HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-10-2001 City Council MinutesMINUTES
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
183 NORTH MAIN STREET
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA
TUESDAY, APRIL 10, 2001
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CALL TO ORDER
The Regular City Council Meeting was called to order by Mayor Schiffner at 7:05
p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Councilman Metze.
INVOCATION
The Invocation was provided by Pastor James Payne, representing New Life
Foursquare Church.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT: COUNCILMEMBERS:
ABSENT: COUNCILMEMBERS:
BRINLEY, KELLEY,
METZE, PAPE,
SCHIFFNER
NONE
Also present were: City Manager Watenpaugh, City Attorney Leibold,
Administrative Services Director Boone, Fire Chief Gallegos, Police Chief
Walsh, Engineering Manager O'Donnell, Information/Communications
Manager Dennis, Lake Operations Manager Kilroy, Recreation/Tourism
Manager Edelbrock, City Treasurer Ferro and City Clerk/Human Resources
Director Kasad.
Donna Morin and Emma Jean, representing the Lake Elsinore Historical Society,
presented a painting of City Hall to the City in appreciation for the City Council
and staff s efforts to assist them. They invited the City Council and Public to the
Museum on April 11~" for refreshments in celebration of the City's 113th birthday.
(F:44.1)
PUBLIC COMMENTS - AGENDIZED ITEMS
Requests were received to address the following items and deferred to those
discussions:
Item Nos. 5, 6, 21 and 31.
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CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS
The following items were pulled from the Consent Calendar for further discussion
and consideration:
Items Nos. 4, 5, 6.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY KELLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNA1vIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT
CALENDAR AS PRESENTED.
The following Minutes were approved:
a. Regular City Council Meeting - March 13, 2001.
b. City Council/Redevelopment Agency Study Session - March 27,
2001.
c. Regular City Council Meeting - March 27, 2001. (F:44.4)
The following Minutes were received and ordered filed:
d. Planning Commission Meeting - March 7, 2001. (F:60.3)
e. Design Review Committee Meeting - March 7, 2001. (F:60.4)
2. Ratified Warrant List for March 29, 2001. (F:123)
3. Approved Joint Use Agreement with Southern California Edison for
Relocation of Facilities on Mission Trail at Lemon Street. (F:68.1)(X:132.1)
Approved Public Hearing Date of Apri124, 2001, for the following:
a. A request for an amendment to the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code,
Chapter 17.11 which will transfer the approving authority for review
and approval of allowable uses and signs within the Historic
Downtown Overlay District, Area I, from the Design Review
Committee to the Community Development Director. No fiirther
approval shall be required, however the Community Development
Director has the option to determine that a use or sign require the
approval of the Planning Commission. (F:60.1)(X:104.3)
PUBLIC HEARINGS
21. Amendment No. 1 to La Laguna Estates Development A~reement -
Ordinance No. 1074. (F:68.1)
Mayor Schiffner opened the Public Hearing at 7:10 p.m. City Manager
Watenpaugh noted that this item was pulled from the last meeting, as there
were issues that were unresolved; however at this point those issues have
been addressed and agreement has been reached.
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Community Development Director Brady detailed this item, noting that the
original Development Agreement was done in 1990. He advised that the
project involved 489 acres of land adjacent to McVicker Park and near the
Centex homes. He advised that the amendments requested were in three
areas being, 1) a reduction in the established fee schedule, 2) an increase in
the term of the agreement by five years and 3) a change in the number of
areas from four planning areas to six areas. He further advised that the
Planning Commission considered this matter on March 17`i' and
recommended approval. He noted that the Planning Commission did
express concern with regard to the reduction in DAG fees, in that the
recommendation was to reduce them by half, and the Planning Commission
did not feel they should be reduced.
Dan iJhlry, 150 E. Lakeshore, #80, indicated that he had no objection to the
extension of time or other criteria, but expressed concern with the reduction
in developer fees. He indicated that if the developer in fact needed a
reduction of $1,000 per unit to make the project work, maybe it shouldn't be
built. He further indicated that if the Council starts reducing developer fees
on a large project like this, it would open another can of worms, and noted
past problems on development projects.
Councilman Pape clarified that when this agreement was originally
approved, the DAG fees were set at $1,000, but gradually over the years,
they increased due to the escalating factor. He indicated that this proposal
was for the original amount, but if the project was not built in a timely
fashion the fees would go up again. He explained that this was an attempt
to encourage the project to move forward, and the City's finance team feels
it is a good idea to encourage development in this area. He expressed
support for this amendment.
