HomeMy WebLinkAbout03-05-2002 City Council Study SessionMINUTES
CITY COUNCIL STUDY SESSION
CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
130 SOUTH MAIN STREET
LAKE ELSINORE, CALIFORNIA
TUESDAY, MARCH 5, 2002
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CALL TO ORDER
The City Council Study Session was called to order by Mayor Kelley at 2:06 p.m.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: BRINLEY, BUCKLEY,
KELLEY, SCHIFFNER,
HICKMAN
ABSENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: NONE
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Also present were: City:Manager Watenpaugh, Assistant City Manager Best,
City Attorney Leibold, Administrative Services Director Boone, Community
Development Director Brady, Community Services Director Sapp,
Information/Communications Manager Dennis, Planning Manager Villa,
Recreation & Tourism Manager Edelbrock, City Treasurer Ferro and City
C1erWHuman Resources~Director Kasad.
DISCUSSION ITEM
Citv Council Goal Settin~ & Policies (F:44.1)(X:1201)
City Manager Watenpaugh noted that there had been a request for a Study Session
regarding policies, and the Council and RDA had expressed an interest in sitting
down to do a little visioning and try to find out the Council's perspective and goals
for the community. He explained that the community leaders and staff were
looking for a perspective on where the City Council sees the City in the short
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term, as well as the longer term to 2025. He suggested that the policies be set for
a separate study session and noted the potential that some of the policies would
need to be codified. He suggested that this meeting be used as an opportunity to
relax and put ideas on the table for consideration, so the staff could gain direction
and ideas from the Council. He further suggested that this process would assist
staff in focusing into the budget workshops, finding means to accomplish the
goals, and gaining more community involvement in the process. He indicated
that the intent of this meeting was not to look at details, personalities of money
issues, but rather get the vision of the Council. He commented that the Council
had not done a lot of goal setting in the past, and stressed that they should put
aside thoughts of money and personalities and focus on what they want the
community to be and where they want it to go. He suggested that this meeting
might lead to other efforts for the community involvement. He provided a list of
mandated services the City was obligated to provide. He also provided copies of
the existing goals and objectives, which staff had been working on; and has almost
completed most of them. ` He detailed the 2001-2002 goals as follows: 1) to
improve City services and staffing levels, 2) to improve Fire Protection Services,
3) to complete a Regional Recreation Area Concession Agreement, 4) to increase
traffic enforcement and police services through grant funding, 5) to evaluate
revenue alternatives, 6) to develop and implement a Trafffic Uniform Mitigation
Fee, 7) to increase energy efficiency and conservation measures in City facilities,
8) to secure Proposition 12 and Proposition 13 Grant funds, and 9) to advance
Economic Gardening Strategy by increasing business participation. He stressed
that those goals were the parameters staff was working within. He expressed
hopes that this meeting would produce long term objectives and allow for
increased involvement and participation by the community. He noted that staff
was very excited to hear the Council's visions for the community. He suggested
that the goals should be attractive, attainable, clear, precise and present a sense of
purpose for the community. He noted that Information/Communications Manager
Dennis would be developing a list of the Council's visions and pursue further
discussions.
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Mayor Kelley noted that the Council had never been through this process of
brainstorming; however it was frequently done at the CAP Conference with a
focus on schools. She stressed that the visions should first be sorted out without
thinking of the money factors.
Councilwoman Brinley concurred that it was important to have a focus and goals,
but stresssed not setting goals that were unattainable.
Mayor Kelley indicated the there should be a recreational focus in the community,
with the Lake as a pivotal point.
Councilman Hickman concurred that there should be a focus on recreation around
the lake.
Mayor Kelley suggested bicycle trails, volleyball facilities, etc., around a stable
lake with reasonable water quality.
Councilwoman Brinley stressed the need for communication with the community
and suggested that it would be a good idea to hold town hall meetings to get
infortnation out to new residents. She commented that town hall meetings could
welcome new residents and provide useful information on the City. She noted a
recent issue involving a rumor about a lien in her neighborhood and the limited
understanding by the new residents. She suggested that town hall meetings would
open City Hall to the community, allow for citizen input and make the Council
more accessible.
Councilman Hickman commented that a positive image, clean city and
recreational city were important factors. Mayor Kelley noted that "clean city"
should include code enforcement to clean up issues such as signage.
Councilwoman Brinley noted the need to clean up the entryways.
Councilman Hickman thanked staff for arranging for shopping carts to be picked
up. Mayor Kelley noted that it would also be important to focus on aging areas of
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the community.
