HomeMy WebLinkAbout02-05-2013 NAH (2)CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING
MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 5, 2013
CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Morsch called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Jordan led the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chairman Morsch
Vice Chairman O'Neal
Commissioner Blake
Commissioner Gray
Commissioner Jordan
Absent: None
Also present: Acting Planning Manager MacHott, Public Works Director
Seumalo, City Attorney Leibold, Planning Consultant Coury, and Office Specialist
Herrington.
PUBLIC COMMENTS — NON AGENDIZED ITEMS — 3 MINUTES
Chairman Morsch stated that Ms. Denni Horn would be doing a presentation on
behalf of Assemblywoman Melissa Melendez.
Ms. Horn stated that on behalf of Assemblywoman Melissa Melendez, she was
presenting a Certificate of Recognition to John Clinton Gray for publishing his
Memoir "Gift of Seeds ". Commissioner Gray stated that the book is titled "Gift of
Seeds" which is a collection of true stories, memoirs, and essays. He stated that
it took three years to write and he appreciates Councilwoman Melendez's
recognition. He also stated that "Gift of Seeds" is available on Amazon.com, and
in Kindle format.
CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM(S)
1. Minutes for the following Planning Commission meeting(s)
• December 18, 2012
Motion by Commissioner Jordan and seconded by Commissioner Gray, to
approve the Planning Commission Minutes of December 18, 2012; with revision
to page 4 of 10, last paragraph, change Section 4308 to Section 84308; revision
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to page 7 of 10, 2nd paragraph, delete the partial sentence, "This mining CUP.';
revision to page 9 of 10 to state that Commissioner Gray had a book published
and is available on createspace.com; motion passed 5 -0.
PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS)
2. Residential Design Review No. 2012 -05 — A request by Pardee Homes for
approval of building designs for 78 single - family detached residential
condominium units and related improvements, for a housing project
located within Planning Area 36 of Canyon Hills Specific Plan (Living
Smart Parkside)
Recommendation:
It is recommended that the Planning Commission adopt a resolution
making findings that the project is exempt from the MSHCP, and a
resolution approving Residential Design Review No. 2012 -05, for the
Living Smart Parkside Condominium Community based on the Findings,
Exhibits and Conditions of Approval attached to the staff report.
Chairman Morsch stated that he was recusing himself, under Government Code
Section 84308, relating to the project.
Vice Chairman O'Neal stated that in the years 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012,
Pardee Homes has continued the construction of houses, even during the
recession, and asked how many homes have they sold. Mr. Holman stated that
they sold over 300 homes and should get better, as the economy gets better.
Commissioner Blake stated that the project is a natural continuation of the work
that they have done and likes some of the features such as solar panels, low
irrigation landscaping, etc. He asked what the current price point is in terms of
sales. Mr. Holman stated that the price point is from just below $200,000 to just
over $200,000.
Commissioner Blake stated that he drove on Canyon Hills Road during high
traffic times and asked what the long -term plans are for the intersection which is
located at the 15 Freeway and Railroad Canyon Road. Public Works Director
Seumalo stated that there is an interchange concept on the books at Franklin
and an environmental process needs to be completed. He also stated that there
is TUMF funding available. Several public hearings will be required, and the cost
is estimated at $72 million. He indicated that staff is looking for grants but will
continue to move forward for the Tiger Grants.
Commissioner Gray stated that he concurs with Commissioner Blake's positive
comments and is glad to see the expansion of a very successful project.
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Commissioner Jordan stated that she noticed that the site plan doesn't have all of
the dimensions and wanted to know why. Planning Consultant Coury stated that
there is a typical but since it's a condominium project all the usual lot dimensions
are not applicable. Mr. Holman stated that they have a portion of the first five
slopes, and the rest of the slopes flip to the Home Owners Association.
Commissioner Jordan stated that it was hard to determine on the landscape
plans whether there will be tree planted on the slope, and if so, will it be Brisbane
box trees, and not just shrubs. Mr. Holman stated that there are existing trees on
the hillside and on Canyon Hills Road.