Councilwoman Kelley noted that she too had concerns with the proposed
reduction in DAG fees, but after talking to staff and reviewing the history of
the project, she had gained a better understanding of the circumstances. She
requested clarification from the City Manager.
City Manager Watenpaugh reiterated that the original agreement was in
1990; and explained that the reduction was intended as an incentive to
encourage development, prior to the escalator going into effect. He noted
that the developer had been involved in the CFD 88-3 since its inception,
and reminded Council that the finance team was working to resolve CFD
issues and had recommended this reduction to the original $1,000 fee to
expedite development of the project.
Councilman Metze concurred with Councilmembers Kelley and Pape, but
questioned the chances of development getting'started on this project. He
also inquired if the agreement would continue to 2010 and then go away.
Community Development Director Brady clarified that the extension was
proposed to run unti12010, and with regard to development, staff was in
discussions with the property owner and they have indicated that they
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would submit plans in the next year and proceed with development. He
noted that the full project would be 660 units over the period of the
agreement. Councilman Metze suggested that the time be kept as short as
possible. City Manager Watenpaugh noted that if the agreement expires, all
developer fees would be lost anyway.
Mayor Pro Tem Brinley noted that she spoke with Mr. Brady on this
project, and reviewed how the finance team intended to address it. She
reiterated that this project had been on the books since 1990, and noted that
she remembered it from when she was on the Planning Commission. She
indicated that she had no problem with the proposal.
Mayor Schiffner expressed understanding of the concerns regarding the
fees, but clarified the original cost and the intervening escalation clause.
He expressed hopes that it would encourage the developer to move ahead.
He also noted the cooperation received from this owner on the new fire
station; and indicated that the finance team saw it as a good move too.
City Attorney Leibold encouraged the Council to follow the
recommendation in the staff report when making the motion, noting that the
ordinance would require a reading by title only, followed by a roll call vote.
Mayor Schiffner closed the Public Hearing at 7:21 p.m.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY PAPE TO MAKE THE
FOLLOWING FINDINGS AND ADOPT ORDINANCE NO. 1074 UPON
FIRST READING BY TTTLE ONLY:
Findin¢s
It can be seen with certainty that there is no possibility that the approval of
the First Amendment may have a significant effect on the environment
(CEQA Guidelines Section 15061 (b)(3).
2. The First Amendment is (a) consistent with fhe General Plan, (b) will not
be detrimental to health, safety and general welfare of persons residing in
the area nor injurious to property, (c) will not adversely affect the orderly
development of property values, (d) is consistent with the provisions of
Development Agreement Act, Government Code Sections 65864 through
65869.5.
ORDINANCE NO. 1074
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE APPROVING THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF
LAKE ELSINORE AND LA LAGUNA ESTATES/GEORGE DALE.
UPON ~HE FOLLOWING ROLL CALL VOTE:
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AYES: COUNCILMEMBERS: BRINLEY, KELLEY,
METZE, PAPE,
• SCHIFFNER
NOES: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE
ABSENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE
ABSTAIN: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE
22. Consideration of Objections to the City's Weed Abatement Proeram.
(F:166.1)
Mayar Schiffner opened the Public Hearing at 7:25 p.m.
City Manager Watenpaugh advised that this was an annual housekeeping
item; and that approximately 5,000 notices for abatement had been sent out
to property owners. He further advised that the property owners had until
May 15` to abate the properties, or the City would abate them and bill the
owners for the work and an administrative fee.
Councilman Metze had no comments.
Mayor Pro Tem Brinley had no comments.
Councilwoman Kelley had no comments.
Councilman Pape commented that this was a housekeeping item.
Mayor Schiffner closed the Public Hearing at 7:26 p.m.
MOVED BY PAPE, SECONDED BY KELLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE, IN LIGHT OF NO OBJECTIONS BEING
PRESENTED, TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THIS
YEAR'S WEED ABATEMENT PROCESS.
31. Formation of Park Maintenance Assessment District. (F:22.1)
City Manager Watenpaugh clarified that this item was a request for
consideration of funding a report to consider establishment of a district. He
explained that the intent was to remove the burden from the general fund;
and he was seeking an analysis for a city-wide assessment. He clarified that
formation of a district would require a vote of the people, with a mailed
ballot. He advised that the request was for funding of the $22,100 for the
study from the reserve account.
