HomeMy WebLinkAbout01-17-2012 NAHCITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING
MINUTES OF JANUARY 17, 2012
CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Jordan called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Vice Chairperson O'Neal led the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chairperson Jordan
Vice Chairperson O'Neal
Commissioner Blake
Commissioner Gonzales
Commissioner Morsch
Absent: None
Also present: City Manager Brady, Planning Manager Morelion, Public Works
Director Seumalo, City Attorney Leibold, Planning Consultant Coury, Planning
Associate Resendiz, and Office Specialist Herrington.
PUBLIC COMMENTS - NON AGENDIZED ITEMS - 3 MINUTES
Sharon Gallina, resident in Alberhill Ranch, stated that Castle and Cooke gave
up their vested right to mine to put a kiln on the property. She noted that she has
documentation from the County of Riverside that confirms it. She requested that
the Planning Commission review the documents, and she reiterated that they
don't have vesting on Reclamation Plan No. 112.
CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM(S)
1. Approval of Planning Commission Minutes
Recommendation: Approve the following Minute(s):
a. January 3, 2012
Motion by Commissioner Morsch, seconded by Commissioner Gonzales, to
approve the Planning Commission Minutes of January 3, 2012.; Motion passed
by 5-0 vote.
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PUBLIC HEARING ITEM(S)
2. Reclamation Plan No. 2008-01 and Vested Right to Mine - Reclamation
Plan No. 2008-01 and Vested Right to Mine - Reclamation Plan for an
85.76-acre mining site, generally located along the east side of the 1-15
Freeway between Nichols Road and Lake Street. The project site was
previously within the 3,457 acre boundaries of Reclamation Plan 112. The
Planning Commission will consider the approval of the proposed
Reclamation Plan 2008-01 for the site and whether the owner has a legal
vested right for quarrying on the site pursuant to SMARA and Lake
Elsinore are Municipal Code Chapter 14.04. Reclamation will include, but
is not limited to, the restoration and revegetation of any disturbed land
associated with the project site. Mitigated Negative Declaration No. 2008-
08 was prepared for the project according to the California Environmental
Quality Act.
Recommendation:
It is recommended that the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No.
2012--approving Mitigated Negative Declaration No. 2008-08; adopt
Resolution No. 2012-_ approving MSHCP Consistency, and adopt
Resolution No. 2012-_ confirming the vested mining right and approving
Reclamation Plan No. 2008-01. This recommendation is based on the
findings, exhibits and conditions of approval attached to this staff report.
Vice Chairperson O'Neal requested that this item be postponed because the
Commission did not receive documentation from staff regarding whether or not
MCA has a vested right to mine the property. City Attorney Leibold stated that
following a 2007 court case, the issue of vested rights is required to be the
subject of a Public Hearing. She stated that a discussion of vested rights was
included in the staff report and discussed at the October 18, 2011 Planning
Commission meeting and is also included in the current staff report. She further
stated that the applicant has additional information and correspondence that he
would like to present to the Commission at tonight's meeting and encouraged the
Commission to hold the public hearing pursuant to the Public Notice. She noted
that the public hearing was properly noticed by publication, posting and mailing
and that there were people in the audience that wanted to speak on the item.
She stated that if, after hearing all of the testimony, any Commissioner believes
he or she doesn't have sufficient evidence and would like to continue the item or
deny the item, he or she can make that recommendation. Vice Chairperson
O'Neal stated that he believes that the meeting is out of order. City Attorney
Leibold stated that the meeting is not out of order. She explained to the
Commission the protocol regarding Notices of Public Hearing and the procedure
that could be followed to continue the confirmation of vested mining rights and
the Reclamation Plan. Commissioner Morsch explained that the City has noticed
a Public Hearing for the item and the Planning Commission has an obligation to
hold the hearing. He also stated that the City has done its duty and obligation to
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have the hearing and believes that the Commission should go forward with the
Public Hearing and make a decision once the information is presented.
Chairperson Jordan stated that she agreed with Commissioner Morsch to
proceed with the hearing.
Planning Consultant Coury presented the staff report.
Sharon Gallina of Alberhill Ranch stated that MCA is not vested and they
purchased parcel numbers 390-210-014 and 019 at the end of 1995 after Pacific
Clay gave up their vested rights for Reclamation Plan (RP) 112. She also stated
that MCA purchased the land from Long Beach Equities and Long Beach
Equities wasn't going to mine that land. She stated that SMP 173 properties
were purchased in 1986, not vested land per the County records.
