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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2012-10-02 PC Agenda Item No. 1CITY OF LAKE LSIAOFJE DREAM EXTREME ru REPORT TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO: HONORABLE CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM: KRISTINE HERRINGTON OFFICE SPECIALIST DATE: OCTOBER 2, 2012 SUBJECT: APPROVAL OF MINUTE(S) Recommendation It is recommended that the Planning Commission approve the Minutes as submitted. a. August 21, 2012 b. September 4, 2012 Prepared by: Kristine Herrington Office Specialist Approved by: Warren Morelion, AICPR4,J WM Acting Director of CommGnity Development PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 Page 1 of 1 CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 21, 2012 CALL TO ORDER Chairman Morsch called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE Commissioner Jordan led the Pledge of Allegiance. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Morsch Vice Chairperson O'Neal Commissioner Blake Commissioner Gray Commissioner Jordan Absent: None Also present: Acting Community Di Director Seumalo, Planning Associa Planning Consultant t'mu, ",_Deputy Herrington. None. 1. a. June Approval vlorelion, Public Works 3 Consultant Donahoe, , and Office Specialist Deputy City Attorney Mann stated that at the last Planning Commission meeting, certain Planning Commissioners were not comfortable voting on the Minutes with respect to a meeting that they did not attend on June 5, 2012. He stated that the Commissioners are entitled not to vote on the Minutes if they did not attend the meeting. If they prefer, they can abstain again, and take the votes of the Commissioners that are comfortable voting. PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 a Page 1 of 9 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of August 21, 2012 Page 2 of 9 Motion by Vice Chairman O'Neal, seconded by Commissioner Jordan, to approve the Planning Commission Minutes of June 5, 2012, Motion passed by 3- 0-2 vote, with Commissioner's Gray and Blake abstaining. b. June 19, 2012 Recommendation: Approval Motion by Vice Chair O'Neal, seconded by Commissioner Jordan, to approve the Planning Commission Minutes of June 19, 2012; with the following revisions: Omit "Provides that the rear fencing to be wood that is a 'ant to lot 326 ", and change the word "Provide" to "Suggested" a view fence between the property lines of 326 and 340; Motion passed by 4-0-1 vote wit:, Commissioner Blake abstaining. PUBLIC HEARING ITEM(S) 2. Recommendation Adopt a Elsinore attached Planning Consultant Sharon /0- uhu W "ayCtL of Cons f "ant Coury re�a He rin, tice. The r1 1,137 1 ors. She st, proper infom7at on and show up to the meetinc this item would have .to City Attorney Mann sts discrepancy is a "mate owners. ommendmg�Wh`e(3Ityo(;ouncil of the City of Lake Tentative -Tract Mai No. 35000, based on the its and co' itions of approval. the �ff report. g4sW Angeles, stated that she contacted Planning ) a%discrepancy of size of acres that was on the Public e Ind sated 137.1 acres, and the staff report indicated tha'surrounding property owners were not given the that reason, those property owners possibly did not "hairman Morsch asked Deputy City Attorney Mann if continued due to the discrepancy of acreage. Deputy that the Commission would need to determine if the difference" in terms of the notification to the property Sharon Gallina, resident of Lake Elsinore, stated that she never received a Notice and she showed up at the meeting because she saw the Notice posted at City Hall. She also stated that the discrepancy on the Notice is a big problem and if her neighborhood would have known about it, they would have attended the meeting. PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1a Page 2 of 9 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of August 21, 2012 Page 3 of 9 The applicant, Hardy Stozier, Environmental Consultant for the project, stated that he believes the Public Hearing was published in the Press Enterprise and everyone that lived within a 300 foot radius did receive a Notice. Planning Consultant Coury confirmed. Chairman Morsch clarified that what was being discussed at this time was Item No. 2, not Item No. 3. Commissioner Blake asked for clarification regarding legal noticing to residents and the radius of noticing. Mr. Strozier clarified that it is a 300 foot radius to notify residents throughout the entire 1000+ acre prop,,' rly The applicant provided the radius maps and mailing labels which were verified by the Title Company. Vice Chairman O'Neal asked who preared:•the Notice. Planning Consultant Coury stated that staff prepared the nice , `pmmissioner Blake stated that the typo came from the City and asd'4f this Is a legitimate Notice because there is quite a difference in the number o acreage. The applicant, Tom Tomlinson of Castle°° &,Cooke addressed the ,',brnmission regarding the Tentative Tract Map and clarify �giheliscrepancy of "acreage on the Notice and in the staff report He stated the the actual acreage is 1,371.1 which is identified correctly in thebody of the staff< report. He noted that the mining operation and the developr6" its re separate ent s. Acting Community Development Director I pre oh state��d that if the Commission