Commissioner Jordan stated the following regarding the Conditions of Approval.
She stated that she is really glad that the condominiums are selling and that
Pardee Homes is doing so well. She also stated that she really likes the
community.
• Conditions 18 through 61 are duplicates of Conditions 150 through
177.
• Condition No. 103 "The terminus of Private Driveways A, B & C
shall include sufficient turnarounds for emergency vehicles" — Didn't
see any private drives A, B, & C. Public Works Director Seumalo
stated that it only applies to the terminus of private drive N that
dead ends into the existing park.
• Delete Condition No. 83
• Condition No. 136 is not clear "As -built plans for all approved plan
sets shall be submitted for review and approval by the City. The
developer /owner is responsible for revising the original mylar plans.
Once the original mylar plans have been approved, the developer
shall provide the City with a CD /DVD of the "as built" plans in .tif
format."
Motion by Vice Chairman O'Neal and seconded by Commissioner Jordan to
approve Resolution No. 2012 -43, a Resolution of the Planning Commission of
the City of Lake Elsinore, California, adopting findings that the project is exempt
from the Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan (MSHCP), with revisions as
stated above; Motion passed 4 -0.
Motion by Commissioner Jordan and seconded by Commissioner Blake to
approve Resolution No. 2013 -44; a Resolution of the Planning Commission of
the City of Lake Elsinore, California, approving Residential Design Review No.
2012 -05, with revisions as stated above; Motion passed 4 -0.
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6. WYROC Mining Operation Review
Recommendation:
Receive and file.
Public Works Director Seumalo stated that at the last Planning Commission
meeting, the Commission asked Jeff Halloran, President of WYROC, to provide
information with regards to several questions that they had related to screening
his project.
Mr. Halloran presented a PowerPoint presentation regarding his plans to screen
views of his project from Lake Street and the Interstate 15 freeway. He
explained that the most common screening used is Himalayan bamboo. He
indicated that they already prepared a ditch for the planting of the bamboo and
after talking to the grower, the best time to plant the bamboo is no earlier than
the end of February/early March in order to avoid freezes. The plants will go in at
12 to 15 feet in height and will grow around 50 percent the first year. In the
second year the bamboo would grow to approximately 40 feet and fill in, and the
growth will screen the stockpiling.
Commissioner Blake asked if the bamboo is sellable and how high will it grow.
Mr. Halloran stated that gardens sell it and it will grow up to 50 feet.
Commissioner Blake asked what will happen to the mining part of the project.
Mr. Halloran stated that they hope that within the next 12 to 18 months, they will
begin mining to the final reclamation and which will last nine months to one year,
and then will sell the property to a developer.
Commissioner Gray asked if the Himalayan Bamboo was recommended by the
nursery. Mr. Halloran stated yes.
Vice Chairman O'Neal stated that bamboo grows rapidly and noted that it is not
native to the City and is very invasive which could be a problem but if the City
decides to go down that path, the screening will work. He stated that before
anything is done, he would like to see the $40,000 dollars that is owed to the
City, paid by Mr. Halloran. Public Works Director Seumalo stated that staff is
working with Mr. Halloran to take care of this and Mr. Halloran has been
responsive to the notices of violation on the site. Vice Chairman O'Neal also
stated that there is no CUP and suggested that the Planning Commission and
staff work together to create a CUP for the recycling facility.
Vice Chairman O'Neal indicated that he has no intension of shutting this down
before 2015 because the City has approved this. However, after 2015, the
Planning Commission, City Council, and the City Manager need to discuss the
direction of the project, and what the City would like to pursue. Vice Chairman
O'Neal stated that he would like to see the entire area developed as something
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that the City can be proud of. Vice Chairman O'Neal asked if the billboard is
coming down. Mr. Halloran stated that he expects it to come down in March.
Mr. Halloran stated that after they are done with the project, he will remove the
bamboo and doesn't think it will be an issue.
Chairman Morsch thanked Mr. Halloran for the site visit. He asked how much
material they are importing for the recycling business. Mr. Halloran stated that
they had about 4,000 tons.
