HomeMy WebLinkAboutItem No.1GMINUTES OF LAKE ELSINORE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
HELD ON THE 17TH DAY OF NOVEMBER 1993
THE MEETING WAS CALLED TO ORDER.AT 7:01 P.M.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE was led by Commissioner Neff.
ROLL CALL:
PRESENT: COMMISSIONERS: Bullard,'Neff, Wilsey,` and Metze
ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Brinley
Also present were Community Development Manager SYiear, City Planner
Leslie, Assistant Planner Villa and Engineering Manager O'Donnell.
NINUTE ACTION
Moved by Commissioner Wilsey, Second by Commissioner Bullard and
carried by a vote of 3 -0 with Commissioner Neff abstaining to
approve. Minutes of October 21, 1993, as submitted.
Moved by Commissioner Bullard, Second, by Commissioner`ltetze and
carried by 'unanimous vote of those present to receive and- file
Minutes of November 3, 1993.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
There being no request to speak, Vice Chairman Bullard closed the
PUBLIC COMMENT S,ection...
PUBLIC BEARINGS'
1. Conditional Use Permit 93 -5 - Greater Inland Investment
(Elsinore_ Valley Friends Church);; Assistant Planner Villa
explained that the request is to allow Elsinore Valley Friends
Church to 'conduct services: worship, youth meetings; bible
study'and aerobic classes, at the Shoppers'Square II shopping
center, 31768 Casino Drive #106B.
Vice Chairman Bullard opened the public hearing at 7:10 p.m.,'
and asked for any written communication.' The Secretary
reported no written communication. He then asked for anyone
wishing to speak in favor.
Mr`.. Kelly Butler, representative. of'' the Elsinore' Valley
Friends.Church, commented on the parking issue with regard to
the calculations for assembly area. Mr. Butler stated that he
hopes the CUP is granted, and that the - church, or any church
for that matter, will add character and help for the City.
Vice Chairman Bullard asked for anyone else wishing to speak
in favor.. Receiving no response, he asked 'for those opposed.
Receiving no responses he asked for anyone wishing to speak on .
the matter. Receiving no response, the public 'hearing' was
closed at 7:15 p.m.
Commissioner Neff asked staff about the shared parking agree -,
ments, condition number 10; and, if the applicant would need
cooperation from the other tenants or the landlord to
accomplish, and whether there would be any resistance. -
Commissioner Wilsey stated.there probably would be, except the
center"is basically empty.
City Planner Leslie stated it would need cooperation of the
property owners involved- -the property owner of the office
building and the property owner of the remainder of the
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center; as it is our understanding that two separate Property
owners are involved.
Commissioner Neff asked what
parking is not approved. City
the parking,,requirements would
would be null and void.
they would do if the shared
Planner Leslie responded that
not be met, therefore the CUP
Commissioner Neff asked Mr. Butler if he is having any success
in obtaining the agreement.
Mr. Butler stated that he has spoken with the property owners:
Tex McCallister, Mr. Washburn and Mr. Winkler and sees no
problem with getting an agreement. He further stated that the
property owner believes there to be something like- that
already in place.
City Planner Leslie stated if that is the case then evidence
would just have to be provided, copies submitted of whatever
was done. He further stated that even if this is in place, we
would still like to have a letter from the owner. of 'the center
acknowledging that all of the spare parking, is being utilized
by the church use. Therefore, if another church or restaurant"
use comes in, a use that would require more parking than
general commercial retail, there will not be a problem and the
land owner will inform them that they cannot locate in the
center.
Mr. Butler commented on the two year time limit and being able
to reapply. If at that point, we are able to get our own
facility and get out of that retail spot we would love.to do
that, because we are paying rent.
City Planner Leslie stated at that point, if you do move out
then -that,parking is available and other types. of uses that
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require extra parking could come in. But in the mean we
would like a statement from the land owner acknowledging this.
is the case.
Commissioner Wilsey asked Mr. Butler to elaborate on the.
aerobic program. Mr. Butler stated he could not provide any
detail, other.than she meets during the week -- believes it to
be Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 10 -11am.
Commissioner Wilsey stated the Staff Report indicates 10 -12
Monday through Friday and approximately 30, people. He
recommended the addition of condition number 11,, as follows:
The applicant shall obtain a City Business License for the
operation of a retail aerobics center at that location.
Discussion ensued on the proposed condition with regard to
non - profit /profit status; if operating a commercial aerobics
class obtaining a business license and the .type.of business
license required; changing the, condition to obtain a business
license if required by the Community Development Director or
Business License Department.
Commissioner Neff inquired about.signage.
Mr. Butler stated that they will adhere to the centerls sign
program.
Vice Chairman Bullard commented on the tax base, and inquired
whether this has any affect on the property taxes being paid
by the center. ..
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Community Development Manager Shear stated the church is
exempt from some of the property taxes when the church owns
the property, if they lease the space they are not exempt.
The owner of the center does not receive an exemption because
he is leasing to a church.
MOVED BY COMMISSIONER WILSEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER METZE AND
CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO APPROVE
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 93 -5 BASED ON THE FINDINGS, EXHIBIT "A"
AND "B ", AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL LISTED IN
THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT:
Condition No. 11: The applicant shall obtain a City
Business License for the operation of a
retail aerobics center, if required by
the Business License Department.
MOVED BY COMMISSIONER METZE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER NEFF AND
CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THOSE PRESENT TO ADOPT NEGATIVE
DECLARATION 93 -10.
NONE
PLANNING DEPARTMENTIB COMMENTS
City Planner Leslie report that staff is continuing to work with
Oak Grove Equities (Elsinore City Center) regarding their wall.
Also, continuing to work on fencing issues within residential
subdivisions.
There was general discussion on fencing within residential
subdivisions.
Commissioner Wilsey inquired about the type of fencing that 888
Development will utilize, referring to the park, multi- purpose
trail, and asked staff to provide this information.
PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS
Commissioner Metze
Nothing to report.
Commissioner Neff
Nothing to report.
Commissioner Wilsey
Nothing to report.
Commissioner Bullard
Invited everyone to attend the Sierra Circuit Rodeo this weekend.
Absent
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There being no further business; the Lake Elsinore Planning .
Commission adjourned at 7:37 p.m., motion by Commissioner Wilsey,
second by Commissioner Neff.
Approved 4 -0
Approved,
Richard Bullard,
vice Chairman
Respectfully Submitted,
Linda Grindstaff
Secretary
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