Chris Hyland, 15181 Wavecrest, suggested that this was another financial
scheme for a special assessment on the property owners, allegedly for
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money to fund the parks.' She further suggested that it was doubtful that
such a special tax would be approved, and the City should not waste
$22,100 on a study when the conclusion was already known. She indicated -
that the City Council and staff would not be trusted by the residents. She
commented that Mission Trail was being paid for with impounded City
dollars, because the County did not trust the City. She also commented on
borrowed library funds and suggested they would not be paid back. She
indicated that the Council and staff would siphon off the money to pay
lawsuits, etc. She suggested admitting that the financial fuel tank was
ruruiing on empty and it was time to ante-up for services. She further
suggested that members of the community log on to Lake Elsinore
Magazine.com for more information on the City.
Councilman Pape noted that it might be a first, but he had to agree with
Mrs. Hyland. He expressed concern that approving funds for the study
would then commit the Council to move forward with the election; and
indicated that there was no reason to do the study if it was left to sit on the
shelf. He concurred that there was not a high likelihood that the taac
measure would pass. He suggested that it was important to discuss
increasing revenues and decreasing expenditures before this was proposed.
He indicated that the Council needed to look at what was necessary to be
sure that every other option was considered before moving forward. He
suggested looking at what was needed for parks and where other funding
might be available in the budget. He noted that other communities were
making cuts, and it was important to explore other avenues before going to
the people to ask for additional funds.
Councilwoman Kelley commented that no one liked to look at the
possibility of a new assessment for any reason, but parks were an important
part of the community and needed to be protected. She noted that $650,000
from the General Fund was going to park maintenance annually. She
agreed that there was no reason to do this study unless the Council was
committed to going for the 51 % vote required. She suggested that she
would support a study session for more information on this item, and would
like more time to look at other options.
Councilman Metze indicated that he was astonished to find this item on the
agenda, noting that the Council worked really hard four or five years ago
after Proposition 218 passed. He stressed the efforts to work back to having
the parks fully funded and add personnel. He indicated that he was very
upset to find this item on the agenda at this time and advised that he would
go after the City Manager's office before he approved this item. He
stressed the personnel additions to the budget and suggested that there
should have been a study session before this was placed on the agenda. He
noted that there was also a recommendation on a more expensive car for the
City Manager and indicated that this was one of the weirdest agendas in a
long time. He indicated that this type of assessment would be his last
choice and suggested looking somewhere else.
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Mayor Pro Tem Brinley indicated that she felt the same way as
Councilwoman Kelley, in that this matter should be taken back to a study
session, and suggested it might also be appropriate issue for a Mayor's
committee and town hall meetings. She suggested starting with a study
session, possibly followed by a town hall meeting for input from the
community. She concurred that an assessment would not set well. She
reiterated that this should be continued to a study session with as many facts
and figures as possible.
Mayor Schiffner noted Mrs. Hyland's comment about raising funds, and
noted that the Council indicated at the earlier meeting that it was being
considered as a method to raise additional revenues and free up over
$600,000. He suggested that it would help free up money for the staffing at
the new fire station. He concurred that the matter should be studied further
at study sessions and town hall meetings, and indicated that he would like as
much input as possible.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY KELLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO A STUDY SESSION,
FOLLOWED BY AGREEMENT ON ESTABLISHING A MAYOR'S
COMMITTEE OR TOWN HALL MEETING OR WHATEVER IS
WARRANTED.
City Manager Watenpaugh requested clarification whether this was to be a
separate study session or part of the budget study session. Council
consensus was that it should be a separate study session.
32. Lake Elsinore Recreation Area (Camp r¢ ound) - Concession A~reement -
Sunland Resorts. (F:68.1)(X:l 14.13)
City Manager Watenpaugh explained that this item was listed to allow for a
presentation from the proposed concessionaire for the campground. He
noted that staff had been meeting with Mr. Paydar for quite some time and
was now prepared for presentation of the concept plan and an outline of the
proposal. He indicated that some questions still existed with regard to the
length of the lease. He introduced Mr. Paydar for his presentation.