decides to approve this „items ill has tog e°ihe Cit' uncil for approval at which time a correct Not °e' of "VP,b' b Iic Heari be ent out and re- circulated to residents within tW a racti s. Commissioner Gray stat dd�tffNtffi�irnce� the item will be presented to the City Council wtFi�{he coy: ct mfgf%natio�oesr t object to the project. because it will be presented to the City Vice Chairma`'Neal sted that he is troubled by the fact there was a mistake on the Notice ybut ;is t too concerned because it will be re- noticed with the correct informationce 1 will be presented to the City Council. Chairman Morsch stated that although he is sympathetic to those that were misinformed due to the discrepancy of information on the Notice, he doesn't think it rises to the level of re- noticing and believes it doesn't affect the overall operation, and has no impact on the neighboring communities. Motion by Commissioner Jordan and seconded by Commissioner Gray to approve Resolution No. 2012 -25, a Resolution of the Planning Commission of the City of Lake Elsinore, California, recommending to the City Council of the City PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1a Page 3 of 9 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of August 21, 2012 Page 4 of 9 of Lake Elsinore, approval of Tentative Tract Map No. 35000 Generally located on the West side of Lake Street at Temescal Road; Motion passed 5 -0. 3. Reclamation Plan No. 2011 -01 — JILL _L VI INIILVII / IWul l uu IV III IGI. UUJ Jul ally IU1a0LVU VV VOL VI LI IV 1 -IV 1 IUVVVgy between Nichols Road and Lake Street. Reclamation will include but is not limited to restoration and reveaetation of anv disturbed land associated with the oroiect site Planning Consultant Coury presented the staff report. Paul Macarro, Cultural Coordinator for the Pechanga, serVation, stated that they are not opposed to the project rather to a [ack �o'Ortigation measures for a their ancestors' cultural resources. Commissioner Jordan asked Mr. Macarro Wffifilat"he is in opposition to. Mr. Macarro stated that they are opposed to°e sudden change in 'fhe rrpitigation monitoring. Commissioner Jordan asked. echainga would like tosee done. Michelle Fahley, House Council with the Pechang ,Tribe, stated that they would like to have their Tribal Monitors • _ re as they h�aue, with Lake Elsinore in the past. Commissioner Jordan infd , er that this ,equirement was in the Conditions of Approval. Ms. Fah y -d. that the�condition, referring to Condition No. 18 is one of the most dl es 910, Corte out of the City because it allows the Director to 12 rmine who t I ribal Monitor will be. N sI Chairman Morsch. eked Mss ahley to w tk through Condition No. 18 and point out her areas o conJ§ ,. MME; aHey refe the statements appropriate Native and would like those two statements Acting C6mmunity DeR opmenIt Director Morelion stated that it was never intended for staff to oickonitor from each tribe. Chairman MorgdWistated"that their intension is to preserve Indian artifacts and he would like to seeneral agreement. Ms. Fahley stated that they provided comments to the ity regarding their concerns and the Mitigation Measure and the conditions of Approval that are proposed for the project are not acceptable to the Tribe which they expressed to the City. She is requesting to work with staff and bring back a Mitigation Measure that both sides can be happy with and also to revise the Condition to state "the appropriate Tribe" with a footnote that names Pechanga as the appropriate Tribe. She also requested compensation for the monitor. Chairman Morsch asked Ms. Fahley if they would accept a Tribe volunteer to do the monitoring. Ms. Fahley stated that the monitors should be compensated for PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1a Page 4 of 9 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of August 21, 2012 Page 5 of 9 their work and to not be compensated is disrespectful to the Tribe. Chairman Morsch asked what they would charge. Ms. Fahley stated that depending on the monitoring, two thousand dollars. Commissioner Jordan asked Mr. Tomlinson to clarify what will be done at the location. Mr. Tomlinson stated that there will be no grading, just stockpiling, and treating the soil so something will grow. He stated that he has no problem listing a Tribe but the Tribe would need to indemnify the City and the applicant against challenges from other Tribes. Ms. Fahley stated they would agree to this but their main concern is new soil that hasn't been touched, and they would like to look at the stockpiles. A�1, Planning Consultant Coury stated that during the environKnental review period, staff received letters from four tribes, including Pechanga an • that was the basis of the current statement in the conditions. Alsa Tribe req fisted to meet with staff but was unable to meet and they were q ffik Commission meeting and did not attend. Vice Chairman O'Neal asked what the othe Coury stated Soboba, Pala, Morongo, and was the Tribe that requested the n*ong. Paulie Tehrani stated that she had aco Tom Weiner from Hardy Strozier stating properly. Commissioner Gam state that he Commissioners regarjt th oncerns interests of the Pecha isnoTrlb there we re-,"06t I q 1111 ps also irite`rE e. Planning Consultant and noted that Soboba was sent in 2010 