Councilwoman Brinley indicated that under Clean City Image, it was time to look
into the older areas and see where they could be assisted. She suggested a
rehabilitation program in connection with the NET program. She indicated that
the older section was looking really bad near the downtown area. She noted that
in some areas there were no curbs or gutters, and houses were boarded up. She
suggested that such a program might need to include incentives. She noted a
refrigerator sitting outside at Chaney/Sumner, which was accessible to children.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner commented that the only thing that set Lake Elsinore
apart from other cities was the Lake; and suggested that the primary concentration
should be to develop it into an adequate recreational center. He noted that the
Lake had been under control of private individuals, and no one did anything until
the City took it over and started working on it. He indicated that it was also
important to develop the retail sales base in the City, and while staff was working
hard on that issue, there was not much that could be done. He stressed that the
biggest push should be toward development of the Lake.
Councilman Buckley referred back to the secreational focus, and suggested the
inclusion of a Recreation and Tourism Citizens Board to generate ideas for the
stadium and special events and provide administrative assistance, if the park tax
was approved. He indicated that the Council, as part of a policy decision, should
be stating that the back basin is a recreational area, and the primary focus should
not be housing. He suggested that the Council should say up-front that it was not
interested in housing, but rather recreational uses. He stressed that new
development should compliment and not damage recreational uses; and
developers should realize that a City that focuses on recreation was not going to
sacrifice its long term potential for short term gain. Councilwoman Brinley
inquired if he was proposing no houses. Councilman Buckley indicated that there
should be wetlands, golf courses, habitat, motocross track, hotel/marina and light
industrial, with no large clumps of houses.
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Councilman Buckley commented that with regard to image the Town Hall
Meeting idea was good, but stressed that they were needed in areas other than
Tuscany Hills. Councilwoman Brinley clarified that her intent would be that
meetings be held where ever there were groups of new residents.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner questioned how best to proceed with this discussion of
ideas. Mayor Kelley suggested that Council lay out all of their ideas and see
where they are similar and where they are different, and work through the process.
Mayor Kelley indicated that there was a need to address transportation and keep
up with the population. She further indicated that it was important to rehabilitate
the existing transportation avenues.
Councilman Hickman suggested going back to the unique aspects by addressing
the outflow channel. He indicated that there was a need to develop the I-15
corridor with manufacturing and businesses. He suggested starting with
development of the outflow channel, as it would be a better revenue source than
the back basin. Councilman Buckley concurred, noting that it would be less
expensive initially to get the sales tax started.
Mayor Kelley noted that it was important to be sure that the parks were
maintained; and the user groups could keep up with their growth and be satisfied
with the fields. She stressed the quality of life issues needed for the citizens.
Councilman Hickman suggested development of a recreational center along the
outflow channel, which would cut down costs and allow for better management of
the facilities.
Councilwoman Brinley suggested stronger economic programs to promote
participation; and commented that there were a lot of small businesses that could
use some kind of economic stimulus. She further suggested developing venture
partnerships in addition to enhancement of the Economic Gardening Program.
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Mayor Kelley noted that it was hard to draw restaurants with Water District
requirements.
Councilwoman Brinley indicated that she was tired of hearing about changing the
City's image; and suggested that there was a need to clean up and landscape the
City's entry portals.
Councilman Hickman suggested the placement of the word "Incentives" under
more economic gardening.
City Manager Watenpaugh noted past discussions of relationships with other
public agencies. Councilwoman Brinley indicated that four or five years ago at a
Council orientation, there was discussion of doing quarterly meetings with the
Water District, School District, EDC, Rotary, etc. to sit down and have an open
discussion and throw out ideas; but noted that it never happened. She indicated
that there were a lot of good business groups and suggested meeting with the
businesses once a year to have a workshop or town hall meeting for their input on
possible stimuli.
City Manager Watenpaugh inquired if there was an interest in more public transit.
Councilwoman Brinley indicated that there was a need for more public transit and
noted that ridership had increased over the Christmas Holidays. She noted that it
was needed for kids to get to school, particularly the continuation high school for
which ridership was high.
City Manager Watenpaugh noted comments that the Council wanted the Stadium
more widely marketed to make it a very successful venue. Councilwoman
Brinley indicated that would fall under economic stimulus. She concurred that
there needed to be more activity at the Stadium. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner
commented that all of the concerts to date had been losers. Councilwoman
Brinley stressed that there was a need for something to be happening at the
Stadium; and suggested that the Council needed to think 'butside the box° and
promote the facility more.
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Mayor Kelley indicated that the neighborhoods needed some focus, as the new
development was light on greenery, trees, greenbelts and needed clean up by code
enforcement. City Manager Watenpaugh suggested that this might by addressed
with improved landscape requirements for new developments.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner suggested going back to the requirements for developers
to provide parks. Mayor Kelley suggested greenbelts as well. Mayor Pro Tem
Schiffner suggested that if the park bond was approved there would be money
available to maintain them.