Reza Paydar, President of Sunland Resorts, noted that they operate five
facilities, of which three are five star resorts; and have been in business for
the last 15 years. He detailed che amenities proposed for the Lake Elsinore
facility including a club house, 350 full hook-up sites, etc. He noted the
success of their Hemet facility and suggested it was due to the $300,000
spent on promotion by them last year; and commented that Hemet was not
as intense a recreational area as Lake Elsinore. He explained that they
would propose to do renovations in three phases and highlighted their
proposal.
Russ Onufer, Nogle & Onufer Architects, San Diego, presented the current
configuration of the facility, noting that the site was heavily wooded, giving
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it character, which they would like to maintain. He also noted the current
configuration of the streets, which they would like to preserve. He
indicated that their plan proposed to move the entrance for the facility, so it
would be in line with Lincoln Street. He detailed the proposed location for
the new club house facility. He advised that they were planning the facility
as a destination resort and further detailed the amenities of the club house,
including banquet rooms, exercise room, etc. He further noted that they
would include a large pool area, as well as amenities related to the Lake.
He further addressed the proposed configuration and indicated that it would
be a gated facility with controlled access; and eventually include public
access to the public facilities associated with the Lake. He noted that in
addition to the 350 hook-up sites, they were considering the adjacent 20
acres for a group area for tent camping as well as R.V.'s. He noted that the
Marina and facilities would be constructed at a later date and noted the
proposed architecture for the buildings, which was similar to other buildings
in the community.
Mayor Schiffner indicated that he had no requests to speak, but asked if
anyone in the audience was interested in addressing the proposal.
Pete Dawson, 18010 Grant Avenue, noted his past knowledge of the
community and stressed the problems with the concession arrangement
between the State and Mr. Watkins. He noted that every time there was a
problem with the Lake, he asked or more concessions and received them.
He noted the variables with regard to the Lake level and commented on the
potential difficulties that might present for the proposed launch
ramp/marina.
Chris Hyland, 15191 Wavecrest, questioned the comments regarding the
portion of the campground for tents, also being used for R.V. groups. Mr.
Honifer confirmed. Mrs. Hyland inquired if there would always be the
required area for tent camping, as mandated by the State agreement.
Councilman Pape indicated that there were a number of details to be
addressed.. He indicated that the primary concern should be that they
provide a nice facility for public use. He suggested that if the City had an
extra $5 million it could make the facility improvements, but indicated that
he was not sure the City wanted to be in the campground business. He
stressed the importance of having someone with the experience and
knowledge to properly market and operate the facility. He indicated that it
was important to include provisions in the agreement to ensure that the
problems with the past concessionaire could not occur. He suggested that
there might be a need for an annual inspection and repairs, but noted that
with the proposed clientele he did not anticipate problems. He also
suggested requiring that the concessionaire maintain a top rating from travel
industry representatives, noting that if it had a top rating it would be a good
facility with nice amenities and something that would bring pride to the
community. He noted the proposed phasing and noted that based on the
expense they would want a longer term contract, possibly with some ten
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year automatic renewals, if they maintain it properly and everyone was
happy. He stressed the need for clauses which give the City recourse to
address problems. He suggested that the proposal fit the recreation/tourism
intent of the community and noted the related economic benefits.
Councilwoman Kelley indicated that the proposed improvements would
benefit the community as a whole but noted the need for clarification on
some issues. She questioned the intent with regard to the tent camping
spaces and the later change in location. She also questioned the use of the
amenities by the general public. Mr. Onufer clarified that there would
always be tent camping, but the location might be changed. He indicated
that the market would be part of the marina to be constructed in a later
phase. Councilwoman Kelley questioned the gate secured facilities vs. the
public use facilities. Mr. Onufer stressed the separation between the
destination resort and the public facilities and noted their understanding of
the Lake level flucturations. Councilwoman Kelley noted the previous
concession and indicated that she would ask the City Attorney for
appropriate performance clauses; and to confirm that the plan coincides
with the State plan for the area. City Attorney Leibold indicated that she
would keep the State informed and give them the opportunity to comment.
Councilwoman Kelley eapressed concern with the potential for a 75 year
lease agreement, but noted that otherwise it was a good opportunity for the
community. She indicated that she had no problem with moving to the
next step.
°Councilman Metze concurred with Councilmembers Pape and Kelley and
indicated that the developer needed to keep in mind that millions of dollars
had already been spent on the Lake, and another $15 million is about to be
spent on it. He stressed the City's commitment to the Lake so far, and
indicated that it would continue. He reiterated that the City Attorney
needed to negotiate a very tight contract.