to staff can do their job cares the interest of the other Lave been expressed regarding the roup and it was news to know that 1 in providing monitoring. Commissioner Jordai' dated hbC`she noticed that the APN numbers on the Resolution do not ma�h;the APN numbers on the Reclamation Plan. Planning Consultari� ury stated that the APN numbers on the Resolutions are the correct numrej and he %would correct the APN numbers on the Reclamation ,r. Plan. Commissioner Jordan stated that Condition No. 10 needs to be revised due to a typo and stated that lodged needs to be replaced with logged. She asked Mr. Strozier what timeframe he estimates the monitoring and the re- vegetation to be completed. Mr. Strozier stated that the Reclamation Plan states that the applicant will grow and monitor as long as it takes to reach 80% coverage and the conditions require the applicant to submit to the City an annual report of the landscape status each year through an independent monitor. Commissioner Jordan stated that Condition No. 50.f needs to be revised as it is missing the remainder of the sentence. Mr. Strozier stated that the entire PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 a Page 5 of 9 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of August 21, 2012 Page 6 of 9 sentence needs to be struck because it doesn't pertain to the annual report information. Public Works Director Seumalo agreed and indicated that he would omit the entire sentence. Chairman O'Neal asked Mr. Strozier to discuss the Biological Study for the Reclamation Plan. Mr. Strozier reviewed the Biological Study and the results. Chairman O'Neal requested that WYROC come back to the Commission to review the conditions. Chairman Morsch stated that he agrees with the Conditions and noted the significance of the historic artifacts which should be rec ured and preserved responsibly. "" �r"b Commissioner Blake stated that it is good that the fclarna \n Plan guarantees vegetation growth and puts the responsibility ontQNp apple t. He is glad to see that the Tribal interests are being addres,§, ' bysthe City. 11� Motion by Commissioner Jordan and secbAded by; Vice Chairmg 'Neal to approve Resolution No. 2012 -26, a Resolute f = "Planning Commission of the City of Lake Elsinore, California, adopting find s that the project identified as Reclamation Plan No. 2011`011, is exempt fro= he Multi- Species Habitat Conservation Plan (MSHCP); Moti d 5 -0. \�,y Motion by Commissioner Blake and sE Resolution No. 2012 2b,e .Resolution fi/'! �//firifi� Lake Elsinore, California, apq oving M Motion passed E6" , Motion by Lake Amendment to Cond will co 'QQQ t, monitor word volunteer; dele replacing ther, lo 13 Y bYZCo issioner Gray to approve Pla 1 Commission of the City of Negative Declaration No. 2012 -02; ,tended by Commissioner Gray to approve >olutlalifi the Planning Commission of the City of ving Reclamation Plan No. 2011 -01, with the ,'state *(Pechanga is the appropriate Tribe and „a fee not to exceed $5,000.00); deleting the fition No. 50.f, and correcting Condition No. 10 logged; Motion passed 5 -0. Commercial Mixed Use or RMU Residential Mixed Use or R -3 High Density Residential Planning Consultant Donahoe presented the staff report. Vice Chairman O'Neal stated that he has an issue with a CMU zone at Mission Trail between Diamond Drive and the Bowling Alley. He stated that he understands the notion of pedestrian friendliness and the ideas that go with the mixed use idea; he doesn't think the area will ever change to include a residential PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 a Page 6 of 9 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of August 21, 2012 Page 7 of 9 component. Planning Consultant Donahoe stated that a CMU zone can be built as commercial only and noted that there is no requirement for a residential component in the CMU zone. She also stated that the City wants to provide the opportunity for residential which can develop in conjunction with the commercial. In addition, she stated that the subject zone change is the final step in implementing the newly adopted General Plan. Commissioner Blake stated that this was a very admirable task for staff. He asked if there have been any building permit inquiries. Planning Consultant Donahoe stated that although there haven't been any building permit inquiries, there has been interest in the Downtown area and there,l 4� p been people that have benefited from the General Plan designations. Commissioner Gray stated that the changes as thinking which is very appropriate to the pl; applauded staffs work. Commissioner Jordan noted one requested to delete multiple4- family and repl2 stated that Planning Consultant Donahoe did a Chairman Morsch stated that addiri the future and is very pleased with' <tl important element is public feedbacl community for all oft areas affecte the community and getting *feedback. affect elements gf�i�City s`MLnicipal ed demonstrate long term functon the City and report , Sed,40h 2c and iultiole -famil She also r7 Tpxed use is the way of le stated that the most a e participation from the ;d the City's effort noticing zone changes are going to Acting ComT lty De 'veloprrtentE t Morelion stated that the RMU and the v ' roil of we� CMU hav helr own stancja s which Citywide and have been adopted into