Chairman Morsch asked regarding the Interim Management Plan (IMP) and
asked if there is any evidence of written approval that granted the recycling
operation. Planning Manager MacHott stated that he hasn't located any
information that granted the City approval through the planning process for
recycling. City Attorney Leibold stated that other than the reference to the
recycling activity in the IMP, part of the operation, while idle; includes crushing
and processing of stockpiled materials for both recycled and mined materials, on
site.
Chairman Morsch asked if the reference made in the 2005 IMP grants the use of
a recycling operation on the mine site. City Attorney Leibold stated it does grant
the use of recycling within the IMP and noted that staff needs to do some
additional fact finding and report back to the Planning Commission on this issue
with regards to the extent of the non - conforming or permitted use.
Chairman Morch stated that he thinks the Planning Commission should require a
CUP for this use and put it on the coattails of the review for the IMP and he
would like to see this come before the Planning Commission. City Attorney
Leibold stated that staff can look at the existing procedure.
Ronnette Earle, resident of the City, asked if the City is paying for this. Public
Works Director Seumalo stated that the applicant will be paying for and installing
it and noted that one of the conditions of mining is putting up financial security, in
the event that reclamation is not completed.
Chairman Morsch asked if Mr. Halloran has purchased the bamboo and has he
gotten proposals for installation. Mr. Halloran stated that he ordered the bamboo
from the grower and he would be installing it in approximately one month.
Chairman Morsch asked Mr. Halloran if he looked into other types of screening.
Mr. Halloran stated that the grower said that the bamboo is the best and quickest
way with the most satisfactory results. Vice Chairman O'Neal reiterated that the
bamboo is invasive and suggested consulting someone before it goes in.
Mr. Halloran suggested bringing his grower /consultant before the Planning
Commission to explain the growth of this plant.
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Chairman Morsch asked if Mr. Halloran has any intensions of pulling down the
billboard sign. Mr. Halloran stated that he intends on taking it down by March 31a
Commissioner Blake requested clarification on whether the project requires a
CUP. Public Works Director Seumalo clarified with regards to the IMP. The
mine permit remains active under IMP but the recycling activity may also be a
land use issue.
Vice Chairman O'Neal emphasized that it is a land use, therefore, it requires a
CUP, and indicated that any business that can go in and out that gets a CUP and
is a non - issue. Public Works Director Seumalo stated that the CUP may have a
different shelf life than the IMP and explained the restrictions regarding the IMP.
Chairman Morsch stated that he has a problem with the conditions in the IMP
that say nothing about a recycling operation. Also, he indicated that there are no
conditions regarding trucks coming onto the site, materials, etc., as opposed to a
mine.
Mr. Halloran stated that he is ready to install the bamboo, and noted that the
trench is dug and he wants to move forward but if this is going to get thrown
away, he feels he is on unstable ground and requested clarification from the
Commission. Chairman Morsch stated that the City can't require him to do this
because they don't have any authority regarding what is already under the
Reclamation Plan and Mr. Halloran does have approval on the Reclamation Plan
and the IMP until 2015. Therefore, if the Commission wants to change the
Conditions, they would have to wait until 2015.
Mr. Halloran asked if his concerns are justified. Chairman Morsch stated that it is
up to staff to make that decision and to present to the Planning Commission. Mr.
Halloran stated that he hopes that the Commission understands that digging the
trench wasn't done without considerable expense and was not required by the
City. He reiterated that the trenches are already dug and the bamboo is ready to
plant and he doesn't need a mandate from the City. He indicated that he is leery
to go through the expense of planting the bamboo if he has to shut down the
operation.
Commissioner Blake stated that the Commission doesn't want to put a business
applicant in this position, not having clear direction from Planning as to what
steps to go through. Chairman Morsch stated that it is not fair to other
businesses that have gone through the CUP requirements if it's determined that
a CUP is required. Mr. Halloran stated that this was part of the vested rights for
the whole community and requested that there be some type of a letter
agreement between him and the City.