Mayor Pro Tem Brinley indicated that she had attended an event at the
Hemet facilities and noted that it was a lovely facility. She noted that Lake
Elsinore used to be a capital for snow-birds and it would be exciting to have
them in the community again. She indicated that she was in support of this
project, but had some reservations with the length of the contract. She
indicated that she would prefer a term of 30 to 35 years, with the ability to
renew it. She inquired if there would be public access to the swimming
pool. Mr. Onufer indicated that it would be available only to people staying
in the park. Mayor Pro Tem Brinley inquired if it would be available to the
people staying in the group area. Mr. Onufer confirmed. Mayor Pro Tem
Brinley indicated that she would like a stipulation in the conditions that
there would always be tent camping available. She commented that overall
this looked like a good project and fit the City's goal to be
Tourist/Recreation oriented. She noted that the former Mayor of Hemet
spoke very highly of their company; and she indicated that she liked the
change in the entrance location.
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Mr. Paydar addressed the term of the lease and indicated that with what they
were intending to spend on the campground (approximately $5 million) it
would be difficult to secure a financial commitment on a thirty-year lease.
He indicated that he did not want to misrepresent the situation. He stressed
that they are a great company with a great reputation, however a 35 year
lease restriction would limit his ability to move forward. Mayor Pro Tem
Brinley inquired how much had been spent on the Hemet facility. Mr.
Paydar indicated that they had spent $15 million, however they had fee title
to the land; and explained that institutional lenders required either long term
leases or fee title ownership. He noted the future potential for hotels and
other amenities, and indicated that he did not want to waste Council's time if
he could not proceed.
City Attorney Leibold noted that the City had retained an economic
consultant, with knowledge of recreation camping type facilities. She
commented that certainly with the large investment, there would need to be
a substantial lease time to allow for amortization of costs. She indicated
that staff would need to look at pro formas and meet with financial advisors
regarding this issue. She noted that based on the City's title, the property
could never be conveyed to the operator for fee title; and further noted that
the maximum term for a contract for recreational purposes in California was
75 years. She stressed the need to look at further financial data and confer
on what timing would be appropriate. Mayor Schiffner indicated that it was
not the time to decide on the term of the lease at this meeting. City
Attorney Leibold noted that from the comments, the Council recognized the
need for some longer term, and suggested working with the developer to
determine the appropriate period of time.
Mayor Schiffner indicated that there was nothing wrong with the project,
but he expressed concern with the length of the contract. He acknowledged
the need to protect their investment and suggested that as long as the facility
is well done and properly maintained he would not be concerned if it was
for 30 years or 75 years. He suggested that any automatic extensions be
based on performance. He indicated that he did not want to discourage
them by not providing an adequate lease, but expressed certainty that it
would be worked out. He stressed his concern with getting into a long term
lease with someone who does not perform.
MOVED BY PAPE, SECONDED BY METZE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ENTER
INTO NEGOTIATIONS FOR AN AGREEMENT REFLECTIVE OF THE
CITY COUNCdL'S CONDITIONS AND CONCERNS.
ITEMS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR
4. Vehicle Replacement. (F:46.1)(X:48.1)
Councilman Pape noted that he had addressed this item at the last meeting,
and requested that it be continued to allow staff to look at the cost of other
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vehicles. He indicated that there was no question that the vehicle needed to
be replaced, as it was in need of repairs and no longer cost effective,
however he was still concerned that $35,000 was too much for the vehicle.
He suggested the purchase of a Crown Victoria, noting the cost of both the
Crown Victoria and the Grand Marquis. He noted that the City Managers in
Perris and Murrieta drive Crown Victorias, in Temecula an Explorer and in
Corona and Hemet they are given $400 a month car allowance. He
expressed concern with the cost of a four wheel drive vehicle and suggested
that there was only one area in North Peak which would be difficult access
and the developer had provided a vehicle for tours. He addressed the issue
of legroom in the back seat for passengers, but that would not be a problem
for short distances. He stressed that the Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis
are full sized cars and questioned need for the nicest vehicle in the valley.
Councilwoman Kelley indicated that when this issue came up at the last
meeting, it caught her off guard; however the City Manager's contract calls
for replacement of his vehicle. She noted that the request was for a four-
wheel drive Expedition, which would seat six people comfortably; and
indicated that there were times he had to take people to undeveloped land or
out on the levee. She also noted that the vehicle would be equipped for
emergency use; and noted that the Crown Victoria was not sturdy enough
for travel into undeveloped areas.