James Good, Attorney for MCA, stated that when he went before the
Commission in October 2011, he indicated that the vesting right to mine was
never abandoned; and is again stating that the vesting was established by Pacific
Clay as of January 1, 1976, the effective date of SMARA. RP 112 is evidence of
the extent of the vesting right and the vesting right included mining of clay in the
MCA area. He explained that MCA purchased the property about 20 years ago
as a mining property and always had the intent to mine the property. There is no
evidence that RP 112 was ever released from the property and there is no
evidence that the vesting right to mine was ever abandonded. He also stated
that MCA understands that they have to present a reclamation plan that is
acceptable to all agencies and they feel they have done that. There was
documentation and evidence at that time the County of Riverside recognized and
noted that the vesting right to mine was never an issue and there was never any
evidence that they gave it up. He reiterated that the vesting mining rights run
with the land.
Pauline Tehrani stated that she has a copy of a document from the County of
Riverside who was the lead agency for RP 112 when it was vested in 1976. She
stated that the document is dated April 1995, which states that Pacific Clay gave
up their vested rights for RP 112 because they wanted to put a kiln on the site.
Vice Chairperson O'Neal requested copies of this document be provided to the
Commission. Ms. Tehran! stated that she would forward a copy of the document
to the City. Chairperson Jordan asked Ms. Tehrani with what mechanism did
they give up their vesting right. Ms. Tehrani stated that they gave up their
vesting rights by putting in a kiln. Commissioner Morsch asked if there is specific
language in the document that states that they gave up their vesting rights. Ms.
Tehrani read a statement from the document to the Commission regarding the
kiln and requested that the Commission postpone the item until they can speak
to the County of Riverside regarding the issue.
Mr. Good addressed the Commission regarding the kiln and stated that it has
nothing to do with MCA's property. Commissioner O'Neal confirmed with Mr.
Good that his contention is that the reclamation portion is important and not the
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surface mining. Mr. Good stated this was correct. Chairperson Jordan asked for
clarification regarding a recorded document to relinquish vested rights. City
Attorney Leibold stated that the abandonment of the intent to mine does not
necessarily have to manifest itself in a recorded document but there has to be a
clear intent to abandon. She also stated that the SMP property and the kiln are
not located on the MCA property. She also noted that RP 112 was processed in
1978 in response to SMARA requirements that established mining operations
prepare reclamation plans.
Commissioner Blake stated that he had concerns regarding noise levels, dust
control, drainage and clean water run off. He also wanted to make sure that any
staff in the future would be educated regarding requirement guidelines for mining
and reclamation. He also stated he doesn't want the area to become a dump
site. City Attorney Leibold addressed his concerns by referencing the proposed
conditions of approval and stated that based on the records the City has
reviewed, the materials that Mr. Good has presented, and the City's discussion
in 2007 with the County, there was an acknowledgment of a vested right to mine
for the site. Public Works Director Seumalo addressed Commissioner Blake's
issues regarding drainage and the clean water run off program.
Vice Chairperson O'Neal asked Director Seumalo if he or Planning Consultant
Coury have visited the site recently. Director Seumalo stated that he was there
in late December 2011. Planning Consultant Coury stated that he was at the site
in September 2011.
Commissioner Gonzales asked where the clay would be processed. Martin
Derus, Lilburn Corporation, stated that it is crushed and dried on the site.
Commissioner Gonzales stated that he researched vested rights on the Internet
but wasn't sure about the non-conforming use. City Attorney Leibold explained
non conforming use to the Commission. Commissioner Morsch stated that he
didn't think that putting in a kiln automatically triggers a relinquishment of vesting
right. He also asked Director Seumalo how often the inspections would be done
as part of the reclamation plan and if the City gets reimbursed from the operator
for the cost of the inspections. Director Seumalo stated that the City does at
least one inspection per year and indicated that staff also does at least two
informal on-site inspections per year. He stated that per SMARA and the City
Ordinance, the mining operators are required to pay a deposit for staff and
consultant time.
Commissioner Morsch asked Mr. Derus if the applicant is going to extend a water
line to the water tanks so that they can fill the water trucks or are the water trucks
going to be filled where the water line ends at the site. Mr. Daris stated that they
would be filled where the water line is currently located and fill a portable tank on
site. Commissioner Morsch asked Mr. Derus to explain how the water will be
drained on Pad 3 and how they are protecting the open areas. Mr. Derus
described the location of the drainage and stated that there is an erosion plan in
the reclamation plan which describes how they would utilize different types of
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erosion control measures depending on the situation. Commissioner Gonzales
stated that the road into the project area is dirt and asked if they intend on paving
the road. Mr. Derus stated that the road is paved up to the property and they are
required to pave 100 feet into the property.
