentation by Mr. Jim Brandau, -
representing H.O.P.E. -
c. Jim Brandau, representing HOPE. (F:108.18)
Mr. Brandau indicated that it was a pleasure to be present and noted his
enthusiasm with what occurred today. He detailed the work of volunteers at
H.O.P.E., and noted their efforts to locate a Van to assist with transportation
of food. He indicated that they have now received a Van through the City
Council and the efforts of Councilwoman Brinley. He explained that they
went to Riverside today and through a lottery, received a Van. He stressed
the assistance this will provide in transporting food for the program. He
advised that 325 bags of food were distributed last month to Lake Elsinore,
Canyon Lake and Wildomar residents.
PUBLIC COMMENTS - AGENDIZED ITEMS
Requests were received to address the following items and deferred to those
discussions:
Item Nos.
CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS
The following items were pulled from the Consent calendar for furkher discussion
and consideration:
Item Nos. 3, 8 and 9.
Councilman Metze indicated that he would be abstaining from vote on items l.a.
and l.b. due to his absence from those meetings.
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MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY KELLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT
CALENDAR AS PRESENTED.
1. The following Minutes were approved:
a. Regular City Council Meeting - May 13, 1997. (F:44.4)
b. Adjourned Regular City Council Meeting - May 15, 1997.
2. Ratified Warrant List for May 29, 1997. (F:12.3)
4. Rejected and referred to Claims Admiiustrator the Claims Against the City
submitted on behalf of Jose Sanchez (CL #97-12); and Carla Parker-Camllo
(CL #97-13). (F:52.2)
5. Adopted Resolution Nos. 97-26 and 97-27 regarding County Service Area
(CSA) 152 Assessment for the N.P.D.E.S. Storni Water Pollution Prevention
Program. (F:22.3)
RESOLUTION NO. 97-26
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, SETTING THE RATES FOR
COUNTY SERVICE AREA 152 - LAKE ELSINORE TO FUND
CITY'S NATIONAL POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION
SYSTEM (NPDES) PERMIT PROGRAM.
RESOLUTION NO. 97-27 ,
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE, MAHING FINDINGS AND CONFIRMING THE
RATES FOR COUNTY SERVICE AREA 152 TO FUND THE CITY'S
NATIONAL POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM
(NPDES PERMIT IN ORDER TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE
CITY'S DRAINAGE AND FLOOD CONTROL SYSTEMS.
6. Approved a Request from the Arizona Aqua Club for Jet Ski Events on June
28 and 29 & July 26 and 27, 1997. (F:64.1)
7. Approved Agreement with Riverside Transit Agency for Sa1e of Bus Passes
at the Senior Center. (F:68.1)(X:144.3)
PUBLIC HEARINGS
21. Tentative Parcel Map 28552 Lake Chevrolet at 31400 Casino Drive.
(F:110.2)
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City Manager Molendyk detailed this project.
Mayor Pape opened the Public Hearing at 7:11 p.m., asking those persons
interested in this item to speak. The following person spoke:
Richard Moore, 1100 South Coast Highway, MCE Consultants, offered to
respond to questions on the project.
Hearing no additional comments the Public Hearing was closed at 7:12 p.m.
Councilman Alongi questioned the recommendations on this item with the
waiver of the required raised median. Community Development Director
Leslie explained that the waiver is due to the number of driveways; and the
recommendation is based on a request from the applicant. He further
explained that the Planning Commission recommended the waiver of the
median, and it was previously discussed at a Council Meeting last November.
Councilman Alongi noted that the City has agreed to pay for off-site
improvements, and questioned if the agreement would remain after the
property is split off and sold. Community Development Director Leslie
confnzned. Councilman Alongi inquired if this would mean free
improvements for whoever buys the site; based on the existing agreement
with Paradise Chevrolet. City Manager Molendyk clarified the agreement
with Paradise Chevrolet and indicated that they are conditioned to make all of
the improvements, so the property would be sold with improvements in place.
Councilman Alongi questioned if this would be improving someone else's
property with taxpayers money, to sell it off. He stressed that there was no
discussion of splitting this property in half when the agreement was
discussed. City Manager Molendyk indicated that the Agreement invoives
the 10 acre site with improvements to the frontage and reimbursement for the
improvements. Councilman Alongi continued to question the Agreement.
City Manager Molendyk clarified the Agreement with the corporation owned
by Mr. Gregory. City Attorney Harper stressed that the agreement is with
Paradise Chevrolet and it may not be subdivided or sold. He further stressed
that the $300,000 made the project pencil out; and the return to the City is
based on additional sales tax revenue. Councilman Alongi stressed that the
agreement is with Paradise Chevrolet, and indicated that is the problem with
the community. He further stressed that the City made an agreement far a 10
acre development and there was no discussion that it would be split and sold.
He expressed concern that this was giving someone an opportunity to sell an
improved piece of property and the Council is willing to close down the
parks.
Mayor Pape questioned whether there were any changes on the sales revenue
from the project. City Manager Molendyk further clarified the agreement.
Assistant to the City Manager Best indicated that Mr. Gregory will provide
the dealership as presented and the improvements are in front of his~project;
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however if there are no improvements, there will be no reimbursement.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY PAPE AND CARRIED BY A
' VOTE OF 4 TO 1 WITH ALONGI CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE TO
APPROVE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP NO. 28552, BASED ON THE
FOLLOWING FINDINGS, EXHIBIT "A", AND SUBJECT TO THE
FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AN WAIVE THE
REQUIREMENT FOR A RAISED MEDIAN ON CASINO DRIVE
FRONTING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY:
l. The proposed subdivision, together with the provisions for its design and
improvement, is consistent with the General Plan. The proposed subdivision
is compatible with the objectives, policies, general land uses and programs
specified in the General Plan (Government Code Section 66473.5).
2. The effects this project is likely to have upon the housing needs of the region;
the public service requirements of its residents and the available fiscal and
environmental resources have been considered and balanced.
Subject to the attached conditions of approval, the proposed project is not
anticipated to result in any significant environmental impact.
Planning Division
Tentafive Parcel Map No. 28552 will expire two (2) years from date of
approval unless within that period of time a final map has been filed with the
County Recorder, or an extension of time is granted by the City of Lake
Elsinore City Council in accordance with the Subdivision Map Act.
2. Tentative Tract Map No. 28552 shall comply with the State of Califomia
Subdivision Map Act and shail comply with all applicable requirements of the
Lake Elsinore Municipal Code, Title 16 unless modified by approved
Conditions of Approval.
3. A precise survey with closures for boundaries and a111ots shall be provided,
per City Ordinance.
4. The City's Noise Ordinance must be met during a11 site preparation activity.
5. Pay all applicable fees including park fees in force at time of issuance of
building pernuts.
6. Prior to final map approval of Parcel Map No. 28552, the improvements
specified herein and approved by the Planning Commission and the City
Council sha11 be installed, or agreements for said improvements, sha11 be
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submitted to the City for approval by the City Engineer, and a11 other stated
conditions shall be complied with. Unless waived by the City Council, a11
uncompleted improvements must be bonded for as part of the agreements.
All of the improvements sha11 be designed by developer's Civil Engineer to
the specifications of the City of Lake Elsinore.
Applicant must meet all requirements of Elsinore Va11ey Municipal Water
District (EVMWD).