e the Mud %ipal Code% He stated that regarding the Multi - Family designation, the City alydy has standards alwill not be developing anymore zones or ;,,,,,u Motion by Co m u mission, r Jordan and seconded by Commissioner Gray to approve Resolu X2012 -29, a Resolution of the Planning Commission of the City of Lake ;ore, California, recommending approval of Zone Change No. 2012 -03, knowri as the Consistency Zoning Project - Phase I, changing the zoning of various parcels in the City to (CMU) Commercial Mixed Use or (RMU) Residential Mixed Use or (R -3) High Density Residential; Motion 5 -0. BUSINESS ITEMS None. STAFF COMMENTS PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1a Page 7 of 9 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of August 21, 2012 Page 8 of 9 Public Works Director Seumalo wished everyone a happy holiday. Planning Consultant Donahoe stated that the CMU and RMU have no lot sizes and indicated that this is the new design. Acting Community Development Director Morelion stated that if the Commissioners have any standards for the eventual Code update to forward to him and he will put them on a list to address with a future comprehensive Code update. CITY ATTORNEY COMMENTS Deputy City Attorney Mann had no comments. PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Commissioner Blake stated that he is i excited to see that businesses are cc Restaurant. Vice Chairman O'Neal stated that he suggested that the City establish requested that no Code Enforcemar Commission review all of the conditi stated that he doesn't. believe it's bi location is at comr ial corner that which doesn't log d ✓k the staff's hdtd�,wo�rk and is to ',,(kq City such �s,J ne Star people as im about yard sales and arterly yar�1�� that is date specific d Also h. would like to see the ,bfs�roval...f& the WYROC area. He erviced very well and noted that the �ple drivePby when coming into the City Chairman Morsch state %t ate�has been disturbed by WYROC's operation since 20 antl re "• ste _ ft an Agenda item be added regarding the status of the W OC operas He a1 §o requested another item be added to the Agenda reg�rd� a murals in Cliq, bfid recommended Studio 365 which is an orgarnzatf of local a Isis that,ae trying to beautify the City with murals. There being no'fther business to come before the Planning Commission, Chairman Morsch gourned the meeting at 8:22 p.m. The Lake Elsinore Planning Commission will adjourn to a regular meeting to be held on Tuesday, September 4, 2012, at 6:00 p.m. to be held at the Cultural Center located at 183 N. Main Street, Lake Elsinore, CA 92530. Rick Morsch, Chairman City of Lake Elsinore PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1a Page 8 of 9 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of August 21, 2012 Page 9 of 9 Attest: Warren Morelion Acting Community Development Director PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 a Page 9 of 9 CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 4, 2012 CALL TO ORDER Chairman Morsch called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE Commissioner Blake led the Pledge of Allegiance. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Morsch Vice Chairperson O'Neal Commissioner Blake Commissioner Gray Commissioner Jordan Absent: None Also present: Acting Community[ Director Seumalo, Senior Planner Specialist Herrington � Grace Sandlir that their,foeu past she was Lake EII%Q e. Their suggestio {C'uhich c o u already in orelion, Public Works i Leibold, and Office s park�f lh�e Studio 395 Artist Co -op. She stated 1e da�fe using art. She also stated that in the vitalization of both the historic downtown Santa kland would like to form an "Arts Task Force" for that the Planning Commission evaluates this bute to the "Dream Extreme" branding that is Robin Golden stateds•'that she is a local mural artist and is involved in the Studio 395 Artist Co -op. She stated that they would like to bring more public art and art education to the City and would like the Planning Commission to consider designing a Review Board who would be reviewing, and making suggestions for permanent and temporary signage, murals and public art to promote cultural diversity and harmony within the City. CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM(S) None. PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 b Page 1 of 10 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of September 4, 2012 Page 2 of 10 PUBLIC HEARING ITEM(S) Zoning Ordinance Text Amendment No. 2012 -02 — An Ordinance of the 1 /.1UV LJIUI IJ - f UVWILIJI114 JLIUVLUICDJ Uy MIJU11U111U QVULIVI IJ 17.196.020, 17.196.100, 17.196.110, 17.196.160 and adding Section 17.196.165 of the Lake Elsinore Municipal Section 17.196.165 of the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code regarding limited off -site advertising) Recommendation Adopt a resolution recommending to the City Council of the City of Lake Elsinore Approval of Zoning Ordinance Text�,,,-A dment No. 2012 -02. Adopt a resolution recommending to the \C�CIt Counf the City of Lake Elsinore. Senior Planner MacHott presented the st report. He stated thatddition to ME I the text that is in the staff report, staff Is proposing changes to Section 196.165, to add the word "deterioration" to damage or e�ers'to the banners "which would require the signs to be repaired, or removed Immediately, and because both paragraphs P & Q contain thel xe language,", the exception of one sentence, staff proposes moving th eme regardin rkers Compensation to the end of Paragraph P and delet g th aragl�aph 1 under O because it repeats what is in paragraph P . W Vice Chairman Q eaI as1Ce with reg,, rds to the Studio 395 Artist Co -op, whether the co, [I, be ,nvolved wl he art work. Acting Community Development Director ,N(erello seated that the City normally does not involve the a °x?