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CITY OF LAKE ELSINORE
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MINUTES
JULY 20, 2010
CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Gonzales called the regular meeting of the Lake Elsinore Planning
Commission Refresher Course/Study Session on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 to
order at 6:00 p.m. in the Cultural Center, located at 183 N. Main Street, Lake
Elsinore, CA 92530.
PRESENT: Chairman Gonzales, Vice-Chairman Mendoza, Commissioner
Jordan, Commissioner Morsch, Commissioner O'Neal
ABSENT: None
Also present: City Manager Brady, City Attorney Leibold
Staff members present included: Office Specialist Porche', Redevelopment
Agency Analyst Carlson.
CALL TO ORDER (6:00 p.m.)
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Vice-Chairman Mendoza
ROLL CALL
Present: Chairman Gonzales
Vice-Chairman Mendoza
Commissioner Jordan
Commissioner Morsch
Commissioner O'Neal
PUBLIC COMMENTS - NON AGENDIZED ITEMS - 3 MINUTES
None.
CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM(S)
(1) Minutes for the Following Planning Commission Meeting(s)
0 May 4, 2010
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Regular Meeting Minutes of July 20, 2010
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MOTION was made by Commissioner O'Neal and seconded by
Chairman Gonzales to approve the May 4, 2010, Planning
Commission minutes.
AYES: Gonzales, Mendoza, Morsch, O'Neal
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: Jordan
BUSINESS ITEM(S)
(2) Planning Commission Orientation
City Attorney Leibold indicated that she would be presenting to the new
Commissioners an overview in PowerPoint of the Ralph M. Brown Act
(Open Meetings Law), Political Reform Act, and selected City Council
Policies including applicable laws, regulations and policies governing
public officials. She stated that the presentation also served as a
.'refresher course" for the existing Commissioners.
Vice-Chairman Mendoza indicated that he knows that City Manager is
very busy now that there is no Community Development Director and
asked who the Commissioner's should address their questions or
concerns to, if he is not available.
City Manager Brady indicated that if the Commissioners have any
questions or concerns to contact him and if he is not available, to contact
Senior Planner Harris.
Commissioner O'Neal indicated that the Commission is not governed by
"Roberts Rules of Orders" and asked City Attorney Leibold to explain the
difference between the information in the orientation and "Robert's Rules"
to the new Commissioners as well as the rest of the Commission
members.
City Attorney Leibold stated that the handbook that Commissioner O'Neal
is referring to is the Standard Code of Parliamentary Procedure Fourth
Edition, revised by the Institute of Parliamentarians and shall govern the
conduct of City meetings. She indicated that a copy is available in the City
Clerk's office and will be distributed to the Commission.
Ms. Leibold reviewed the following items of the PowerPoint presentation
regarding the Brown Act, selected City Council Policies, and the Political
Reform Act.
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One item on the presentation that Ms. Leibold reviewed which
Commissioner Morsch had a question related to public comments. She
indicated that the law requires that the Commission allow the public to
comment on any item on the Agenda before they take an action and in
some jurisdictions they have the opportunity for public comment before the
meeting but regarding agenized items, the City Council and the Planning
Commission both allow public comments when that item comes up on the
Agenda and before they deliberate. In some cities, they don't allow
members of the public to comment on each agenda item at the time it
comes up during the meeting, all of the comments have to take place at
the beginning of the meeting but the City of Lake Elsinore believes that it
is more appropriate to allow the public to speak when the item comes up,
therefore, it is fresh in everyone's mind.
Commissioner Morsch stated that one of the issues that he has when
going to the City Council meetings is that when a Public Hearing item
comes up for discussion, the public is invited to come up to the podium,
speak, and then sit in the audience and the Public Hearing is then closed.
The project is then discussed at the dais. Commissioner Morsch felt that
sometimes new information is discussed and that person has lost their
opportunity for a rebuttal and even at the end of the hearing, there is only
allowance for a non-agenized item. Therefore, his question is if a person
wants to rebut a new issue that is brought up and the Public Hearing is
closed, how is this to be accommodated.
Ms. Leibold indicated that legally, the Commission is not required to
accommodate this but it is within the discretion of the Chairman, or in the
case of the City Council, (the Mayor), to allow additional public comment.