9. The applicant shall provide connection to public sewer for each lot within the
subdivision: No service laterals shall cross adjacent property lines and shall
be delineated on engineering sewer plans and profiles for submittal to the
EVMWD.
10. Meet all requirements of Southern California Edison Company.
11. Meet all requirements of Southern California Gas Company.
12. Meet a11 requirements of General Telephone Company.
ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT
13. Parcel Map 28552 shall be subject to a11 applicable condirions of approval for
Commercial Project C 96-2.
14. Fina1 Map sha11 show the abandonment of the existing storm drain and utility
easement dedications on Casino Drive by appropriate certifications on the
map. .
15. Applicant shall enter into an agreement with the City for the construction of
public works improvements and shall post the appropriate bonds, if
necessary.
16. All improvement plans and parcel map shall be digitized. At Certificate of
Occupancy applicant sha11 submit tapes and/or discs which are compatible
with City's ARC Info/GIS or developer to pay $1000 per sheet for City
digitizing.
22. Amendment No 3 to Alberhill Ranch S~ecific Plan and Mitigated Negative
Declaration No 97-3 - Lake Elsinore Outlet Center Ex.~ansion Apnlicant
Horizon Groun_ Inc.l. (F:150.2) -
City Manager Molendyk noted the location of the existing outlet center and
the size of the facility; and explained that they have now purchased,1.20 acres
on the other side of the freeway. He fiuther explained that the expansion will
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be basically the same size on the other side, as the existing facility. He noted
the proposed entertainment component and explained the intent to attract
family business. He clarified that the timing of the project will be driven by
the market. He advised that he met with representatives of the entertainuient
component on Saturday; and noted that to date the Outlet Center has been a
real asset to the Community.
Mayor Pape opened the Public Hearing at 7:16 p.m., asking those person
interested in tlus item to speak. The following persons spoke:
Kenny Smith, representing the Horizon Group, noted the expansions in the
last two years; and noted that they have been working witli`City staff to bring
this amendment forward. He thanked staff for their work and noted the
newness of the industry and the recent slowdown m leasing. He indicated
that they are now seeing tenants going back into the expansion mode; and
noted the strengkh of this center. He further noted that this Center has shown
no dip in sales due to the Ontario Mills development. He indicated that if
things go as anticipated the center will expand in 1998.
Charlie Smithson, 15721 Shadow Mountain Lane, questioned the cost of this
project.
Hearing no additional requests to speak, the Public Hearing was closed at
720 p.m.
Councilman Alongi inquired if this was part of the same agreement for
reimbursement of $3 million in off-site improvements for Nichols Road. City
Manager Molendyk coniirmed, but indicated that they have generated the
revenue for the reimbursements. Councilman Alongi indicated that it is not
necessary to give them anytluug to have them in the Community and this is a
good opportunity for negotiafions; but the Council is going to close the parks:
City Manager Molendyk noted the master placuvng for this project and
explained the assistance requested. He indicated that it is similar to the
Agreement with Paradise Chevrolet, involving vacant property, with the
reimbursement paid from the revenues generated by the new business. He
stressed that they are solely generated based on theu performance in
developing the Center and the performance of the business. Councilman
Alongi questioned why it is necessary to assist them with improvements on .
both sides of the road; and indicated that it was not necessary to give them
anything. He indicated that t'.iere are still tas dollars to support the services
in the Community. City Ma~iager Molendyk noted that this is opporhuiity to
expand the Center through agreements with the City.
Councilwoman Brinley noted a similar discussion in the past at the approval
of the agreement. She indicated that she was happy to see the expansion and
the creation of more sales talc dollazs.
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MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY METZE TO APPROVE
AMENDMENT NO. 3 TO THE ALBERHILL RANCH SPECIFIC PLAN BY
ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. 1029 AND ADOPTED MITIGATED
NEGATIVE DECLARATION NO. 97-3, BASED ON THE FOLLOWING
FINDINGS, EXHIBIT A PACKAGE (SPECIFIC PLAN AMENDMENT NO.
3 DOCUMENT) AND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
Mayor Pro Tem Kelley questioned the sales taY revenues from the Ouflet
Center presently. City Manager Molendyk indicated that it is currently
between $800,000 and one million per year in sales taac. Mayor Pro Tem
Kelley requested confinnation that when they make the improvement if does
not come out of the general fund or park revenue. City Manager Molendyk
confinned. He also noted the jobs provided by the Outlet Center. Mayor
Pro Tem Keiley questioned the total income from the Outlet Center. City
Manager Molendyk highlighted the revenues to date.
Councilwoman Brinley called for the question. Councilman Alongi indicated
that there is no doubt that the Outlet Center is a good investrnent.
THE FOREGOING MOTION CARRIED BY. A VOTE OF 4 T0 1 WITH
ALONGI CASTING THE DISSENTING VOTE.
FINDINGS - SPECIFIC PLAN AMENDMENT NO. 3
L SPA No. 3 meets the City's Specific Plan criteria for content and required
implementation of the General Plan established by Secrion 65450 et sea. of
the California Govemment Code and Section 17.99 of the City of Lake
Elsinore Municipal Code.
2. SPA No. 3 is consistent with the Goa1s, Policies and Objectives of the
General Plan and with other applicable plans or policies adopted by the City.
3. Development standards and regulafions contained in SPA No. 3 supersede
applicable City ordinances and codes, unless specifically stated to the
contrary. Approval of SPA No. 3 shall not be interpreted as waiving
compliance with other Federal or State laws or City Codes.
4. Location of SPA No. 3 allows future development to be well-integrated with
its surroundings.
5. All vehicular traffic generated by future development, either in phased
increments or at full build-out, will be accommodated safely and without
causing undue congestion upon adjoining streets.
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6. Except as limited by State law, including SB 1287, SPA No. 3 provides plans
which allows land uses to be adequately serviced by existing or proposed
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public facilities and services.
7. Overall design of SPA No. 3 will produce attractive, efficient and stable
development.
8. SPA No. 3 will not be detrimental to the health, safety, comfort or general
welfare of the persons residing or working within the City, nor will it be
injurious to property or improvements in the project area or within the City.
FINDINGS - MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION 97-3
Mitigated Negative Declaration 97-3, Mitigation Monitoring Program,
Response to Comments, and other technical studies have been prepared,
submitted and reviewed in accordance with requirements of the California
Environmental Quality Act and the City's CEQA guidelines, and are complete
and adequate in their evaluation of all environmental effects of SPA No. 3
and associated discretionary approvals.
2. SPA No. 3 will not degrade the quality of the environment, substantially
reduce fish habitat or wildlife species, cause fish or wildlife population to -
drop, threaten plant or animal communities, reduce or restrict the range of
rare or endangered plant or animal species, or eliminate important cultural
resources.
SPA No. 3 wiil not have the potential to achieve short-term goals to the
disadvantage of long-term environmental goals.
4. SPA No. 3 will not have impacts which are individually limited but
cumularively considerable.
SPA No. 3 will not have environmental effects which cause substantial
adverse effects on people.
Conditions of A~proval - Specific Plan Amendment No 3
The Draft SPA No. 3 document shall be revised to incorporate any
corrections and revisions required by the Plamiuig Commission and City
Council. A Final Specific Plan Amendment document shall be submitted for
review and approval by the Community Development Director or his
designee within 30 days of approval by the City Council. No pernut shall be
issued until the Specific Plan Amendment document and any required
revisions are admiiustratively approved by the Community Development
Director or his designee.