% community f banners] e Chalr;[pan 0 Neal stated that in the design review rocess�rs ed eone with an artistic eye taking a look at it. �� Y 9 KimtSa,'�/, yan, ownerr�Tulip rophies, and Treasures on Main Street, stated her concerns,about bannJs in' e City staying in one location for a long time and ending up torn She stated that she was in the City of Yorba Linda that put up Military banners for people lost in the war and for people serving the Country AI which is beautiful : 'nlor Planner MacHott stated that the City's provisions do ,, provide a maximum`; °of 30 days for the banners and they must be removed within 48 hours of the erd of the event. Ms. Ryan stated that there are various signs that are up a lot longer than they should be and is afraid that they are going to have torn banners. Vice Chairman O'Neal stated that this should be a Code Enforcement issue. Ms. Ryan requested to be on the Design Review Committee. Chairman Morsch indicated to Ms. Ryan that the Commission has asked staff to put an item on the Agenda regarding a discussion for murals in the City which could include a Committee that reviews art, banners and posters incorporated into the Mural Ordinance. Ms. Ryan stated that their Downtown Merchants Association meets PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 b Page 2 of 10 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of September 4, 2012 Page 3 of 10 the 3rd the Thursday of the month at 7:30 a.m. at Flour Fusion and the people that are running for City Council will be there at 8:30 a.m. She stated that their vision is to build up downtown Main Street and she does want to see the City grow. Kim Cousins of the Lake Elsinore Chamber of Commerce stated that regarding signage, Lake Elsinore doesn't really have a marketing plan and noted that the City doesn't have a comprehensive newspaper that covers the area. He stated that the Chamber has received many complaints from residents and from the business community that they did not know about main events going on in the City. He stated that he appreciates the City moving ford hanging banners with information regarding major events in the City. He indicated that under Section 17.196 -165 Temporary Street Banners, Ligh�t0 "Pole Banners and Flags, Item I, the statement regarding width and height needs t6`1516-clarified. He stated that the business community is also concerned aUout tem ry signage and they are looking for relief as it relates to pre - approved definitio , or signage size for temporary uses, making it easier for t usine s owners to gee through the approval process. Finally, with regards to ets, he st� d that a lot 6flfl sinesses will find it difficult from a Bond standpoint or ven ahap,lication standpoint, and requested if the City could waive permit fees. ?r, Commissioner Jordan asked how fl e G�ty came up Wlttl� pillion dollar limit for the insurance liability. Senior PIa'nneY'JacHott stat that it is the same insurance that the City requires for$pecil Eventsarid noted that insurance would be covered fwhA��ver is puti up the ��jgns. City Attorney Leibold stated that one mill] ;o"'follar coverage fo�t'hese if of signs for personal injury and property da . H� Is fairly�f" pica) and sufficient. Vice Chairmann0'Neal sid thatgb problem with this. Commissioner BIAdWst�ted "thai,,ghe liked the concept of having banners overhead announcing different'e�ents tha e going on in the City, and concurs regarding the length time that the. bane rs will be up. He stated that he was concerned about the$5Q0.00 dollar, cash bond. City Attorney Leibold stated that it is deposited asWsecur Iny the event that the sign doesn't get removed. Acting Community Development Director Morelion clarified that the banners are for community sponsored events or large events and none of the banners are designed for "Momnd Pop" businesses. Commissioner Gray thanked those that spoke about the art and the review committee and indicated that he has confidence that a methodology will enhance the process and make it easier. Chairman Morsch asked if the cash bonds can be held in a joint account with the applicant and the City. City Attorney Leibold stated that she wasn't familiar with that but indicated that it is a security deposit and at the end of the event, the sign is removed. Chairman Morsch asked who is going to own the signs. City PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 b Page 3 of 10 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of September 4, 2012 Page 4 of 10 Attorney Leibold stated that the City may be a co- sponsor but the event holder would be the owner of the sign and this requires a permit to affix the sign. Senior Planner MacHott stated that some cities do put up and take down the banners and in some cases are the custodial