Councilman Metze indicated that he was set to move on this item, until he
saw the need to tax people on the agenda. He indicated that the Crown
Victaria and the Grand Marquis were nice cars and the Sheriff s Department
uses them. He suggested if there was a need to tax the people, he could not
see moving forward with this item at this time. Councilwoman Kelley
noted that the City Manager's contract calls for replacement of the current
vehicle, which would be about $38,000.
Mayor Pro Tem Brinley concurred with Councilwoman Kelley and noted
the need for an emergency radio, and stressed the requirements for the
vehicle. She noted that the former City Manger spoke of the need for
something to be used off-road for areas such as North Peak or Ramsgate
because cars couldn't make it. She further noted that the former and current
City Managers had been driving this car since 1994, and questioned the
mileage on the vehicle and the current problems. City Manager
Watenpaugh indicated that the mileage was 163,000; and the turbo charger
and air conditioning were out. He suggested replacement and indicated that
he thought prior to coming to Council that it would not be an issue. Mayor
Pro Tem Brinley expressed support for replacement of the vehicle, and
suggested that it was a long time in coming.
Mayor Schiffner noted that the City Manager's current vehicle was a bit of a
luxury vehicle, and would cost about $38,000 to replace; however the
proposed vehicle was more of a utility vehicle and he was not sure that it
would be enjoyable to drive in contrast. He noted that the vehicle carries
emergency equipment and radios and it could be used by other City
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personnel when they go into the back country; and would carry more people
easily. He indicated that he felt it was a good move to buy this vehicle; but
expressed understanding for the concerns about saving a few dollars, even
though he was not sure this was the place to do so.
Councilman Pape noted the comment about the Crown Victoria not being
durable, but noted that most police cars were Crown Victorias. Police Chief
Walsh indicated that the Crown Victaria was the only manufactured rear-
wheel drive vehicle for police, otherwise they "suck". Councilman Pape
questioned why the City Manager needed the nicest vehicle in Western
Riverside County, and where the "back country" was.
Mayor Pro Tem Brinley called for the question.
MOVED BY SCHIFFNER, SECONDED BY BRINLEY AND CARRIED BY
A VOTE OF 3 TO 2 WITH METZE AND PAPE CASTING THE
DISSENTING VOTE TO APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE 1994
BUICK AND AUTHORIZED STAFF TO MAKE THE NECESSARY
TRANSFER OF FUNDS.
Mayor Schiffner indicated that the vehicle would be acquired; and noted
that the Police Department was not concerned with the comfort of the
people in the back seat. He also noted comments regarding all votes being
5- 0 and stressed that this was a departure from that vote.
5. Floatin~? Restrooms Grant - Installation & Operations Contracts -
ResolutionNo. 2001-09. (F:68.1)(X:92.1)
Bill Tucker, 740 Acacia, indicated that this was one of the best proposals
presented. He noted the comments he heard about the waste being dumped
into the Lake; but clarified that they would be pulled in to be maintained.
He stressed that this was a good idea.
City Manager Watenpaugh deferred to Lake Operations Manager Kilroy to
respond to questions, but noted that the facilities would be pumped
regularly and noted that the funds are included far proper anchoring and
maintenance. Mr. Kilroy indicated that the new portable toilets were
upgraded, similar to airline toilets and flushable. He clarified the ability to
take them to shore and vacuum them for proper disposal. He stressed that
they were very safe and noted favorable comments provided by other
agencies utilizing this type of facility. He stressed that they were a great
convenience for the boating community and Lake staff.
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY PAPE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2001-09
ACCEPTING THE FLOATING RESTROOM GRANT AND AUTHORIZED
THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE GRANT AGREEMENT FOR
INSTALLATION AND OPERATION OF THE FACILITIES.
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6. Proposition 12 Funding Allocation.(F:84.1)(X:92.6)
Councilwoman Kelley indicated that she pulled this item for discussion of
the proposed skateboard park. She clarified that she had been working on
the park for the last three years and it was currently close to becoming a
reality. She noted that they were hoping to have it operational by October.
She addressed a recent article about problems at the skateboard park in
Rialto, which negatively portrayed skateboard parks and the skateboarders.