2. Those issues, standards, guidelines, etc. not addressed in SPA No. 3 will
revert to the Alberhill, Ranch Specific Pian. In cases where the Alberhill
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Ranch Specific Plan and SPA No. 3 document do not provide appropriate
guidance or discussion, then the City of Lake Elsinore General Plan and
Municipal Code sha11 prevail.
3. Provision of Nichols Road improvements shall be provided according to the
following phasing program:
Planning Area C- Phase V
a. Install curb, gutter, and sidewalk along approximately 2,1001ineal feet
of Nichols Road (south side of Nichols Road, along Phase V frontage).
b. Install 48 feet of pavement (four lanes) along Phase V frontage.
Pavement will be tapered in a smooth and safe fashion to the
- intersection of northbound I-15 ramps and Nichols Road.
c. Install 28 feet of pavement (two lanes) from east boundary of Phase V
to east boundary of project site.
d. This pavement will extend offsite in the easterly direction to make a
smooth connection and transition with the County's elcisting Nichols
Road alignment.
e. Install traffic signals at northbound and southbound I-15 ramps.
f. Post appropriate financial securities for one-half of estimated cost of
constructing trafFc signals at main access driveway.
g. Post appropriate financial securities for one-half of estimated cost of
constructing median fronting Phase V.
Planning Area C- Phase VI
h. Install curb, gutter, and sidewalk along approximately 1,OSO lineal feet
of Nichols Road (south side of Nichols Road, along Phase VI
frontage).
i. Install pavement to provide a total of four lanes of iraffic along Phase
VI frontage.
j. Widen northbound and southbound I-15 ramps from one lane to two
lanes.
k. Improve Wood Mesa Court with asphalt dike and pavement in
accordance with Riverside County Road Improvement Standard 105,
Section B to complete existing half-street improvements.
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1. Post appropriate financial securities for one-half of estimated cost of
constructing median fronting Phase VI.
Planning Area B
m. Install curb, gutter, and sidewalk along north frontage of Nichols Road
for Planning Areas A and B.
n. Install balance of Nichols Road improvements, in accordance with
Urban Arterial standard, including raised median, left-turn pockets, and
asphalt pavement for six lanes of traffic.
o. Post appropriate financial securities for remaining one-half of estimated
cost of constructing traffic signals at main access driveway, ar
conshuct traffic signal in the event that Planning Area C is fully
developed.
4. Applicants shall participate in a benefit assessment district for purposes of
improving the I-15/Nichols Road interchange. Participation by the project
shall be limited to its prorata share based on an engineer's benefit study. The
total participation by the project shall not exceed $400,000.
Applicants sha11 acquire necessary approvals, clearances, and pernuts for
future development, including Design Review approval, issuance of grading
and buiiding pernuts, and other provisions of the City's Municipal Code.
6. All standards and guidelines pertaining to the project's land use plan,
circulation plan, parking plan, grading plan, drainage plan, water plan, sewer
., plan, landscape plan, signage plan, and architectural plans sha11 be
substantially complied with to the greatest extent feasible.
A parcel map shall be approved by the City of Lake Elsinore to vacate the
eacisting Nichols Road alignment and dedicate a new alignment to provide a
smooth transition with the County's e~sting Nichols Road alignment.
All mechanical equipment atop proposed sUuctures shall be screened from
public view, subject to the approval of the Community Development Director.
9. Applicants of future developments within Plamiuig Area B sha11 provide signs
that comply with those standards contained in SPA No. 3 or the City's Zoning
Ordinance, or shall establish a separate signage program.
10. Applicants shall pay $500.00 per acre of graded property to the Riverside
County Habitat Conservation Agency in accordance with Chapter 19.04 of
the City's Municipal Code. _
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11. Prior to grading of Plam~uig Area B and construction of the Phase VI parking
lot in Pluu~ing Area C, applicants shall acquire clearances and approvals from
the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and California Deparlment of Fish and
Game.
12. Applicants sha11 implement those mitigation measures and comply with those
timing requirements established for each mitigation measure as described in
Mitigated Negafive Declaration No. 97-3 and its Mitigation Monitoring
Program.
13. Prior to issuance of any grading permit, Applicants shall submit a final
grading plan, subject to a11 requirements of the City Grading Ordinance, and a
geotechnical report to the City Engineer for approval.
23. R~blic Hearing on the proposed Vacation of Cam~u Wav from Graham
Avenue to Heald Avenue and several Alleys on the Elsinore Middle School
r e . (F:10.2)
City Manager Molendyk explained this request.
Mayor Pape opened the Public Hearing at 726 p.m., asking those persons
interested in tlus item to speak. Hearing no one, the Public Hearing was
closed at 726 p.m.
Mayor Pro Tem Kelley noted that the questions were answered previously.
MOVED BY ALONGI, SECONDED BY KELLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 97-28 ORDERING
THE VACATION OF CAMPUS WAY FROM GRAHAM AVENUE TO
HEALD AVENUE AND SEVERAL ALLEYS WITHIN THE ELSINORE
MIDDLE SCHOOL PROPERTY AND DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO
RECORD SAID STREET VACATION WITH THE COUNTY RECORDER.
RESOLUTION NO. 97-28
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, FOR THE VACATION OF
CAMPUS WAY FROM GRAHAM AVENUE TO HEALD AVENUE
AND SEVERAL ALLEYS ON THE ELSINORE MIDDLE SCHOOL
PROPERTY.
24. P~,blic Hearin~ - Fiscal Year 1997-98 - Citv-Wide Lightine and Landsca~g
Maintenance District - Resolution No. 97-29. (F:22.2)
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City Manager Molendyk explained this item as the annual public hearing and
noted that it is the same process as done previously, with a reduced
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assessment due to removal of parks. He detailed the facilities covered by the
District; and noted the presence of Jeff Cooper, the assessment engineer, to
answer questions.
Mayor Pape noted that it is good news that the fee will go down.
Mayor Pape opened the Public Hearing at 7:28 p.m., asking those persons
interested in this item to speak. The following person spoke:
Dick Knapp, City Treasurer, noted the $37.00 decrease in the L.L.M.D., and
indicated misinformation was provided by Measure BB. He indicated that he
' was sorry for the Tuscany Hills residents, because their assessments went up
He indicated that the key to this discussion is the City is only out $23.50 per
parcel, and suggested that there is plenty of time to have an election in the
next month to keep the parks open. :
Hearing no further comments, the Public Hearing was closed at 7:31 p.m.
Mayor Pro Tem Kelley indicated that what is missing from this discussion is
the $14 in the County assessment, which tHe County did not pursue. She
clarified that last year Tuscany Hills was assessed on a partial year and that is
why it is higher. She noted that to hold an election by the end of the month
is impossible, and questioned the timing. City Clerk Kasad indicated that it .
is generally required that an election be called 88 days prior to the election.
City Attorney Harper indicated that depending on the approach this would ,,
need analysis and at least 45 days. Mayor Pro Tem Kelley questioned if this
would be for a benefit assessment. Mr. Harper explained a benefit
assessment situation or special assessment to reflect the relative benefit to the
parcel; and clarified that it could not be a City-wide assessment, but only in
specified zones. ! He fiarther clarified the potential for an analysis of some
parks to be made and finding of special benefit subject to the benefit; but
suggested that it could take possibly 6 months to do such an election.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 97-29 SETTING THE
FISCAL YEAR 1997-98 BENEFIT ASSESSMENT AS PREPARED BY THE
CITY ATTORNEY.