City Manager Watenpaugh noted that there was a small group of art supporters,
and inquired if cultural arts and quality of life were areas of interest. Councilman
Hickman suggested drawing a junior college to the community to bring in those
types of activities. Councilwoman Brinley suggested contacting the junior
college to explore the possibility of a satellite college. She suggested broadening
the City's horizons and sending out letters to discuss the possibilities.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner commented that Mt. San Jacinto College had already
moved forward to buy land. Councilwoman Brinley suggested contacting the
Board directly, and noted other places where theaters had been converted into
classrooms for colleges. She stressed that there were several vacant buildings in
the area which could be marketed, such as K-Mart. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner
noted that in light of recent changes, there might be an opportunity to pursue more
options for the use of the K-Mart building.
City Manager Watenpaugh inquired if there was an interest in improved
relationships with the media, traffic corridors or senior services.
Councilwoman Brinley indicated that funding for the senior center would be
coming under heavy discussion, and suggested that there was a need to work more
closely with Mr. Buster to address the County residents utilizing the Senior
Center. She suggested that the County also had responsibility on water quality,
water issues and patrol of the Lake.
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Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner concurred that the County should share in the total costs
of the Lake. Councilwoman Brinley indicated that it was important to have Mr.
Buster come in and look at what the City supports, so he could provide County
money for maintenance, patrolling of the Lake, etc. She further indicated that he
should look at the Community Services offered and go back to parks and sports
users, as a lot of County residents use the City's parks. She stressed that Mr.
Buster needed to provide assistance because his responsibilities were being
covered by Lake Elsinore; but noted that keeping track of County participants in
programs was too difficult. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner concurred, but noted it
might be difficult to get Mr. Buster to concur. Councilwoman Brinley stressed
that Supervisor Buster also represented the City. Councilman Hickman suggested
making County residents pay far the services. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner clarified
that they were already paying. Councilwoman Brinley suggested a town hall
meeting with Mr. Buster invited to address park issues; so he could hear the
comments of the residents.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner noted the shifting of supervisorial districts and
suggested that when Mr. Buster was no longer responsible for Murrieta and
Temecula, he should be asked to establish a local office. Councilman Buckley
indicated that in addition to his small office at the Sheriffs facility, he would be
moving into the City in the next few months. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner suggested
that with a local office and representative, it would make it easier for residents to
contact him.
Councilwoman Brinley commented that the City didn't have deep pockets any
more, so the County needed to step up and help with the cost. She again
suggested a town hall meeting, with City residents and Mr. Buster, to allow for
discussion about the Lake and Parks.
Mayor Kelley suggested "Quality of Life Issues " as a topic on the list with
Libraries, Parks, Water Quality and Cultural Events listed under it.
Councilwoman Brinley suggested that it was time to start partnering with the
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State, County or another City to create economic development growth, as this
would allow for sharing of the associated burdens.
Councilman Hickman suggested drawing a TGI Fridays to the Stadium. Mayor
Pro Tem Schiffner noted that there had been talk of building another facility at the
Stadium. Mayor Kelley noted that the kitchen at the Stadium was set up for
catering, and not a full restaurant. Councilwoman Brinley commented that about
five years ago, TMC wanted to bring in TGI Fridays, but they would have had to
renovate the facility, which would require a longer lease to defray the costs.
City Manager Watenpaugh inquired if there was an interest in development of the
Country Club Heights area with upscale homes., Mayor Kelley suggested this
might be an area to be addressed by viewshed ordinance. Councilman Buckley
concurred and suggested that such an ordinance should cover the whole City to
prevent another situation like Lusk Homes. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner indicated
- that private enterprises or individuals would have to develop the Country Club
Heights area. Councilman Buckley suggested that the City could make it easier to
put lots together with an overlay ordinance, etc., and by allowing wastewater
treatment on an individual basis. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner noted that since the
roads in the area were paved he was aware of two new houses being built.
Councilwoman Brinley questioned how may lots would need to be merged to
build homes in the area. Community Development Director Brady indicated that
it would depend on thelots, as there was really not an"average" lot; but in order
to provide a sanitation system it might be necessary to assemble four or five lots.