owners of the signs but the City of Lake Elsinore chose not to do that and if this becomes an issue, the City can always amend the Ordinance in the future. Chairman Morsch asked that when the banners or signs are put up, does the City inspect them to make sure that they are properly anchored and put in place. Acting Community Development Director stated that the banner design for major City events would be used year after year and only the date would need to be changed. H.", so stated that the building inspector would make sure that the installation is'done correctly in case there are heavy winds, etc. A� Chairman Morsch stated that he thinks it would be 4`good i hat the City have a Design Review Committee who has experi��6 in art to properly advertise an event and participate in that process. Motion by Commissioner Jordan and secon Eby° Vice Chairman O'Neal to approve Resolution No. 2012 -30, a Resolution the Planning Commission of f �: the City of Lake Elsinore, Cal ifornts „recom mend in�fQ', the City Council of the City of Lake Elsinore, approval of Zonlri°4�14Inance Ted (�1dment No. 2012 -02 with changes to Items O, P & O, a,, �(e W dm the staff Oport; with the provision for the Design Review Committee took at the- g, her designs; and revising Section 17.196.165 T porary StreetRBahners �ht Pole Banner and Flags, Section I, clarifying h at� eight; Motion passe 5 -0. 1 ,Ati e' 2. DevelOOmen aree �*C1t — General utdnnr Adverticinn — r)Pvalnnment Adopt a res &Idtion recommending to the City Council of the City of Lake Elsinore approval of a Development Agreement by and between the City of Lake Elsinore and General Outdoor Advertising. Planning Consultant MacHott presented the staff report. He stated that the Development Agreement was negotiated with various terms which were not reflected in the staff report at the time of distribution and he noted the change to the Commission regarding the timing of the electronic public service message. (The amendment would be that the City will be entitled to one eight - second public service message on each of the two faces of the sign every ten minutes). PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 b Page 4 of 10 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of September 4, 2012 Page 5 of 10 Vice Chairman O'Neal asked who pays for the signs electricity. Senior Planner MacHott stated that it would be General Outdoor Advertising. Commission O'Neil stated that the reason he brought this up was that when the sign at the Outlet Center was originally approved, the City was supposed to be advertised, and he hasn't seen any advertisements regarding the City, and the sign has been turned off. City Attorney Leibold stated that it would be appropriate to add a provision that in the event of non -use for a period of time, the sign would need to be repaired and operational within a reasonable period of time, and failure to operate within some period of time, would require the sign to be removed. �fk Vice Chairman O'Neil asked that since it is a I the City and the sign company, why is Storm Leibold stated that the agreement specificall,, minute for Storm and Stadium promotion at. Development Agreement regarding the Colwd%t Promotion. Commissioner Jordan asked if the agreement' Attorney Leibold stated that the v' sted right to t good for five years. If the sign coma, ,ils to they have no rights and then explain* fh`AkPc Commissioner potential interc have to be me on where the i Franklin would north towards >I In City to '%ve it. Ms Ryanated that allowed to put up billt to put up b Illhoard si (billboards) are`gf: it some other sectiora.of a sign permitted by`w Ryan stated that Main it Agreement between blued. City Attorney for seconds every to We''Section in the rig Sta,i Imand Storm J for five years. City in this location is only !n the next five years, end; Chairman %Mdisch asked about Franklin being a t sor.ie, time. Chairman Morsch asked if the sign would blic "arks Dlrect4,seumalo stated that it would depend RN 11 e w'ou)d be and indicated that the existing overcross for laceandke Irltechange will be located 600 to 1000 feet etSQIf the locaffons conflict then Caltrans will require the 1#01f waA City Ordinance that business owners were not )a%d signs and asked if this is opening up for other people Ins: City Attorney Leibold stated that off premise signs C , with the exception of a specific plan, overlay zone, or the City's Code and as added by the previous agenda item iy of a Development Agreement for a specific project. Ms. Street business owners would like to have a billboard. Kim Cousins asked if the City was going to pursue having an Auto located in the space between the Casino sign and the new sign. Cit y Leibold stated that under the Caltrans mapping, the current location i s location for it but if it's on the Auto Dealer's property then it is an "on sign with different requirements. Mall sign Attorney the only premise" PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 b Page 5 of 10 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of September 4, 2012 Page 6 of 10 Mr. Cousins let the Commission know that the Lake Elsinore Outlet sign is working again. Also, he requested clarification on the gambling and gambling services, specifically on the Lake Elsinore Outlet sign. He indicated that