RESOLUTION NO. 97-29
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE CONFIRMING A DIAGRAM AND ASSESSMENT
AND PROVIDING FOR ANNUAL ASSESSMENT LEVY AFTER
FORMATION OF A DISTRICT.
BUSINESS ITEMS
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31. Fina1 A~roval of Parcel Man 28552 - Paradise Chevrolet. (F:110.2)
City Manager Molendyk recommended approval as presented. City
Attorney Harper noted approval of the final map is generally a ministerial
action.
Richard Moore, MCE Consultants, requested consideration of waiving the
bonding requirements as called out on the map. He noted the e~sting
agreement for conshuction of the improvements; and stressed the already
strong financial commitment to this project.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY KELLEY TO APPROVE THE
FINAL MAP, SUBJECT TO THE CITY ENGINEER'S ACCEPTANCE AS
BEING TRUE AND ACCURATE, WITH THE BONDING TO REMAIN AS
YN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.
City Attorney Harper clarified the existing agreement, wluch requires that
they do the improvements and the bonds guarantee the completion.
IN ADDITION, BRINLEY REQUESTED THAT THE BONDS REMAIN IN
PLACE FOR SECURITY, KELLEY SECONDED.
Councilman Metze noted that the required bonds are not too expensive.
THE FOREGOING MOTION CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
32. CR & R, Inc. Annual Consumer Price Index (~l Increase for Refuse
Collection. (F:68.1)(X:163.1)
Mayor Pape noted that this action should be handled by staff pursuant to the
contract; and questioned the need for Council approval. City Attorney
Harper indicated that the City imposes the fee and are obligated to recognize
and approve increases. Mayor Pape questioned the ability to have staff
handle this type of action in the future. City Attorney Harper stressed the
requirement for Council to review the increases. Mayor Pape further
questioned the ability to have staff approve increases. City Attorney Harper
noted the potential for challenges and indicated it would be better for the
Council to approve.
Councilman Alongi suggested an explanation of the increase. Mayor Pape
indicated that it is only 23 cents a month. Councilman Alongi questioned
what CR & R stands for. Dave Fahrion, president, indicated it stands for the
owner's initials.
Mayor Pro Tem Kelley noted that the original contract was written in 1992
and approved by the previous Council; and questioned when it would be up
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for renewal. Councilman Alongi indicated that it was a 10 year contract.
, MOVED BY ALONGI, SECONDED BY BRINLEY AND CARRIED BY
' UNANIMOUS VOTE TO CONFIRM THE APPLICATION OF NEW
RATES FOR REFUSE PICK-UP, RECYCLING AND DISPOSAL IN
ACCORDANCE WITH "EXHIBIT C" OF THE CITY'S CONTRACT WITH
CR & R, EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 1997.
33. CR & R Inc. - Request to ~ut Refuse Billing on Fiscal Year 1997-98 Tax
Roll - Resolution No. 97-30. (F:68.1)(X:163.1)
City Manager Molendyk indicated that staff would like to bring this matter
back at a later date.
MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY BRINLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE NLY 8, 1997,
CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
34. Re~uests by Western Riverside Council of Governments:
(F:108.13)(X:163.1)
~,. For Member Jurisdictions to Hel~ Fund the Cooperative Solid Waste
Program.
~,. Potential City Annexation into the Waste Resources Mana e,~ ment
District.
Mayor Pape noted the WRCOG representative is ill and it is necessary to
continue this item until she can be present.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY ALONGI AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM.
35. Ce rtification of June 3 , 1997, Elecrion Results & Election Follow-up -
Res olution No. 97-32. (F:72.2)
City Manager Molendyk noted the Special Election held on June 3rd and
noted the outcome on election night. City Clerk Kasad noted the additional
results as presented tlus evening.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 97-32 CERTIFYING
THE ELECTION RESULTS.
RESOLUTION NO. 97-32
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA, RECITING THE: FACTS OF THE
SPECIAL MEASURE ELECTION HELD ON THE 3RD DAY OF
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JUNE, 1997, DECLARING THE RESULT THEREOF AND OTHER
MATTERS AS ARE PROVIDED BY LAW.
ITEMS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR
3. Investrnent Report - A~ril 1997. (F:12.5)
Mayor Pape noted a request to speak from Dick Knapp. Mr. Knapp was not
present for comment.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY PAPE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO RECEIVE AND ORDER FILED THE
INVESTMENT REPORT FOR APRIL, 1997.
8. Communit~ Development Block Grant Sponsor's A~reement.
(F:68.1)(X:84.2) , .
Councilman Alongi noted that this Agreement is approving the County's
$30,000 contribution to the Senior Center; and indicated that the Center is
safe for another year and was not truly jeopardized with Measwe BB.
MOVED BY ALONGI, SECONDED BY BRINLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE SPONSOR'S AGREEMENT
AND DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO HAVE THE DOCUMENTS
EXECUTED.
23rd Year Communitv Develo~ment Block Grant Agreements. (F:84.2)
Mayor Pape noted that he pulled this item to make the public aware of the
consideration; and noted that it is necessary to act to meet the time
constraints, but the projects being approved will most likely be changed.
MOVED BY PAPE, SECONDED BY BRINLEY TO APPROVE THE
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT AGREEMENTS FOR
THE 1997-98 PROGRAM YEAR.
Councilman Alongi indicated that the money noted for Swick Matich park is
not for the park, but for the parking lot at Swick-Matich Park. He further
indicated that the Council has not yet shut the parks down, and this can still
serve a purpose as a parking lot. He suggested that the council was throwing
money down the drain by removing funds from the parking lot.
Councilxnan Metze inquired whether this parking lot was intended to include
basketball courts and roller blade areas. Mayor Pape confirmed.
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THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS RECESSED AT 7:54 P.M.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 8:03 P.M.
PUBLIC COMMENTS - NON-AGENDIZED ITEMS
Bruce Holland, 1166 Lake Vista Drive, noted that earlier this evening Councilman
Alongi was served with An Intent to Reca11 Notice; and detailed his concerns with
the performance of Councilman Alongi and the impacts on the image of the City.
He indicated that should the District Attorney pursue his removal at this time, the
recall would continue anyway. He noted the diligence of the other Councilmembers
to find solutions to financial difficulties and anticipated that the effort would be
supported. He stated the grounds for the recall as listed in the Notice.
Ju1ie Gilbart, 16 Bella Lucia, commented on the failure of Measure BB and noted a
letter in the Sun Tribune by Chris Hyland; and suggested that the words were not
chosen carefuliy. She specifically noted the comment that "the people have spoken"
and noted that they have spoken and over 60°/a wanted the measure to pass. She
noted that this majority would be in compliance with the Constitution and would
have otherwise been considered a landslide. She noted comments regarding the cost
of the election and campaigns; and stressed the amount generated through donations
by concerned citizens. She expressed concern with continuous false and misleading
statements. She noted comments she has heard that the City staff is geedy for
receiving the salaries they are receiving. She stressed that the salaries are not out of
line for professional staff; and questioned whether Mrs. Hyland believes that staff
would accept the reductions she proposes and stay with the City.