He stressed that they were very small lots. Councilwoman Brinley inquired if it
would be better to accomplish development under a specific plan. Community
Development Director Brady indicated that was the intent of this meeting to see
what the Council's vision for the area would be; and noted that it presented good
opportunities for an overlay ordinance or specific plan. He indicated that if it was
the Council's goal to have the area developed, staff could provide options on how
to accomplish it. Councilwoman Brinley suggested that Country Club Heights
could be the elite area of Lake Elsinore, due to its proximity to the Lake. She
suggested having staff come back with a possible specific plan. Mayor Pro Tem
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Schiffner commented that to make anything work, it would be necessary to have
the right of condemnation, as the RDA would have to buy them through
condexnnation. He concurred that developing those areas would be a worthwhile
goal. Councilwoman Brinley indicated that she would like to see staff come back
with a proposal for that area by the end of this year or the first of next year; and
noted the special requirements for the area, and the difficulty with sewer service
and odd shaped lots.
Councilman Buckley indicated that he did not envision a specific plan, as he
believed it would be ill served. He explained that he really saw the area as a place
for people to come in and build their dream homes, and stressed the uniqueness of
the area and the potential for individuality of homes. He indicated that sewer was
not necessary in that area and noted that a specific plan for the area should not cost
the City a dime. City Manager Watenpaugh noted that a variety of ideas had been
listed, but indicated that staff was looking for a vision of the majority of the
Council. He explained that while the issues and suggestions were legitimate, if
the bottom line was that they wanted to see the area developed, staff could bring
back options. Councilwoman Brinley noted the special problems of the area, and
suggested if it was specifically planned, the developer would have to deal with the
issues. Community Development Director Brady indicated that he would not see
a merchant developer coming in to develop the area, and noted the discussion of
custom homes. He fiirther indicated that he concurred with custom homes far the
area and staff could develop standards for whatever the Council wanted in the
area. Councilwoman Brinley stressed the need for am overlay program in the area.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner indicated that he would like to see the area developed
with custom homes, but it was up to the staff to look at facilitating that kind of
development.
Mayor Kelley indicated that the City was lacking quality apartments buildings to
serve the growing population. She noted that some of the existing apartments
have fallen into disrepair. City Manager Watenpaugh suggested that it might be a
goal to provide more multi-family and affordable housing.
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COUNCILMAN BUCKLEY LEFT THE MEETING AT 2:56 P.M.
Recreation & Tourism Manager indicated that the City was lacking activities for
Elementary and Middle School Students, and stressed the need for after school
programs. She noted the number of homes in which both parents work and there
was nothing for the kids to do.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner indicated that there was a need for a better system of
transportation around the community. Councilwoman Brinley indicated that the
bus was currently going to the Community Center about every 30 minutes, and
some of the kids were using it. She commented that she was also working with
RTA to address transportation to the Skatepark. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner
suggested that the use of the smaller buses was more effective and could provide
better service for the kids.
Recreation & Tourism Manager Edelbrock noted that when staff inet with United
Way to assess local needs, one issue was affordable health care in the City, as
many people were going out of town for medical treatment. Councilman
Hickman suggested making the K-Mart building into a medical area. City
Manager Watenpaugh noted that part of the issue with that proposal was that it
would be getting rid of retail facilities for non-revenue producing operations.
Councilwoman Brinley concurred with the need for a health center and the
importance of revitalizing areas that were not doing well. She suggested using the
old Sav-on facility for an Urgent Care facility, noting that it would help draw
walk-in traffic to retail centers.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner indicated that more facilities would come with
additional rooftops and increased demand. Councilwoman Brinley concurred that
this was true to a point, but expressed concern with the waiting time for health
care. City Treasurer Ferro concurred that rooftops were a problem for drawing
new facilities, and noted that a friend of his does medical development and was
looking in Lake Elsinore. He indicated that his friend would not look at Sav-on,
but would look in the vicinity of Railroad Canyon Road and Canyon Hills Drive,
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because it would draw from Canyon Hills, Tuscany Hills and Canyon Lake. He
explained that the issue was having enough people with medical plans in the
vicinity; but noted that there was already low cost medical offices everywhere.
COUNCILMAN BUCKLEY RETURNED TO THE MEETING AT 3:04 P.M.
City Treasurer Ferro explained that individual doctors, generally would not build
their own medical facilities. Recreation & Tourism Manager Edelbrock stressed
the need far HMO facilities in the Community, as there were no services for
normal families. City Treasurer Ferro stressed the number needed to draw
facilities and stressed the interest in placing them in growth areas like Canyon
Hills. Councilwoman Brinley inquired if the preference would be to build
businesses out of the downtown area. City Treasurer Ferro supported business in
downtown, but indicated that there was no reason for a medical building
downtown. Mayor Kelley noted that medical facilities were generally found in
clusters.
Councilman Hickman questioned the airport and what could be done around it.