the Lake Elsinore Hotel Casino ad refers to "Black Jack ", etc. He asked if this is considered a gambling message. He requested clarity between the Outlet sign and the new sign. City Attorney Leibold stated that with respect to this sign, if the Commission believes that this is not a benefit and would recommend a change in the modification to the provision; this is a draft for their consideration. With respect to the existing Outlet Center sign, she is not familiar with Ot agreement relating to that. She stated that this was a voluntary provision and assumed that they are complying with whatever parameters were placed Ckgi he,advertising; therefore, the City can go back and look at that. Chairman O'Neal stated that he doesn't hi generate sales tax revenue for the City. C #Attorne not a prohibition against advertising theo'-iofel,,,the i but the prohibition is advertising specific gaming �, Mr. Cousins stated that on behal!,11" the Board of Commerce, they are in full support +� sign. This Corridor which will bring more reven mcity. Commissioner Blake pollution and the hou and advertising .ctia' thing to bring into fh Street. He thinks it is community y 12, 0 Corj's...sj oner Gray WX every ten minutes do minute for tbe•Storm, Attorney Lei stat perspective was .tac chose the length ofi ti iblem th°,,,ign and would Leibold st4tt ent that: there is fsino, or the ertainment of the Chamber of opportunity on the t he is kapposition' f the sign because of visual area hadkto look 4- wn at the multi - colored lights eight seconds. He doesn't think this is a great iity. He would prefer the sign to be off of Main atWhealth, safety and general welfare of the ted that e, eight- second public service announcement dseem like much time compared to 16 seconds every it seems that the City has very little benefit to this. City I at the primary purpose of the sign from the City's im and Storm promotion. She explained why the City for the advertisements in the agreement and indicated that if the Commission doesn't think that this is sufficient, then the Commission can revise and the Commission's recommendation will be presented to the City Council. Commissioner Gray suggested having more time for advertising and it will tell the motorist going by on Interstate 15 that the City of Lake Elsinore is actually here. Commissioner Jordan stated that she liked the sign and doesn't have any issues with it. PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 b Page 6 of 10 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of September 4, 2012 Page 7 of 10 Vice Chairman O'Neal asked what the cost of the sign was. Dave Oster, President of the Storm Stadium, stated that the entire sign will cost close to one million dollars once it is put up. Vice Chairman O'Neal asked about the cost of advertising on the sign. Mr. Oster stated he doesn't have an exact cost because it is all tied into the packaging but depending on the economy, it will take at least five years to make the money back. Chairman O'Neal asked about the sign's brightness and is there any kind of measurement used. Public Works Director Seumalo stated that Caltrans monitors this and the brightness is a safety factor. Mr. Oster stated that once the sign is up, there is capability to control the brightness. Chairman O'Neal stated that he appreciates the however, he knows that there is no way to adverti Oster stated that a lot of people know about Storm if there are playoff games and that is part of the re eyes on the sign because they do light up whenitt activity going on. The reason they placed the sign a is that it is Caltrans driven and there are, very,;few spt are trying to find ways to drive traffic to the stadium,:a in the town, and create revenue to help pay for the �I pollution argument; Storm Stadium. Mr. seb ',,,,but they don't know son for the Storm Stadium ;re is a home game or an the car dealers iip,.location \Qi s to locate theigns. They � �`promote what is going on Chairman O'Neal stated that he do s,, /l tCe the sign° olti# he knows that the City and the businesses in the City need to tieq> rtised He would like to see the sign more liberalized in terms of content. � �s Beneral Outdoor Advertising needs to maximize the re ° it and he would also Ilke to see more time advertised regarding the "Dr eatr E° ° e" activities in the City. Mr. Oster stated that the difficult and fine ,line is that e City wanfs to promote the special messages that are going on In Lake a s nor ut they can , afford to give out free messages to ������ . every business m town irm, h5G Neal asked how much of an impact would it R ,• be, in terms<of re'Ve, i ° e sign were�to be turned off at a certain time, such as 1:00 anon'. Mr Osteftethat it's all based on people driving on Interstate 15, and tk, drive on it 2 '_ Chairman 'M" ch asked regarding the business model, if there is a different rate during prim ��e hours?' from 4:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. and rush hour in the evening, as opposed t0,6:00 a.m. Mr. Oster stated that it would depend on the number of ads thag ey would get and they would rotate at various times of the day and night, all on a rotational basis. Chairman Morsch had some questions regarding intensity of lighting at different times of the day and night and the impact to the community, and