Donna Franson, 7 Villa Valtelena, read the balance of Ms. Gilbart's remarks, and
noted the work of the Task Force and their review of the reductions which have
already been made and the posirions which ha~e already been deleted. She stressed
that deparhnents have already been combined and responsibilities shifted. She
expressed shock that if Ms. Hyland was aware of illegal conduct, that it had not
been reported. She stressed that only $3.85 per month was needed to keep the
parks open for the children.
Joyce Hohenadl, Chairwoman of the Revenue and Services Task Farce, thanked ;
everyone for their work on the campaign and stressed the number of votes
supporting Measure BB. She noted the voter turnout in comparison with the overall
population and expressed concern with the percentage of voters making the
decisions for the community and deciding the quality of life. She stressed that the
parks will be closed and the police budget will not get the extra funds for raids and
special enforcement activities and detailed other City services to be impacted. She
indicated that the Task Force will not be giving up on tlus issue because too much is
at stake for the citizens of Lake Elsinore.
Bill Kipp, Chief Executive Officer, representing Abaccy noted when Measure BB
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was defeated and they were informed that the Summerhill Park would be closed, he
was concerned that the City has made great efforts to get a11 of its projects on line.
He requested that the Council direct staff to work on an emergency program to keep
the parks open. He pledged to keep the parks open, no matter what he has to do to
accomplish it.
Chris McColley, 29072 Palm View, commented that she is proud to say that she
was the Chairperson of the Yes on BB Committee and noted that this was the first
election requiring the 2/3rds vote for approval. She noted that the turnout was
. higher than the regulaz turnout, but stressed the number of voters who did not
turnout: She stressed that only4% of the population determined the fate of the
Community. She detailed the election results and the impacts of the loss. She `
stressed that nobody won this election. She stressed that people need to be part of
the solution and suggested that those who voted no should step forward with viable
solutions to the problems. She thanked those residents who did vote.
Jack McColley, 29072 Palm View, commented on the strong honest campaign by
proponents of Measure BB, and expressed concern that only 1/3rd of the voters
bothered to vote. He indicated that there was another faction of the Community
°- who lied to the citizens of La1ce Elsinore and ran against Measure BB: He noted the
•incident which mistakenly involved an advertisement which read "Paid for by the
' City of Lake Elsinore' ; he detailed the efforts to correct the misinformation and the
use of the incorrect information by the other faction. He commented on the way
` facts can be manipulated and noted the potential differences in meaning. He
further commented that the saddest part is that some citizens were duped; and noted
that word and honor go hand in hand, and people should be held accountable.
Lorraine Watts, 210 N. Scrivener, invited the Mayor, Council, and residents to
attend the NAAGP picnic on June 21 st. She noted that they hold the event every
year, but they may not have a park to use next year: She expressed concern with the
vote on Measure BB and noted the impacts of Proposition 13 on Los Angeles. She
indicated that it became a big diriy city and noted the potential for similar impacts in
La1ce Elsinore. She stressed the need to pool resources and do something good for
the young people.
Cindi Wilson, 15030 Vista View, noted that she has many interests in the
Community, but is a mother of children m organized sports. She further noted the
programs held at the Community Center and stressed the need to consider solutions
to save those programs.
Dick Knapp, City Treasurer, noted that he missed Item No. 3, but reviewed the
monthly Inveshnent Report. He indicated that the Redevelopment Agency was
slipped $920,000 from the General Fund to keep it afloat. He noted the balances in
the City's accounts. Mayor Pape noted that this time is intended for non-agendized
items. Mr. Knapp indicated that there was $5.6 million in cold cash, in the reserve
account. He suggested that this was a"slush fiznd" and requested a breakdown of
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the $549,000 account as City Treasurer. He indicated that the City does have the
money it needs.
Chris Hyland, 15191 Wavecrest Drive, noted the prior comments about simple
minded comments, and indicated that she is happy she won the election by herself
and wonderful that the other side lost. She noted Mayor Pape's comment that it
failed because of misinformation; and noted the letter from the insurance company
which does not say what she was told it said. She indicated that nothing can be said
to cancel the insurance. She suggested that City salaries be lowered by 25 and 30
percent. She detailed the salaries of the managerial positions in the City and noted
that 11 City employees will loose theu jobs and suggested much of this could be
used toward the parks. She noted that the Task Force was not appropriate due to
the locations from which its members were drawn.
CITY MANAGER COMMENTS
City Manager Molendyk commented on the following:
1) Indicated that with fair evaluation of populations our size, most do not have
the same amenities. He stressed that Lake Elsinore has downsized :
management and has an exceptional staff for a city of 25,000. Ae noted that :
even with the downsizing staff has kept up with the demands of the
community, but that will change on July 1 st. He thanked the citizens
involved in the community efforts over the last month for their support.
2) Addressed liability and the letter received from the JPIA in which they
indicated that if the City could not maintain parks, it should take maximum
efforts to protect the City from liability. He explained that if someone goes
on the park and is seriously injured the City residents are the shareholders
and the City would have to come up with the money for damages, and
stressed that this is the reasons for the protection factors discussed.
CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS
Councilman Alongi commented on the following:
Noted the nuxnber of people who voted on Measure BB and the percentage of
votes from each area. He criticized the people who did not vote on Measure
BB.
2. Noted that Visions and Views was not supposed to cost the taacpayer any
money, but to date $11,000 has been spent on the program. He noted
correspondence for Visions and Views and explained that it takes City staff
tnne and supplies to implement this program, which costs the City. He
pointed out that the Council did not vote to spend any money on this program.
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3. Commented that the signs posted at the parks were not voted on by Council
and money was spent to produce them and put them in place.
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4. Commented on a magazine article regarding an election in Duarte and noted
that 72.5% of the property owners voted on their annual assessment for the
preservation of parks, green belts, etc. and explained that they carefully
designed their mailed ballot. He stated that they emphasized "don't use
~ bureaucratic jargon in the ballot, don't use scaze tactics to dramatize a need
and sidestep or gloss over weaknesses. He indicated that they had a very
successful vote and kept the parks open because they didn't give the people a
lot of baloney.
5. Commented on the letter from the SCJPIA and stated that the Task Force
Committee had said that the insurance committee would cancel ow insurance
unless we chain linked our parks. He quoted from the letter "If you are not
able to eliminate your risk by transferring the parks to others, various steps
should be taken to minimize the risks. Because the park would not be
maintained, dangerous conditions wouid ultimately develop with use without
maintenance. Dangerous conditions can be minimized by removing a11 bodies
of water, play equipment, backstops, dugouts, swings, slides, eta and all
other fixtures that may attract people. iJltimately the safest thing to do might
be to remove all of the improvements; level the ground and fence the
property. However, I hope that this appropriate consideration by the City or
various scenario, in the event that the election question does not pass is soon
in a category of an unneeded contingency plan. If the people say, in essence,
that they do not want to pay for the parks we will hy to assist you with risk
management recommendations based upon a visit to your parks."
Councilman Alongi stated that this says that they are willing to come and visit
the parks and give ideas what can be done to eliminate or reduce the City's
risks and there is nothing in the letter that says that they are going to cancel
the City's insurance.
6. Noted a memo that he sent to the other Councilmembers dated June 4,
requesting a Special Council Meeting to discuss the closure of the parks, the
lay-off and discuss where the money might come from to keep the parks
open. He stated that Council has not responded.