She noted the differences between the proposed facility and that in Rialto;
and stressed that the City's facility would be supervised, have a minimal
charge for use and hopefully include a concessionaire to provide safety
equipment rentals. She stressed that safety gear would be required and the
park would be a nice location near the fire station at McVicker Park. She
noted that the facility would be fenced and lit and very beneficial for the
community. She further noted that the proposed facility was similar to the
operations in Escondido and Temecula and they had no problems associated
with gangs, drugs or graffiti.
City Manager Watenpaugh indicated that most of the Council had been
participatory and supportive of this effort to provide a safe area to get the
kids off the streets and make them feel safe. He indicated that the cost
breakdowns would be brought back soon, without waiting for final approval
to pursue the project.
Chris Hyland, 15191 Wavecrest, indicated that a private citizen associated
with the BMX track had approached the City to provide a skatepark facility.
She stressed that it was a private effort which would not be a burden to the
Police Department. She noted the article regarding the Rialto Skatepark and
the number of calls the police receive to go to that facility. She stressed that
it was a serious problem which would only get worse during the summer
months. She suggested that there would be maintenance costs which could
not be afforded. She further suggested that the facility was only an effort to
win the election. She indicated that before a skateboarding facility was
injected into a private neighborhood, staff should go back and review the
BMX location proposal. She questioned if the City really wanted children
in an unsupervised area. She noted the discussion of new assessments, at
the same time there were plans to pay for supervision.
Robin Johnson, 17538 Bodkin Avenue, noted that they run a small shop in
Lake Elsinore and believes the kids need a safe place to skateboard. She
indicated that it is a great sport and expressed support for this project.
Brian Johnson, 17538 Bodkin Avenue, indicated that he had been a resident
of Lake Elsinore for 22 years and stressed the need for a skatepark at which
the kids can gather and perform their tricks. He noted the question of
private vs. City facility and indicated that a properly located, constructed
and maintained facility would bring revenue to the City. He provided
statistics on skateboarding participation, revenue and parks across the
United States. He expressed his full support for this proposal.
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Councilman Metze commented that this project should move forward.
Mayor Pro Tem Brinley noted that the Council has supported the efforts of
Councilwoman Kelley on this project and indicated that she deserved many
kudos and credits for bringing it this far. She indicated that the Community
was deserving of a project like this which provides a safe environment for
the kids. She noted that it will also benefit the business community by
preventing skateboard traffic in shopping areas. She suggested that it would
be a win/win situation. She supported the proposal for a supervised facility
at a nominal cost or fee, noting that parents are always requesting safe areas
for children. She noted that she had discussed it with Police Chief Walsh
and he indicated that he had no problem with the project. She indicated that
this was a project the community could look forward to.
Councilwoman Kelley reiterated that this was a"supervised" skateboard
park and the one in Rialto is "unsupervised", and stressed the difference
between the two. She indicated that to suggest this was only being built for
the election was nonsense, as she was not up for election and has been
working on it for the last three or four years. She further indicated that she
was motivated by what was right for the kids. Mayor Pro Tem Brinley
inquired if there would be hours of operation established for the park.
Councilwoman Kelley indicated that there will be set hours, but it will be lit
to allow for evening use. She noted that efforts were still being made to
work with Supervisor Buster and the City of Canyon Lake for collaborative
funding, and noted that as soon as she got back with them she would have
more definitive information.
MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY BRINLEY TO APPROPRIATE
100% OF THE CITY'S 2000 BOND ACT FUNDS ($262,235) TO THE
MCVICKER CANYON SKATE PARK PROJECT.
Councilman Pape noted the Councilwoman Kelley had been working on
this for several years and it had even become a topic of ineetings at the
League of California Cities. He suggested that it was not acceptable to wait
beyond fall to open this park. He noted that the facility would be a ten-foot
fence around the facility. He stressed that it would be like the facilities in
Temecula and Escondido, in that they are supervised, fee-based parks and a
concession for rental of safety equipment. He further stressed that there will
be people to supervise the activities, so the parents can feel comfortable that
they are in a safe environment. He noted that he looked forward to having a
ribbon cutting this fall.
Mayor Schiffner commented on the election comment and noted that
people had asked him why there wasn't one during the last election. He also
noted that in this case it would be built on a flat slab with moveable
equipment; and in the event it is a problem, it would make two fine tennis
courts, so it is not that big a risk.