Commissioner Morsch stated that he was impressed with the Reclamation Plan
and indicated that most of his issues have been addressed but he had a few
concerns. He also stated that staff did an excellent job. He asked that a
Geotechnical Report be part of the Reclamation Plan, he also had mitigation
issues regarding endangered species. Planning Manager Morelion asked Mr.
Derus to address his concerns. Mr. Derus explained the mitigation measures.
Commissioner Morsch verified with Mr. Derus that there are standard mitigation
measures that are in place that they would follow if they discovered endangered
species on the site prior to their mining operation. Mr. Derus stated that
consultation goes through Fish and Wildlife and Fish and Game. Vice Chairman
O'Neal asked if this has been done. Mr. Derris stated that they have not.
Vice Chairperson O'Neal asked Mr. Derus if the corporation has a 404 or 1601
permit. Mr. Derus stated no. Vice Chairperson O'Neal asked why they are
grading without permits and stated that the Planning Commission needs all of the
evidence on record to make a non-reversible judgment to dispel any notion of
making decisions on insufficient evidence. He further stated that when this item
was presented to the Commission in October, 2011, they specifically asked for
biological studies which were not included in the Agenda packets, and noted that
only the deferral of mitigation was included. He stated that he believes that there
are endangered species and plants in the area which haven't been identified and
in order to do any mitigation, they have to be identified.
Chairperson Jordan stated that it is her understanding that what is before the
Commission is a reclamation plan, not their mining activities. City Attorney
Leibold stated that the first decision the Commission needs to make is confirming
the area of land owned by MCA has a vested right to mine and if they have a
vested right to mine then they need to make a determination regarding approval
of the reclamation plan.
Chairperson Jordan stated that the biological report findings, the traffic analysis,
and the reclamation plan are sufficient and she doesn't have any issues with the
mining. She requested clarification regarding the two sets of conditions in the
staff report. Commissioner Blake clarified that the first set of conditions are for
the mining operation and the second set are for the reclamation plan.
Commissioner Morsch requested to change the wording on Condition No. 70 to
read "a slope stability report shall be submitted in the annual report to the City
Engineer" and to include "both surficial and geological characteristics".
Motion by Commissioner Morsch, seconded by Commissioner Blake to approve
Resolution No. 2012-02; A Resolution of the Planning Commission of the City of
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Lake Elsinore, California, approving Mitigated Negative Declaration No. 2008-08;
Motion passed 4-1.
Motion by Commissioner Morsch, seconded by Chairperson Jordan to approve
Resolution No. 2012-03; A Resolution of the Planning Commission of the City of
Lake Elsinore, California, adopting findings that the project identified as
Reclamation Plan No. 2008-01 is exempt from the Multi-Species Habitat
Conservation Plan (MSHCP); Motion passed 4-1.
Motion by Chairperson Jordan, seconded by Commissioner Morsch to approve
Resolution No. 2012-04; A Resolution of the Planning Commission of the City of
Lake Elsinore, California, confirming a vested mining right and approving
Reclamation Plan No. 2008-01 with the modification to Condition No. 70 as
mentioned; Motion passed 4-1.
BUSINESS ITEMS
3) Uniform Sign Program Amendment No. 2011-01 - Amendment No. 2 to
the originally approved Uniform Sign Program (USP 2007-10) for the
existing Plaza at Lakeview Professional Office and Medical Complex
located at 31569 & 31571 Canyon Estates Drive
Recommendation:
It is recommended that the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No.
2012-_ approving Uniform Sign Program Amendment No. 2011-01,
based on the findings, exhibits, and proposed conditions of approval.
Planning Associate Resendiz presented the Staff Report
The applicant, Derek Hauser addressed the Commission
The Commission had no comments.
PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS
Commissioner Morsch suggested that the City scan Specific Plans on line.
Planning Associate Resendiz stated that staff is currently working on scanning all
projects on line, in addition to Specific Plans.
Commissioner Morsch applauded staff for the good job at the State Board Mining
meeting.
STAFF COMMENTS
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Planning Manager Morelion indicated to Vice Chairperson O'Neal that he would
follow up with Information Technology Supervisor Soto regarding status of iPads.
He also stated that during the retrofit at the Cultural Center, the Planning
Commission meetings would be moved to the Senior Activities Center located at
420 E. Lakeshore Drive, and the Commission would be notified as to the dates.
CITY ATTORNEY'S COMMENTS
None.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the Planning Commission,
Chairperson Jordan adjourned the meeting at 7:24 p.m. The next regular
meeting of the Planning Commission of the City of Lake Elsinore will be held on
Tuesday, February 7, 2012, at 6:00 p.m. at the Cultural Center located at
183 N. Main Street, Lake Elsinore, California.
Shelly Jordan
Chairperson
ttest:
Warren Morelion, AICP
Planning Manager