7. Noted an article in the newspaper which reads "City Corrects Alongi's
Inaccuracy ", and stated that he has invited people to come on his program to
show where he is wrong, either from the Committee or anyone else.
8. Noted an article by Carl Love and the Mayor's comments regarding the loss
of employees. He stated that the City has been proud of contracting the
services out, and if those services aze being contracted out, then the
employees are not needed. He noted that the Mayor further stated that the
City incentives have helped to bring Wa1-Mart and the Outlet Center to the
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City and other cities such as Temecula do the same thing. He stated that he
contacted Temecula, and they are not doing the same thing. He further noted
that Temecula told Wal-Mart to take a hike and that is why Temecula is one
of the richest cities in Southern California, because they don't give money
away.
9. Addressed the issue with Paradise Chevrolet and the fact that the City should
not allow them to take the profits from the City and go down the road with
them.
10. Cited the Outlet Center and stated that they have not generated enough tax
dollars to keep from using some of the increment and the City is picking up
the tab for the Sewer Assessment. He stated that now they want to expand
across the street, and they can go and do it, but without City assistance. He
stated that he does not give a damn how much ta~c increment these projects
create when the fact is that $3,000,000 plus 7% interest is going to them and
it should be in the taxpayer's pocket..
1 L Commented that an article regarding Measure BB which suggested it was on .
the ballot because the City was hying to level with the voters, however the
City was trying to give the voters a bunch of baloney. He stated that the
previous Council made this City Manager spend $8,000,000 more for the ball
field and didn't ask the citizens, didn't ask the rest of the Council and told the
City Manager to just do it. He fiuther stated that no one came before the City
Council and asked for the expenditures. He noted that the City has money for
a fire starion that cannot built because it cannot be maintained, however the
City can borrow money, $500,000, to pay someone else's delinquency in
taaces to save a credit rating. He indicated that the money is there through
some tough decisions, however this Council won't make them. He suggested
that Council is going to teach the public a lesson. He stated that he does not
like to see the parks closed, but he won't give in to threats.
12. Asked what Mr. O'Byrne is going to do now that Doubletree is out of
business. He noted that Doubletree bought the Red Lion out, and inquired
about the status of the agreement with Mr. O'Byrne.
13. Addressed the Sun Tribune and stated that he does not lrnow how they can
call the people that voted negative, when there are 70% who did not vote in
this community. He stated that he has a right to vote what he ti~inks is right,
whether they like it or not and everyone else has the same right. He noted
that is what makes this country great, and he can vote on whatever he wants
to vote on. Yes, no or otherwise. He stated that what the Sun Tribune should
do is find out why 70% of the people from this community did not vote.
14. Addressed an article in the Sun Tribune which suggested that the watering
and mowing of parks less often would be one step to take~ but it is easy to see
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that move won't save $650,000. He agreed with the concept, but stated that
just like in business, you start with the cut backs. He noted that-a business
would cut back on employees, inswance expenses, trucks, cazs and whatever
you might have and start there. He noted that you start with the nickels and
then work up to the dollars and that is how it starts to work up to the
$650,000. He stated that this Council has not done that, and the paper is
wrong by putting that in the paper. He indicated that he still doesn't think that
the Council will close the parks.
15. Noted a statement in the paper that it is easier to campaign against something,
but much harder to help solve the problem. He stated that he has done his job
to solve the problem; and this Council won't ha~e the backbone to do it.
What Council needs to do is tell the City Manager to keep the parks open and
not give a damn what it costs, or where we get the money; just keep the
parks open until we can have another election and put it together properly.
What the public is interested in is parks alone and nothing else. He stated
that if the Parks alone were put on the ballot, then it would have passed. He
indicated that now we are stuck with the real big problem that is going to
require some critical thinking to get us out of problems. He stated that he
stuck his neck out and this Council doesn't want to follow his suggestions to
solve the problems. - -•
16. Reminded the public that it took a 50% plus 1 voted to have a 2/3rds majority
vote on Proposition 218, and he noted that some of the people that were on
the list voted for a 2/3rds vote.
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,' Stated that there will be a problem with the recall since he has 1214 votes for
"No" and he knows that he has those. He noted that he just has to work on
the 1800. Henoted'that there are a lot of people that voted for the parks
because they didn't want to see them close, but they disagree with the
measure, and stated that they are going to have some fun.
18. Stated that he came here tonight with the attitude to say "take this job and
shove iY'. He further stated that he had a family problem, but now he feels
the public can just try and recall him. He stated that they couldn't do it with
Mayor Washburn and you won't do it with him.
19. Noted that absentee ballots are simple to fill out and they don't have to leave
their own home, yet 70% of the people did not vote.
20. Indicated that signage for the parks were posted in illegal places and not one
sign was taken down by Code Enforcement. He suggested that there was
selective enforcement.
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21. Challenged the people to try and recall him. He stated that he did not give a
damn about the District Attorney or anybody else.- He stated that he cares
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about himself and no indictments have been filed and his attorney will take
care of that. He noted that the Govemment Code has been violated, and not
legallaw; and he has not paid a nickel of that yet. He encouraged the
community to take him on. He invited everyone to ha~e a nice evening and
especially those who signed his recall petition.
Councilman Metze comtr-ented on the following:
Advised that everything on the Wal-Mart site, as of six months ago generates
$500,000 straight into the City coffers. He noted that it is the same thing with
the Outlet Center; and commented that the Horizon Group has lots of
investments a11 over the place, and yet came to the City wanting to invest
more money into the community and generate more dollars for the
community. He indicated that it is necessary to do this to generate more
revenues.
2. Noted Paradise Chevrolet and stated that the City is in a better posirion on
this one than any other project. He stated that they subdivided and if a car
dealership go in next to them, the City gets 100% of those tax dollar.
Asked Mr. Kipp to do anything he can do to assist with the parks, since it is
what is best far the community and the Council will support it.
4. Addressed scare tactics and asked what it was called when Los Angeles
County said they were closing down half of their fire stations; what was it
when Murrieta said they were going to close their parks. He asked why it
was only here that it was called scare tactics. He stated that this Council sat
and told it straight right from the begnuiing that there was no money to cover
those things. He noted that the Task Force told the public _that there was no
money to cover those things and examined the finances of the City for the last
five years. He stated that no Council person sat in on those meetings and did-
not tell them how to thu~lc or what to say. He stated that the majority of
Council told the public the same facts the entire time and unless Mr. Kipp
does something, the parks will close. He stressed that there are no funds for
the parks. He stated that some of the public stated that the City should close ~ i
the Stadium, but if the City closes the Stadium it will cost a lot more than y~~~
$2.8 million. He indicated that the Storm lrnows how to sue and the y would ~
win. He noted that if Council took that kind of action, then the community '
would have a legitimate beef with Council. He commented that when a poll
was taken the Storm and the Stadium were the two biggest things that the
people liked in this community.
He stated that the City cannot use the reserves to pay for services, and this
was addressed by the financial team; and clarified that if there were an
emergency in the community, then the community would e~pect the City to
deal with it, and without money there would be no service at all. He stated
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that he had heard that the school owns some of the parks and he pointed out
that is wrong. He noted that they have indicated that they will not pay to
keep the pazks open.
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6. Commented that he has been accused of being corrupt and not to be husted.