THE FOREGOING MOTION CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
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PUBLIC COMMENTS - NON-AGENDIZED ITEMS
Daniel Uhlry, 150 E. Lakeshore, reminded the community that the Circus was
coming to town and would present two shows on Wednesday and two shows on
Thursday. He stressed that it is a non-animal circus, and invited everyone to
attend.
Pete Dawson, representing LEMSAR, presented the March log information. He
indicated that they logged in 49 hours of volunteer time including patrol of the jet
ski races, attendance at the Sheriffs annual awards banquet, and retrieved two
stolen boats. He noted that LEMSAR monitors band channe168 far emergencies
and indicated that was a more efficient way to get assistance.
CITY MANAGER COMMENTS
City Manager Watenpaugh commented on the following:
1) Introduced the new Fire Chief, Steve Gallegos.
2) Announced the EDC Lunch on Thursday at 1130 at the Diamond Club.
3) Announced the SAWPA JPA Meeting on Thursday at 2 p.m. at City Hall.
4) Announced the Children's FairBaster Egg Hunt on April 14`~' at McVicker
Park and noted that it was being sponsored by Walmart and Cops for Kids.
5) Advised that work on Mission Trail was underway and completion was
anticipated by mid-July.
6) Noted that the Graffiti program was responding to between 60 and 95
locations a week, and the Police Department had caught some of the
perpetrators, and they were paying restitution. He stressed that the process
was working.
CITY ATTORNEY COMMENTS
City Attorney Leibold commented on the following:
1) Announced that the City had received a check for $90,000 from LAFCO in
connection with the Meadowbrook/Cleveland Ridge actions.
2) Announced the Closed Session items as listed on the agenda.
CI'Y'Y COUNCIL COMMENTS
Councilman Metze commented on the following:
1) Wished his son Mikey, a Happy 11`h Birthday.
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Mayor Pro Tem Brinley commented on the following:
1) Announced that she had been able to procure tl~ree vans from the RTA for
the City. She noted that one would be used for the Senior Center and she
would be discussing other options with the City Attorney.
2) Reminded everyone of the Historical Society's celebration of the City's 113'~'
Birthday, tomorrow at the Museum.
3) Reiterated the information on the Children's FairBaster Egg Hunt on
Saturday, and wished everyone a Happy Easter.
Councilman Pape commented on the following:
1) Thanked Nadine and Jerry Harmatz and the Historical Society for the
painting of City Hall and indicated it was very nice.
2) Noted the Apri120`~' Alum Treatment Meeting.
3) Noted the Easter Egg Hunt at 10 a.m. on Saturday.
4) Addressed the Graffiti and noted that the City spends about $50,000 a year
to abate it. He noted the letters received from people who had been caught
and paid restitution for the damage they caused.
5) Announced the Women's Club Annual Flower Show on Apri127t'' and 28`~'.
He noted the categories for participation and indicated that additional
information could be obtained directly from the Women's~Club. ,.
Councilwoman Kelley had no comments.
Mayor Schiffner commented on the following:
1) Noted the letter sent by the City Council to EVMWD at the last meeting
requesting comment on the Tilley Agreement and indicated that due to
scheduling they would not be discussing it until tomorrow morning,
therefore, no response would be received until after that meeting. He
indicated that a response was anticipated before the next City Council
Meeting.
2) Thanked everyone for attending and wished everyone a good night and a
Happy Easter.
CLOSED SESSION
A. CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL -ANTICIPATED
LITIGATION - Initiation of litigation pursuant to subdivision ( c) of
Government Code §54956.9 (1 potential case).
B. CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL - EXISTING LITIGATION
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(Subdivision (a) of Government Code §54956.9) Pacific Crematorium Inc. v.
Stuart F. Comer, et al (Riverside County Superior Court Case #RIC354575)
MOVED BY BRINLEY, SECONDED BY KELLEY AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO RECESS TO CLOSED SESSION FOR
DISCUSSION OF THE ABOVE LISTED MATTERS AT 9:10 P.M.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT 10:26 P.M., WITH
NO REPORTABLE ACTION.
ADJOURNIVIENT
MOVED BY METZE, SECONDED BY PAPE AND CARRIED BY
UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADJOURN THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL
MEETING AT 10:27 P.M.
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ROBERT L. SCHIFFNE , MAYOR
CITY OF LAKE ELSIN RE
ATTEST:
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VICKI KASAD, CMC, CITY CLERK/
HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR