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CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING
MINUTES OF OCTOBER 18, 2011
CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Jordan called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Morsch led the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chairperson Jordan
Vice Chairperson O'Neal
Commissioner Gonzales
Commissioner Morsch
Absent: None
Also present: City Manager Brady, Planning Manager Morelion, Public Works
Director Seumalo, City Attorney Leibold, Planning Consultant Coury, Office
Specialist Herrington.
PUBLIC COMMENTS — NON AGENDIZED ITEMS — 3 MINUTES
Brian Dahl addressed the Planning Commissioners regarding conversations he
had with Planning Manager Morelion and his concerns about the General Plan as
it relates to the implementation of zoning on his property located at 17037
Lakeshore Drive. Planning Manager Morelion, City Attorney Leibold, and the
Commission addressed his questions and concerns regarding his property.
Chairperson Jordan asked what the schedule is for the adoption of the General
Plan. Planning Manager Morelion stated that they are hoping that it will be
completed by the end of the year. Mr. Dahl asked to be contacted once they
have an answer.
CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM(S)
1. Approval of Planning Commission Minutes
Recommendation: Approve the following Minute(s):
• September 20, 2011
• October 4, 2011
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Motion by Commissioner Morsch, seconded by Vice Chairperson O'Neal, to
approve the Planning Commission Minutes of September 20, 2011, and October
4, 2011; Motion passed by 4 -0 vote.
PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS)
1. Reclamation Plan No. 2008 -01 — Reclamation Plan for an 85.76 acre
mining (Alberhill Southwest Shale Mine), generally located along the east
side of the 1 -15 Freeway between Nichols Road and Lake Street.
Reclamation will include but is not limited to restoration and re- vegetation
of any disturbed land associated with the project site.
Recommendation:
It is recommended that the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No.
2011 - approving Mitigated Negative Declaration No. 2008 -08; adopt
Resolution No. 2011 - approving MSHCP Consistency, and adopt
Resolution No. 2011- confirming the vested mining right and
approving Reclamation Plan No. 2008 -01.
Planning Consultant Coury presented the staff report and distributed to the
Planning Commissioners a signed "Acknowledgment of Draft Conditions" form.
He noted that changes were made to Condition No. 11 regarding hours of
operation, and also changes to Condition No. 30 regarding haul route. Planning
Consultant Coury also distributed to the Commission a mitigation measures
document.
The applicant, Yoshi Suzuki of Maruhachi Ceramics of American (MCA), Inc.
addressed the Commission.
Jim Good, Attorney for MCA, addressed the Commission regarding vested rights
and the Reclamation Plan. He noted that the project is well conditioned and well
mitigated. He requested approval of the project.
Sharon Galina, resident of Alberhill Ranch, asked about vesting rights and
inquired who will be mitigating the environmental impact. City Attorney Leibold
explained vesting rights and the environmental impact.
Paulie Tehrani, resident of Alberhill Ranch, stated that the project has been
brought to the State's attention and indicated that they are looking into it. Ms.
Tehrani discussed a number of environmental issues relating to the vesting rights
and requested that these issues be addressed. City Attorney Leibold stated that
the Department of Mining and Reclamation have reviewed the reclamation plan
twice and their comments have been incorporated; she further asked that City
staff and the mining operator are working closely with the State, and Office of
Mine Reclamation has reviewed the plan and has no problems at this point. She
also stated that the vesting mining right runs with the land, not with the
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reclamation plan so there has been no interruption with the vesting rights. Mr.
Good stated that the reclamation plan doesn't technically have anything to do
with the actual state of vesting of the mine.
Vice Chairperson O'Neal stated that he is not in favor of the project because it is
not properly mitigated. He stated that the biology report was done in 2007, and a
more recent report needs to be done. In addition stated that he had a letter from
Dr. Jack Turner who did the biology report which indicated that biological surveys
are generally given a one year shelf life. He also stated that MCA surveys are
four or more years out of date and cannot represent the current biological site
conditions. Additionally, Vice Chairperson O'Neal stated that no geological
reports were included with staff's presentation, and no information has been
received by the Army Corp of Engineers.
Chairperson Jordan asked if there are any requirements regarding updating
biology reports. She noted that four years old does seem outdated. City
Attorney Leibold stated that CEQA doesn't establish a hard fast rule for the life of
a biological study, it depends on the circumstances. She informed the
Commission that it is a determination they have to make.
Martin Derus, Lilburn Corporation (Environmental Consultant for MCA) stated
that he prepared the Mine Reclamation Plan and assisted with preparation of the
Mitigated Negative Declaration. He stated that the conditions of approval
address the issues that Vice Chairperson O'Neal mentioned and he discussed
those conditions. He explained that the mining operation is a clay operation and
explained the process of the operation.