He asked in what way he has done anykhing to merit that accusation since he ~` I
stands to profit from nothing. He stated that he lives in a modest home like
everyone else, shops in the same stores; and he would like to know if he has
cheated, where is the money. He stated that if he is comzpt, then the accusers ~
should prove it. He stated that the only thing he wishes to do is work for his '
community and he feels like he has done that. I
7. Advised that the City is cutting 11 employees and noted that the City is ',
expected to stand on its own for 72 hours in an emergency. He stated that he ',
doesn't know how the City will be able to do that now, with three men at City
Yard and that they cannot provide the services that have been given in the
past. He stated that in those circumstances the community is going to
complain, however the Council did try to do a 50% vote and that didn't work.
He reiterated that the Council has followed with what the majority wanted
and in order to place this issue on the ballot the Council had to go along with
a 2/3rds vote. He noted the fish kills and indicated that it will take a whole
lot longer to clean them up because we don't have the people to do it. He
stated that it is not Council's fault because they h-ied from the begiuuing to let
the people know what was going to happen. He noted that the County is
serving eviction notices and no one is making a big deal out of that. He noted
that when a person shows up at City Hall the day after the election and gloats
to employees that are going to loose their jobs, there is something wrong in ,
the community. He expressed concern that no one is coming to Council with
viable solutions; and stressed that the Task Force examined every angle and
worked on the issues.
Mayor Pro Tem Kelley commented on the following:
Announced that the community is invited to the Night After Grad Night,
which is on Friday, June 13th, from 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. She asked that the
public feel free to wallc through the Grad Night e~ibits and sets so they can
get a feel for what the committee has done to provide a safe night for the
graduates. She stated that it will be a lot of fun, and noted that the sets were
designed by a gentleman from Disney and they are wonderful. She advised
that refreshments will be served and they are asking for a$2 donation.
2. Announced that the Evening Boat Cruises sponsored by Pro Marine are
starting up again and stated that it is a wonderful opportunity to be on the
Lake and get a different perspective of the Lake. She stated that they start at
appro~mately 6:00 p.m. and last about one hour and are wonderful.° She
indicated that interested persons can call (909) 678-4028.
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Commented that last Tuesday the citizens of this City lost more than just an
election; they lost a Community Center which provided recreational classes,
meeting rooms, lessons and endless activities for everyone; a park system
that has talcen years to develop and nurture into one of the best in the Valley
which provides a source of entertainment, enjoyment, a place for families to
get together and picnic, a place for young and old alike to rest and play;
sports leagues that have taken years to organize and grow into a recreational
force in this Va11ey such as Little League, Girls Softball, Soccer, Football,
Adult Leagues, etc. She indicated that this has crippled our youth, doused
spirits, limited the future; and squelched a lot of joy and opporiunity for our
kids, ourselves, and each other. She reiterated that the City has lost 11 hard
working employees that have served this community with pride and effort;
but, most tragically, this community has become deeply divided with anger,
rumors, misinformation and lies. She noted that we have become too quick to
take information for truth without considering the sowce or doing our own
invesrigating. She stressed the importance of making sure that we are out
there doing our own investigation of issues ourselves. She suggested that
some of us have become too complacent to attend Town Hall Meetings or
Neighborhood Coffees to seek out information. She noted that we have
allowed ourselves to take for granted the services that are provided by our
City and never given a thought to what it costs and what it takes to provide
those services until they are in danger, then its too late. She stated that over
6,000 people in this City have become uninvolved and apathetic and have
developed an attitude that all that matters is what we personally desire for our
own. She stated that she hears over and over again "close the parks I don't
use them, but leave the community center open I do use that", or "close the
community center, but leave the parks open I use those" ar"close everything
down, I have no children". She stated that she has even heard "turn out the
street lights as well, we don't need them". Mayor Pro Tem Kelley stated that
we have forgotten the community, our neighbors, our children, our future, our
employees, and we ha~e forgotten our City. She stated that we have become
quick at pointing fingers of blame, but the people to blame are the 6,000
people who did not bother to go to the polls. She noted that more than likely
those are the people who will come before Council and complain about
reduced services, the lack of parks, the closed community center and so on.
She stated that as far as she is concerned there is no excuse for not voting
since it is too simple by either going to the poll or voting absentee. She noted
that a little over 1200 people told 27,000 people, we all won't have parks and
other desperately needed services. She stated that even worse, some thought
of this as a contest that they won. She asked what was won and who are the
winners, and indicated that we are a11 losers and will a11 suffer with lower
property values, idle youth, additional graffiti and so on. She commented that
the pain will go on in this town for a long time and will be hard, but not
impossible to recover from the damage that wiil be done. She asked that the
public reflect for just a minute and consider that the budget was already
$853,000 short when Proposition 218 passed; and it eliminated the pazk
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maintenance portion of the e~sting Lighting and Landscaping Maintenance
District. She stated that this was a State Wide Ballot that requires every city
to validate existing assessments retroactively. She noted that the Task Force ,
recommended not going to the voters constantly, but go once to reinstate the
services that the City has lost over the last few years. They recommended
that the City be made whole again without having to pay for several elections, ,
which are very expensive. She noted that this Council started a public
education process with Town Hall Meetings, coffees, fliers, T. V. shows,
public service announcements, discussions at City Council Meetings, mailers,
walked and knocked on doors to talk to people, and phone banks which
became a part of their daily lives for the last month. She further stated that
they have been straight forward with the voters telling them exacfly what was
on the line and placed signage at the Community Center and the parks to let
the public know closures were imminent if the Measure did not pass. She
explained that it was not a threat, it never was, but-rather a posting to let the
public know what was on the line with this Ba11ot, so~no one would be
surprised when the fences went up. Mayor Pro Tem Kelley stressed the
importance of moving forward in a posirive manner, keeping faith in the City, _
rolling up our sleeves to make it work, cooperating with each other and
looking for solutions that are viable, do-able, and legal as quickly as possible.
She noted that the community will have to put their heads together, take '
input, make a decision, and go back to the polls in November. She stated that
time cannot be wasted and there is not time to get bogged down with
-° accusations. She noted that most importantly, whatever ends up on the ballot
in November, must be a joint effort of everyone concerned to agree on what
is good for the Community.
Councilwoman Brinley commented on the following:
Supported the comments by Councilman Metze and Mayor Pro Tem Kelley,
and indicated that they have said everything that needs to be said.
2. Stated that she felt that it was a shame that so few speak for so many. She
commented that it not the way our system was established, but somewhere
we have taken a turn on the road and we need to go back and review. She
commented on the Proposition with a 2/3rds vote, and stated that we need to
go back to the ballot and allow the voters to make a review. She stated that
she does feel that the community should have a say in where their tax dollars
go and that was never the issue with herself or the other Councilmembers.
She sh~essed that was why the money was earmarked and why the Task Force
was asked to stay together to make sure that the funds were spent properly.