Mayor Kelley commented that it was within the back basin recreation area. City
Manager Watenpaugh noted that the Council's past direction was to retain the
airport. City Attorney Leibold concurred and noted that the direction included
limited growth and changes. City Manager Watenpaugh commented that it was
up to the Council to provide xhe vision, but assumed that the priorities included
saving the air thermals and activities, which could all be worked into the overall
recreation master plan.
Councilman Hickman suggested moving the post office downtown, across from
the Cultural Center, noting that it was outgrowing its current location, and
suggesting that downtown was a better location. Councilwoman Brinley
concurred, noting that this idea had been kicked around. Mayor Pro Tem
Schiffner commented that there were generally long lines at the post office, but
many times only one or two counters were staffed and operating.
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Councilman Hickman inquired what the City's strongest industry was. Mayor
Kelley indicated that it was recreation, noting businesses such as Mastercraft.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner suggested encouraging someone to build a hotel in
town, because attracting people to the community does no good, if there is no
place for them to stay. Councilman Hickman noted that development of the
outflow channel would stimulate tourism.
Assistant City Manager Best indicated that there were a variety of clusters of
businesses, including tool and dye, technology companies, aerospace related
businesses, woodworking businesses, companies associated with auto parts and
after market accessories.
Councilman Hickman inquired if the I-15 corridor was reserved for auto centers.
City Manager Watenpaugh noted that.the zoning was in place, and staff would be
meeting with Mr. Kennedy again next week. He distributed a client list of the
economic gardening efforts. Assistant City Manager Best suggested that another
element to consider was the growth of technology, which will continue to change;
and stressed the importance of making sure the proper infrastructure was in the
community. Councilman Hickman suggested establishing an area for computer
businesses and marketing it to that industry; and stressed the need for high-tech
businesses along the freeway. He suggested picking one or two industries for
focused efforts. Councilwoman Brinley noted the list of economic gardening
clients and suggested that there were quite a few which could be targeted to open
up the job market and create more business. Councilman Hickman noted that
Labeda was a large employer and suggested working with them to help them
expand and do marketing.
Councilwoman Brinley inquired how International Auto Crafters was doing. Staff
indicated that they were doing very well and looking at expansion and increased
marketing. Councilwoman Brinley concurred with the need to partner to bring in
more of a specific type of business into the community and creating a job base.
Assistant City Manager Best suggested the goal of building a diversified job pool.
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Community Development Director Brady inquired with regard to the Council's
vision 18-20 years out and whether it was desirable to be considered a commuter
town, or to have higher paid jobs and higher end housing. Councilwoman Brinely
noted the traffic problems on the 91 freeway and indicated that until there was
adequate rapid transit, it was important to pursue less travel time to work. Mayar
Kelley commented on the proposed freeway from Orange County to somewhere
near Lake Elsinore. City Manager Watenpaugh indicated that the connector to
Orange County might be something that will happen in the future, however the
BIA had put the County on the spot and questioned how the discussion started.
He explained that there was limited support for the road.
Councilwoman Brinley indicated that she would like to create more businesses
and the related housing to support them. Councilman Hickman suggested looking
to China for Economic Development, and noted that high tech was available from
China. City Treasurer Ferro noted that he had been working with connections to
China, but there was limited interest. He addressed high tech, nothing that it
meant many things, but expressed concern with becoming a single industry town
that would someday go out of operation. He noted the areas that have been
littered with empty towns, and stressed that no one could predict 20 years out. He
suggested that the model City in his mind was Irvine, because they were totally
diversified. He suggested not limiting the industries being sought, but instead
draw cores in several areas to balance the up and down trends in the industries.
Councilwoman Brinley concurred with the need for diversification, and stressed
the need to change from a bedroom town to one with jobs that will help to relieve
traffic problems.
Councilman Hickman suggested establishing an international free trade zone.
City Treasurer Ferro indicated that this was a touchy issues, and stressed the need
to work with State and Federal agencies to facilitate such a zone.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner commented that there were a lot of good ideas
presented, but many of them were out of the City's realm. He indicated that he
would like to see someone come up with a way to achieve the goals.
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City Manager Watenpaugh reiterated that it was the intent of this meeting to find
out the Council's vision of the community. He explained that staff could bring a
lot of ideas, but before allocating resources, it was necessary to know the
Council's priorities. He noted that staff had worked with the international trade
zone in the past, and indicated that staff could bring a report.
Mayor Kelley requested that each Councilmember provide their vision for the
City's basic reality.
Councilwoman Brinley indicated that her wish list would be better public service,
police and fire; improved communication with the community and increased
input; control of the crime element and increase raids to clean up problems;
recreational services and after school programs, and economic development. She
also indicated that she would like the RDA to use the available resources she
learned of in Monterey, and suggested that the RDA did not need a lot of money,
but had the tools and could serve as a conduit.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner indicated that his most important issues were to develop
water related recreation and tourist housing and lake related issues. He stressed
that the Lake was the City's unique element that other cities did not have; and
reiterated that it was the most important element. He also supported increased
economic development.
Councilman Buckley indicated that he would like to see community involvement
through a recreation/tourism advisory board, a public safety advisory board, and a
RDA and finance board. He advised that with regard to land use issues, he would
like to see continued support far growth of the forest, larger lot sizes, more open
and green spaces, a policy decision to set aside the back basin for recreation, a
Country Club Heights overlay, a viewshed ordinance, assistance with remodeling
of homes downtown, a temporary fix for the traffic on Railroad Canyon Road, a
citywide paving schedule, and a new lake management compact involving all
parties and the stakeholders.
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Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner commented that although money was not being
discussed, he recently heard an estimate that to put 2-1/2 feet of water in the Lake
and maintain it for one year would cost $10 million. City Manager Watenpaugh
confirmed, noting that the City had received a letter this morning on the volume
required and cost to maintain it. He noted that he would provide the Council
with copies of that letter, and that the matter would probably be discussed in
relationship to the litigation at the next Council meeting.
Councilman Hickman indicated that he would like a positive image, clean city,
with an emphasis on recreation and tourism. He expressed hopes that the existing
facilities like baseball fields could be used to sponsor tournaments, like the High
School World Series. He also expressed support for development of the outflow
channel, the I-15 corridor and seeking the County's fair share of costs.
Councilwoman Brinley supported getting fair dollars from the County.
Councilman Hickman commented that if the City was a recreational-tourist center,
people would bring in their money and leave, and stressed that the City should
utilize its facilities for sports tournaments. He indicated that there was also a need
for something for the teenagers to do after school. Mayor Kelley noted that this
issue was discussed every year at the CAP Conference.
Mayor Kelley indicated that she would envision the basic provision of mandated
services; improving the lake edge and its recreational aspects; economic
development; code enforcement to clean up neighborhoods, business districts and
signage; new development and more open space and trees; and communication
with the community. She noted that the town hall meetings fell by the wayside,
but were necessary.
Councilman Hickman suggested hosting a community forum with the businesses
to see what they really want and what types of incentives would be helpful.
Councilwoman Brinley suggested working with the older neighborhoods to help
clean up the downtown areas, particularly the two portal entries to the area.
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Councilman Buckley suggested the use of condemnation for houses which were
consistent problems, such as areas on Graham Street. He noted concerns for
abatement of boarded up houses. He inquired if abatement started over when
properties were sold. Mayor Kelley clarified the noticing requirements. City
Attorney Leibold inquired if the Council would prefer more of an incentive
program or carrying a big stick, or a combination of both.
Councilman Buckley suggested enforcement, abatement and humiliation, noting
that humiliation is free. He explained that it was public record who owned a
particular property and the City could make it clear who the problem owners were.
City Manager Watenpaugh indicated that if it was a goal or objective to do so,
staff would bring back options. Councilman Buckley suggested reading a list of
names, addresses and phone numbers at Council meetings, so others could call
them where they live to complain, and the property owners would get tired of
dealing with the issues. There was general Council discussion of the problems of
enforcement and abatement and the related legal ramifications.
Assistant City Manager Best addressed the elements of communication with the
public and inquired if there was an intent to help develop more community leaders
by increasing participation. Councilwoman Brinley stressed better
communication with the public. Mayor Kelley questioned if the intent was just to
keep the public informed. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner questioned further discussion
of the issues presented. City Manager Watenpaugh explained that the intent was
to group the issues discussed.
Councilman Hickman stressed the importance of community communications; and
suggested establishing a committee to police the City and bring issues to the
Council. He reiterated the need for more committees to allow for citizen
feedback.
Mayor Kelley inquired if abatement was one of Councilman Buckley's public
safety issues.
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Councilman Buckley indicated that with regard to public safety there should be a
permanent advisory board.
Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner noted since they were discussing items without
reference to cost, there would ultimately be things that could not be done, and
those would need to be weeded out.
Mayor Kelley noted that a lot of the suggestions take staff time but would not be
terribly costly. She suggested that a lot of them could be implemented pretty
easily.