City Attorney Leibold stated that there are a number of facts that need to be
clarified and staff can work with Mr. Halloran and provide a recommendation with
respect to the proper protocols. The recycling was anticipated as part of the IMP,
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understanding that it has been an on -going operation since 1995. There are
issues because of the application of the mining use that are different than
independent recycling businesses.
Commissioner Jordan stated that Mr. Halloran hold off on planting the bamboo
until staff and the Planning Commission can review everything and figure out if
he needs a CUP. She also stated that the next Planning Commission meeting of
February 19, 2013 is cancelled and the next meeting will be at the beginning of
March.
Chairman Morsch stated that they are still trying to weed out the issues but in
working with staff, Mr. Halloran should get an early indication of their
recommendation.
Vice Chairman O'Neal stated that he had no intension of shutting down the
operation in the middle of the Management Plan, and noted that the City had
given him permission to do this until 2015 and he is abiding by that agreement.
He believes that this is a land use and therefore requires a CUP. He noted that it
doesn't mean that there wasn't one before. It just can't be found. He indicated
that this meeting is primarily about screening, and whether or not the plant is
invasive.
STAFF COMMENTS
Acting Planning Manager MacHott advised the Commission there will be a Joint
Study Session on February 12, 2013, with the City Council to discuss the Draft
Housing Element which will be held at the Elsinore Valley Water District Board
Room and begins at 7:00 p.m and distributed copies to all Commissioners.
The League of California Cities is running a Planning Commissioner's Academy
on February 27 through March 1, 2013 and four of the Commissioners are
attending. Hotel reservations are confirmed through E -Mail to the
Commissioners and they can charge the parking to their rooms and the City will
cover the charge. The City will issue a per diem check to the Commissioners.
The Conference begins at 1:00 p.m., on February 27, 2013, and there is a Pre -
con Conference Workshop on Ethics, if the Commissioners have not taken their
Ethics Training, or they can take via Web cast.
The official means of communication with the Commissioners is via the Lake
Elsinore E -Mail and requested the Commission to check their E -Mail on a regular
basis for any communication from staff.
Vice Chairman O'Neal stated that he doesn't use the City of Lake Elsinore E-
Mail.
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PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS
Commissioner Blake requested clarification of CFDs and the way they are
approved. City Attorney Leibold stated that they go to City Council by application
of the property owner. Commissioner Blake stated that he is concerned that
there are many property owners that end up getting surprised by the CFDs and
their escalation clauses and what happens to their utilization, in these economic
times. He stated that it would be advantageous for the City Council to take the
position that builders develop property as they go, rather than add additional tax
to the homeowners.
Commissioner Jordan asked when the Civic Center retrofit is scheduled to be
completed. Public Works Director Seumalo stated within ten months.
Vice Chairman O'Neal stated that it was announced by one Councilman that the
City received 1.5 million dollars from Caltrans for the intersection at Riverside
Drive and Gunnerson. Public Works Director Seumalo stated that it is going to
be a Caltrans project, not a City project but the funds have been committed. Vice
Chairman O'Neal asked if it will be done this year. Public Works Director
Seumalo stated that it will not be done this year and he is not sure what the
timing is.
Vice Chairman O'Neal stated that he doesn't use the City's website for his right
to privacy.
Commissioner Morsch stated that Rotary and Habitat for Humanity got together
with High School kids to do a work program for the Bird Tract located at Joy
Street and Riverside Drive and is primarily low income housing. 106 volunteers
showed up and Habitat for Humanity supplied all of the materials. He indicated
that it was a great experience and a great program.
Chairman Morsch stated that the City lost Justin Carlson, and he will be missed
CITY ATTORNEY'S COMMENTS
None.
BUSINESS ITEM(S)
None.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the Planning Commission,
Chairman Morsch adjourned the meeting at 7:52 p.m.
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The regular Planning Commission meeting of February 19, 2013, will be
cancelled. The next regular Planning Commission meeting will be held on
Tuesday, March 5, 2013, at the Senior Activities Center, located at 420 E.
Lakeshore Drive, Lake Elsinore, CA 92530.
Rick Morsch, Chairman
City of Lake Elsinore
Attest:
Richard J. MacHott
Acting Planning Manager