Chairperson Jordan asked about on -site drainage. Mr. Derus stated that there
are four on -site drainages.
Commissioner Morsch asked how the clay would be excavated and exported.
Mr. Derus explained the process. Commissioner Morsch stated that the Biology
Report and Traffic Study are outdated and need to be updated and noted the
2006 fires affected the vegetation in the area. Commissioner Morsch asked
Director of Public Works Seumalo to check into the haul route as stated in
Condition No. 30. Director Seumalo stated that he would review the Ordinance
and follow up with Commissioner Morsch.
Commissioner Morsch stated that Condition No. 64G and 76 have the same
verbiage and requested that those Conditions be revised. He also noted that
there is a conflict between the verbiage on page 7 of the Mitigated Negative
Declaration and Condition No. 61. Director Seumalo stated that he would amend
the conditions. Commissioner Morsch asked Director Seumalo to explain how
the numbers were derived on the Financial Assurance. Director Seumalo stated
the cost estimate is based on the proposed use for mining to the proposed
reclamation final elevation conditions of today's prices. Vice Chairperson O'Neal
stated that this cost seemed low. Commissioner Morsch suggested a
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continuance until the applicant can provide updated environmental information to
the Commission. Mr. Good explained the cash bond under SMARA.
Commissioner Gonzales also suggested a continuance for the applicant to
provide an updated traffic study and other updated environmental information.
Chairperson Jordan asked if the broadcast seeding will be hand thrown or done
by a machine, and if it is by a machine, is it included in the financial analysis.
Director Seumalo stated that hydro seed will be used and is included in the
financial analysis. Chairperson Jordan stated that APN numbers 014 and 019
were included in the Resolution and do not belong on that particular Resolution.
Planning Consultant Coury stated that the Resolution would be revised to
exclude those APNs. Chairperson Jordan stated that the Biology Report and the
Traffic Report need to be revised to reflect today's conditions.
Mr. Good stated that the report is old because it took a long time for the project to
go to the Planning Commission.
Vice Chairman O'Neal stated that the Reclamation Plan and the Negative
Declaration are dated 2010 and asked if the reports were submitted to the City in
2007. Planning Consultant Coury stated that May 2010 represents the final
document which includes the review and comments.
Commissioner Mendoza stated that if the report is going to be amended by the
applicant, there should be a clear distinction between a percentage of machine
shakers for the actual mining operation and the reclamation emissions. He also
stated that the reclamation plan should be reviewed with the Climate Action Plan
and General Plan.
Mr. Good stated that this is not an application for a mining permit and legally, the
mining is not technically up for review. Commissioner Morsch is requesting
clarification of the reclamation process, emissions, traffic impact, and the
financial assurance relating to the reclamation plan.
Motion was made by Vice Chairperson O'Neal, seconded by Commissioner
Morsch, to continue Reclamation Plan No. 2008 -01, until such time the applicant
1) updates the biology report, traffic study, and provides a geotechnical report;
2) clarifies within the report specific issues that deal with the reclamation plan;
and, 3) provides a description of the mining operations; Motion passed 4 -0.
City Attorney Leibold stated that staff will re- notice a new hearing at such time as
the updated environmental work is complete.
BUSINESS ITEMS
None.
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STAFF COMMENTS
Planning Manager Morelion stated that staff looked into the "What -Ah- Deli"
signage per Vice Chairperson O'Neal's request and staff is working with the
property owner to remove the temporary signs and post permanent signs.
PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS
Commissioner Gonzales asked about non - permitted signs that are nailed to trees
on Main Street. Planning Manager Morelion stated that staff will look into this
and will follow up with him.
Commissioner Morsch stated that he is a member of the Citizen's Corp and
attended the Shakeout Expo for Disaster Preparedness located at Lakepoint
Park and said it was very informative and there was a good turnout.
Vice Chairperson O'Neal stated that he spoke to City Manager Brady and
Planning Manager Morelion about the Planning Commissioners going to I Pads
and having paperless agendas and appreciated their consideration. He noted
that if funding is a problem, he offered to pay for his own I Pad.
CITY ATTORNEY'S COMMENTS
None.
STAFF COMMENTS
None.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the Planning Commission,
Chairperson Jordan adjourned the meeting at 7:32 p.m. The next regular
Planning Commission meeting of Tuesday, November 2, 2011, will be cancelled,
due to the lack of Public Hearing items.
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Chair Shelly Jordad��
Attest:
Warren Morelion
Planning Manager