Councilman Buckley suggested a welcoming packet for new Lake Elsinore
residents, including information on community issues, Mello-Roos, etc. He
suggested that it could be provided through the real estate agents and at model
home offices. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner noted that an extensive packet was
already being prepared for the realtors. Councilwoman Brinley indicated that as
the City builds out, it would not hurt to hold town hall meetings to introducae the
new residents to the City and its processes. Mayor Kelley inquired if this process
were implemented immediately, where it should start. Councilwoman Brinley
suggested starting with Granite Homes since it was being finished and there were
only two homes remaining for sale. Mayor Pro Tem Schiffner indicated that town
hall meetings were great, but so few people attended the initial ones, the others
were not held. Councilwoman Brinley indicated that the Crranite area would draw
a lot of people. Councilman Hickman noted that Tuscany Hills had a welcoming
committee, and suggested that the City send a packet to each new resident telling
them about the permit processes, eta Councilwoman Brinley indicated that she
would like to let the new residents know that the Council was accessible. She
suggested including staff in those meetings to respond to questions; and stressed
that town hall meetings were effective. Assistant City Manager Best noted that
town hall meetings generally had a very forxnal format and suggested other types
of community participation like coffees in various neighborhoods, which would be
more informal. City Treasurer Ferro concurred with the coffee approach noting
that they might be easier to schedule. Councilwoman Brinley expressed
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agreement with the newsletter idea to get the information out. Mayor Pro Tem
Schiffner suggested that the City's Communications Manager could set up
meetings and get the word out. Councilman Hickman reiterated that there should
be a welcome letter.
Mayor Kelley noted that staff would use the issues presented to formulate goals
and objectives. City Manager Watenpaugh indicated that staff would roll the
comments into priorities and visions statements and look at ways to implement the
changes for Council consideration. Mayor Kelley noted that the ne~ step was to
work on the budget and address policy. City Manager Watenpaugh suggested that
there might be a need to look at the whole policy manual and consider codifying
some of the policies. He suggested scheduling a series of study sessions, noting
that the goal setting session for the RDA and discussion of LEAF was already
scheduled for Thursday. He further suggested a separate study session on
policies.
City Manager Watenpaugh inquired about the best timing for study sessions.
Mayor Kelley noted that she would be back to school on the 25~' of March, and
Thursdays were not good. It was determined that alternate Tuesdays from 3 to 5
p.m. would be the best timing for Study Session. City Manager Watenpaugh
indicated that he would put together a list of topics and discuss the timing with the
Mayor and Redevelopment Agency Chair. He thanked the Council far their input
and indicated that staff would put it together and work on options. Mayor Kelley
noted that a lot of good ideas were presented for implementation which were not
costly. City Manager Watenpaugh reiterated that staff would work on a mission
statement and goals to share with the Council and community. Councilman
Buckley indicated that he would not approve of paying a dime for a professional
facilitator.
This meeting resulted in the following list of goals and issues to be addressed:
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• Recreational Focus
• Lake as pivot point
• Levee as recreational focus
• Amenities azound lake
• Stadium: enhance activities/use
• Create Recreation/Tourism boazd
(citizen involvement)
• Advise on Stadium options
• Park planning assistance if pazk tax is passed
• Town Halls (broad approach)
• Rumor control
• Lien, t~es, etc.
• New residents/outreach
• Introduce city by going into community
• Proactive vs. reactive approach
• Council recognition
• Back basin as recreational land use (policy)
• Ensure compatibility of recreation and development (e.g., hang gliding, motocross, air sports)
• City Image
• Keeping a Clean city
• Code Enfarcement attention
• Trash, other violations
• Recreation spot
• Positive
• Portals
• Attention on old parts of City
• NET
• Rehabilitation activities
• Board-ups
• Lack of curbs or sidewalks
• We're Unique because of Lake
• Recreation opporhxnities
• Don't compromise this distinction
• Outflow channel trail/pedestrian amenities
• Transportation Needs
• Just keeping up with demand
• Maintenancehestoration
• I/15 corridor significant
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• Expand public transportation around town
• Parks
• Demand vs. adequate maintenance
. Equity among users: County benefits from our facilities
• Park help from County
• Quality of Life for residents
• Quality of Life issues
• Parks
• Libraries
• Water Quality in Lake
• Cultural Events
• Viewshed Ordinance Protection
• Economic Programs
• Need mare
• Proactive
• Incentives for businesses
• Sma11 and large business opportunities
• Economic Gardening promotion
• Restaurant "hook up" costs (water & sewer) high
• Reducing stadium "drag" on City
• Creative solutions for stadium ops
• Sell stadium
• Attract more high quality restaurants
• International Trade Zone opportunities
• Outside Agency Relations
• Improving cooperative efforts
• Cultivating joint meetings/goals with neighboring agencies
• Partnering (City can't do it alone)
• Meet with Supervisor Buster/improve relationship
• Neighborhoods
• Increased landscape requirements for new development
• Provision of parks
• Uses of idle land for pazks
• Cultural Arts
• Junior College attractto area
• Contact Board of Trustees (MSJC)
• Use of vacant facilities (theater)
• Use of K-mart facility
• Media relations
• Senior Services
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• Future funding sources
• County support (increase share)
• Work with Supervisor Buster
• Water Quality/Lake Benefit
• County support/benefit
• Supervisor Buster
• County Supervisor issues
• Boundary change impacts
• Support far City programs/facilities that benefit County
• Country Club Heights Development
• Incentives for individual development
• Views
• Overlay District to pay for special considerations (home wastewater treatment technology vs.
sanitary sewer system cost)
• Lot consolidation
• Type of development preferred? Individual owners vs. "developer projects"
• Once considered the "elite" location in town
• Condemnation to assemble lots (politicat will to do)
• Specific Plan for this area (consider eactraordinary conditions), or not?
• Custom housing "best fit" with land topography
• Housing
• AfFordability
• Multi-family
• Kids as Constituents
• Need to bring after-school programs/services back to higher service levels of the past
• After-school programs highly needed
• Health Care Services
• Attract more medical care providers
• Needs assessment shows high demand
• Riverside Dr., Grape St., RR Cyn. Rd. as possible locations
• Driven by population/clusters
• Lack of HMO physicians in proximity to pop.
• General Plan Update
• Overdue
• Fits changing assuxnptions about habitaUland use, community development
• Airport
• Compatible with back basin use
• Preserve airport
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• LE Post Office
• Adequate for future?
• Possible locations for expansion
• Hotels/Lodging Needs
• Underserved
• New & Existing Technologies
• Wireless Internet
• Aerospace/defense
• Tooling
• Foamworks/Totally Themed segment
• Mfr
• Electronics
• Afrermarket auto parts
. Attracting computer and high tech industries
•"pick an industry" to tazget for attraction
• Helping Labeda-Int'1 ties (County)
• International autocrafters (expansion imminent) has ops in Mo Valley
• Diversified job/business base
• Irvine model
• Auto Center Growth
• I-15 corridor preferred development
• Getting more dealerships in town
• Commuter Issues
• LE as "bedroom" community
• Attracting jobs to area/good planning
• 91 as "pazking loY'
• Support future fwy corridor nearby
• How to Accomplish the Above?
• Priorities: Brinley
• Better public service
• Helping the older parts of town/neighborhoods
• Attractive Portals
• Communicating better with community
• Explain City requirements/services
• Town Hall meetings
• Outreach
• More crime sweeps
• Stay on top of recreation programs
• Economic development as a priority
• RDA resources
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• Priorities: Schiffner
• Develop water related recreation
• Puts us ahead of other Cities
• Economic development
• Priorities: Buckley
• Recreation/Tourism Boazd
• Public Safety
• Public Safety Advisory Board
• Appointed reps from community groups
• Solve recurring problems (buildings, boazd ups, renovations) w/ incentive approaches
• Publicize owners of boazd-ups as a disincentive to blight
• Review Codes to see how far we can "push"
• RDA/Finance Board
• Land Use Issues
• Encouraging growth
• Larger lot sizes
• Green and open space
• Overlay Dist: County Club Hts
• Viewshed Ordinance
• Assisting downtown remodel
• Services
• New homeowner welcome kit
• City produced pamphlets on CFD and other topics
• Printed info for realtors, brokers, sales offices
• Traffic
• RR Cyn Rd improvements
• Citywide paving management schedule
• New Lake Management Compact
• Stakeholders involved including County
• Costs, responsibilities, benefits
.($10 million est. cost to maintain lake @ 1240')
• Priorities: Hickman
• Positive Image
• Neighborhood outreach/participation (committees)
• Network with Businesses to find out what they want
• Clean City a priority
• Teen recreation/activities
• Recreation/Tourism
• Increase use of existing facilities
• Bring Tournaments to area
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• Attract outside users
• Outflow amenities
• I-15 corridor opportunities
• Encourage County to pay fair share
• Priorities: Mayor
• Lake edge improvement
• Recreational plan for lake
• Econ Dev.
• Code Enforcement
• Keep neighborhoods clean
• Signage enforcement
• New development
• More open space
• Landscape requirements
• Communication w/ Community
• Town Halls
• Communication Strategies
• Newsletter, web, speakers bureau, neighborhood meetings, committees
• Outreach efforts
• Coffees
• Town Halls
• Multiple locations
. Target new neighborhoods
• Tie in with existing welcoming committees (HOA)
• Communication Messages
• City Hall is accessible
• Permit requirements
ADJOURNMENT
The City Council Study Session was adjourned at 3:55 p.m.
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