There was discussion by the Commission regarding the amount of time
that the public has to speak. Ms. Leibold noted that the Brown Act does
recognize that it is appropriate for the City to limit the time period for public
comments and that is why there is a three (3) minute limit on an Agenda
item.
Ms. Leibold reviewed City Council Policies and addressed City Council
Meetings, Rules, and Procedures.
Commissioner O'Neal asked for clarification of this Policy.
Ms. Leibold indicated that all meetings and all votes are open and stated
that the exception to the requirement for open meetings are authorized
closed sessions which are specifically listed in the Brown Act and include
existing or threatened litigation, personnel or labor negotiations, and real
property negotiations.
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Commissioner O'Neal asked who he would speak to if he was dissatisfied
with the Deputy City Attorney or the City Attorney's performance during
the Planning Commission meetings.
Ms. Leibold indicated that if the Commission as a body were dissatisfied
with the Deputy City Attorney or the City Attorney's performance they
would direct their dissatisfaction to the City Council. The City Council
employs the City Manager, the City Clerk, and the City Attorney and
Council would make that determination.
Ms. Leibold reviewed Policy No. 200-3/Conflicts of Interest and indicated
that the Planning Commissioners are required to comply with the Political
Reform Act and there are two (2) components to this Policy which are
Disclosure and Disqualification.
Commissioner Jordan indicated that she used to work for a Development
Company who she no longer works for and requested clarification
regarding the Code of Ethics, and Conflict of Interest related to this.
Ms. Leibold indicated that the Political Reform Act states that Planning
Commissioners/City Council members are prohibited from participating in
any decision in which there is a conflict of interest.
There was lengthy discussion between the Commissioners and Ms.
Leibold regarding various scenarios regarding conflict of interest and
procedure to take.
Ms. Leibold reviewed the PowerPoint document regarding qualifications
for Commission appointments.
Vice-Chairman Mendoza asked if it should be general practice that all
applicants are asked the same questions or can certain questions be
modified for certain applicants for the appointments.
Ms. Leibold indicated that the City does not address this in their policy but
stated that it is up to the subcommittee of the City Council selected by the
majority to screen and interview the applicants.
Ms. Leibold reviewed Disclosure under the Political Reform Act which
requires State and Local Officials to file Statements of Economic Interests
and reviewed examples of disclosure.
There were some questions that the Commissioners had regarding
Economic Interests. Ms Leibold reviewed Economic Interests which
included economic interests in business entities, real property, sources of
income, sources of gifts, and personal financial effects rule.
Commissioner Morsch asked Ms. Leibold if it was a conflict of interest that
he is currently serving on the Citizen's Corp. as a volunteer.,
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Ms. Leibold indicated that there is no conflict of interest because this is
voluntary and there is no compensation involved.
Commissioner Morsch asked Ms. Leibold if the City protects a Planning
Commission member if they are being sued for construed misconduct or
corruption.
Ms. Leibold indicated that the City does protect a Commission member if
they are acting in their official capacity but if they are acting beyond the
bounds of their official duties then the City does not protect them.
Commissioner Morsch asked if there are limitations that the City has
regarding Public Records Request.
Ms. Leibold indicated that anyone is legally entitled to access public
records and the City is legally obligated to make those available. If the
person requesting the record would like a copy of the record then the City
is obligated to charge .25 cents per page. She also indicated that even
though the City is obligated to accommodate the request, this request has
to be limited to specific times during business hours as not to as not to
interfere with conducting City business.
Commissioner Morsch asked Ms. Leibold if a-mails are public record.
Ms. Leibold indicated that a-mails are public record but there are some
exceptions such as overbroad requests and the person requesting the e-
mail has to be specific regarding the request. She also indicated that
some a-mails are not public record, such as Attorney/Client privileged
communications, a-mails at the City Council level that are constituted as
the 'Deliberate Process', etc., and the public cannot charge for staff time.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the Planning Commission,
Chairman Gonzales adjourned the meeting at 8:25 p.m.
The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission of the City of Lake
Elsinore is scheduled for Tuesday, August 3, 2010, at 6:00 p.m. in the Cultural
Center located at 183 N. Main Street, Lake Elsino7 C92530.
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Respectfully Submitted,
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Kristine Herrington
Office Specialist
Attest:
%(bbert A. Brady
ity Manager