She noted that Council had proposed a taac statement to be mailed to each
property owner to allow them to see where their ta~c dollar was being spent;
therefore it was never an issue that the people of the community were not
going to be treated like a consuxner in their own City. She fu~ther noted that
the issue was to a11ow the majority to speak. She reiterated that there was a
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lot at stake and our children were the issue. Councilwoman Brinley explained
that the Ba11 Park was not the issue, but was used as a smoke screen for the
negarive and explained that Mr. Gunn and Council worked hard to form a
bond pool to malce the stadium stand alone and work for itself. She further
explained that the Council is working with a firm to help the City renegotiate
a contract with the Storm and this will help the City to work towards a
positive goal. She stated that the issues addressed by Measure BB were
parks, police service, diversified programs for children, the Senior Center, the
community center and the community on a whole. She explained that she is
very sorry that this Council has to make the decisions that they have to make
and no one likes to do it; and noted that what upsets her is the fact that the
Council sits down as a whole with the City Attomey, City Manager and
financial consultants and reviews the budget with all of the bad news being
released to the public in black and white and a decision was reached as to
what had to be done; she stated that all five Councilmembers agreed to do ,
what had to be done, but when it comes before the Council table one member
feels free to say no and suggested that there are other choices. She noted that
he lrnows that there are four other responsible people at the table who will do
the responsible thing and do what has to be done.
Addressed the comments regarding Visions and Views and stated that it was _.
approved by Council and is a posifive program about the community. She
noted that the program in June will be about Grad Night and all the hard work
that goes into that production to provide a safe environment for the teenagers.
She stated that it did not cost $11,000 for the program and noted that Media
One volunteers their staff to tape and produce the program and noted that
staff meets for the program during business hours. She noted that the
committee does send a notice to Media One stating when the next meeting
will be held and that does cost $.32.
4. She addressed that fact that she has been with the City fanuly for over ten
years and noted that she has worked with staff for the entire time. She
stressed the dedication, effort and good will that they have brought to the City
and stated that Council would be more than willing to furnish a letter of
recommendation to the employees who ha~e been laid-off to help further their
careers.
5. Addressed City Treasurer Knapp's statement regarding hidden accounts,
slush funds and all the other things that he eludes to and stated that the City
had an audit last month and this occurs annually; and if Mr. Knapp had a11
these questions why didn't he address the auditors while they were here. She
explained that he was told about the audit, and knows when it is going to take
place and asked why he did not question it then. She inquired if the
professionals found something wrong, then why didn't they report us. She
noted that Mr. Knapp wants to get up and blow his own horn about a11 the
things that he knows about being a City Treasurer and yet he does not go to
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the very people who would prove his point. She commented that there does
not need to be the fighting and name calling.
6. Stated her agreement with the person who stated that one person speaks and
drags the rest of Council down with him. She stated that the rest of Council
does not run down the community or bang the table in fiustration. She stated
that the majority of Council tries to come forth with truth and professional
stature.
7. Agreed with Councilman Metze that none of the businesses coming to Lake
Elsinore are getting pay-backs or misdealings: She stated that they aze doing
business and are being reimbursed by the taxes they themselves generate and
if they do not generate the tax, they will not be reimbursed. Invited anyone
that wished to see the contract to come to City Hall and review it. Invited the
public to meet with staff to make a review of the contract and details of the
project if they wish to know more. -
8. Thanked a11 the organized youth groups, community members and everyone
who invited Council to their homes to speak regarding Measure BB. She
noted her appreciation for being given the time to explain the City's position
and situation. She thanked the people who voted on Measure BB in a
" positive manner, but most of all she thanked everyone that voted. She stated
that voting is a privilege and people do not understand that.
Mayor Pape commented on the following:
Noted that as a community we have really gone through the gambit of
'` emotions. He stated that on election night a lot of people were stunned in
disbelief and disappointed. He further stated that as the week went on a lot of
people became angry because of the effect it was going to have on their
lifestyle here in the community. He noted that some of that attitude was
manifested at this meeting. He commented that their anger is so great that
they can generate recall papers in one week and serve them. He indicated
that he feels that this shows that they are deterniined, angry and upset. He
stated that he is also angry and upset because their are people in the
community and an elected official who have lied to the public. Mayor Pape
stated that he looked up the meaning of lie in the dictionary and it says that a
lie is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; something
intended to convey a false impression; to speak falsely or utter untruth
knowingly. He stated that he thinks that is what we have been experiencing.
He noted that it is very frustrating to see that and stated that maybe he is old
fashioned, but he believes that public officials should be accountable for what
they say and make every effort to give people the facts so they can make up
theu own minds. He stated that he has no problem with anyone that voted
against Measwe BB that had the complete facts and could look at him and
say that they lrnew that the parks were going to close; knew we were going to
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close the community center; knew we were not going to have the extra police
protection; and knew we were going to have more graffiti; and still thinlc they
would rather have the $3.85 extra in their pocket each month. He stated that
if they know the facts and still feel that way, he has no problem with that, but
for the public that were lied to and told parks were not going to close and that
we have money, it's not true and the reality will start to set in and people need
to ask who has been telling us the truth and who hasn't. He noted that maybe
the public credibility detectors have been turned off and overpowered by our
needs and wants. He stated that we want to believe that a Councilman is
telling the truth and trust your neighbors when they tell us the parks will not
be closed, but in reality we should have listened to that little voice in our head
that said "where is that money going to come from if we loose this revenue
source", and that little voice is getting louder and louder now and will become
a reality next week because the contractors will start to put up the fences. He
noted that the parks, community center, extra police protection and graffiri
abatement have been talcen away; the lifestyle and standard of living has been
changed by a minority of the people in the community. He stated that the
voters in November can give it back, but from this point it is important to
work on a solurion. He challenged the Citizen's Committee to get back
together, look at the alternatives, come up with a recommendation for a
solution, because it needs to be addressed immediately at the next meeting.
He stated that we do not ha~e time for a lengthy discussion on it, because we
need to get information to the County by the end of the month sn it can ~et ~n
the November ballot. He commented that he felt most people ~.~ould want tq
try again and see if there are new sources back to support the; servic~s
needed in the community. He explained that the revenue is ~oi.ng aw~y June •
30th, of this year; we need to balance the budget for next year a.~.d with
reduced revenue this means reduced services. He noted that every ye~~ he
has been on Council, the City has been cutting services and staff and this
year we are going to have to do it again; but we are now to the point where it
is down to the bone and it is very painfi~l to make these cuts. He further
explained that in answer to a reduction of 11 staff members, it doesn't matter
who they are, but it was about providing services to the Community. Mayor
Pape stated that there is turmoil and upset in the community and that bodes
well for Councilman Alongi and the people he wants to see sit the Council in
November. He indicated that it is disgusting that an elected official would
play politics with the community just to be able to accomplish his own goals.
He stated that what the community needs to do now is get together and look
for solutions; come up with a program that people are going to be satisfied
with and find as a community what services we are willing to pay for and
what services we are going to go without. He noted that there were some
good programs that are going to go away now and they will be gone for a
while, but hopefully people will want to see them come back and funds will
be voted for in the November election. He stated that we now have 33
people working at the City and an equal number of police positions and noted
that more than half of the City's budget goes to Public Safety and stated that
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if Council has to cut again next year, that is the only place left. He stated that
there is not a person that wants to see that. Ae explained that he hopes the
State will see that they have taken too much revenue from the cities and start
to send some of that back, but right now it is only in the talking stages in
Sacramento. He encouraged the public to get in touch with their State
representatives and express their opinions. He stated that he has faith in the
people of this City to deal with the problems and together we will get through
this.
CLOSED SESSION
None.
ADJOURNMENT
THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEE IN W DJOURNED AT 929
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VIN W. P E, MAYOR
CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
ATTEST:
~~ICK3i KASE`,'J, CITY CLERK
Ci'.r Y 03? LAI{E ELSINORE
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