various questions regarding the amount of advertising time. Mr. Oster stated that their sign person couldn't attend the meeting but he would refer these questions to him as he has the expertise in this area and will follow up with the Commission. Mr. Oster stated that he agreed with Mr. Cousins, as the City doesn't have local television, and no great newspaper and radio resources, therefore, the City PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 b Page 7 of 10 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of September 4, 2012 Page 8 of 10 needs a big screen advertising sign to promote the great resources that the City offers. Chairman Morsch asked what will be displayed on the billboard. Mr. Oster stated that they can put the promotions that are going on at the Storm Stadium and any other special events that happen in the City. Chairman Morsch stated that he is in agreement with this. Vice Chairman O'Neal suggested continuing this item until the next meeting and perhaps address some of the concerns that Commissioner Blake has, and address any other issues that were discussed previously j Oster stated that this was passed in 2009 but is happy to bring back ,,more information to the Commission for additional questions and concerns 141" id note that he would like to continue to move this forward and get the sign up lbe ore Opening Day of next year. Chairman O'Neal asked if this can be brow' ht back to the Co ion on the September 18, 2012, Planning Commigsiksmeetg City Atto= , °� Leibold stated the September 18, 2012, Planning Co�missloWmeeting wad tentatively cancelled but doesn't have to be. If there is a regular meeting on that day, this would be the only item on the Age Commissioner Blake stated that he weeks will not change his oppositional of signs are outdated F,e 's concern's F,� driving on Interstate 15, a t this does to the residents �� j area �arding tf of the sign, and not�dhat t e should diffuses or impacts across; Inte�state?1:5, 1 to it and coming back in a few t that.le believes that these kinds the light pollution for the people ugh", there should be Notice given impact. He discussed the design nitation on the angle that the light Mr. OM stated 'th' he would, be happy to provide the Commission with this infonion and he undo�rstan a lighting issue. He noted that they will always be promoiin, and using a slg / Y! Vice Chair m i ONeaI said that he asked for a continuance in order to address Commissioner 8's cooncerns, but since they cannot, he was withdrawing his request for a conun.. -I nce. Commissioner Gray stated that he is in favor of this. Commissioner Jordan stated that she is in favor of this. Motion by Commissioner Jordan and seconded by Commissioner Gray to approve Resolution No. 2012 -31, a Resolution of the Planning Commission of the City of Lake Elsinore, California, recommending to the City Council of the City of Lake Elsinore, approval of a Development Agreement by and between the City of Lake Elsinore and General Outdoor Advertising with a correction in the body of PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 b Page 8 of 10 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of September 4, 2012 Page 9 of 10 the Resolution to read Public Notice of the Development Agreement, not Development Amendment; also that the Planning Commission would recommend adding a provision with respect to maintenance and removal of the sign in the event of non - operation; lastly, remove prohibition on the language that was used regarding gambling; Motion passed 4 -1 with Commissioner Blake opposing. Mr. Oster stated that he will go back to his partner and study the lighting and will follow up with the Commission with a report. 3. 13813 located at 160 Diamond Drive Senior Planner MacHott presented the staff report. Jennifer Chavez, Legal Representative Commission. Motion by Vice Chairman O'Neal and seed approve and sign letter of Public Convenience 0. %�1. BUSINESS ITEMS None. the missioner Gray to ; Motion passed 5- Acting Community Deu s °ffi nt� �re�tof Morelion stated that staff will be bringing „kk ack to the Co slon, �fh� discussion items regarding murals and banners. Also Pu or z�lrector Seumalo will be bringing WYROC mining tlorl opera. back to the S" or discussion. City Attorney Lelbold had no comments. The Planning Commissioners stated that staff did a great job. Chairman Morsch stated that on Friday, September 31, 2012, there was a critical accident at the Storm Stadium. A Fireman, and an employee were injured, and a young man by the name of William Calabrese lost his life while setting up the fireworks show at the Storm Stadium. He closed the meeting in memory of Mr. Calabrese. PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 b Page 9 of 10 City of Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of September 4, 2012 Page 10 of 10 ADJOURNMENT There being no further business to come before the Planning Commission, Chairman Morsch adjourned the meeting at 7:51 p.m. The Lake Elsinore Planning Commission will adjourn to a regular meeting to be held on Tuesday, September 18, 2012, at 6:00 p.m. to be held at the Cultural Center located at 183 N. Main Street, Lake Elsinore, CA 92530. Rick City Attest: Warren Morelion Acting Community Development Director PC October 2, 2012 Item No. 1 b Page 10 of 10